I've been a Nexus S owner for about a month now and it's the best Android phone I've owned so far. If it had an LED notification light and better build quality it would probably be perfect in my book. Anyways, the phone has been extremely fast for me. This is also the first Android phone I've had no interest in rooting because everything works as I want it to stock.
I'm just wondering, is it worth it to root and overclock this phone? Does overclocking really improve the speed that much? Also does Voodoo really give noticeable improvements to the sound and screen?
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I've been a Nexus S owner for about a month now and it's the best Android phone I've owned so far. If it had an LED notification light and better build quality it would probably be perfect in my book. Anyways, the phone has been extremely fast for me. This is also the first Android phone I've had no interest in rooting because everything works as I want it to stock.
I'm just wondering, is it worth it to root and overclock this phone? Does overclocking really improve the speed that much? Also does Voodoo really give noticeable improvements to the sound and screen?
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yes, yes, and a huge yes to voodoo sound
For me personally, my NS goes up to 1,4Ghz flawlessly and stable and in my (probably subjective) opinion, it did speed up the flicking through my large app drawer list, for example.
Basic things like browsing, texting, opening e-mails etc are pretty much the same, it's barely noticable. Probably because the stock NS is so fast and smooth, the few percents of added speed you gain by overclocking aren't really noticable.
The main thing is the battery life though, it'll drain the battery significantly and so it's up to you whether or not you want to have your phone running a tad faster but not make it through the day, or have it go normal and last the day.
I would always root your phone.
Since you mention the missing backlight notification, if you flash your kernel to say, for example, Netarchy 1.3.12, you can install a small app that's called "BLN". It turns the 4 buttons into a notification light by blinking them on notifications, works perfect.
Also, many people prefer CM7 over the stock Android because of the added functionalities; one more reason to root your phone
I haven't noticed anything about the voodoo sound/display, maybe someone else can pick in here.
Greetz
Trust me in that you will love your phone more if you do. I don't notice the change in speed but voodoo control is a must. You'll be able to adjust the colours on your screen to make your phone POP!
The badass thing about rooting it is that it fixes the notification light problem. All you have to do is flash a kernel with BLN compatibility (Nearly all of them have it) and download the BLN app from the market.
Every time you get a new notification the bottom four buttons flash on and off
Also like Simms said, you also get Voodoo colors which make the screen colors much much better then stock.
I personally don't overclock because like you said the phone is already so damn fast =)
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I do not overclock my CPU. I don't get any noticeable benefit from it (other than increased Quadrant scores). I tend the opposite way.... I'd rather reduce power for longer battery life, so I undervolt.
Voodoo is worth flashing a custom kernel for, in my opinion. Keep in mind you do not have to root to flash a custom kernel. You only have to unlock the bootloader with one simple command.
I know what you mean about not wanting to even root. I only rooted so I could take screenshots with Shoot Me app. But I use the stock Rom and probably always will
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I do not overclock my CPU. I don't get any noticeable benefit from it (other than increased Quadrant scores). I tend the opposite way.... I'd rather reduce power for longer battery life, so I undervolt.
Voodoo is worth flashing a custom kernel for, in my opinion. Keep in mind you do not have to root to flash a custom kernel. You only have to unlock the bootloader with one simple command.
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well, since the bootloader is unlocked, why doesn't root?! =oP
in my opinion, the bad thing in flashing things is because it is addictive, you can't stop anymore. I lived fine with stock for two months, and now i can't stay a week without flash something.
as a matter of fact, you can have voodoo sound in stock kernel, just use the pay app, and if you own a slcd version (like me), you won't need voodoo colors. So the missing and must have is BLN and that was the first reason i root this thing! =o)
and btw, for me, the device is fast enought and i really like to finish the day with my phone still alive, so i don't oc it! =o)
I have noticed that everyone seems to talk about bln but does no one like the no led app? It does well for me...just wondering because I'm new to the S but not android
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I have noticed that everyone seems to talk about bln but does no one like the no led app? It does well for me...just wondering because I'm new to the S but not android
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bln is universal (works in scld and samoled screens) and uses A LOT less battery than no led...
frutelaken said:
For me personally, my NS goes up to 1,4Ghz flawlessly and stable and in my (probably subjective) opinion, it did speed up the flicking through my large app drawer list, for example.
Basic things like browsing, texting, opening e-mails etc are pretty much the same, it's barely noticable. Probably because the stock NS is so fast and smooth, the few percents of added speed you gain by overclocking aren't really noticable.
The main thing is the battery life though, it'll drain the battery significantly and so it's up to you whether or not you want to have your phone running a tad faster but not make it through the day, or have it go normal and last the day.
I would always root your phone.
Since you mention the missing backlight notification, if you flash your kernel to say, for example, Netarchy 1.3.12, you can install a small app that's called "BLN". It turns the 4 buttons into a notification light by blinking them on notifications, works perfect.
Also, many people prefer CM7 over the stock Android because of the added functionalities; one more reason to root your phone
I haven't noticed anything about the voodoo sound/display, maybe someone else can pick in here.
