OK, it's not out yet, but the Vizio VTAB1008 at $349 (Walmart) is just about there. No solid specs yet, although it's likely the same Teg2 specs as all of the HC tabs to date. The main thing I'm looking for is that it has at least one USB port on the tab. Don't want to buy no $150 dock just to get a crummy port!
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/10/vizios-vtab1008-tablet-hits-the-fcc-your-349-slate-now-one-st/
Oh but the TF dock is far from crummy and so much more than a simple USB port. It's a very nice keyboard, extra hours of battery, stand, screen protector, usb ports, SD card slot, trackpad, and simply makes it oh so more functional and looks nicer with it.
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Oh but the TF dock is far from crummy and so much more than a simple USB port. It's a very nice keyboard, extra hours of battery, stand, screen protector, usb ports, SD card slot, trackpad, and simply makes it oh so more functional and looks nicer with it.
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can't agree more..I find the keyboard is very pleasant to use..and the extra battery life rocks!
If you have to pay tax on it, then it's not that much different in price than a non-taxed Transformer off Amazon, Newegg, etc.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the Vizio rocking a TFT screen though.
If this is the same 8 inch Vizio tablet that was shown off earlier in the year, then it's going to be the leader of nothing and probably over priced at $350.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/05/vizio-tablet-hands-on-preview/
In January it was an 8 inch 1024x768 4:3 ratio screen, and this FCC picture also looks 4:3 too. It also only has 4GB of storage and sounds like a single core "1GHz plus" CPU (maybe that means a 1.2 or something).
It did have a cool sounding IR blaster feature.
Between January and now the specs could have changed, hopefully it's at least a Tegra 2 now.
Apparently Acer is having some compatibility issues with it's 7 inch Honeycomb A100 tablet, because of it's lower 1024x600 resolution. And HTC opted for Android 2.3 on it's new 7 inch Flyer. So this Vizio 8 inch could end up with Android 2.3 or something as well.
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I wouldn't be surprised to see the Vizio rocking a TFT screen though.
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Sorry for nitpicking. But all tablets use TFT, PLS and IPS are TFT screens too. The type of TFT panels are TN, VA, IPS, and PLS as some examples. The good tablets like the iPad and Transformer are using IPS. The Galaxy Tab 10.1 uses PLS. Tablets like the Xoom and A500 I suspect are VA panels. And then you have some low end tablets like the G-Tablet and Archos which I think are TN panels.
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Sorry for nitpicking. But all tablets use TFT, PLS and IPS are TFT screens too. The type of TFT panels are TN, VA, IPS, and PLS as some examples. The good tablets like the iPad and Transformer are using IPS. The Galaxy Tab 10.1 uses PLS. Tablets like the Xoom and A500 I suspect are VA panels. And then you have some low end tablets like the G-Tablet and Archos which I think are TN panels.
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Nitpick away but we all know the inference when someone says TFT.
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OK, it's not out yet, but the Vizio VTAB1008 at $349 (Walmart) is just about there. No solid specs yet, although it's likely the same Teg2 specs as all of the HC tabs to date. The main thing I'm looking for is that it has at least one USB port on the tab. Don't want to buy no $150 dock just to get a crummy port!
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/10/vizios-vtab1008-tablet-hits-the-fcc-your-349-slate-now-one-st/
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I mean, it says nothing.
Nothing.
Doesn't even say it has HC, so where are you getting that? And what's the screen? Memory?
Just because we see HC devices doesn't mean every device from now on will be HC.
Let's wait till we actually see some specs first before speculating anything.
If price is REALLY what your concerned about then buy the Viewsonic G-Tab and put Honeycomb on it via XDA. Right now it's $250 through ebay.
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No we don't. We know when he says TN or IPS.
BTW, as only Android tablet with IPS, and with that price, Transformer is really hard to beat. It looks like build quality is its biggest problem, not competition.
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No we don't. We know when he says TN or IPS.
BTW, as only Android tablet with IPS, and with that price, Transformer is really hard to beat. It looks like build quality is its biggest problem, not competition.
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wrong. nook color has IPS display
The Nook Color also has a hideous bezel, lesser hardware, and I'm not sure Honeycomb even runs all that well on it.
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wrong. nook color has IPS display
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Nook is just not comparable with Transformer.
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Nook is just not comparable with Transformer.
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I own both and, while I thoroughly enjoy the Transformer, I quite prefer the Nook with Phiremod CM7. Here are just a few reasons why:
1) CM7 tablet tweaks places (or provides the option for the user to place) the (much more attractive) main menu buttons in the lower right. I'm right-handed and usually am holding the TF with my left. It is comparatively heavy and usually needs a good bit of leverage when held one-handed. Doing so leaves the left unable to work the back, home and menu buttons, so I have to reach across with my right. I have no clue why Google thinks these essential buttons should go on the left and be in the order they're in!
2) Nook color is 7". It's a lot easier to carry around than any 10" tablet; so which one do I throw in my bag when I'm going out? Nook Color. I can even pocket it, if I'm wearing a sport coat.
3) Nook color is infinitely rootable/rommable and unbrickable. I am still running stock TF and, while I haven't experienced any of the many troubles that other XDA users report, I would definitely like to have /some/ degree of control. I'd at least like to run Titanium Backup and tweak the UI. I know I can downgrade, root, flash, etc. But I also know that there will be a one-click solution for 3.1 sooner or later and I'm willing to wait for that. Meantime, I have literally a half-dozen microSD cards with different Nook Color environments loaded on them. Take the card out and *voila* it's a stock Nook e-reader.
