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Check it out , from minute 1:51 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxeFQ6U4uRM&feature=player_embedded
The iPhone 4 does the same,i wonder what is the reason for that...
darksaber73 said:
The iPhone 4 does the same,i wonder what is the reason for that...
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i read about the iphone doing the same but i have no clue
ya read that too on gsmarena.. hope they fix it by release time.
It isn't a really terrible issue,but i can't help but keep wondering what's the reason for that zoom.
It wasn't solved on iphone 4 so i guess there's a "deep and technical" reason beyond that.
Maybe the 1080p doesn't divide well into the 8 megapixel camera for easy conversion, so they make the viewable area slightly smaller so it is a nice multiple of the 1080p, because the processor can't handle the load otherwise. Shot in the dark.
Could it be that you can't display a full 1920x1080 video in a 800x480 screen?
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MikeyMike01 said:
Could it be that you can't display a full 1920x1080 video in a 800x480 screen?
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i doubt it because you cannot display full 720p either ie 1280x720 but it doesnt crop/zoom that image when you video record..
darksaber73 said:
The iPhone 4 does the same,i wonder what is the reason for that...
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No it doesnt. Double tap your screen and it zooms out.
MikeyMike01 said:
Could it be that you can't display a full 1920x1080 video in a 800x480 screen?
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Naturally it is so and also logical !
How should a 800 x 480 pixel screen show full resolution of 1080 p ? It is not possible physically. Only via HML on the TV-screen You will have full HD res.
troed said:
Naturally it is so and also logical !
How should a 800 x 480 pixel screen show full resolution of 1080 p ? It is not possible physically. Only via HML on the TV-screen You will have full HD res.
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but how can it display 1280x720?
Chad_Petree said:
but how can it display 1280x720?
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1) Scale 1280x720 to 800x480, in which case you get an aspect ratio error of 1% which is more than acceptable.
2) Scale 1280x720 to 800x450 and pad the rest with black bars.
Is that what was asked?
For comparison purposes, my Captivate does this also. 720x480 is zoomed; 1280x720 is zoomed further.
martino2k6 said:
1) Scale 1280x720 to 800x480, in which case you get an aspect ratio error of 1% which is more than acceptable.
2) Scale 1280x720 to 800x450 and pad the rest with black bars.
Is that what was asked?
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450? did you watch the video? the problem seems to be only in 1080p and as far i know 720p and 1080p have the same aspect ratio
Chad_Petree said:
450? did you watch the video? the problem seems to be only in 1080p and as far i know 720p and 1080p have the same aspect ratio
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450 because it will be the same AR. Anyway, apologies. I should have read further back to see what the actual problem behind the discussion was.
Do we know the reason for this? All of the retail units are doing it.
Its simply a lower viewing angle at higher resolutions, its not that uncommon on video recording devices.
not sure I understand?
The youtube video in the OP shows RECORDING, not playback, right?
When it records in 1080p, the screen shows a zoomed in picture.
This is because the phone cannot take raw 1920x1080 video stream from the camera, and at the same time be encoding it as 1080p and saving it to memory, and downscaling that raw 1920x1080 stream to 800x480 to display on screen. This phone is powerful, but not that powerful. Or maybe that youtube video was of not final software.
Yes it's zoomed, and that's a hack to make it possible to record 1080p.
They've basically just cut off the pixels on the side, and are using 1920x1080 pixels from the centre of the camera's sensor.
This way, it doesn't have to process the "extra" pixels on the side, do pixel binning etc. The sensor is decent enough that 1080p still looks crisp at native res.
Rawat said:
Yes it's zoomed, and that's a hack to make it possible to record 1080p.
They've basically just cut off the pixels on the side, and are using 1920x1080 pixels from the centre of the camera's sensor.
This way, it doesn't have to process the "extra" pixels on the side, do pixel binning etc. The sensor is decent enough that 1080p still looks crisp at native res.
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Ahh that is what they were showing Makes sense, just like the iP4 then - thanks for the explanation.
