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[INFO] Asus could have an ipad killer here

If Asus can keep up the speed they're showing so far in addressing issues, smoothing out bugs and adding new features. I do belive Transformer can grab a lot of money out of Apple's hands.Even my ipad devotee friends are seriously impressed with the kind of support Asus is throwing down here, truly raising the bar.

I dont know. First off, they gotta actually make enough tablets to sell. Second, the ipad has sold millions. The xoom about 200k... that's a pretty big gap.

Its quite possible but Asus must get serious about quality control.

Raised the bar?
Raised the bar on support? I think that's being very generous to them. So far, I've been using a product where half of it doesn't work at all, and the other half crashes every half an hour or so.
This was absolutely unfit to be released and makes me wish I'd gone with a windows tablet instead. The drivers provided by asus are so far terrible and the software provided by google is immature.
The only reason I'm sticking with it is that Asus has a good attitude toward their customers and I'm confident they will resolve the issue quickly. As it stands I'm embarassed to show this product to anyone.

My 2 cents is the iPad sales will be impacted not by a particular Android table, but by the fleet of Android tablets coming to market. This how Android overtook Apple in the cell phone market. While there are certain people that will always buy the Apple product, when there a dozen other models in different sizes and with unique features (like the docking ability of the transformer) it becomes hard to settle for the iPad.
With that said, it would be great to see Apple come out with a docking station for the iPad. That would validate the concept and create other tablet/notebook combos in the Android space.

midimaker said:
Raised the bar on support? I think that's being very generous to them. So far, I've been using a product where half of it doesn't work at all, and the other half crashes every half an hour or so.
This was absolutely unfit to be released and makes me wish I'd gone with a windows tablet instead. The drivers provided by asus are so far terrible and the software provided by google is immature.
The only reason I'm sticking with it is that Asus has a good attitude toward their customers and I'm confident they will resolve the issue quickly. As it stands I'm embarassed to show this product to anyone.
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i'd think embarassed is a bit of a stretch.....

midimaker said:
Raised the bar on support? I think that's being very generous to them. So far, I've been using a product where half of it doesn't work at all, and the other half crashes every half an hour or so.
This was absolutely unfit to be released and makes me wish I'd gone with a windows tablet instead. The drivers provided by asus are so far terrible and the software provided by google is immature.
The only reason I'm sticking with it is that Asus has a good attitude toward their customers and I'm confident they will resolve the issue quickly. As it stands I'm embarassed to show this product to anyone.
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Have you updated your firmware yet? The latest FOTA has fixed issues for many people.
Folks who buy 1st release hardware have to have a lot of patience as early adopters are guinea pigs, we spot all the problems so that the OEM can fix them. In return we get the joy of having the hardware first, of getting to know it inside and out and the pride of knowing that we've hopefully contributed to making it a better product for untold numbers of fellow consumers.
Also, how much research did you do before you bought? What are your portable system needs? If in fact your needs would have been served better by a Windows tablet why did you chose one running the Honeycomb OS which is acknowledged by all to be in its infancy?
Thus far, Asus has been listening ,communicating with members here,firmware updates are being rolled out pretty quickly to fix issues.
I'm very pleased with my purchase & proud of my new tablet

midimaker said:
As it stands I'm embarassed to show this product to anyone.
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Wow, I'd never be embarrassed to show a product to someone. Honestly, I couldn't care less what other people think about my purchases. If I like it, that's good enough for me.
Oh, and I love my TF, so...

Geekbabe said:
Thus far, Asus has been listening ,communicating with members here,firmware updates are being rolled out pretty quickly to fix issues.
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Absolutely. The Xoom still doesn't have a functioning microSD card slot, even though they're the Google Experience device (perhaps informally at this point). Sure, they got 3.1, but that's only because Motorola was first--which they achieved by putting out a tablet with far less functionality than the TF.
My Xoom will be going back to Costco soon, and one of the biggest reasons is that Motorola has been sooooo slow in updating it.