At $250, the Nook Color IS the price leader to beat. But that said, it isn't dual-core, it is hard to read full web pages on and it probably will never have successful HoneyComb (though the current ports work about 85% or so).
That's my two cents.
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Hi all,
Not seen a thread about this new tablet from Huawei yet. In the UK it is going to be exclusive to Expansys - http://www.expansys.com/d.aspx?i=199911
A quick list of specs,
- Snapdragon 768MHZ
- 256MB RAM
- MicroSD slot
- 7" 800x480 screen (CAPACITIVE!!)
- Sim card slot, supporting HSPA/UMTS
- WiFi 11b/g/n
- 3.5mm stereo audio jack
- 2mp camera
- 2200mAh battery
Now for me, this seems REALLY good, as an alternative to the iPad. Although it is more than twice as expensive as other Chinese Android tablets, its spec is far superior and because it is made by a reputable company, the quality is likely to be much better than the currently available junk.
At first I thought it was Wifi only without 3G, but now that I found that it has, I am not even going to consider the iPad, especially seeing as HTC has yet to make a tablet anyway. So yep so far it looks really good.
What is not clear, is whether it has GPS and multi-touch.
I am wondering if there is going to be a section for this device over here at XDA Dev?
Thinking about it, isn't 800x480 a bit too low?
I've been looking into this as I'm interested in one.
From what I've read Huawei haven't even released the specifications of this yet - it may even have a resistive screen and looks like it won't be available until August anyway!
If you find any more info on it, let us know!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6979170#post6979170
I think Expansys said they will have it in stock (UK) next week.
But yea, wouldn't put money in yet until there are reviews to read.
If you have a look at this vid, it shows a stylus so it definitely looks as if it's a resistive screen.
http://techpinger.com/2010/06/watch-huawei-smakit-s7-android-tablet-hands-on-and-first-look-video/
But the fingering operation seems too smooth for a resistive screen?
Either way I hope we find out next week!
If it turns out to be just a polished turd then, well the iPad will be on the card again...
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But the fingering operation seems too smooth for a resistive screen?
Either way I hope we find out next week!
If it turns out to be just a polished turd then, well the iPad will be on the card again...
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Yep, it's resistive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQjOMGhuS3k
Don't want an iPad though...
Oh crap!!!
* writes off another device on the list *
She has a nice accent though.
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Oh crap!!!
* writes off another device on the list *
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I'm not sure myself. I'm still considering it - like you say it does have a very responsive screen resistive or not...
Or do you know of any other similar devices to be released soon that have a capacitive screen (not an iPad ) that would be worth looking at?
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She has a nice accent though.
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Yeah, what is it?
The thing is, I have a Toshiba TG01, which at the time was said to have a "really responsive resistive screen", and the reality is that it's nowhere near a real capacitive. In fact even my spare dodgy Samsung Symbian feature phone with a cheapest possible capacitive screen is more responsive.
I wouldn't mind resistive so much on a Windows PC tablet (in fact I have a few, still in use), but on a mobile fingery tablet, it is definitely a deal breaker for me.
One thing that is worth looking at is the Ramos W7. But it has been delayed again and again, and the places that are going to sell it are a bit dodgy... And you know what the usual problems a small Chinese brand could bring. The spec and price point look very nice as a Dell Streak alternative though. I can see myself using it on the toilet a lot, which at the moment an iPod Touch does this particular job for me, if that is not too much detail for you.
God damn it I wish HTC would make one!
I wouldn't buy a tablet with a capacitive screen. Capacitive means no handwriting (with pen), and I want my tablet to replace my old paper notebook. Resistive screens also have much higher accuracy, which could be useful in some applications (like spreadsheets).
My old Touch Pro 2 is working pretty well, despite the resistive screen.
I had a good look at this and was very tempted as i wanted an android tablet it looks very good they say the bad points are
No multitasking and no built in memory,
In the end i went for the Dell Streak and i am glad i did it blows the icrap stuff out of the water
link bellow
http://www.expansys.com/d.aspx?i=199911
nilezon said:
I wouldn't buy a tablet with a capacitive screen. Capacitive means no handwriting (with pen), and I want my tablet to replace my old paper notebook. Resistive screens also have much higher accuracy, which could be useful in some applications (like spreadsheets).
My old Touch Pro 2 is working pretty well, despite the resistive screen.
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Sounds like you are in the market for a PC-tablet rather than a media/entertainment-tablet like the one we are discussing.
I have a few Fujitsu tablets and also had some UMPCs with Windows 7 and resistive tech works very very well on them. Not quite the same case with these iOS/Android tablets though.
I dunno there is no lack of competition for the ipad. Everyone and their brother is releasing numerous models. I personally am partial to ASUS and plan on going that route. I heard they will have 2 versions. A windows OS and an Android OS. Heres some other options
http://mashable.com/2010/01/27/9-upcoming-tablet-alternatives-to-the-apple-ipad/
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Sounds like you are in the market for a PC-tablet rather than a media/entertainment-tablet like the one we are discussing.
I have a few Fujitsu tablets and also had some UMPCs with Windows 7 and resistive tech works very very well on them. Not quite the same case with these iOS/Android tablets though.
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I guess you're right.
I would love a linux powered tablet. An iPad with Ubuntu and a resistive screen.
I've got a OQO 01, but that's not really the same. It's too small.
Do you have any suggestions?