I was just thinking now that the phone should be hitting people's hands soon, it would be good to discuss the best 1080p video to have on the phone when you get the inevitable question from others such as what is the screen like? Or How is it playing movies?
Does anyone have links to stunning videos that we can download and use?
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digitaldw said:
I was just thinking now that the phone should be hitting people's hands soon, it would be good to discuss the best 1080p video to have on the phone when you get the inevitable question from others such as what is the screen like? Or How is it playing movies?
Does anyone have links to stunning videos that we can download and use?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWh9QHCRdZg&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaCTK7DEEJk&feature=related
I think he meant having some demo of HD Videos to show off the quality of the screen. Not videos taken from the phone it self.
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I think he meant having some demo of HD Videos to show off the quality of the screen. Not videos taken from the phone it self.
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That is exactly it!
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dhruvmalik said:
I think he meant having some demo of HD Videos to show off the quality of the screen. Not videos taken from the phone it self.
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Here it is a little
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKQN2hG7z0g&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xbzXbCj_aw&feature=related
A blu-ray rip of any Pixar movie.
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A blu-ray rip of any Pixar movie.
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or Avatar, Benjamin Button, Inception etc.
this is the most stupid thread of all time
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this is the most stupid thread of all time
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lol, looking at youtube "not" HD movies to see if the HD movie on the phone looks ok
This is a very bad example, to trully show the screen quality the videos should be converted at the max resolution of the screen.
Puting bigger resolution videos than the max native screen res will result in pixelation, because the phone then has to convert the video in realtime which is a much worse conversion than first doing it with a decent software and then displaying it on the screen without need for picture rescaling.
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This is a very bad example, to trully show the screen quality the videos should be converted at the max resolution of the screen.
Puting bigger resolution videos than the max native screen res will result in pixelation, because the phone then has to convert the video in realtime which is a much worse conversion than first doing it with a decent software and then displaying it on the screen without need for picture rescaling.
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a voice of reason. I got tired saying this. a good quality 480p (standard resolution) video will play the best on SGS2 , to fully and natively fill the 480x800 screen.
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a voice of reason. I got tired saying this. a good quality 480p (standard resolution) video will play the best on SGS2 , to fully and natively fill the 480x800 screen.
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indeed, ppl see "HD" on screens or phones these days and automatically think it means the screen has 1920*1080resolution
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a voice of reason. I got tired saying this. a good quality 480p (standard resolution) video will play the best on SGS2 , to fully and natively fill the 480x800 screen.
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not to be a **** but isn't 480i standard resolution and 480p the first step towards hd? again could be completely daft but that's my understanding.
like i = interleaved, p = progressive
thus
p > i ?
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not to be a **** but isn't 480i standard resolution and 480p the first step towards hd? again could be completely daft but that's my understanding.
like i = interleaved, p = progressive
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p > i ?
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I would call 480i an interface, not a resolution.
Most standard DVDs (and all modern standard DVDs) have video on them with 480 lines of resolution (480p). Some earlier DVD players (like from 10-15 years ago) could only send that 480 lines of data to TV interleaved (240 lines one frame, 240 next frame). All modern DVDs connected with component or HDMI send the unaltered 480p to the TV.
In phones, you use progressive by design (every frame is shown as full 480 lines of picture)
When you take a 1080p bluray and send that 1080p video to phone straight away, your phone will downconvert 1080p to 480p to show on a 480x800 screen. That downconversion process will produce WORSE resulting picture than a studio-cut original 480p standard DVD.
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I would call 480i an interface, not a resolution.
Most standard DVDs (and all modern standard DVDs) have video on them with 480 lines of resolution (480p). Some earlier DVD players (like from 10-15 years ago) could only send that 480 lines of data to TV interleaved (240 lines one frame, 240 next frame). All modern DVDs connected with component or HDMI send the unaltered 480p to the TV.
