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I like the design and spec of Adam but I would also need proper usability from it. By proper I mean word, excel, usb to Com cables in general Windows 7.
Would it be possible to install Windows 7 on the device and how hard would it be?
I have not see the device in action so does anyone know does it have PC style bios or more like bootloader on smartphones?
TheDeadCpu said:
That would be hard. Not impossible.
The thing is I doubt anyone will actually waste hundreds of hours to get a worse operating system running.
(I say it's worse because it's not tablet optimized)
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Not worse, just heavier because more usable as PC. For me Android is the worse one as yo have no proper apps that make it usable as PC.
As said if I could get ubuntu to run with office on it I would not think about windows 7 but I can not even do that.
Andoid main problem is the same as one on apple ipad it is a OS for phones.
Adam started out as a dual boot Linux/ Android tablet.
Have not heard anything re Linux boot for a while though.
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I seen on forum for ink that they have image for ubuntu but still no office on it.
Grr I always loved tablet idea TBH even when they were called slates.
Until late I had my HP TC1100 and was very happy but it is lucking now in performance for win7 and office 2010. Also it is so "used" now that paint is coming off.
Oh well will have to wait for a win7 dedicated tablet.
The operating system has to be ARM based meaning Windows 7 will never work (at least properly).
smedley.jason said:
The operating system has to be ARM based meaning Windows 7 will never work (at least properly).
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Well since they patented Windows 7 core to work with Arm in December one would hope that will be overcome. Apparently there will be al ighter version of Win7 for ARM based systems. Hmm we will see but fro now HP Slate 500 is the best bet.
Ubuntu for arm, meego and basicaly any linux distribution that has an arm port could end up on the adam. If you prefer a more desktop like UI plain ubuntu could work, use openoffice.
Most applications written for linux are easily ported to other CPU architectures.
tdh_andy said:
Ubuntu for arm, meego and basicaly any linux distribution that has an arm port could end up on the adam. If you prefer a more desktop like UI plain ubuntu could work, use openoffice.
Most applications written for linux are easily ported to other CPU architectures.
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Well if I wanted to use open office I wuld not ask for windows 7 would just go to ubuntu directly. Openoffice suck badly no matter what people say, if you do tons of docs, formatting and scripting in excel you need proper, real office.
Anything else I could deal with on linux just not lack of that.
I know this thread is old, but with Windows 8 (shall work on ARM) on sight, is there any chance to run that on the adam?
I'm asking cuz i'm looking for a tablet that is a) readable in straight sunlight and b) offers at least part-time Windows-capabilities.
Schattenspieler said:
I know this thread is old, but with Windows 8 (shall work on ARM) on sight, is there any chance to run that on the adam?
I'm asking cuz i'm looking for a tablet that is a) readable in straight sunlight and b) offers at least part-time Windows-capabilities.
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Only time will tell for sure. Right now we can't figure that out as there is no ARM version available. Once they make one I'm sure that people will start trying.
First, I know it's a little early for this, since Win8 isn't even in beta yet.
However, I just got a Kindle Fire, and would absolutely love a Win8 port when and if it becomes possible. So I had a few questions for devs that might take up this project.
Is anyone already planning on giving this a shot?
Would this have any legality issues, since Win8 will in all likely hood require a product key, even on the ARM version?
Is it even theoretically possible, since the Kindle Fire normally runs Android?
short answer: no
long answer: the Fire runs on an ARM CPU, while Windows 8 that has been released is 100% x86. Unless Windows 8 for ARM is released to the public - which is looking increasingly unlikely - then there's absolutely no hope. Even if it is, Only the hypothetical beta would be free of charge, and would expire fairly quickly. You would not be able to run any existing x86 programs on W8ARM, and there are rumors (with some evidence) of hardware compatibility that would prohibit it being put on any existing devices. So, even if it could be hypothetically possible, its not worth the effort. and what would you, as a consumer, get out of it, other than a UI you think is cool?
mtmerrick said:
short answer: no
long answer: the Fire runs on an ARM CPU, while Windows 8 that has been released is 100% x86. Unless Windows 8 for ARM is released to the public - which is looking increasingly unlikely - then there's absolutely no hope. Even if it is, Only the hypothetical beta would be free of charge, and would expire fairly quickly. You would not be able to run any existing x86 programs on W8ARM, and there are rumors (with some evidence) of hardware compatibility that would prohibit it being put on any existing devices. So, even if it could be hypothetically possible, its not worth the effort. and what would you, as a consumer, get out of it, other than a UI you think is cool?