Well, there are a (small) number of netvertibles to choose from. Gigabyte's TouchNote seems to be especially popular and can be had for cheap second hand, but Asus has a new EEE netvertible too. If money was no object, Fujitsu does have a nice range with CULV processors.
They all come with keyboards though. If you are desperate a true tablet, Archos 9 is coming out next week... But I'll be very wary of Archos's quality and support!!
EDIT:
I tried Ubuntu Netbook Remix on one of mine by the way, and in my opinion it is quite unfinished... There are number of problems with device drivers too. Things might have changed since, but I'd rather have something that just works.
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Hi all,
Not seen a thread about this new tablet from Huawei yet. In the UK it is going to be exclusive to Expansys - http://www.expansys.com/d.aspx?i=199911
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I've just been looking around at this again, mainly because it seems that it's going to be the best available Android 2.1 tablet around for a while...
Anyway, it seems as if eXpansys UK were lying about it being exclusive to them because Play.com, Clove Technology, Handtec and others have this for sale too. They're all cheaper than eXpansys too.
Hmm, still thinking about getting one. Anyone else? Forum on XDA for it too?
Expansys has posted their own (obviously positive) review.
http://www.expansys.com/blog/?p=785
But it is more of an advert than a review.
Huawei S7
So I picked up the Cruz Reader, the Cruz Tablet and the Huawei S7 this weekend over at Best Buy, and the only one that I am keeping is the S7. Even with the TFT as opposed to the Capacitive Screen on the Cruz Tablet, the Huawei is better in every regard.
I will be posting more details separately for each device later today, but for right now, I would say don't even bother with the Cruz devices.
I am really curious about the Huawei Ideos S7. I have not seen much video of the actual retail version that is available now at Best Buy. I ordered a Maylong M150, but have been waiting for weeks for it. I know the Huawei is 3 times the price, but 2.1 with actual non hacked market access kinda seems worth it. I am curious about the battery life, though.
I'm really eager to get my hands on a Xoom but the Toshiba tablet is very intriguing as well.
The specs look really good and the thing I love is that it'll have a replaceable battery.
Does anyone know if the Xoom's battery will be easily replaceable?
More info on the Toshiba Tablet here:
http://www.thetoshibatablet.com/
I'm leaning Toshiba
Any news on USB Host on Toshiba...Could I split the Normal Size USB to run both keyboard and Mouse for when i want a normal PC experience?
Also Swear I read or watched somewhere that the mentioned the HDMI was 2 ways, so the Toshiba could be used as a monitor as well? ANYONE?
I did see a youtube video that said it handled the new card types, so it could run 128 gig card even and wasnt limited to 32.
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Also Swear I read or watched somewhere that the mentioned the HDMI was 2 ways, so the Toshiba could be used as a monitor as well? ANYONE?
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I have not read or heard that anywhere.
I'm also interested in this tablet, especially if it is cheaper than the leaked prices of the Xoom.
They don't make 128gb card yet so I don't think that it matters. I wouldn't be mad if someone proved me wrong but I think I'm right.
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Are the Xoom and the Toshiba the only two Honeycomb options at least for the first half of the year?
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Are the Xoom and the Toshiba the only two Honeycomb options at least for the first half of the year?
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Not sure when the LG slate is coming in. Have been hearing Q2 launch from LG...
Im on the fence between these two :-(
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The Toshiba tablet is looking more enticing tonight.
The only thing that scares me with the Toshiba Tablet is the community support. As long as the Xoom isnt totally locked up it should be very popular and have lots of customization done to it rather quickly.
I do not personally trust Toshiba to be giving me updates/etc.
If anything this is pushing me towards the Gtab.. you can pick one up used for 200-250 and it has a pretty large developer community already. Specs wise its good (other than not as good res and terrible viewing angles) I would prefer the Xoom but only time will tell i suppose.
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Are the Xoom and the Toshiba the only two Honeycomb options at least for the first half of the year?
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T-Mo's LG G-Slate coming sound March.
I have my eyes set on Xoom or G-Slate.
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Xoom vs. Toshiba
If the Toshiba Tablet matches the Xoom's hardware and software, and undercuts it in price, the decision will be easy. I'm sure Toshiba will support it fully with updates, etc. Btw, I read somewhere that Toshiba was the largest manufacturer of laptops in the world, so I'm sure their Tab will be a quality product.
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Wow, USB host mode with full size usb port, hdmi port and full SD slot. How did I miss the Toshiba tablet last month? Personally this is my new favorite; naturally there's a lot of unknowns here that could totally sink it, like battery life, screen performance, internal memory, RAM, etc. But being wifi only means a lower price point (I hope!) and I'm already digging the added "full computer" like features that I haven't seen anywhere else. (Notion Ink aside, sorry Adam fans) I never did understand why these tablet OEMs didn't use full size SD cards instead, it's not like they couldn't fit them in and they're soo much cheaper, faster and more reliable (from my experience)
Now if only we knew when Toshiba's would come out. Trouble is that it takes a lot of willpower to not get a tablet (Xoom) when you know that it is available out there
"Spoken like a typical gadget-whore"
Yep, im over the Xoom. Toshiba it is. And if you see some of the videos on youtube a couple of reps quoted the $500 price range
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I find this Toshiba tablet a bit ugly, but hey..who cares. Let's hope it'll be as good as Xoom (in specs), but much cheaper
The Toshiba Tablet is nice, but it is thicker than every other tablet out there excluding the Adam.. I assume this is because of its added peripherals..
Oddly such a minor detail is somewhat irritating to me.