Asus updates are great but its still falls well short of the ipad perfected UI.
Once Tegra 3 hits things should start to even out.

Completely agree about Motorola being slow to update. In general I have a Droid X, i am super unsatisfied with the quality of their software. Thats one of the reasons I sterred clear of the Xoom. There are many ther reasons as well, but thats a big one.

I really don't think it's unreasonable as a customer to buy a computer with a keyboard and expect it to work
I researched this a lot. The lack of bloat on android as opposed to windows makes for a good platform with good battery life and it runs citrix really nicely which is great for work. The reviews were positive and sure any niggles would be resolved by launch. Great I thought.
Sadly it wasn't to be. I've updated to the latest website ww. Firmware but no ota as yet

SonicTab said:
Asus updates are great but its still falls well short of the ipad perfected UI.
Once Tegra 3 hits things should start to even out.
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You do realize that Apple has had like 4 years to perfect iOS, right? This is the first iteration of Honeycomb, and it's much more an OS issue (Google) than it is a hardware issue (Tegra 2/Asus).

SonicTab said:
Asus updates are great but its still falls well short of the ipad perfected UI.
Once Tegra 3 hits things should start to even out.
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A Processor/Graphics chipset doesn't = perfected UI. Honestly I prefer the UI of Android to iOS because it is customiseable. To me Android 3.0 has exceeded iOS in terms of ease of use and more. My biggest gripe with iOS is that it is so simple it can be difficult. Settings and tricks are hidden from the average user and aren't that easy to use, like the Multitasking. To close an open program/switch to one fast it isn't easy like it is on Android.
Either way Tegra 3 just means more power for games and more, not a perfect UI.
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SonicTab said:
Asus updates are great but its still falls well short of the ipad perfected UI.
Once Tegra 3 hits things should start to even out.
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Until Hardware acceleration is implemented in all parts of the UI you will not have a completely silky smooth experience unless you throw lots of horsepower at it, which just equals wasted battery. It's the software that needs to be updated. Android 3.1 is supposed to bring video acceleration which is needed to get the most out of the newest flash updates. From the reviews it also sounds like hardware acceleration was implemented in the launcher as well.

midimaker said:
I really don't think it's unreasonable as a customer to buy a computer with a keyboard and expect it to work
I researched this a lot. The lack of bloat on android as opposed to windows makes for a good platform with good battery life and it runs citrix really nicely which is great for work. The reviews were positive and sure any niggles would be resolved by launch. Great I thought.
Sadly it wasn't to be. I've updated to the latest website ww. Firmware but no ota as yet
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My point to you is this, why would you chose to buy a 1st release piece of hardware running an OS that's still under development if you needed a rock solid,proven stable system for work? The fact that Honeycomb is still lacking is pretty well known, even the most casual of Google searches turns up tons of reviews complaining about how undeveloped the OS is.It would stand to reason that ANY tablet running this OS is going to be subject to it's limitations at this point and the bugs that go along with it.
I'm sorry for your troubles and hope the OTA update fixes your issues or that you'll be able to return your TF for a full refund and be able to get the windows tablet that will better serve your immediate needs.

No way is this close to an apple killer. Neither is all of the android tablets combined. Apple is the king of the tablet marketplace and android is the queen. Good thing they are both at the top though. Oh...i have a TF on the way and cant wait...not too impressed with ipads.

cochese135 said:
No way is this close to an apple killer. Neither is all of the android tablets combined. Apple is the king of the tablet marketplace and android is the queen. Good thing they are both at the top though. Oh...i have a TF on the way and cant wait...not too impressed with ipads.
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I'd agree, the TF isn't an iPad killer. What Apple excels at making are "stupid-proof" consumer electronics. They are designed to be easy to use and stable. This stability comes at a cost, however. Apple products are locked down primarily to provide this stability. There is a solid market for Apple's equipment. If you were buying a tablet or smart phone for your elderly mother/father or recommending something for technologically challenged boss, iPad or iPhone is a great choice because it will just work.
Personally, I prefer the Android tablet because it doesn't have the lock down and is what I consider more "open". I have the TF and love it. I love that I don't have to use iTunes and I love that I can plug in a micro SD card if I want. I love that I can plug it in and actually access the data via computer and I love the form factor of the device. Oh, I also love the money I saved!! I'd put it up against an iPad any day for someone who understands the occasional FC and someone who has the patience to understand what we're dealing with. It's faster, more powerful and has the potential to do MORE than the iPad will ever be able to do.
iPad killer? Not likely. Solid competitor? ABSOLUTELY! Options are a wonderful thing.