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The ability to run amd64 apps.
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wtf is an AMD64app?
if you mean an x64 app, then um, no, you couldn't. x86 (x64 one name for 64 bit x86 processors) apps require an x86 processor. the kindle fire has an ARM processor. not even close to compatible, with one exception - most new metro apps will be cross compatible between windows 8 x86 and windows 8 ARM (and windows phone 8, if they decide to make it different form Window 8 ARM after all)
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wtf is an AMD64app?
if you mean an x64 app, then um, no, you couldn't. x86 (x64 one name for 64 bit x86 processors) apps require an x86 processor. the kindle fire has an ARM processor. not even close to compatible, with one exception - most new metro apps will be cross compatible between windows 8 x86 and windows 8 ARM (and windows phone 8, if they decide to make it different form Window 8 ARM after all)
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You=noob
A 64 bit processor can run in either amd64 or intel64. Microsoft claim that windows 8 will be one big system. They also say that they can get arm to run with amd64 (and intel64) apps fine but they are accused of being unable to do so with i386. I watched the video released by Microsoft about it. All 2 hours....
If you don't know something don't pretend you know about it before posting.
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really, huh. Everything I've heard puts down the rumor that 32 bit arm chips, which don't even approach the power of an i3 (and 64 bit arm chips don't exist yet) will be able to run the high end emulation needed to make an x86 apps (expecially cpu intensive 64 bit apps like most of us use on windows) work..... but that's just what I know, off all the research I've done.
If windows has managed to do the impossible, well, that's great. No sarcasm, that's awesome. But I've read press releases saying it can't be done, straight from Microsoft.
And I'm no noob - been here far longer than you, and been a tech junkie for years.
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really, huh. Everything I've heard puts down the rumor that 32 bit arm chips, which don't even approach the power of an i3 (and 64 bit arm chips don't exist yet) will be able to run the high end emulation needed to make an x86 apps (expecially cpu intensive 64 bit apps like most of us use on windows) work..... but that's just what I know, off all the research I've done.
If windows has managed to do the impossible, well, that's great. No sarcasm, that's awesome. But I've read press releases saying it can't be done, straight from Microsoft.
And I'm no noob - been here far longer than you, and been a tech junkie for years.
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Go on wikipedia and search windows 8. Go to the compatibility section and read. Then I want an apology for being a [email protected]
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Wikipedia said:
Windows 8 for ARM processors will not run software created for x86; software will have to be ported by its developers to create ARM executables from source code. [56][57]
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You self righteous troll.
mtmerrick said:
You self righteous troll.
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I'm sorry if I offended you but it's just my opinion fact.
And I'm sorry if your wrong. It wasn't my fault.
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um, you proved yourself wrong - i was right, as i thought. You are acting self righteous, and your behavior is best described as trollish. And im not insulted -I'm laughing at your ignorance. In case you can't see quotes or something weird like that, lemme re-copypaste from Wikipedia
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Windows 8 for ARM processors will not run software created for x86; software will have to be ported by its developers to create ARM executables from source code. [56][57]
benjamingwynn said:
I'm sorry if I offended you but it's just my opinion fact.
And I'm sorry if your wrong. It wasn't my fault.
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1) You are an idiot, your attitude and language is discusting, i'm ashamed for you, and feel sorry for you family being related to such a duscusting little man.
2) There is no such thing as "Intel64", "AMD64" is just another name for x64 CPU's, this is because it was AMD that invented the 64bit insruction, even Intel chips use AMD's technology.
3) You have no right to be here if you are so retarded that you think an ARM CPU is compatible with either x86 or x64 based software.
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wtf with the flameing people? no need to be argueing like morons to each like that. look there will be a version of windows that will work on ARM and the op is asking when that version will be released and portable to the fire. Got it????