I'm leaning toward the Toshiba for 2 reasons:
1) Price
2) Read the specs page, says "Battery Replaceable? Yep. By screwdriver-savvy people like you."
The latter leads me to believe opening the case isn't going to void your warranty, whereas I can't see Motorola being so consumer-friendly.
Why do you want the possibility to replace the battery by your self?
By the time the battery in XOOM gets old and loses it's power you have already sold and bought a other Tab.
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By the time the battery in XOOM gets old and loses it's power you have already sold and bought a other Tab.
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True dat
After a year, XOOM II will be out.
It's not about wanting to replace the battery, it's about their openness to you opening the case, rather than a "DON'T TOUCH THE INSIDE OF YOUR OWN DEVICE OR ELSE".
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4445/samsung-galaxy-tab-101-review/
Even though it's the 10.1 review, a lot of comparisons between it an the TF101 and iPad2 are drawn. Also some benchmarks and interesting tidbits for those interested.
Galaxy has no MicroSD and no HDMI. So the TF shouldn't even be on it's list of comparison. We're better than that.
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Galaxy has no MicroSD and no HDMI. So the TF shouldn't even be on it's list of comparison. We're better than that.
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TF is twice as thick, and is quite a bit heavier, it's all up to personal preference and what your needs are. If I didn't want a keyboard dock I'd probably shoot for a Galaxy Tab. Saying there isn't a comparison is pretty weak of you, you must be a fanboy.
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TF is twice as thick, and is quite a bit heavier, it's all up to personal preference and what your needs are. If I didn't want a keyboard dock I'd probably shoot for a Galaxy Tab. Saying there isn't a comparison is pretty weak of you, you must be a fanboy.
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If you find 130 grams to be too heavy (the weight of about 2 chocolate bars), then you might as well get the iPod Touch.
My 3 year old has no problems using my TF for extended periods of time. And last I checked, I had no need to slide it under a door - although it will fit.
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If you find 130 grams to be too heavy (the weight of about 2 chocolate bars), then you might as well get the iPod Touch.
My 3 year old has no problems using my TF for extended periods of time. And last I checked, I had no need to slide it under a door - although it will fit.
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Well then why not buy a notebook instead? Twice as thick, heavier but more powerful, cheaper and does more, hey you don't need to slide it under a door anyways so it doesn't matter.
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Well then why not buy a notebook instead? Twice as thick, heavier but more powerful, cheaper and does more, hey you don't need to slide it under a door anyways so it doesn't matter.
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Because I want the features that the TF offers.
Touch Screen
Android
Detachable Keyboard
in addition to HDMI.
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Because I want the features that the TF offers.
Touch Screen
Android
Detachable Keyboard
in addition to HDMI.
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who needs a detachable keyboard when weight doesn't matter? You can get notebooks with touch screens and you can put android on it if you want, you're an idiot lol notebooks are cheaper and more features who cares if they are heaver and bulkier and dont have detachable keyboards you don't need to slide it under a door after all RIGHT?
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who needs a detachable keyboard when weight doesn't matter? You can get notebooks with touch screens and you can put android on it if you want, you're an idiot lol notebooks are cheaper and more features who cares if they are heaver and bulkier and dont have detachable keyboards you don't need to slide it under a door after all RIGHT?
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Show me a notebook with touchscreen that's $399 and has the convertable feature of the TF.
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Galaxy has no MicroSD and no HDMI. So the TF shouldn't even be on it's list of comparison. We're better than that.
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They have (out of stock) adapters for MicroSD and HDMI. LOL
I like my TF much more than my older Galaxy Tab v1 (7 inch). The TF & dock is many times more useful. Main advantage of the GT 7inch is data access plan, but vzw cripples that with useless OS restrictions against free voice/ip, skype, tethering, etc. I can tether the TF to my phone which effectively 100% replaces the GT 7inch.
After months of waiting Samsung/vzw is releasing 2.3.3 for GT 7inch, but I do not have it available yet. Samsung are on their second iteration of accessories. The latest car adapter has USB port for your cable, and the plug itself is 100% proprietary (literally I think there are *no* aftermarket equivalents - that indicate the lightning bolt on the tablet as charging. 2.1 amps is not sufficient). At least Samsung has the proprietary cables to the tablet in stock. It should be the same accessories for the GT 10.1 as 7 inch, with some exceptions.
If Samsung releases s/w updates like Asus, I think these tablets will be comparable. If Samsung falls behind it may suck because Google is going forward very fast.
I like that the Asus and Samsung tablets are physically different because users can choose favorite hardware features, and it is good competition.
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I like that the Asus and Samsung tablets are physically different because users can choose favorite hardware features, and it is good competition.
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This. They will give you the same basic Honeycomb experience, which I hope Google keeps a tight rein on so that they don't end up with the same mess they have on phones. But the hardware is different enough from tablet to tablet to enhance the experience depending on what your needs are.
I've never used the HDMI out on my Evo or my TF, and probably never will. I will likely never get a keyboard dock. I'd like to have a tablet that didn't feel quite as rickety as the TF. But I do want more than 16GB of storage, and that and price trump the sexiness and build quality of the Galaxy to me.
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http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3027365 $329 after $100 coupon.
But anyway...
Itaintrite said:
http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3027365 $329 after $100 coupon.
But anyway...
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Ouch! LOOL!
Guys, I own both. The GT is definitely, hands down, the better tablet. The TF is a better "netbook." As a tablet alone (dockless), the HDMI port and MicroSD does not compensate for the heaviness, size, and inferior quality screen that the TF has. Try it out for yourself. You'll know what I mean.