In phones, you use progressive by design (every frame is shown as full 480 lines of picture)
When you take a 1080p bluray and send that 1080p video to phone straight away, your phone will downconvert 1080p to 480p to show on a 480x800 screen. That downconversion process will produce WORSE resulting picture than a studio-cut original 480p standard DVD.
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alright that's just how I understood it... that and an xbox 360 running on my old 32 inch tube tv won't give me a resolution higher then 480i lol
Edit: another question though... does 480 lines necessarily mean it's 480p? I though it also had something to do with the post processing done on the monitor as well?
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alright that's just how I understood it... that and an xbox 360 running on my old 32 inch tube tv won't give me a resolution higher then 480i lol
Edit: another question though... does 480 lines necessarily mean it's 480p? I though it also had something to do with the post processing done on the monitor as well?
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If your TV is capable of physically addressing 480 lines on the screen, it DOES have resolution of 480. However if the circuitry can only produce those 480 lines in two passes by 240 lines, each pass showing every other line, then you are seeing 480i picture.
CRT TVs where a ray is used to quickly draw every single line, and that ray is not quick enough to draw 480 lines for every single frame, it would use 480i to show half frame each time.
480 lines for each frame are stored on your DVD. If you connect DVD player to TV with a composite cable you can only pass 480i signal. Same if your TV can only accept composite, or produce interlaced picture.for any reasons (see CRT example above).
With phones, you are not passing signal over any cables, and LCD/oled screens have enough power in the hardware to show all 480 lines at each frame. So you always use P in phones for videos.
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If your TV is capable of physically addressing 480 lines on the screen, it DOES have resolution of 480. However if the circuitry can only produce those 480 lines in two passes by 240 lines, each pass showing every other line, then you are seeing 480i picture.
CRT TVs where a ray is used to quickly draw every single line, and that ray is not quick enough to draw 480 lines for every single frame, it would use 480i to show half frame each time.
480 lines for each frame are stored on your DVD. If you connect DVD player to TV with a composite cable you can only pass 480i signal. Same if your TV can only accept composite, or produce interlaced picture.for any reasons (see CRT example above).
With phones, you are not passing signal over any cables, and LCD/oled screens have enough power in the hardware to show all 480 lines at each frame. So you always use P in phones for videos.
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True but i would like to add that 480i not a simple limitation of CRT, there are hundreds of CRT out there who display resolution of 2048x1536.
The main problem was the bandwidth of the cables themselves and not by the CRT technology.
The 480i is indeed long gone, it was used when analog signals were simply not prepared to output such a high definition, therefor to overcome that situation, tvs were made with an interlaced technology, basically displaying the same frame twice on different vlines of the screen, giving you the illusion that the image was beying displayed at a bigger resolution, even though it wasnt.
So he is correct when he says 480p as a more standard resolution than 480i, especially since we live in 2011 now and Interlaced imo is not really a true resolution.
Think of 1280*720p vs 1920*1080i, alot of ppl would prefer 1280*720p over the interlaced especially since lcds cant handle interlaced outputs as good as crts can.
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I'd just like to point out that I'm not completely retarded.... hell I'm a Computer Systems Engineering Student (what would happen if Electronics Engineering and Software Engineering had a kid) I know how CRT works lol I was just asking out of clarification no need to make a guy feel dumb
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I'd just like to point out that I'm not completely retarded.... hell I'm a Computer Systems Engineering Student (what would happen if Electronics Engineering and Software Engineering had a kid) I know how CRT works lol I was just asking out of clarification no need to make a guy feel dumb
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i dont know how we made you feel dumb, youve asked a question, weve answeared it unbiased, with facts, thats all.
The reason I ask is because all of the tv shows I will watch on this will be in 720p. Movies will be at 1080p at best.
Will the super high resolution of the screen actually work against me, making my media look like crap?
For example, watching something in 480p format on even a 5 inch, 1080p phone screen looks like garbage.
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The reason I ask is because all of the tv shows I will watch on this will be in 720p. Movies will be at 1080p at best.
Will the super high resolution of the screen actually work against me, making my media look like crap?