AndroHero said:
1) You are an idiot, your attitude and language is discusting, i'm ashamed for you, and feel sorry for you family being related to such a duscusting little man.
2) There is no such thing as "Intel64", "AMD64" is just another name for x64 CPU's, this is because it was AMD that invented the 64bit insruction, even Intel chips use AMD's technology.
3) You have no right to be here if you are so retarded that you think an ARM CPU is compatible with either x86 or x64 based software.
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Sorry for getting you involved.....
Anyway. Back to ideas on porting. It would be difficult as the Kindle Fire is Android based and running on a EXT3/4 filesystem. You would also need a different bootloader - this all involves a lot of work.
i think we should be trying to focus on the hp touchpad and the kindle fire, also the nook tablet to try to port win 8 to them once the ARM verson is released.
benjamingwynn said:
Sorry for getting you involved.....
Anyway. Back to ideas on porting. It would be difficult as the Kindle Fire is Android based and running on a EXT3/4 filesystem. You would also need a different bootloader - this all involves a lot of work.
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Have you not listened to a single word in this thread? You can not port x86 Windows 8 to an ARM processor and expect x86 apps to run.
IF (and that's a big if) windows 8 ARM is released to the public, be it as a prerelase version or as a purchasable version, it'll be quite difficult to get it working on prexisting devices.
As i said before, there are roadblocks involved that may prohibit installing it at all. A W8 arm compatible 'BIOS' will be very difficult if not impossible to get working. It will be closed source, and quite possibly we will not be allowed to have it at all. Drivers will have to be rewritten, and windows 8 may still not be compatible with these drivers. plain old android (or whatever other ARM system) drivers will not work. There is also talk of Microsoft coding the OS as to not function with non-authorized hardware components (eg, will not work with some screens, cpus, ect) though i do not know how true this is.
Even if ARM is released to the public, and not available to OEMs only, don't expect to be able to do much to it - microsoft does not look kindly towards the modding community, and will be taking steps to hinder any changes we may need to make to the OS to get it to run.
The answer is, its unlikely at best.
mtmerrick said:
IF (and that's a big if) windows 8 ARM is released to the public, be it as a prerelase version or as a purchasable version, it'll be quite difficult to get it working on prexisting devices.
As i said before, there are roadblocks involved that may prohibit installing it at all. A W8 arm compatible 'BIOS' will be very difficult if not impossible to get working. It will be closed source, and quite possibly we will not be allowed to have it at all. Drivers will have to be rewritten, and windows 8 may still not be compatible with these drivers. plain old android (or whatever other ARM system) drivers will not work. There is also talk of Microsoft coding the OS as to not function with non-authorized hardware components (eg, will not work with some screens, cpus, ect) though i do not know how true this is.
Even if ARM is released to the public, and not available to OEMs only, don't expect to be able to do much to it - microsoft does not look kindly towards the modding community, and will be taking steps to hinder any changes we may need to make to the OS to get it to run.
The answer is, its unlikely at best.
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It will be released to buy. It's not open-source, because of this it is unlikely... but possible
benjamingwynn said:
It will be released to buy. It's not open-source, because of this it is unlikely... but possible
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If you dont have the source code then best wishes to you coding drivers for ARM windows 8.
johnston9234 said:
If you dont have the source code then best wishes to you coding drivers for ARM windows 8.
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I don't need to. I'm not doing it. I came here to help and most of you threw that back in my face. I'm not here to flame.
I thought I could share my experiences with Windows since 95 and help you find hope for your kindle. If you don't want it then it's your loss. I don't have a kindle fire but I thought I should try to help you out anyway.
I can't help you with your problems unless you let me. I CAN code in a variety of different languages including C+ +, meaning I could easily pick up a arm driver for a sister device and port it.
Thanks for letting me voice my opinion. If you didn't like it then go tell someone who gives two....
A few road blocks against w8 on the fire
1) Storage: Will it actually fit in 8gig? Hopefully the arm version will without all the old bloat
2) Drivers: you are not going to see any windows8 tablet comes out with the "old" OMAP4430, they are talking about windows 8 tablets being quad core with 2gig of ram or something?