All in all, if you already have a laptop or a netbook, get the GT. Otherwise, the TF might be a worthy bridge.
Yeah I Plan to use the TF For school and Out of town Trips. I dont own a laptop/netbook so the TF is perfect. Small and Portable. Ive Always Liked Asus too. If the GT 10.1 had a Micro sd card slot then It would been the perfect Tablet but they killed it >,< (Oh and HDMI too)
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Guys, I own both. The GT is definitely, hands down, the better tablet. The TF is a better "netbook." As a tablet alone (dockless), the HDMI port and MicroSD does not compensate for the heaviness, size, and inferior quality screen that the TF has. Try it out for yourself. You'll know what I mean.
All in all, if you already have a laptop or a netbook, get the GT. Otherwise, the TF might be a worthy bridge.
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Dockless, HDMI and MicroSD matter if you'll use them. If you're not going to use them, go with the Galaxy Tab.
Don't dare say they're useless features, or not worth the extra weight and size (very insignificant differences, imo)
The screen on the Galaxy Tab sports a PLS panel, and it is definitely better... Kind of. Color reproduction is worse. Viewing angles are better.
Backlight bleed is just as much of a problem. It's still an edge-lit device.
Although PLS is new, it's still an LCD. Stuck pixels/dead pixels will occur, and quality control won't get all of them.
If you're looking for a tablet, try the GT and the TF, and the iPad 2. It's all about preference If you're looking for a netbook, get a netbook.
As an aside, if you have a good HD television, HDMI is awesome for watching movies, etc. in HD on the tele!
No MicroSD means that it is JUNK. If I wanted a Tablet that does not allow expansion I would have gotten an iPad instead.
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Dockless, HDMI and MicroSD matter if you'll use them. If you're not going to use them, go with the Galaxy Tab.
Don't dare say they're useless features, or not worth the extra weight and size (very insignificant differences, imo)
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Yup it doesnt matter to Samsung user cause its $40.00 for hdmi adapter and $20.00 for the usb adapter.....Kinda silly looking with a Tampon string (hdmi/usb adapter) sticking out of the bottom of the tab.....
I don't have a dock but I went with the TF just for the MicroSD. It's a must. I do wish it was lighter.
seshmaru said:
who needs a detachable keyboard when weight doesn't matter? You can get notebooks with touch screens and you can put android on it if you want, you're an idiot lol notebooks are cheaper and more features who cares if they are heaver and bulkier and dont have detachable keyboards you don't need to slide it under a door after all RIGHT?
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You clearly don't understand the needs of other people.
I have a laptop - I can check my email, weather, news, facebook, twitter and see what the Amazon app of the day is BEFORE my laptop can load a browser... I spent $1400 on the laptop and find my investment in the Transformer for be head over heals better - I need things to be efficient, fast and trouble free and the Transformer provides me with that.
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ThaiM said:
If you find 130 grams to be too heavy (the weight of about 2 chocolate bars), then you might as well get the iPod Touch.
My 3 year old has no problems using my TF for extended periods of time. And last I checked, I had no need to slide it under a door - although it will fit.
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greatest responce ever looooool " slide it under the door hahaha"
samsung 10.1 is more expensive and worthless company behind it, i know i have a galaxy s and never again will i buy from samsung
" weighs the same as 2 coco bars" lmao
I am debating on which to buy. I've been wanting a tablet for awhile now and have slimmed it down to these two options, but would like some feed back if possible.
I'm looking for s-off and root (quickly glancing at the forums, it looks like both are able to achieve this. I like to toy and tinker with things and having a root, with s-off, is a must for this.
Are there any huge differences between the two? I am liking the additional dock available for the Transformer.
Going to post this in the Transformer forum as well. Iconia people, win me over!
The major differences are that the Transformer has that keyboard dock and a slightly better screen, while the Iconia has built-in USB host and slightly better sound.
I personally greatly prefer having the USB host port built into the device rather than in a bulky dock.
ASUS also appears to be doing a slightly better job of providing software updates than is Acer.
I'll be ordering an Iconia on Friday. I have seen both in the flesh and normal use as at work there's 1 guy with an Iconia and 2 with Transformers. The Iconia seems solidly built and no slower than the Transformer on 3.1, and the screens are almost identical. Not to mention the built in USB.
On the other hand both Transformers have been replaced already, one with a strange screen issue that looked like a liquid under the glass when you touched the screen, and one because the case doesn't line up properly - it creaks noticeably if you hold it landscape fashion.
Also I've been buying Acer kit for years (3 laptops and a netbook so far) and the oldest is still going strong after 5 years, no build quality issues in any of the Acer kit i've bought contrary to popular belief, and they've lasted longer than some of the so called premium brands we use at work.
I have a500 and a Transformer so, I think I can answer to your question... If you want my 2 cents opinion, the a500 is way better. I think the screen is more responsive and more brighten. Plus the transformer's screen get incredibly dirty very quickly. The usb thing has no comparison. Just, for example, I bought a cheap silicon keyboard and it works pretty well with the iconia. Same about the mouse. The transformer has just 2 advantages: 1) it's lighter 2) it has a way better microphone. About all the rest it is inferior or equal to the iconia.
If the mic, for you, is a must then buy a Transforemer. If it's not... then buy a a500.
Try both and decide for yourself. You will be happier.
Don't let others do your thinking for you.
If you can, definitely try both as bungaboy suggests, your own preferences may certainly steer you in a different path. In the end it could quite simply come down to something as off-the-cuff as the location of the front-facing camera.