Greetz
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what is your setup to OC to 1.4? Currently I am running the I9020A at 1200 mhz on stock 2.3.4 with netarchy kernel, latest stable version. slightly over volted. however, it still freezes when i play videos with moboplayer. I havent been able to find a stable OC @ 1.4. It will reset and freeze overnight when idle
anyone else's input is welcome
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bln is universal (works in scld and samoled screens) and uses A LOT less battery than no led...
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This is truth. No LED does drain the battery quite a bit if you aren't able to dismiss a notification right away. That really hurt me a few times which is why after a few weeks I switched to BLN and haven't looked back.
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what is your setup to OC to 1.4? Currently I am running the I9020A at 1200 mhz on stock 2.3.4 with netarchy kernel, latest stable version. slightly over volted. however, it still freezes when i play videos with moboplayer. I havent been able to find a stable OC @ 1.4. It will reset and freeze overnight when idle
anyone else's input is welcome
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For my Phone i've never been able to handle 1.4 ever. I run mine at 1.3 and have no issues. Going to 1.4 makes my phone lock up. Every phone is different it seems.
For the record I'm running CM7 7.0.3 and Netarchy BFS 1.3.4.
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I was running Netarchy 1.3.0.2 BFS a few weeks ago. Without doing anything fancy, I could overclock to 1,4 using setCPU and it ran smoothly. I9023, GRI40 and CM7.
But, that kernel version doesn't support BLN so I had to upgrade and I chose the Netarchy 1.3.0.12 CFS and I have to admit (I just tested), I get lock-ups and reboots using 1,4 now.
Many people say it's device related, but I'm convinced the kernel has a lot to do with it as well. I don't know if BFS is the reason or not, it never ran stable on my device (even on stock speeds) and I'm much more satisfied with CFS's stability, but I think that's personal as well
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1.4 my phone just locks up.
1.2 and 1.3 are about the same for me: random reboots several times a day, with minimal if any noticeable improvement in performance in day to day activities.
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I recently tried overclocking. I found that my phone can barely handle 1.2Ghz. Forget 1.4Ghz. I tried 1.1Ghz and it seemed stable enough but I didn't see any real world benefit from it. Right now I've settled on netarchy 1.3.4 bfs and cyanogen nightlies running at stock clock 1Ghz. Phone is stable, responsive, battery life seems good and voodoo sound is great.
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Trying overclocking now. Phone seems to handle even 1.4 pretty decently. Not noticing any problems. 3393 on Quadrant, nice and peppy. I don't know if the draw on batter life is really worth it. I'll probably drop back down to 1.2 max 400 min. That seems to be a sweet spot.
Running OpenSoju 0.2.6 with the included netarchy kernel.
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Looking for a stable rom with improved battery life for my wifes evo shift. What are the best options available?
I'd put this one
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=953293
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Looking for a stable rom with improved battery life for my wifes evo shift. What are the best options available?
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why dont you just root it and apply OC kernel and get rid of the bloatware? mine runs smooth as hell on stock rom
i'll 2nd the mikshift rom and also the bcnice oc kernel (& setcpu) after loading the rom
the processor runs at 250'ish mhz when not being used then jumps up to a nice snappy 1.5ghz undervolted any time its being used
the speeds are completely configurable go as high or as low as you like under certain conditions or keep it stock at a constant 800mhz
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why dont you just root it and apply OC kernel and get rid of the bloatware? mine runs smooth as hell on stock rom
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Whats an OC kernal?
OC stands for over-clocking, so a kernel that has the ability to be over-clocked, aka, run faster than the factory settings
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...the bcnice oc kernel (& setcpu) after loading the rom
the processor runs at 250'ish mhz when not being used then jumps up to a nice snappy 1.5ghz undervolted any time its being used
the speeds are completely configurable go as high or as low as you like under certain conditions or keep it stock at a constant 800mhz
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^This is what I am running and I have enjoyed it thus far. Stable so far, I did get a couple really minor graphic glitches (possibly unrelated but was at 1.8ghz) but all around it runs great at 1.8.
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^This is what I am running and I have enjoyed it thus far. Stable so far, I did get a couple really minor graphic glitches (possibly unrelated but was at 1.8ghz) but all around it runs great at 1.8.
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Any Battery issues? I'm thinking of applying an OC Kernel but not if it drains my battery too much.
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Any Battery issues? I'm thinking of applying an OC Kernel but not if it drains my battery too much.
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The kernels are undervolted...where the voltage of the processor is lowered to have better battery life and performance..so its better for you..even if you stay running at 806mhz
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I second KILO, I know some people hate the Sense UI but there are alot of people that like it. My wife specifically got this phone just for Friend Stream. Root + Stock Rom + OC Kernel is really a great combo and verry stable. Getting rid of the bloatware will make you feel good, but the phone runs well with it, so it is not essential. However every sprint phone I get the first thing to go is Nascar and Football app, ESPN is better imho.
I personally like the AOSP look and feel
Hello all!
Just upgraded my wife from the MyTouch 3G Slide to the G2 as she has to have a keyboard and we were on our 5th replacement Slide. So, as she is not the geek that I am, she will not be constantly flashing new ROMs and such. However, I am going to at least install the latest CM and I am looking for kernel suggestions. I already have root, s-off, new hboot, and all that, I'm just waiting for CM7 to finish downloading.