3) Ram: 512meg of ram will make running w8, if you even can get it to run, painful
4) Closed source: porting binary only OS's is hard/near imposable without a comparable device with a native version (See HD2 having almost the same hardware as WP7 and android devices).
I wouldnt bet against a port, as this is XDA, but I would consider it highly improbable.
(Also theres legal issues, MS would come down like a hammer on anyone sharing a w8 rom!)
Before anyone says anything, no, this is not another topic asking the stupid, worn out question "can I haz w8 on my kindle fire/nook/transformer prime/galaxySII/ect"
At CES there are several android devices being shown off with x86 processors: Intel atom CPUs. Would it be possible, provided internal storage is big enough, to be able to run the full version of windows 8 on these pieces of hardware? I can't think of any reasons why not, and being able to run full versions of x86 windows off of a cell phone is just amazing. IMHO it'd be worth the price of a seat of windows 8, and dual booting with android ICS sounds incredible. So, is there anything I'm missing? Or would the hardware support it fairly easily? I can't think of any roadblocks, other than the annoyance of installing off of microSD.
I think this must be a new kind of Atom-CPUs that are built for the ARM-architecture on which Android runs? I red somewhere that they wanted to release that Kind of CPUs this year.
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No, they're definitely x86 chips.
If it has BIOS/EFI it will be done
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Before anyone says anything, no, this is not another topic asking the stupid, worn out question "can I haz w8 on my kindle fire/nook/transformer prime/galaxySII/ect"
At CES there are several android devices being shown off with x86 processors: Intel atom CPUs. Would it be possible, provided internal storage is big enough, to be able to run the full version of windows 8 on these pieces of hardware? I can't think of any reasons why not, and being able to run full versions of x86 windows off of a cell phone is just amazing. IMHO it'd be worth the price of a seat of windows 8, and dual booting with android ICS sounds incredible. So, is there anything I'm missing? Or would the hardware support it fairly easily? I can't think of any roadblocks, other than the annoyance of installing off of microSD.
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Why bother about it being on x86, windows 8 will run on ARM architecture too if I'm not mistaken
Because putting W8ARM on existing devices is probably impossible and quite likely to be illegal.
Not sure why it would be illegal. If you own a license of the OS, you should be able to run it on whatever you want - unless, like the Apple stuff there's some kind of EULA that states that you specifically can't. I seriously doubt MS would bother to screw with people who tried anyway.
The Developer Preview of W8 is x86/x64 only anyway. Hopefully the beta coming in February will Feb will have arm support. I'm hoping to get it working on a Galaxy Tab 10.1 but who knows?
One potential caveat. I've heard that the ARM version will only work with Metro apps. If that's the case, it will be far less useful. Forget running all that excellent software you already have and know an love.
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Microsoft (and the hardware manufacturers of current Android devices) don't want this to happen on ARM devices, because having an open bootloader and a myriad of Linux distributions would hurt their ecosystems. All ARM W8 tablets will come with locked bootloaders by specification, just like Android ones. Existing Android devices and others like the TouchPad will be very difficult to port this to because the bootloader security is different from current devices. But who wants ARM Windows 8 as the old apps and desktop don't work on it?
Regarding x86: If it's possible on the HTC Shift, it will sure be possible on Medfield (next-gen Atom for phones) devices, especially if the bootloader is open. If it's closed the scene will figure out how to unlock it and install Windows 7/W8/Ubuntu/etc. on it just like on a regular PC, which would mean having access to all legacy apps. Of course dual boot would also be possible.
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Not sure why it would be illegal. If you own a license of the OS, you should be able to run it on whatever you want - unless, like the Apple stuff there's some kind of EULA that states that you specifically can't. I seriously doubt MS would bother to screw with people who tried anyway.
The Developer Preview of W8 is x86/x64 only anyway. Hopefully the beta coming in February will Feb will have arm support. I'm hoping to get it working on a Galaxy Tab 10.1 but who knows?
One potential caveat. I've heard that the ARM version will only work with Metro apps. If that's the case, it will be far less useful. Forget running all that excellent software you already have and know an love.