cochese135 said:
No way is this close to an apple killer. Neither is all of the android tablets combined. Apple is the king of the tablet marketplace and android is the queen. Good thing they are both at the top though. Oh...i have a TF on the way and cant wait...not too impressed with ipads.
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Apple is sumed up in these words brilliant marketing average product
sent from my LEE Pad Transformer........I wish

midimaker said:
As it stands I'm embarassed to show this product to anyone.
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After reading that i couldn't help but laugh, i was buying an SD card for it and the guy at the store wanted to know what i was using it on. When i told him, he asked if i had it with me and if he could try it out; another employee came over right away to see.

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Do you see the huge difference in viewing counts between SGT 10.1 and Asus transformer in forums? Although SGT is a better product it seems that Transformer is more popular. I wonder why.

I'm sure it is the fact that the dock and sd support right out of the gate had something to do with it. Not to mention that a lot of folks already had experience with eee products and people tend to lean toward more comfortable environments when given options. I swore off Asus after my last few laptops. Their quality dropped off and the screens were the worst I had had in years. Bad screen=bad experience for me.

Price. Solid tablet.

peare said:
Do you see the huge difference in viewing counts between SGT 10.1 and Asus transformer in forums? Although SGT is a better product it seems that Transformer is more popular. I wonder why.
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I wouldn't say the Sgt is a better product, just a different product. The Sgt is a tablet in it's purest form, whereas the Transformer is more of a hybrid between a tablet/netbook. Your requirements will determine is the best product for your needs.
Regards,
Dave

Transformer has been out a lot longer.
Also initially it's a lot more tempting. $100 cheaper tempts a lot of people, not many have seen the build quality reviews, nor have they seen that Asus is heavily backordered on all accessories, even simple critical stuff like sync/charge cables. Lose/damage your cable and you're screwed.
Samsung has the same proprietary cable problem as Asus, but at least there is availability of replacements, not just from Samsung but from third parties.
This was the main reason that drove me away from the Transformer.

Aaron636r said:
Price. Solid tablet.
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Exactly, cheaper product in more hands
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Lets not forget that the Tab 10.1 isn't even available in all markets yet either (it's still a month off for Canada, for instance).

Look at it this way... People come to forums primarily to complain and get solutions to problems. If they're getting more posts it may not be a good thing.

TabGuy said:
Look at it this way... People come to forums primarily to complain and get solutions to problems. If they're getting more posts it may not be a good thing.
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+1 on this. I hate to say it, but that's what brought me back here. It had been so long since I had posted in the forum I couldn't rememer my account password. I had to open a new one. It's all good. I needed to be more social. I usually just get the info I need without posting. Plenty of people asking the same questions more than once on these forums. Hence the read forums only on my part. That and I can come across rather harsh sometimes so, i keep it to myself. But, over the years I have learned more people generally mean more problems.

T120ted said:
But, over the years I have learned more people generally mean more problems.
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It's only partially true though - more people often also means more popular/widespread too. If it didn't, by post count alone, the Huawei Ideos X7, Notion Ink Adam, and Advent Vega would clearly be the tablets with the least issues!
Regards,
Dave

Another factor is that many generic Android questions get answered in the earlier forums and become more device specific in the newer (latest device) forums.