I started using Android with the G1 and constantly updating Radios, as well as ROMs and I currently use a Samsung Vibrant running a TeamWhiskey ROM. It's stable as anything, I like the theme, and CM7 still has some broken stuff on the Vibrant. I'm glad to see that Eugene recently picked up a G2 as he made some bad ass kernels and ROMs for the Vibrant.
So, let's here those kernel recommendations and why you recommend them.
Thanks!
Well am currently using mexdroidmod and their kernel is pretty awesome because its fast and stable. My best advice is to test the diffrent kernel and read through the tread, see what people say about it. All the kernels I have tried are all awesome so you should try them
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pershoot's kernel. great batt life and OCing
Umaro's kernel has been rock solid for me and has tons of features as well. You can OC all the way to 1.9 Ghz if you so please and it has smartass.
well considering your wife isn't much of a techie.. i say you should go with pershoots kernel because he's always releasing updates and i've never had a problem with any of them. the battery life is excellent if you use the right radio (.17 and .30 have been good to me), but you need to experiment with this though. the phone runs beautifully, just make sure you use superwipe+ to format/wipe so you don't end up with gps issues like many people have had, good luck!
I've run umaro, eugene, pershoot, flippy, pyro, etc etc... aaand I've decided that the provided kernel is pretty much good to go. yeah, there are some little trinkety things with a few of the above kernels that the standard CM7 kernel doesn't support... but honestly, they're worthless to a user who just wants to turn the phone on and have it work.
set her up with the stock kernel @ 245-1017 (I haven't found a reason yet to ditch the ondemand governor, it seems to work best with CM7) and a vanilla gingerbread launcher and she'll be blown away.. that's my $.02
Like said above, CM kernel is great. I've tried most or even all available kernels for CM and finaly decided to stick with original one. It's stable and supports OC (up to 1.5GHz) "out of box", so really, I see no single reason to use the other ones.
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Like said above, CM kernel is great. I've tried most or even all available kernels for CM and finaly decided to stick with original one. It's stable and supports OC (up to 1.5GHz) "out of box", so really, I see no single reason to use the other ones.
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I'm also thinking about changing the kernal, but only for smartass. Does smartass offer that much of an increase on battery life or anything else? Also, when you OC, do you use SetCPU or just CyanogenMod Settings?
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I'm also thinking about changing the kernal, but only for smartass. Does smartass offer that much of an increase on battery life or anything else? Also, when you OC, do you use SetCPU or just CyanogenMod Settings?
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not at all pooping on any of the guys who swear by smartass/other governors, but the change in battery life is almost unnoticable for me.. the change in performance however can be pretty apparent.
here's my problem with "battery saving" governors:
in order to save battery, these governors are supposed to be more intelligent about which frequencies they select once a task is called... well, that's all well and dandy, but the problem is that the majority of battery-hogging apps (ie streaming music/video, gaming, browsing for a long time, being on the phone, etc) are still going to be battery hogs with or without a fancy governor. the governor isn't capable of making an app that needs a lot of processing power run well at a lower frequency, it can only try to be more selective about which frequencies it uses in order to attempt to save battery life.
additionally, most people use their phones like this: phone is idle (ie screen off), and a call arrives. call ends, phone is back to idle. texting a few people, back to idle. playing a game for 15 minutes, back to idle.
is it really logical to assume that these short bursts of activity are going to benefit at all from a fancy shmancy governor? I doubt it.
I still swear by ondemand or interactive (both work well for me) thru built-in settings if possible (ie cyanogen performance settings). second choice would be setcpu with no profiles (unless you're overclocking heavily, then you should at least have a temp warning profile). at this point, screen-off profiles don't do a damn bit of good, because pretty much every kernel we have for the vision is going to scale down during inactivity.
After the release of Clemsyn's 1.6 GHz Kernel for CM7 based ROMs last night, I immediately switched to it just to see.
But before that I was running Faux123 1.3 GHz.
I'm keeping the Clemsyn kernel for now, simply because I can. My phone can run it with little difficulty thus far and I have a profile to lower the max freq when the CPU gets to a certain temperature. I think I went with about 65 Celsisus.
Before I switched back to CM7 (or rather Neutrino) I was using Wet Dream. I OCed to 1.45 then in attempt to compensate for only half decent webtop performance.
But now I really only do it because I can. Whenever possible, my phone is on the lapdock since I like to HDMI mirror. Battery is not a concern since the lapdock charges the phone and I pretty much always keep the lapdock charger on hand in my bag.
I just thought it would be an interesting subject for the community to discuss as I'm sure it's something that a number of us haven't even thought of and I bet a good number of us fall into the because I can or bragging rights category.
Specific instances of problems OCing helped with in x app or y app might make someone else want to OC whereas someone who doesn't OC might persuade a user like myself to drop it for amazing battery ETC.
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Why I DO OC.
Right now I have my Atrix OC'ed at 1.45. I'm currently running Alien ROM Build #4.
The CPU has never gotten past ~55ยบ C.