For example, watching something in 480p format on even a 5 inch, 1080p phone screen looks like garbage.
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Given that it has 2/3 the subpixels as a traditional RGB LCD, and 1/2 the RGB subpixels, I'm not quite convinced it's kill, let alone overkill.
Has the price been confirmed at $600? I was hoping the baseline wifi model would be $500.
Anyway one of my primary use cases is pdf reading so no I don't think the high PPI is overkill. For me it's one the prime selling points along with the S-pen.
inolvidable;IMHO he never said he was buying the tablet with the only purpose of watching videos on it. I think he is just posting a legit concern
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What he said... And I also agree that it's barely kill, much less overkill.
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That's a possibility. You could try a 720p video on the ones for exposure before buying it.
IMHO he never said he was buying the tablet with the only purpose of watching videos on it. I think he is just posting a legit concern
So say we all!! from my GT-I9500
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If you think the current model is overkill on the resolution, then buy the outgoing model with 1280x800 resolution, you can get a 16GB WiFi for $449, but it should drop further.
Nah that's not overkill. The nexus 10 has the same resolution.
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Han Solo 1 said:
The reason I ask is because all of the tv shows I will watch on this will be in 720p. Movies will be at 1080p at best.
Will the super high resolution of the screen actually work against me, making my media look like crap?
For example, watching something in 480p format on even a 5 inch, 1080p phone screen looks like garbage.
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I have the Nexus 10 with the same resolution. It is not overkill. I had the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 and the higher resolution screen is a big step up. I wouldn't go back to a lower resolution tablet ... period. Video looks great on the screen and youtube looks great on the screen. The higher resolution is superb for reviewing photos, web, pdf's/reading ... every thing looks great on the screen. There is absolutely no downside to the screen resolution.
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I have the Nexus 10 with the same resolution. It is not overkill. I had the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 and the higher resolution screen is a big step up. I wouldn't go back to a lower resolution tablet ... period. Video looks great on the screen and youtube looks great on the screen. The higher resolution is superb for reviewing photos, web, pdf's/reading ... every thing looks great on the screen. There is absolutely no downside to the screen resolution.
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Awesome, thanks for your input.
Feel a lot better about pulling the trigger on this thing.
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Wow.
I feel bad for your friends.
And family.
Thanks to the rest of you for not getting twisted panties over a simple question.
I'm definitely picking this up, I'm just wondering about the display. Why do you guys say it's barely kill, much less overkill? I have to admit this is my first AMOLED experience on such a huge screen, so I'm curious, that's all.
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This is a Super Clear LCD screen
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I think just above the "standard" for tablets around this size. To answer your question; no your movies will not look bad.
It doesn't matter that the video material is lower resolution than the screen resolution. What matters is that the higher the pixel density, the clearer the picture. Plus, the 720p material scales perfectly to the Note since it is exactly 4 times the resolution. Video on my Note compared to my 1280 x 800 Transformer Prime screen is like night and day.
It is definitely not overkill.
I think high resolution videos (720p and 1080p) look great on this tablet, 480p looks bad in comparison on any larger screen, especially if you're viewing at close distances even if it didn't have a high resolution. The best thing about the high resolution is reading text.
Hello,
I'm trying to create a good preset in Handbrake for Videos to play on my Nexus 7. Can anyone tell me if I would get better results settings the picture size to 1920 (width) or 1280 (width)?
I know the N7 has a resolution 1920 x 1200 but I want to keep the file sizes reasonable whilst retaining decent HD quality?
I'm guessing that if I were to use 1280 x 720 the video would then be stretched to fill the screen thus making the reduced file size pretty redundnt?
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I'm guessing that if I were to use 1280 x 720 the video would then be stretched to fill the screen thus making the reduced file size pretty redundnt?
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I'm not really following you here.
The screen is 16:10, which means most stuff will run with small to medium sized black bars on the top and bottom of the screen while held in landscape. Old 4:3 AR stuff will have black bars at the sides.