BS article, we should all email eweek/Ziff Davis and complain

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and...in-HP-TouchPad-on-the-Extinction-List-691746/
If you can't get to the link somehow, this is what [email protected] had to say (dated today) about why our Iconia should be on the extinction list. I'll let you spot the multitude of BS. If you get a chance, email him and tell him to do some research before he opens his mouth on the 'net.
"It’s hard to find too many worthwhile features in the Acer Iconia Tablet that can’t be found in other devices. The slate comes with a 2-megapixel camera, a dual-core Tegra 2 processor, and a 10.1-inch display. However, it’s running Android Honeycomb 3.0—an issue for those looking for the more-reliable Android 3.1. Combine that with the fact few people even know about the device, and it might not be long before the $400 tablet fades from the market."

What an uninformed asshole.

so sales numbers is the only thing he equates to a good product, well then the ford focus must be one of the best cars on the road

Why bother? Clearly he is an Apple Fanboi. He slammed every major player in the Android Tablet Market.

Easy fun happyness
Just read the last 50 articles he had posted. Quite obvious who is getting a check from whom.
Or perhaps his outdated and silly info is a true "review", right? Too bad many people will be fooled into letting a "review" like this influence their choice of tablets to purchase.

Xnine1964 said:
Why bother? Clearly he is an Apple Fanboi. He slammed every major player in the Android Tablet Market.
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Google the name and go to page two and it starts to make much more sense

For real
Check out this article - android 2.2 vs. Ios. http://tinyurl.com/237lz3f
Lmao

i hate fanboyism at its finest. I do not like apple but damn i at least respect what they have done.

Honestly, why would we care what some dude says about the Iconia.
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I wonder how someone so misinformed about so many products is still allowed to write about them.
This really makes you wonder what the editor of this publication does all day, this all falls back in his lap.

PapaTim said:
I wonder how someone so misinformed about so many products is still allowed to write about them.
This really makes you wonder what the editor of this publication does all day, this all falls back in his lap.
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that's called Free Speach
What an idiot, though, such an easy job/money for him.

eWeek needs to just change their name to biweekly and be honest about it.

Load of BS. Obviously XDA folks are clued in to the merits our A500 or whatever. Whatever happened to reliable journalism? I love my A500 - it serves my needs perfectly and latest ROMs for Android 3.2 show promise to make A500 an iPad killer.
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I took it a step further and emailed eweek's editor [email protected]:
In reference to http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and...in-HP-TouchPad-on-the-Extinction-List-691746/ - Enterprise Mobility: 10 Tablets That Should Join HP TouchPad on the Extinction List
I have got to say this article is riddled with technological errors that make me wonder if a) anyone fact checked Mr. Reisinger's work and b) did he even use any of these products before his apparent bias declared that they should die?
Case in Point the Acer Iconia Tab 1/11 in this article:
"It’s hard to find too many worthwhile features in the Acer Iconia Tablet that can’t be found in other devices. The slate comes with a 2-megapixel camera, a dual-core Tegra 2 processor, and a 10.1-inch display. However, it’s running Android Honeycomb 3.0—an issue for those looking for the more-reliable Android 3.1. Combine that with the fact few people even know about the device, and it might not be long before the $400 tablet fades from the market."
The only thing right here is the name, the processor front camera, and the display size. His argument seems to hinge on the fact that it's running Honeycomb 3.0?? Despite the fact like every android tablet - they all shipped with 3.0 and were quickly upgraded to 3.1 and 3.2 - just like the Acer Iconia was upgraded over 3 months ago. The Tablet sports 2 cameras, just like the iPad - and just like the iPad has a lower resolution front camera, but at 2-megapixal in the front and 5 in the back it's still got better resolution than the ipad2 - so I'm unclear why the camera is anything but a postive. He doesn't even discuss any of the tablet's unique features like being the only Andorid tablet in his list that sports a full size usb connection or its rave reviews across the web including Ziff Davis' own PC Magazine which gave it a good rating in April of 2011. The fact that the a500 has been outselling more "well known" tablets like the Motorola Xoom should say that in fact there are a few more people who know about this tablet than Mr. Reisinger's leads on.
It is my hope that after an editorial review of this article it can be corrected to at least include the facts, not just blind rambling from someone who obviously isn't a fan of Android tablets.
Regards,
David
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entropy.of.avarice said:
Google the name and go to page two and it starts to make much more sense
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I understand.
Top 5 reasons Don Reisinger sucks:
1. Because he does
2. Because he really does
3. Because he really, really does
4. Because he really, really,really does
5. Because his mother abandoned him as a child in a Starbucks with a sign attached that said "He sucks"
Just saying.