I also have 2 profiles set
1 for Screen off - 800 MHz max.
1 for Battery< 10% -216 MHz max.
This paired with Alien ROM and LP has left me with a buttery smooth experience.
Is the 1.6 OC kernel worth giving a shot? Or does it make the CPU run excessively hot?
EDIT: I didn't really address battery life. I don't notice a huge decrease in battery life, I'm a pretty heavy user- SMS, Web, Video streaming, Facebook, Twitter. Over all OC'ing is definitely worth it to me.
I like to keep mine overclocked because it seems snapier. I use faux 1.45 and its great. Ive noticed clem's likes to make my phone very hot when running video or games and has actually shut my phone down due to heat. If I run clems I like to drop the overclock with setcpu to around 1.3 so it doesnt shut down but seems to get way hotter than faux's. Anything over 1.5 is just going to cause damage to peoples phones and IMO it should not be used so lightly.
I'm OC'd to 1.45ghz I do it for performance and those random times I need to benchmark I want to try 1.5-6 but I can't seem to get them to boot with the ICS mod2 cm7 so till cm9 or neutrino ill just float about with what I have
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No need for 1.6 IMO.
1.3 is plenty for the Atrix. Even Faux 1.0 is fine. Its a phone, not a PC.
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I dunno...my webtop configuration may want to take exception to that statement
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I dunno...my webtop configuration may want to take exception to that statement
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i honestly haven't been able to really tell a difference between 1.0 and 1.3GHz in most of my applications. it definitely doesn't help with system slowdown due to live wallpapers, which is a disappointment.
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I dunno...my webtop configuration may want to take exception to that statement
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Haha, I was in that boat before I switched to HDMI mirroring coupled with VNC or Splashtop (when applicable) from experience, I can tell why Webtop users want OC. You can turn your phone into such a useful computer, and then it falls flat on its face because the inner-workings aren't streamlined. The extra power DOES help in that situation.
But in my actual experience, I haven't seen many realworld benefits past 1.2.
Especially since 1.6 kept eventually shutting down on me after about an hour (assuming there is the same issue as in Clemsyn 1.5, setting your max to a lower frequency than 1.6 won't stick so my temperature profile wouldn't actually work)
My "because I can" mindset is going to leave me stuck on 1.45 though most likely. I keep it maxed at 1.2(or is it 1.1? I'm not using the kernel right now) and then have a profile to ramp it up to 1.45 when it's on the charger (aka my lapdock)
I don't think it is quite the same for Blur based ROMs, but on CM7 1.0 seems perfectly adequate for the Atrix. Even at it's stock speed, it is snappy.
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I dont overclock. I used to be at 1.3ghz, but I didnt see a big enough difference to keep it. At least on CM7, the Atrix is plenty fast on stock speed.
I overclock, but I wait for thoroughly tested kernels before doing so. Right now I'm with faux's v023r @ 1.3 Ghz. I'll try Clemsyn's after its second or third "redesign" or bugfix.
I stick to optimal battery life kernels rather than performance (faux 123 0.2.3 being the one I'm currently on and most likely will be for the foreseeable future)
Also I can't imagine performance possibly getting any quicker or running programs any faster than they already are on the atrix.
Honestly, I never understood why people oc their phone, especially the Atrix. I mean the phone is already fast being that it is 1Ghz dual core. Plus from what I have seen, the Atrix overheats like crazy with the stock frequency so why would you want to increase that even more, so it explodes? I use my phone to mostly play 3D games and I have never encountered any lag or low fps whenever I play games.
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Honestly, I never understood why people oc their phone, especially the Atrix. I mean the phone is already fast being that it is 1Ghz dual core. Plus from what I have seen, the Atrix overheats like crazy with the stock frequency so why would you want to increase that even more, so it explodes? I use my phone to mostly play 3D games and I have never encountered any lag or low fps whenever I play games.
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The Atrix is plenty fast already. I can understand if you OC a HTC Magic, or a Hero; but there's no real need to do so on the Atrix.
Idk I see a difference on any launcher when I flip through pages and through apps. 1.3 or 1.45. But I def notice the difference in snappyness.
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95% of the time I overclock I do it for getting awesome benchmark scores that I can admire. 5% of the time I do it when playing 3D games like Fruit Ninja, It seems a lot smoother to me. But I hardly ever do it because it sucks the battery down so fast, so usually I'm at 1ghz. Also it's just kind of cool to see the the potential the phone has when overclocking.
i used faux's kernel to overclock to 1.3 for a few months but i didnt really see any difference except when i run quadrant or how my phone got hotter than stock when under load. another thing that annoyed me with faux's kernel was constantly losing widgets on reboot. i use two batteries so i reboot pretty often.
I used faux 23r 1.4GHz with setCPU profiles.
Profiles clamped speed to 1ghz at cpu temp of 50degc and 800mhz at 60degc.
Most noticeable difference was in k9 mail, indexing and searching were slightly improved.
I ran it so I would get a short boost if the cpu was cold.