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Since only OEMs will be able to buy W8 ARM liscences, and liscences are not device transferable, you will not be allowed to port it to a non-liscenced device, just like Windows Mobile or WP7.
And no, W8ARM will not be able to run x86 programs.
I think there's an excellent chance that private users will be able to get a copy of W8 for arm.
And whether or not x86 code will run in the arm version is definitely not settled.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/07/desktop-apps-may-run-on-win8-for-arm-after-all-maybe/
I read that article and laughed. Never once did they mention ARM - they were reffering to the 'classic desktop' UI, and they can't decide if W8ARM will be metro only, or have the (for ARM) near useless classic desktop.
Give up all hope that W8ARM will have an emulator built in. Its not going to happen, performance will be so terrible it would alienate customers. W8ARM will not be available to consumers for the same reason WP7 isn't - Microsoft would loose too much control and non-techie customers would be too confused.
Not sure but does this mean windows 8 on a Cisco Cius is possible cause it has an Intel atom processor?
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if it has an atom processor, it should be. as with anything cross-platform, drivers would be an issue, but that shouldn't be too hard to overcome.
That's pretty awesome
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yes right, i am agree with u
I personally hope intel medfield kills off any arm competitors in the windows 8 tablet business. I am not happy with how closed arm can be compared to x86.
The arm architecture is more open than x86. But indeed you can do more on x86 based hardware as there is more software available for it.
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As long as your x86 Android netbook can boot from USB storage and isn't locked into the OSes that it came with, I guess it could be possible as long as the amount of RAM and internal storage meet the minimum requirements.
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x86 instruction sets are one thing but drivers are a whole different ball game.
But in theory yes, Win 8 x86 could run on x86 android hardware, with several very large assumptions being made
as for ARM, I think we can forget x86 emulation, the overheads would cripple it. To be honest, I personally wouldn't have a use for an ARM tablet, an x86 tablet however would be very useful, so come on Intel, get your finger out and give us some affordable ultra low watt x86 SoCs, keep it cheap an OEMS will trip over them selves buying them, after all, backward compatibility means les overheads for companies and less hassle for users.
Maybe it will soon be possible to run android and windows nt nativly at the same time on the SGT!
how? - ReactOS:
http://www.reactos.org/ (if you are going to test it in a virtual machine dont' use the 0.3.14 version of os, use the trunk build version its much much much better)
ReactOS is an open source windows clone and most of the windows applications work on it ! (MS office, opera, ff, ...) the good news is there is an ARM port of ReactOS - Windows RT equivalent:
http://www.reactos.org/wiki/ARM_Port
ReactOS still has problems to work on real hardware because of many different components but on some PC it works very well (it can be targeted to SGT fix the bugs)
The ARM port is able to run on the SGT but there is still a lot of work to do.
Windows will soon release a Office ARM version for winRT and in order to run any windows application on the SGT a recompile is needed.
and about android there is already a port of android that runs native on windowsne emulation no virtual machine !!)
http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/13/...tm_medium=feed
If anyone has any coding skills it would be nice to try to port reactos to the SGT or just to donate to the project with the subject "arm port for SGT"
This runs pretty well even at alpha stage, I tested it in virtualbox in my laptop, and I'll test it on emulator in my SGT soon... they've planned to bring it up to windows 8... hope that everyone interested here will help the fundraising...
I posted this just to keep this thread up, so don't blame me for not saying anything useful...
I think(theory) that it will run very smoothly on SGT, because it only uses 6mb of graphic memory, I tested it with 256mb RAM and 500mb HDD, and it was better than my expectations!
I really recommend all to try it...:good:
While I applause the developers efforts and certainly see potential benefit..I wonder still if it not more practical to remote desktop as thin client using an app like splashtop for full windows desktop usability?
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Awesome
This is awesome! Great work!
This would be great.But, what I would really like,is to have all 3 OS on one tablet.
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This would be great.But, what I would really like,is to have all 3 OS on one tablet.
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Why you gotta get greedy 5 posts in?
I have 20 US Dollars for the first person that can port even an alpha of this, and an extra 15 USD to anyone who can fix up our Ubuntu port (everything needed to fix the kernel is available in Samsung's ICS kernel). There are just too many sweet things that we get close to but never actually get.