What a tool, well I sent him an email anyway, not like it could penetrate his brain.

Wow, that guy is a complete asshat. i emailed him, for what good it will do. I'm sure his reign of douchebaggery will continue unabated. I mean, he is entitled to his opinion, no matter how wrong, but at least hire a fact-checker or possibly just read the listed specs on the manufacturer's website before spouting such verbal feces.

I've also emailed this assclown (cc'd to his editor). I take issue not only with his options and mis-information regarding the Iconia, but with the article as a whole. I realize that editorials are opinionated, but that doesn't release a journalist from being honest and fair.
For starters, there his blatent opinion that 7" is too small for a tablet. I cannot see how millions in combined sales can possibly be disregarded as "redundant". AFAIK, the Galaxay Tab 7 is still the best selling non-Apple tablet to date. They still seem to be in solid demand now, with even the resale value holding up in the 75% or better range (at least in the Toronto area). As someone in the tech sale industry, at least half of non-Apple tablet sales I see are 7" devices.
Also, dismissing yet to be released products, i.e. the Cisco Cousin, is just rediculous.
Plus, the article is riddled with factual inaccuracies and misleading statements.
Lastly, I take issue with his dismissal of Asus as a non-"mainstream" company. The Eee PC defined the netbook market. You would be hard pressed to find a consumer who has shopped for a netbook who HASN'T heard of Asus.
I expect more journalistic integrity from a Ziff-Davis publication, but perhaps I'm living in the past.
Sent from Vera, my Iconia A500; All dressed up going places!

Wow that was funny! Seems the only tablet allowed to live is the one with the least features. The writer might just be mentally challanged, but whoever published that should be more responsible to the readers. Freedom of speach should not be an excuse for bad journalism.
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BrianDigital said:
so sales numbers is the only thing he equates to a good product, well then the ford focus must be one of the best cars on the road
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Well put.
I guess that makes the A500 a sleek sports car to the Ipad's Dodge Neon-like sales numbers.
I wrote a scathing reply to Ziff Davis, critical of the article and rebutting the claims. It will probably go straight to the trash folder, but its worth a shot.

Galaxy Tab not selling so well.

http://www.itproportal.com/2011/09/...-figures-only-20k-sold-until-now-says-lenovo/
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To be honest with you, the pressure implied by Apple on Samsung's Tabs are making a serious blow to their reputation. You know that it might not be true but in consumers' eyes no one would generally opt for a product which has patent issues regardless of how good it is.
The reason TF being such a success is because it's a fresh, innovative idea which emerged into the market out of the blue with a solid spec sheet and an extremely attractive price tag for the mass.

Another example which illustrates that people just aren't look for android tablets. Especially not in the price range they are selling for.
I can't wait for the galaxy tab $99 fire sale! LOL

Also note that they are talking about last year, not the current galaxy tabs.

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Also note that they are talking about last year, not the current galaxy tabs.
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Strange that they`re showing a photo of the galaxy tab 10.1 with this story. Bit misleading.
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Well the TF still tops Android tablet sales so far.

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Well the TF still tops Android tablet sales so far.
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That depends on if hackers can get Android fully working on the HP Touchpad... HP has sold more touchpads than transformers.
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EP2008 said:
That depends on if hackers can get Android fully working on the HP Touchpad... HP has sold more touchpads than transformers.
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Pre or post fire sale? Just about any major Android tablet selling for $99 would get such response. Transformer, Galaxy Tab, Iconia, etc.
So that's not really a valid comparison (at least in my opinion).