Matthew
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Hey
On my old and feeble Hero I had to OC, if I wanted it to run fine, however I never felt the need to OC my Atrix. it has so much juice in it without OC, making it useless to squeeze the battery for the extra 0.2-0.5 GHz. Moreover, since we have no real ICS, our CPU runs freely and waste energy for nothing, so OC it will just make it run ever faster for nothing (In Hebrew there is a saying- running full throttle on neutral ).
I used to run Faux123 1.0Ghz kernel just to UV the device, but since I flashed weekly 6 I use the stock kernel, and it runs great, no overheating, and extremely stable (What cannot be said on UV kernels...)
The only time i oc is when using webtop, that extra speed makes a difference. The rest of the its running at 1ghz and seems plenty
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which kernel out there is the best right now? in battery life and speed
theres only one that fits best battery and fastest.. trinity kernel.
I like Trinity but Motley also did very well for me.
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theres only that fits best battery and fastest.. trinity kernel.
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This^ look at it this way. The nexus allready has great performance, it will handle any game you throw at it. (Unless not optimized for tegra 3) so wht else do you need? A kernel that gives amazing battery life. And what kernel is that..... \l/ TRINITY \l/
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TRINITY without a doubt!!! Fast as hell and almost unbelievable battery life!
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Trinity IMHO....
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battery right now..
speed..
Ill say motley. I tried trinity kernel. Its good. But I getbetter performance,stability, and battery life with motley. All these battery screen shots really mean nothing. Why? Because none show real heavy use. I can easily get the same stats or better with light to moderate use. Show me some stats showing 8-10+ hrs of screen on time. With some heavy app or game usge. Anyone can use device for a few hours. Then leave it in deep sleep and show the same or better stats.
I've tried all the kernels out so far. They are all good. Its a matter of personal preference of features you want. Some pack things others don't. MOTLEY 'S ATM is the only linaro based kernel. So its using new additions/components. Better optimized. Benchmarks are cool but its real world performance that matters most.
I'm running stock rom with motley latest linaro based kernel with Zram, then CPU overclock @ 1.624ghz and gpu overclock @ 520mhz. I'm also undervolted -75mV across the board. So my temps stay low. Which equates to my device running at a higher performance speed longer.
The best thing about stock rom is I can measly flash different kernels and not have to worry about flashing a rom and setting my apps n all THST all over again. I can flash a kernel with no wipes and be good. Plus stock rom is the most stable ATM. Can't lie though, I am anxious to flash some roms. THST paranoid Android one looks really good. Along with the pure linaro based rom. That's the great thing about choices.
Its not a matter of who has the best kernel. Its more about what you looking for in features and personalizing your device to cater to our needs.
Asking who has the best kernel is like asking who is the best developer on xda. I don't think that's fair to the developers as they ALL work hard on roms or kernels. Forget the popularity contests.
THEY ALL THE BEST lol. Some are just more seasoned than others. Which is OK. I love the fact we have variety of things to choose from. I've been impressed with trinity kernel, based on scores I've been seeing. But I'm also impressed with faux kernel and its a more straight forward one with lots of new Linux commits and additions. All the kernels have a personality of their own. I love the fact that twrp makes it very easy n simple to try out any kernel I want for nexus7. No matter who makes it. Every developer has its followers. You also have people who like to try out different setups.
Choice is a good thing! That's what I love about Android.
I've got to say for me trinity is the best kernel for the Nexus 7, updated daily and great communication with the dev makes this an awesome kernel. The trinity toolbox app is the icing on the cake.
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Ill say motley. I tried trinity kernel. Its good. But I getbetter performance,stability, and battery life with motley. All these battery screen shots really mean nothing. Why? Because none show real heavy use. I can easily get the same stats or better with light to moderate use. Show me some stats showing 8-10+ hrs of screen on time. With some heavy app or game usge. Anyone can use device for a few hours. Then leave it in deep sleep and show the same or better stats.
I've tried all the kernels out so far. They are all good. Its a matter of personal preference of features you want. Some pack things others don't. MOTLEY 'S ATM is the only linaro based kernel. So its using new additions/components. Better optimized. Benchmarks are cool but its real world performance that matters most.
I'm running stock rom with motley latest linaro based kernel with Zram, then CPU overclock @ 1.624ghz and gpu overclock @ 520mhz. I'm also undervolted -75mV across the board. So my temps stay low. Which equates to my device running at a higher performance speed longer.
The best thing about stock rom is I can measly flash different kernels and not have to worry about flashing a rom and setting my apps n all THST all over again. I can flash a kernel with no wipes and be good. Plus stock rom is the most stable ATM. Can't lie though, I am anxious to flash some roms. THST paranoid Android one looks really good. Along with the pure linaro based rom. That's the great thing about choices.
Its not a matter of who has the best kernel. Its more about what you looking for in features and personalizing your device to cater to our needs.
Asking who has the best kernel is like asking who is the best developer on xda. I don't think that's fair to the developers as they ALL work hard on roms or kernels. Forget the popularity contests.