Has there even been any Android based device that has had ReactOS running on it ever?
It sounds like OP is just rambling nonsense and wishful thinking.
The ARM port is able to run on the SGT but there is still a lot of work to do.
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What is the basis for this statement? Has someone demonstrated any ReactOS code running on a Tegra 2? Is it simply because someone put up that ARM Port section of the wiki? The ARM CPUs represent a wide range of devices. Just because someone decided to put up a blurb about that doesn't mean we are anywhere close to getting a worth while port of ReactOS running on this device.
Why is there a link to some Slashdot story from 1998?
Perhaps this is the way to go to make this tablet suck less, but I would recommend switching to a windows tablet, either a Rt-based or a x86-based tablet. Back when galaxy tab 2 10.1 came to the stores, I went ahead and got one.
And that was a decision I soon came to regret deeply. Android is simply not comparable to windows, not even on a tablet.
So I went to buy a hp elitepad, running windows 8 pro. This impressed me so much that I also bought an Asus vivotab Rt.
The fact that the elitepad is running x86, means that I now will install virtualbox, and then install android for x86.
And perhaps mac os, windows nt, bsd or Ubuntu. Time will show.
My point here being, it is better to start with a superior os and then install the inferior ones, instead of doing this in reverse.
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Perhaps this is the way to go to make this tablet suck less, but I would recommend switching to a windows tablet, either a Rt-based or a x86-based tablet. Back when galaxy tab 2 10.1 came to the stores, I went ahead and got one.
And that was a decision I soon came to regret deeply. Android is simply not comparable to windows, not even on a tablet.
So I went to buy a hp elitepad, running windows 8 pro. This impressed me so much that I also bought an Asus vivotab Rt.
The fact that the elitepad is running x86, means that I now will install virtualbox, and then install android for x86.
And perhaps mac os, windows nt, bsd or Ubuntu. Time will show.
My point here being, it is better to start with a superior os and then install the inferior ones, instead of doing this in reverse.
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You really can't compare a weak Tegra 2 processor to a much more powerful Intel processor, based on two totally different architectures, running two totally different OSes, two totally different tablets with entirely different specs... You're comparing a snail to a Toyota sports car.
Try out a Tegra 4 tablet or a Snapdragon 800 tablet... That's some good stuff. Nexus 10 too, Exynos is a beast.
Ubuntu Touch has been ported the Note 2 and Note 10.1 (2013 version) with nearly identical internals. Ubuntu Touch is also based on CM 10 and requires a CM 10 port, the Note 8.0 already has a CM 10 port http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2457346 I see no reason why an Ubuntu Touch for the Samsung Galaxy Note 8.0 would not be possible.
I agree with you...
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I might try my hand at this after I've sorted my university stuff - its been a while since I've done any ROM stuff
Thanks in advance if you're willing to try to port it, I'm really looking forward to this
Kernel and other stuff are the same, so theoretically you could use my sources (kernel, hardware, etc) with the n5110 device repo, and maybe it would work.
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Quoting OP of the Ubuntu Port thread for Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2168999
And is it possible to make it dual boot between Ubuntu Touch and Android?
PS. Please port Ubuntu Touch for GT-N5110
So is this project starting or has it begun?
Or how is the process going?
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I might start it this week, but theres a few things im not sure on
If bricked, how would I unbrick it? I'm experienced with HTC's and somewhat with Nexus, but not samsung at all
Would there even be any demand? I mean it won't support the S-Pen and all, and development is relatively slow as it is
My guess is yoou would just use Odin to reflash your device. And I know personally this is something I would back and be willing to test should you need someone.
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techhead11 said:
My guess is yoou would just use Odin to reflash your device. And I know personally this is something I would back and be willing to test should you need someone.
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wow to have a fully capable linux operating system working on our note 8 would be great!! but are there any apps like onenote from microsoft available for linux yet???
So I guess this is just a lost hope huh?
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Any news about this port? Now I try the news nightly cm10.2 and work fine.
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wow to have a fully capable linux operating system working on our note 8 would be great!! but are there any apps like onenote from microsoft available for linux yet???