If I personally were to make a trip where I wanted to take a lot of videos and didn't have a lot of storage capacity, I'd resize them to be 720p. Unless I were to output them to a TV later on. 1080p on that screen size, I can't really see the difference.
But my advice to you: try it out. Make some 1080p and 720p encodes and then have someone start a video and you have to try and guess if it is 1080p or 720p. If you guess right 50% of the time, do 720p.
I do all my videos at 720p with Handbrake and they look great on the N7. There is a lot of information out there about encoding settings. It comes down to personal preference and the amount of time you're willing to spend encoding videos.
I do most of my conversions at 720p with handbrake. The settings I change are: 1280 width loose / h.264 .mp4, check large file size if input is > 5GB / 18fps/ aac faacp & ac3 passthru (no need for the two audio tracks unless you use an Apple TV which will only use the 1st track)
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iamtherealmungo said:
Hello,
I'm trying to create a good preset in Handbrake for Videos to play on my Nexus 7. Can anyone tell me if I would get better results settings the picture size to 1920 (width) or 1280 (width)?
I know the N7 has a resolution 1920 x 1200 but I want to keep the file sizes reasonable whilst retaining decent HD quality?
I'm guessing that if I were to use 1280 x 720 the video would then be stretched to fill the screen thus making the reduced file size pretty redundnt?
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On a screen this size you will be fine with 720. I have a 1080p projector and an 84" screen and I only notice a big difference with animated movies such as pixars or DreamWorks in 720 vs 1080.
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mertzi said:
On a screen this size you will be fine with 720. I have a 1080p projector and an 84" screen and I only notice a big difference with animated movies such as pixars or DreamWorks in 720 vs 1080.
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Agreed. Even on my 40" LCD TV, 720p is plenty. So it is certainly enough for a tablet.
The extra resolution on these things is more useful for text based applications IMO. Video is fine at 720p.
I mean, 720p works just fine and all, but when it's docked it basically looks like you're taking a magnifying glass to the screen, as there's like a line between each pixel that's noticeably visible. You don't notice it in handheld obviously due to the size and resolution of that screen, but it can be annoying when it's hooked up into a 22' monitor that's right in front of muh face.
This build of Android is 1080p on the 720p screen & outputs 1080p unless you flash the 720p image.
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I mean, 720p works just fine and all, but when it's docked it basically looks like you're taking a magnifying glass to the screen, as there's like a line between each pixel that's noticeably visible. You don't notice it in handheld obviously due to the size and resolution of that screen, but it can be annoying when it's hooked up into a 22' monitor that's right in front of muh face.
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Those spaces between each pixel are an effect of your display, not of the signal. The screen can't render natively in 720p unless it's a 720p screen, it can only render at its native resolution, which means the space between the pixels is the same no matter what.
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Those spaces between each pixel are an effect of your display, not of the signal. The screen can't render natively in 720p unless it's a 720p screen, it can only render at its native resolution, which means the space between the pixels is the same no matter what.
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My monitor is 1920x1080p. I don't get that effect with my PC or when I have my Switch running normally and hooked into it. Only when in Android mode does it do that.
Jdbye said:
Those spaces between each pixel are an effect of your display, not of the signal. The screen can't render natively in 720p unless it's a 720p screen, it can only render at its native resolution, which means the space between the pixels is the same no matter what.
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You are 100% clueless. This build of Android is 1080p only unless you manually change the resolution with an app or flash the 720p image.
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You are 100% clueless. This build of Android is 1080p only unless you manually change the resolution with an app or flash the 720p image.
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That is completely besides the point. I wasn't talking about the ROM at all because it's irrelevant; it's simply not possible for a lower resolution to cause the effect they're describing.
Yeah LCD have fixed resolution. the space between pixel won't become easier to see when it's taking low resolution feed
The version of android I'm using seems to be 720p regardless of if it's docked or not and 60fps portable but only 30fps docked... I use the app screen resize to force 1080p when docked.
Where can I find the build that auto switches to 1080p when docked?