In terms of companies, I currently have an Acer laptop (very happy with) and an Acer monitor (happy with), and have purchased and installed about 6 ASUS motherboards and video cards over time (only 1 less-than-stellar experience with those) so I'd happily recommend either company in general.
Just a quick reply before I go to work. I live in Japan. I don't have a Best Buy here. They have a Iconia A500 at the BX and I've played with it some, but can't compare to the Transformer.
I'll reply back later today when I have more time. Thanks for all the good input!
inifekt said:
Just a quick reply before I go to work. I live in Japan. I don't have a Best Buy here. They have a Iconia A500 at the BX and I've played with it some, but can't compare to the Transformer.
I'll reply back later today when I have more time. Thanks for all the good input!
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Alright. Thanks for all your replies everyone. I am and will decide for myself but since I cannot try out both I was reaching out to the community to give me their pro's and con's so I can weigh them for my own decision.
I'll have to go back to the BX later and play around with the Iconia some more. I didn't really play with the form factor, but what I really like from the Transformer is the keyboard/battery/etc dock. From my understanding it'll be future-compatible too.
why do you like the dock? will you carry with you all the time? if not, pointless. if you want a tab and a keyboard, wait a few more months till the asus eee slide comes out. i got an iconia, and as much as everyone at work bashes me for it, i can do much more than their ipad2
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why do you like the dock? will you carry with you all the time? if not, pointless. if you want a tab and a keyboard, wait a few more months till the asus eee slide comes out. i got an iconia, and as much as everyone at work bashes me for it, i can do much more than their ipad2
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I was going in with the idea of selling my laptop and leaving the dock at home and use while I'm there. And what is the eee slide? I was also looking at the ASUS W7 tablet they have.
Iconia is my preference... cause of USB port.
Is the Iconia capable of good tablet drawing?
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I have a500 and a Transformer so, I think I can answer to your question... If you want my 2 cents opinion, the a500 is way better. I think the screen is more responsive and more brighten. Plus the transformer's screen get incredibly dirty very quickly. The usb thing has no comparison. Just, for example, I bought a cheap silicon keyboard and it works pretty well with the iconia. Same about the mouse. The transformer has just 2 advantages: 1) it's lighter 2) it has a way better microphone. About all the rest it is inferior or equal to the iconia.
If the mic, for you, is a must then buy a Transforemer. If it's not... then buy a a500.
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lol, ignorance is bliss, eh? it is a well known fact that the Transformer screen is the second best android tablet screen on the market right now (after Gtab 10.1) while the Iconia screen is far behind.
OP, just go in store and compare the two side by side with the screen set at max brightness. You'll see the big difference especially when viewing from an angle. The Asus blows the Iconia away in this respect.
my 2 cents:
Asus Transformer
-way better screen (most important feature in a tablet, imho)
-a lot lighter then the Iconia (Iconia is the heaviest Android tablet)
-faster updates
-less freezes & runs smoother
-dock option
Acer Iconia
-USB port (the Transformer only has this on the dock)
-better built? allegedly. (my Asus is also very solid but the Iconia metal back feels stronger)
-better sound
-better camera (with flash)
For me it boils down to needing a USB port or not & to wanting the dock option or not.
If you don't need the USB port, then the Transformed is the obvious choice.
If you do (and don't want to spend the extra $150 for the dock) then go for the Acer.
Also if you really want a better screen and the dock option, again the obvious choice is the TF.
good luck & enjoy your new toy either or!
I just purchased the Iconia myself. But from forum postings of people who have bought both and checked them out, it seems people are generally more satisfied with the Transformer (apart from the people who got bleeding screens).
The guy above summed it up pretty well.
I bought both when the Staples coupon came out (Inconia from staples, TF from Office Depot), and kept them sealed in box for a couple of days while I did my research on which one I wanted to keep.
I spent a couple of hours over a few stores comparing and then read a bunch on forums, etc.
There is really no reasonable argument for Acer screen over the Asus. The TF is brighter and displays more colors, this is a fact, not opinion. I also thought things looked slightly sharper on the TF (perhaps it was due to the better contrast). I did not like the one port pulling all duties and its location (understandable as its for the keyboard as well). I have no intention of using a keyboard with any tab that use (I have laptops for that). The TF design appeals to me more, I like it's shape more.
I chose the Iconia over the TF due to the additional ports, better xda dev support and numerous reports of quality controls issues on the TF. Frankly, the last issue was the biggest factor in my decision.
The one complaint I have about the Iconia is the screen. It leaves MUCH to be desired. I'm not sure if it's a problem with the Iconia or with Android tablet screens in general, but you can easily see individual pixels on the screen if you hold the device closer than usual.
Text also is somewhat blurry, not sure if this is an issue with Android text rendering or with Iconia's screen.
Everything else is great though.
Hi, i'm planning to buy an iconia, but i've read on soms sites that the display can only display 265k colors while other devices have 16million.
Is this true? And if so, do you really recognise it if you compare it directly to another device?
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Yes Plestiuc, ignorance is a bliss... Even not being able to understand what's written is a bliss... and even attention lack is. If you re-read what I wrote, hoping you're able to focus on all the world and not just on random ones... you will notice I wrote: "If you want my 2 cents opinion". If you do not know the meaning of the word: "Opinion", I do suggest you to go back to elementary school.
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even tho the iconia is heavy keep in mind that all of the tablets are to heavy to comfortably hold with one hand for more than 5 min. soo I dont know how much the little wieght difference matters....