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From what I know, Ubuntu Touch is just cyanogenmod with an Ubuntu UI. It is no more a full linux OS than Android, and in fact, both run on the Linux kernel and Ubuntu is basically a modified version of Android. I really don't understand why people are having wet dreams over the prospect of running Ubuntu Touch on their tablets. You're getting nothing in return except a different look and design of the OS and probably no access to Google Play. Oh, and all the bugs associated with CyanogenMod, and none of the functionality that is unique to the Note 8. I am all for giving people options, but Ubuntu Touch seems like the most unnecessary development to hit Android devices to date.
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From what I know, Ubuntu Touch is just cyanogenmod with an Ubuntu UI. It is no more a full linux OS than Android, and in fact, both run on the Linux kernel and Ubuntu is basically a modified version of Android. I really don't understand why people are having wet dreams over the prospect of running Ubuntu Touch on their tablets. You're getting nothing in return except a different look and design of the OS and probably no access to Google Play. Oh, and all the bugs associated with CyanogenMod, and none of the functionality that is unique to the Note 8. I am all for giving people options, but Ubuntu Touch seems like the most unnecessary development to hit Android devices to date.
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I may be wrong bjt im oretty sure that you actually have full access to the ubuntu software center for apps and such.
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techhead11 said:
I may be wrong bjt im oretty sure that you actually have full access to the ubuntu software center for apps and such.
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I would say you're wrong only because Ubuntu and Ubuntu touch are designed for different architectures (x86 vs ARM). This is no different than windows 8 vs windows RT in that you can't share apps between the 2 systems. Point is, if an application such as OpenOffice is not reengineered to run on ARM, it's not going to run on Ubuntu Touch. Ubuntu Touch is built on top of Android, and while it may have access to the ubuntu software center, it's still not going to have the apps to make it worthwhile unless it also can access google play. And I doubt that it will. But if I am wrong, please correct me.
sputnik767 said:
I would say you're wrong only because Ubuntu and Ubuntu touch are designed for different architectures (x86 vs ARM). This is no different than windows 8 vs windows RT in that you can't share apps between the 2 systems. Point is, if an application such as OpenOffice is not reengineered to run on ARM, it's not going to run on Ubuntu Touch. Ubuntu Touch is built on top of Android, and while it may have access to the ubuntu software center, it's still not going to have the apps to make it worthwhile unless it also can access google play. And I doubt that it will. But if I am wrong, please correct me.
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In a sense yes, but just like any new operating system, the app market will start out slow and as more interest grows, people are going to develop more and more apps for the market.
techhead11 said:
In a sense yes, but just like any new operating system, the app market will start out slow and as more interest grows, people are going to develop more and more apps for the market.
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You are assuming that interest is actually going to grow, and I can probably think of more new systems that are failing or have failed, than succeeded. And again, Ubuntu Touch is a port of Android with a questionable future. It brings nothing new in terms of the actual operating system to the table, and if a current dev who is making programs for Linux is not making similar programs for Android now, what would make them start coding for Ubuntu Touch? Likewise, why would a current Android dev start porting their apps to Ubuntu when they have a massive user base on iOS and Android? Look at BB and Windows Phone, which are actually very good, polished systems and not half-ass ports, and see how small their app ecosystems are.
But ask yourself this question: are you going to give up Android 4.2.2 on your Note for a half-ass port of Ubuntu Touch (pretty much all ports of CM are half-ass), lose the functionality of the S-Pen, and lose access to Google Play along with all of apps that make Android something more than just a device to browse the web? Because that's pretty much what you will end up with as it stands now. I will not discount the possibility that Ubuntu Touch will carve itself a niche market somewhere, but even if you can sideload Android apks, it is far more effort than most people will be willing to put up with.
I know this is an OLD thread, but I want to correct the people saying the x86/ARM difference means that software won't run on Ubuntu Touch. This is completely false. Ubuntu maintains repositories for all manners of architectures, including ARM. ALL OSS applications with full source will run under ARM (you can even do this on a Chromebook, which is amazingly nice.) as long as they have no proprietary binaries. This means that if you can download the source code, it can be compiled to work on ARM, and even done on the fly with apt.