Even though the TF is an entirely fresh new idea with a very solid spec sheet, it's not making such a big splash in the media world. Most people don't know about it. Google isn't paying attention to it. Google's star product is the galaxy tab for whatever reason.
It's kinda sad, really, that such a fine product as is the TF is not being noticed that much.

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That depends on if hackers can get Android fully working on the HP Touchpad... HP has sold more touchpads than transformers.
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Actually, I have to ask: where are you getting the information that HP sold more TouchPads than Asus has Transformers? I'd say HP sold a few hundred thousand TouchPads (say, 100K - 300K, MAYBE as many as 500K, but that's being really generous). There was the perception of really high sales, sure, but that comes from the hype generated by one of the stupidest decisions in modern marketing history.
Looking at Asus' shipping numbers and given that the Transformer is pretty much selling every bit of inventory they ship, I'd say they've sold at least 1 million Transformers. At a profitable price, I might add.
There's no way HP has sold more TouchPads.

Seems high to me but according to this article 800 to 900K Touchpads sold sold far. Another 100K in process.
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20110901PD218.html

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Pre or post fire sale? Just about any major Android tablet selling for $99 would get such response. Transformer, Galaxy Tab, Iconia, etc.
So that's not really a valid comparison (at least in my opinion).
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There are MANY budget android tablets for under $150... their sales are terrible. People simply don't want android tablets - I'm talking "everyday people", not geeks. The sales of ipads should clearly illustate this as Apple can sell more ipads in a day than Android tablet manufacturers can sell in a quarter.
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Seems high to me but according to this article 800 to 900K Touchpads sold sold far. Another 100K in process.
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20110901PD218.html
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Digitimes has never been a very credible source as far as I'm concerned... I just don't accept that this many TouchPads have been sold. Not that it matters if they did, it's just I don't buy it. I think we'd be seeing 100's of thousands of app downloads being trumpeted over at Precentral if that were the case.

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There are MANY budget android tablets for under $150... their sales are terrible. People simply don't want android tablets - I'm talking "everyday people", not geeks. The sales of ipads should clearly illustate this as Apple can sell more ipads in a day than Android tablet manufacturers can sell in a quarter.
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Certainly, the iPad is a phenomenon. I don't consider it a case of a technology selling, but rather some kind of consumer cultural craze. The hype that Apple gets certainly helps, along with the constant meme that the iPad is the only device that's selling.
The latest Android numbers show about 2.5 million Honeycomb devices in service. This really isn't that bad when you consider how new Honeycomb is and how poorly priced the earliest Honeycomb tablets were. The Transformer was really the first device that was both compelling and priced correctly, and I think its sales show that.
If the tablet market is viable at all, I think we'll see Android tablets follow phones fairly quickly. If the tablet market is just a flash in the pan, then the iPad will eventually fall off as well. But it's still too early to make any sweeping generalizations about this market, and it drives me crazy when people do so. It's like they can't remember how Android was a minor player 18 months ago, and everyone was saying then about the iPhone what they're saying now about the iPad.

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I think we'd be seeing 100's of thousands of app downloads being trumpeted over at Precentral if that were the case.
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Not true. I believe hp said that app downloads have increased 5x since the firesale, but you have to keep in mind that there was a survey done which apparently showed that most people download and use a very minimal amount of apps on their tablets... It was a crazy low number as far as I was concerned, but apparently, many people are happy just using stock apps. My wife has an android phone and she sticks to almost all stock apps... N00b! LOL

Gtab 10.1
I returned my Galaxy Tab the day Touchwiz rolled out and bought the Asus with dock instead. No regrets, though the Galaxy Tab 10.1 had a really wonderful official case which I miss.