THEY ALL THE BEST lol. Some are just more seasoned than others. Which is OK. I love the fact we have variety of things to choose from. I've been impressed with trinity kernel, based on scores I've been seeing. But I'm also impressed with faux kernel and its a more straight forward one with lots of new Linux commits and additions. All the kernels have a personality of their own. I love the fact that twrp makes it very easy n simple to try out any kernel I want for nexus7. No matter who makes it. Every developer has its followers. You also have people who like to try out different setups.
Choice is a good thing! That's what I love about Android.
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1. trinity kernel has been using linaro since april of 2011, on the nexus s, the gnex, and now the nexus 7.
2. zram is a placibo. theres nothing there
3. stock rom is good, but i prefer a pure aosp build. no, they are not the same.
4. and the last two paragraphs are the absolute truth.
5. really, you should try them all, let your device tell you which kernel it likes the best
simms22 said:
1. trinity kernel has been using linaro since april of 2011, on the nexus s, the gnex, and now the nexus 7.
2. zram is a placibo. theres nothing there
3. stock rom is good, but i prefer a pure aosp build. no, they are not the same.
4. and the last two paragraphs are the absolute truth.
5. really, you should try them all, let your device tell you which kernel it likes the best
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Thing with zram is, its not for getting higher benchmark scores or immediate performance. Its more so for heavy multitasking. Is been proven to help. The placebo is on people who think its supposed to provide some immediate result. If someone is a heavy multitasker on their device, then zram would benefit them. If you not much of a multitasker, then zram will show no Bendix for you.
You are right though, about trying out different kernels and such. Pure aosp rom sounds good. I just hate having to reset up my apps n stuff. I know titanium good for that but me personally, I'm waiting for roms to mature more and have most things, of not everything working. All roms so far seem to have something not working yet. Which is fine. Nature of the beast.
I think I might give trinity kernel another try. I did buy the tkt app. But never used it in conjunction with the kernel. I bought it just for the automatic script it runs..lol plus to show support. I heard tkt app works best with trinity kernel plus allows you to tweak features only in trinity kernel.
Ill download the latest build Trinity has and see what's up. Performance and better battery life is always a good thing. Its gpu is overclocked to 520mhz also?
Trinity HANDS DOWN its been 3 hours on sleep and ITS still at 100%! + the ridiculous speed along with the power saving features. I may be new to the Nexus 7 scene but this is hands down to godly .
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Thing with zram is, its not for getting higher benchmark scores or immediate performance. Its more so for heavy multitasking. Is been proven to help. The placebo is on people who think its supposed to provide some immediate result. If someone is a heavy multitasker on their device, then zram would benefit them. If you not much of a multitasker, then zram will show no Bendix for you.
You are right though, about trying out different kernels and such. Pure aosp rom sounds good. I just hate having to reset up my apps n stuff. I know titanium good for that but me personally, I'm waiting for roms to mature more and have most things, of not everything working. All roms so far seem to have something not working yet. Which is fine. Nature of the beast.
I think I might give trinity kernel another try. I did buy the tkt app. But never used it in conjunction with the kernel. I bought it just for the automatic script it runs..lol plus to show support. I heard tkt app works best with trinity kernel plus allows you to tweak features only in trinity kernel.
Ill download the latest build Trinity has and see what's up. Performance and better battery life is always a good thing. Its gpu is overclocked to 520mhz also?
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im not sure if gpus oc...but when u underclock..theres absolutely no performance difference..and saves battery too! 102mhz-1100mhz on demand/deadline..god like battery life. 4 hours screen time...still 45% left...shouldve been more if i didnt flash roms in between battery life. also under clocked, gta 3 and cs portable runs great and smooth still.
thanks to simms, I tried out trinity again. I flashed the latest builds. ran some benchmarks. for some reason, my device doesn't like the highest speed on benchmarks. it kept rebooting during them. so I stayed at 1.5ghz. governor I used was performance and on demand. for scheduler I ran with deadline. i forced cpu online and put fysnc on faster, thanks to TKT app. on quadrant, I was more concerned with seeing if I could achieve those crazy high I/O scores. which I did. my overall score was good but I've gotten higher on motley. it could be higher on this kernel if I get the 1.6ghz+ speed to stick. I was more impressed with my rl sqlite benchmark test. scored 18 seconds overall. which blows away the competition.
so I'm impressed with latest version of kernel. definitely better than the older build I ran of it from before. some things I've noticed though. where is the ability to undervolt at? no option in tkt app and the voltages tab disappeared from system tuner. also, this build gpu isn't overclocked. or might be better for me to say its definitely not running at 520mhz. I could tell this by the fps from quadrant. its running 59-60fps. on motley with 520mhz gpu I get 70-80+fps. just some things I noticed. not necessarily drawbacks. kernel runs very good. just got to figure how to make higher speed stick. since I can't seem to adjust voltages on this build, I can't increase voltage or undervolt it. if this can be done on trinity kernel, let me know how. its not showing voltages in tkt app or system tuner.
overall very good kernel. will run it for a while to see how battery life is. I will likely underclock it like above poster mentioned for best battery life. I noticed nexus 7 still runs great underclocked. no lag.,no matter what kernel I'm using.