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Flussen said:
Hi, i'm planning to buy an iconia, but i've read on soms sites that the display can only display 265k colors while other devices have 16million.
Is this true? And if so, do you really recognise it if you compare it directly to another device?
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In all seriousness, you can't see it. I like the colors on both tablets, and the screen on the transformer is superb. But when I play a movie (the guy at the store let me try a video on the display transformer) I don't notice a difference. The black on the TF is a bit darker, and that's about it.
I didn't think that a built in USB was going to matter to me, but I am actually using it a TON. Thank you so much ACER!
I'm am thinking about getting a 7" tablet. Do you think the Iconia A100 is worth the extra 100 bucks?
The point on the Kindle I'm struggling with is that you don't know now if the custom roms will give you the ICS experience... Without the custom roms, the Kindle will be a piece of crap, because the ecosystem is so limited!
The Iconia will receive an ICS early next year and has all the additional features, everyone wanted to see (camera, BT, micro SD, micro HDMI, Tegra 2, 1 GB ram).
What do you think?
I think the iconia a100 price is coming down. I see that Best Buy has it available online for $250. This is $60 more than the black friday price but still a decrease from the previous $330 price. If you can't wait it is only $50 more than the fire. If you can wait, there are a fleet of other tablets coming out so that price might drop a bit more in the near future.
Had a Black Friday one for less than a day. The terrible viewing angles killed it.
If you plan to spend $300 on a 7" tablet right now I'd suggest the HTC flyer. You can only buy it at Best Buy but it's a single core 1.5 GHz tablet. Has an optional pen that only works in a few apps but that I find quite useful.
In general if you spend more you'll be buying a tablet that has market out of the box, a GPS, vibrator (thought that was gimmicky until I had a tablet with one), more memory both for storage and while running, usually some sort of SDHC card slot, possibly USB host. Quite a bit more feature-wise. You'll be giving up the tight integration with the Amazon ecosystem but everything but the silk browser can be gotten by running separate apps for each feature.
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I returned the a100 after seeing how inferior the screen was to my wifes Fire. My eyes would hurt on the a100. I now have a Fire of my own.
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I agree, the A100 is a nice snappy tablet, but the screen and awful battery life kills it for me, such a shame.
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I agree, the A100 is a nice snappy tablet, but the screen and awful battery life kills it for me, such a shame.
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True. Had mine for a week. Loved the build quality and responsiveness but screen and battery was a deal breaker.
Bit the bullet and rather than compromise on a minimal tab like the KF, got the Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus. Fabulous little tab! Snappy, great battery, HC (ICS coming). Bit pricey but you get what you pay for these days.
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vibrator (thought that was gimmicky until I had a tablet with one)
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A vibrator, you say... well that gives me an idea!
how is the tab? I bought one for my parents as a gift and got a fire for myself? no point in getting a tab for myself when quadrant core tablets are tint around the corner
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Avoid the A100
I looked at it at Best Buy and the screen was horrible. If you slant it on any angle it has this reflective view. It is really bad. I bought the Fire and it is a LOT better. I don't regret it at all.
Wow, I'm surprised by the hate for the A100. I may be coming from a different perspective than most but I like it. I've had a Viewsonic G tablet for a year. It has the same hardware as the A100 and I've found it to run terrifically. The Viewsonic G really does have terrible viewing angles but this never bothers me. I either use it while holding it (and it is easy to hold it with at a good viewing angle) or I put it in a case with a kickstand. I almost never hold where I'm trying to look at it from odd angles. I guess from that background I find the A100 screen to be way more viewable. Maybe the Kindle Fire has an amazing screen (I don't know) but I have no issues with the A100 screen.
For comparison, both have 1GHz, duel core processors but the A100 has double the RAM. The Fire doesn't have an sd card slot so you are locked into 8 GB but the A100 does have an sd card slot so when you start building up a movie and music collection you can swap out cards. The A100 has a good GPS in it so you can use it for offline navigation while the Kindle does not. The Kindle doesn't have a microphone while the A100 does. I've used Groove IP and it creates a nice VOIP phone but you might want to use headphones for this or you will look a little silly holding the A100 to your ear (LOL).
I really think it depends on what you want to do with it. I like using the Amazon App Store but it is limited in its selection so it is nice having both markets on the A100. From my perspective, if you want a full featured tablet I'd get the A100. If you want a more closed system that keeps things simple but is optimized for media content (except for the 8 GB limit) then I'd get the Fire. The closed system approach is very Apple-esk so I see the Fire as the cheap version of the iPad. Then the question becomes do you want the smaller screen for the (much) cheaper price?
Also, just a note about the Samsung Galaxy Plus. The Plus looks like an awesome tablet. The A100 is definitely a lesser qualified tablet in comparison. I got the A100 for $190 so it fit into my price range and I wanted a full functioning tablet. But if I were willing to spend $400 for a tablet I'd definitely get the Plus.
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Wow, I'm surprised by the hate for the A100. I may be coming from a different perspective than most but I like it. I've had a Viewsonic G tablet for a year. It has the same hardware as the A100 and I've found it to run terrifically. The Viewsonic G really does have terrible viewing angles but this never bothers me. I either use it while holding it (and it is easy to hold it with at a good viewing angle) or I put it in a case with a kickstand. I almost never hold where I'm trying to look at it from odd angles. I guess from that background I find the A100 screen to be way more viewable. Maybe the Kindle Fire has an amazing screen (I don't know) but I have no issues with the A100 screen.