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There are MANY budget android tablets for under $150... their sales are terrible. People simply don't want android tablets - I'm talking "everyday people", not geeks.
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I have to strongly disagree with this. Have you seen, held or tried out these 100$-150$ android tablets?
No one wants one of these because they are ****. Like, ****.
Most, if not all have resistive touch screen with no multi touch, on-board memory from 128-256mb ram to maybe 2 gigs for storage, support for wifi b/g, 7-9 inch screen with a 800×380 to 800x480 res. 400hhz cpu's, many dont come with a expandable sd/micro sd slot, 1100mah batteries etc. The list goes on. Not to mention almost all of the 100$ tablets comes with 1.6
No one wants these things cause they all have the same specs as my HTC touch. The quality is sub par. It has nothing to do with them having the android OS on it.
I love android. I love my tablet, I love my phone. I wouldn't spend 99$ for one of those POS. Even "everyday people" have that much "know"
You take our tablet or a Samsung 10.1 and slap a 99$ price tag on it, and watch em fly off the shelves.

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Digitimes has never been a very credible source as far as I'm concerned... I just don't accept that this many TouchPads have been sold. Not that it matters if they did, it's just I don't buy it. I think we'd be seeing 100's of thousands of app downloads being trumpeted over at Precentral if that were the case.
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Why do you think those numbers are unrealistic? Remember that they got those numbers from the fact that everywhere was sold out and we know how much stock people had. Where else would they be if they didn't get sold?
Also, the reason we're not seeing hundreds of thousands of app downloads is because people are waiting to port android over to the touchpad.

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I have to strongly disagree with this. Have you seen, held or tried out these 100$-150$ android tablets?
No one wants one of these because they are ****. Like, ****.
Most, if not all have resistive touch screen with no multi touch, on-board memory from 128-256mb ram to maybe 2 gigs for storage, support for wifi b/g, 7-9 inch screen with a 800×380 to 800x480 res. 400hhz cpu's, many dont come with a expandable sd/micro sd slot, 1100mah batteries etc. The list goes on. Not to mention almost all of the 100$ tablets comes with 1.6
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Yes, I've owned a few of them. Do you know what ereaders are good for, like the kindle? Reading books... that's pretty much all they do and they've sold WAY more than android tablets, often at a higher price. These $150 android devices do more than kindles, but people don't want them. They certainly perform better than the kindle, but Android hasn't taken off for them.
Perhaps it's all down to marketing? Who knows? But if Android tablet makers think they are going to sell Honeycomb tablets for $499+, they are completely out to lunch. When people are looking for a tablet, they say "I'm looking for an iPad" - that's a fact. Something has to change with the way Android tablets are promoted - maybe they need to hire apple guys?
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wynand32 said:
Certainly, the iPad is a phenomenon. I don't consider it a case of a technology selling, but rather some kind of consumer cultural craze. The hype that Apple gets certainly helps, along with the constant meme that the iPad is the only device that's selling.
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3 weeks ago, I was sitting on the train playing with my tablet when a man sat down next to me. He asked me if what I had was an ipad and I said no. Then he said, and I quote, "oh, you have an imitation".
First of all, I did not have my tablet inside a case or anything. I was playing galaxy on fire 2, and this thing looks nothing like an ipad or ipad 2.
But what really surprised me was how rude this gentleman was. He actually said I had an imitation.
With the billions of dollars apple is pumping into their ad campaign, people tend to only think the only "real" tablet is the ipad and ipad 2 and that everything else is a fake. And this atittude makes people so confident that this man actually said to a total stranger on the train "you have an imitation".
The latest Android numbers show about 2.5 million Honeycomb devices in service. This really isn't that bad when you consider how new Honeycomb is and how poorly priced the earliest Honeycomb tablets were. The Transformer was really the first device that was both compelling and priced correctly, and I think its sales show that.
If the tablet market is viable at all, I think we'll see Android tablets follow phones fairly quickly. If the tablet market is just a flash in the pan, then the iPad will eventually fall off as well. But it's still too early to make any sweeping generalizations about this market, and it drives me crazy when people do so. It's like they can't remember how Android was a minor player 18 months ago, and everyone was saying then about the iPhone what they're saying now about the iPad.
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Frankly, I'm surprised people aren't paying more attention to the transformer. It really is a solid device. The design is superb, if you ask me. And compared to the transformer, other android tablets (with the exception of the galaxy tab) feel like anchors.
The transformer really should get more attention than what it's getting now.