I've attached screenshots of my benches on latest trinity overclocked @ 1.5ghz. I know my device can take 1.6ghz cuz on motley I can run the speed fine, even through benches. so have to see why its not taking on trinity kernel. maybe voltage needs to be increased.
so it doesnt matter if trinity is still in experimental? its that good? i guess ill try that one out
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thanks to simms, I tried out trinity again. I flashed the latest builds. ran some benchmarks. for some reason, my device doesn't like the highest speed on benchmarks. it kept rebooting during them. so I stayed at 1.5ghz. governor I used was performance and on demand. for scheduler I ran with deadline. i forced cpu online and put fysnc on faster, thanks to TKT app. on quadrant, I was more concerned with seeing if I could achieve those crazy high I/O scores. which I did. my overall score was good but I've gotten higher on motley. it could be higher on this kernel if I get the 1.6ghz+ speed to stick. I was more impressed with my rl sqlite benchmark test. scored 18 seconds overall. which blows away the competition.
so I'm impressed with latest version of kernel. definitely better than the older build I ran of it from before. some things I've noticed though. where is the ability to undervolt at? no option in tkt app and the voltages tab disappeared from system tuner. also, this build gpu isn't overclocked. or might be better for me to say its definitely not running at 520mhz. I could tell this by the fps from quadrant. its running 59-60fps. on motley with 520mhz gpu I get 70-80+fps. just some things I noticed. not necessarily drawbacks. kernel runs very good. just got to figure how to make higher speed stick. since I can't seem to adjust voltages on this build, I can't increase voltage or undervolt it. if this can be done on trinity kernel, let me know how. its not showing voltages in tkt app or system tuner.
overall very good kernel. will run it for a while to see how battery life is. I will likely underclock it like above poster mentioned for best battery life. I noticed nexus 7 still runs great underclocked. no lag.,no matter what kernel I'm using.
I've attached screenshots of my benches on latest trinity overclocked @ 1.5ghz. I know my device can take 1.6ghz cuz on motley I can run the speed fine, even through benches. so have to see why its not taking on trinity kernel. maybe voltage needs to be increased.
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there are more features that are going to be added, theyre being added all the time. ask gnex owners how the options grew(same app btw, different devices running trinity see different features in the app. so you purchase it once, and use it on multi devices. btw, voltage adjustment will be added, remember how new development is on the n7. also, if other developers added the options into their kernels, theyed be able to use those features with their kernels
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so it doesnt matter if trinity is still in experimental? its that good? i guess ill try that one out
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thats just trinitys method of rotating the kernels.. starts off in experimental(every kernel is tested to boot and run before it every appears here), then it graduates to prerelease if it makes the cut, and then if you guys like it it makes its way to release. its just that trinity development is so new here that there isnt a prerelease yet
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im not sure if gpus oc...but when u underclock..theres absolutely no performance difference..and saves battery too! 102mhz-1100mhz on demand/deadline..god like battery life. 4 hours screen time...still 45% left...shouldve been more if i didnt flash roms in between battery life. also under clocked, gta 3 and cs portable runs great and smooth still.
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I've underclocked mines to 1.1ghz also. battery doesn't want to budge from 100% so far..lol. it's barley sipping battery. the UI and browser is fluid n smooth at this underclock. which is a good thing. the real test will come once I play nova3 shortly. if it plays lag free on this lower speed then underclocking is a winner. I set my governor to interactive though. you get better battery life than ondemand. using deadline also. with fsync set to faster.
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there are more features that are going to be added, theyre being added all the time. ask gnex owners how the options grew(same app btw, different devices running trinity see different features in the app. so you purchase it once, and use it on multi devices. btw, voltage adjustment will be added, remember how new development is on the n7. also, if other developers added the options into their kernels, theyed be able to use those features with their kernels
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thats just trinitys method of rotating the kernels.. starts off in experimental(every kernel is tested to boot and run before it every appears here), then it graduates to prerelease if it makes the cut, and then if you guys like it it makes its way to release. its just that trinity development is so new here that there isnt a prerelease yet
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I understand nexus 7 is still infancy, developement wise. its cool. just wondering if those features were included since the option disappeared. I could undervolt or increase voltage on motley kernel. the tkt app would let me do it on THST kernel as the section shows for it. but I like using system tuner for undervolting when I was on motleys kernel. can't wait to see what new features get added. plus once I get my new phone, hopefully there'll be a trinity kernel out for it so I can use tkt app with it. the build is very good.
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thanks to simms, I tried out trinity again. I flashed the latest builds. ran some benchmarks. for some reason, my device doesn't like the highest speed on benchmarks. it kept rebooting during them. so I stayed at 1.5ghz. governor I used was performance and on demand. for scheduler I ran with deadline. i forced cpu online and put fysnc on faster, thanks to TKT app. on quadrant, I was more concerned with seeing if I could achieve those crazy high I/O scores. which I did. my overall score was good but I've gotten higher on motley. it could be higher on this kernel if I get the 1.6ghz+ speed to stick. I was more impressed with my rl sqlite benchmark test. scored 18 seconds overall. which blows away the competition.
so I'm impressed with latest version of kernel. definitely better than the older build I ran of it from before. some things I've noticed though. where is the ability to undervolt at? no option in tkt app and the voltages tab disappeared from system tuner. also, this build gpu isn't overclocked. or might be better for me to say its definitely not running at 520mhz. I could tell this by the fps from quadrant. its running 59-60fps. on motley with 520mhz gpu I get 70-80+fps. just some things I noticed. not necessarily drawbacks. kernel runs very good. just got to figure how to make higher speed stick. since I can't seem to adjust voltages on this build, I can't increase voltage or undervolt it. if this can be done on trinity kernel, let me know how. its not showing voltages in tkt app or system tuner.
overall very good kernel. will run it for a while to see how battery life is. I will likely underclock it like above poster mentioned for best battery life. I noticed nexus 7 still runs great underclocked. no lag.,no matter what kernel I'm using.