For comparison, both have 1GHz, duel core processors but the A100 has double the RAM. The Fire doesn't have an sd card slot so you are locked into 8 GB but the A100 does have an sd card slot so when you start building up a movie and music collection you can swap out cards. The A100 has a good GPS in it so you can use it for offline navigation while the Kindle does not. The Kindle doesn't have a microphone while the A100 does. I've used Groove IP and it creates a nice VOIP phone but you might want to use headphones for this or you will look a little silly holding the A100 to your ear (LOL).
I really think it depends on what you want to do with it. I like using the Amazon App Store but it is limited in its selection so it is nice having both markets on the A100. From my perspective, if you want a full featured tablet I'd get the A100. If you want a more closed system that keeps things simple but is optimized for media content (except for the 8 GB limit) then I'd get the Fire. The closed system approach is very Apple-esk so I see the Fire as the cheap version of the iPad. Then the question becomes to you want the smaller screen for the (much) cheaper price?
Also, just a note about the Samsung Galaxy Plus. The Plus looks like an awesome tablet. The A100 is definitely a less qualified tablet. I got the A100 for $190 so it fit into my price range and I wanted a full functioning tablet. But if I were willing to spend $400 for a tablet I'd definitely get the Plus.
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I have to say that the A100 screen looks really nice if you hold it in landscape with the home button to your right. The sucking starts when you use it in portrait. If you view it head-on in portrait, the image tends to look good when you view it from your left eye but becomes dark and inverted when you look through your right. The effect is really distracting.
I also bought the a100 on black Friday and I agree with everyone here, horrible viewing angles and poor battery life but to me the other features outweigh the cons. HDMI out, SDcard slot, and of course Honeycomb. I'd rather have a close to desktop like OS than a more locked down OS like the Kindle Fire. But if you don't mind that the Kindle Fire has excellent build quality and screen.
lcd swap???
I just bought one also on black Fri. ($189) .
I have to agree though the panel is pretty horrible, wonder if we could find a better LCD to swap with..
Is the kindle fire`s LCD the same res and dimensions . Might be willing to take apart my iconia for that.
Though we do not know if we can find a panel with the same exact ribbon connector.
The Fire has IPS and over just better screen quality, IDK the general specs on the a100 screen but as far as I know in general the Fires screen is specs wise superior
I was still set on getting the iconia even after hearing about the screen...until I got to Best Buy and tried it out for myself. I got the Kindle.
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GiageJoe said:
Wow, I'm surprised by the hate for the A100. I may be coming from a different perspective than most but I like it. I've had a Viewsonic G tablet for a year. It has the same hardware as the A100 and I've found it to run terrifically. The Viewsonic G really does have terrible viewing angles but this never bothers me. I either use it while holding it (and it is easy to hold it with at a good viewing angle) or I put it in a case with a kickstand. I almost never hold where I'm trying to look at it from odd angles. I guess from that background I find the A100 screen to be way more viewable. Maybe the Kindle Fire has an amazing screen (I don't know) but I have no issues with the A100 screen.
For comparison, both have 1GHz, duel core processors but the A100 has double the RAM. The Fire doesn't have an sd card slot so you are locked into 8 GB but the A100 does have an sd card slot so when you start building up a movie and music collection you can swap out cards. The A100 has a good GPS in it so you can use it for offline navigation while the Kindle does not. The Kindle doesn't have a microphone while the A100 does. I've used Groove IP and it creates a nice VOIP phone but you might want to use headphones for this or you will look a little silly holding the A100 to your ear (LOL).
I really think it depends on what you want to do with it. I like using the Amazon App Store but it is limited in its selection so it is nice having both markets on the A100. From my perspective, if you want a full featured tablet I'd get the A100. If you want a more closed system that keeps things simple but is optimized for media content (except for the 8 GB limit) then I'd get the Fire. The closed system approach is very Apple-esk so I see the Fire as the cheap version of the iPad. Then the question becomes do you want the smaller screen for the (much) cheaper price?
Also, just a note about the Samsung Galaxy Plus. The Plus looks like an awesome tablet. The A100 is definitely a lesser qualified tablet in comparison. I got the A100 for $190 so it fit into my price range and I wanted a full functioning tablet. But if I were willing to spend $400 for a tablet I'd definitely get the Plus.
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I am really not seeing why all the hate for the A100 either..how exactly are you people looking at this thing? I have no problem with the "viewing angle" because im staring straight in front of the screen! This looks fine to me. Not sure why i would hold it from an angle. Plus the usb, hdmi, sd slots do it for me over the kindle fire, with the addtion of android market...to say the thing is "horrible" is overkill
Well, if you could afford the extra 100 bucks, then why should you turn to the Acer Iconia A100? There are many products you can choose, HTC flyer, Tab...
To me, I would like to go for a Kinlde fire, as the warranties and the lighted cover they offer, and I read the comparison between iPad and kindle fire in iFunia, think the Kindle fire is worthy investing
I owned the Acer for a short time. I think the screen and battery make me prefer the Fire. The Acer is a full tablet experience, but I guess they aren't features I need on a 2nd tablet. if I needed a deluxe 7" I'd spend the bucks for the Galaxy Tab, it destroys the Acer.
I was introduced to the Acer Iconia after I purchased my Kindle Fire.
The hardware seems nice; cameras, bluetooth, HDMI out, etc...
Everything my Android phone has and I thought this is interesting especially for only $50.00 more...
Then I saw how the Acer gets charged... and I'm glad I got the Kindle Fire because I can use the same charger for the Fire as I can for my Epic 4G Touch!
Still looks like a nice tablet though