I've attached screenshots of my benches on latest trinity overclocked @ 1.5ghz. I know my device can take 1.6ghz cuz on motley I can run the speed fine, even through benches. so have to see why its not taking on trinity kernel. maybe voltage needs to be increased.
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Interesting, 70-80fps, more than the panel.
You were interested in battery in an earlier post, this is me feeling meh and couching most of Sunday.
EDIT: Yes, emailing, tapatalk, browsing for laptop and not finding any, reading news in Pulse and flipboard, tweetcaster and testing slice(s?), gtalk, not heavy usage obviously. Screen wasn't on unless The Seven was used though.
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morfic said:
Interesting, 70-80fps, more than the panel.
You were interested in battery in an earlier post, this is me feeling meh and couching most of Sunday.
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what is this?? 7hrs screen time and 30%??
jarjar124 said:
what is this?? 7hrs screen time and 30%??
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Expect no less.
This phone screams at 1.5ghz, why do people feel the need to overclock?
Overclocking in the long run can damage your phone; is this CPU capable of it?
Also, the technology in this should be capable of running everything underclocked, don't you think?
I had a sensation before and had to overclock that to make it usable. This phone requires no such thing. I would underclock this to increase battery life because I know it's still going to be just as smooth!
So there are my thoughts, sorry about the disorganized manner by which I worded and placed them. Discuss
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Overclock is rarly needed but feels good.lol.cant resist the urge:*)
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I completely agree with you. It runs so smooth and fast as it is I see no reason to bother overclocking.
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Agree, OC is not a Mod I need with this fast bad boy!
Even with overclocking on my SIII and Galaxy nexus it still wasn't even close to as smooth as this N4 is without any mods at all. Overclocking is not necessary for this beast. The only reason I would flash a new kernel would be to possibly fix the on screen coloring to be less washed out but even that doesn't bother me.
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Even with overclocking on my SIII and Galaxy nexus it still wasn't even close to as smooth as this N4 is without any mods at all. Overclocking is not necessary for this beast. The only reason I would flash a new kernel would be to possibly fix the on screen coloring to be less washed out but even that doesn't bother me.
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Could try this if you're rooted. I'm not, so can't test with stock kernel:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nexus4displaycontrol
Undervolted (-100mv) and underclocked to 1.026Ghz, still runs smooth as ever, so my answer would be "No."
And after reading about people getting the red LED of death, I'm not keen to OC even if it was needed. I did so on my GNexus but the CPU in that was terrible IMO.
stock kernel is feel warm when use for awhile, so im not even bother to oc, not trying to ruin this beautiful baby
Simple answer, no. Unless you are a tinkerer or live in a cold weather climate and want a really hot hand warmer
Shouldnt overclocking make it slower? The phone throttles itself pretty hard at the slightest heat increase. If the phone was underclocked it would perform better in benchmarks because it wouldnt get throttled.
Besides I never understood the point of overclocking top end things that far exceed the requirements of current applications. Its not like there are any apps that run too slow. I only overclock my computer after it becomes too slow to handle modern tasks.
Let's overclock to 2.5ghz for the hell of it. We need to own the benchmarks.
Joshua3109 said:
I had a sensation before and had to overclock that to make it usable. This phone requires no such thing. I would underclock this to increase battery life because I know it's still going to be just as smooth!
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I had a sensation too, and when that was first released there were threads asking why people felt the need to overclock that.
The dilemma is that clock speed has very small impact on battery compared to the screen, and the wake lock issue that sucks power in your pocket does not help either. so more clock speed appears to contribute very little to total battery usage.
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Undervolted (-100mv) and underclocked to 1.026Ghz, still runs smooth as ever, so my answer would be "No."
And after reading about people getting the red LED of death, I'm not keen to OC even if it was needed. I did so on my GNexus but the CPU in that was terrible IMO.
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Running at 1.026GHz you should be able to undervolt to -400 or more. That's what mine is running at.
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Undervolted (-100mv) and underclocked to 1.026Ghz, still runs smooth as ever, so my answer would be "No."
And after reading about people getting the red LED of death, I'm not keen to OC even if it was needed. I did so on my GNexus but the CPU in that was terrible IMO.
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I think red led of death is caused by stock charger!
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I think red led of death is caused by stock charger!
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I've gotten it without the stock charger and with.
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I want to overclock mine since it doesn't handle NDS emulating (well, one game I want to play) very well.