A200 Gets ICS

So is it only a matter of time before we get it?
http://www.netbooknews.com/44849/ac...campaign=Feed:+netbooknews/nbn+(Netbook+News)

Hm, now that's interesting. I guess we can more-or-less grab the A200 ICS ROM and slap it on A500. Camera likely won't work, but everything else should. Not bad news, not at all.

ICS on A200 Experience
I was over at the STAPLES store on 2/9/2012. They had the A200 on display which had ICS. I played with it for around 5 minutes and it was smoother than my current A500 with stock Honeycomb. It was fast in normal usage and browsing like my HP Touchpad with CM9. The feather I liked on the A200 was the added rotary GUI. By pressing the round button/dot at the lower middle of the screen, a rotary dial pops up allowing you to control volume, settings, and programs. I can't wait until we get ICS on the A500.
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So is it only a matter of time before we get it?
http://www.netbooknews.com/44849/ac...campaign=Feed:+netbooknews/nbn+(Netbook+News)
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ax135 said:
I was over at the STAPLES store on 2/9/2012. They had the A200 on display which had ICS. I played with it for around 5 minutes and it was smoother than my current A500 with stock Honeycomb. It was fast in normal usage and browsing like my HP Touchpad with CM9. The feather I liked on the A200 was the added rotary GUI. By pressing the round button/dot at the lower middle of the screen, a rotary dial pops up allowing you to control volume, settings, and programs. I can't wait until we get ICS on the A500.
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even if/when we get it, dont expect the ring. thats part of the a200 3.2.1 rom as well, and the a500 doesnt have that. they have it to make up for the lack of dolby mobile, rear camera and docking port (possibly hdmi out as well, i cant remember).

To me this shows how acer feels about there existing customers. I am leaning toword the a500 might not get the update.The a500 should have been first . But of course because its been replaces financially its better for acer to take money from new customers instead of Supporting the existing and NOW QUITE FURIOUS Ones.. They will not REMAIN NUMBER TWO IN SALES FOR LING WITH THIS TYPE OF Business..
Acer should call HP TECH SUPPORT AND GET A UNDERSTANDING HOW CUSTOMERS SHOULD BE Treated.. other then i do not agree with the whole hp web os pad drop decisions.

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To me this shows how acer feels about there existing customers. I am leaning toword the a500 might not get the update.The a500 should have been first . But of course because its been replaces financially its better for acer to take money from new customers instead of Supporting the existing and NOW QUITE FURIOUS Ones.. They will not REMAIN NUMBER TWO IN SALES FOR LING WITH THIS TYPE OF Business..
Acer should call HP TECH SUPPORT AND GET A UNDERSTANDING HOW CUSTOMERS SHOULD BE Treated.. other then i do not agree with the whole hp web os pad drop decisions.
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Id say sell your 500 and get a 200. Its a better tablet.

the long wait
erica_renee said:
To me this shows how acer feels about there existing customers. I am leaning toword the a500 might not get the update.The a500 should have been first . But of course because its been replaces financially its better for acer to take money from new customers instead of Supporting the existing and NOW QUITE FURIOUS Ones.. They will not REMAIN NUMBER TWO IN SALES FOR LING WITH THIS TYPE OF Business..
Acer should call HP TECH SUPPORT AND GET A UNDERSTANDING HOW CUSTOMERS SHOULD BE Treated.. other then i do not agree with the whole hp web os pad drop decisions.
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I would imagine that Acer, like any other company, is in business to make money. It makes good business sense to upgrade current models before older ones. The update will help it compete with the xooms and transformers out there on the same shelves. I wouldn't say this automatically rules out an update for our A500s. The A200 seems to have slightly simpler hardware as well, so less work in making the update, less bugs to QC before public release, etc. I would give it another few months before unleashing the Hulk rage. My SGSII and my Tab 7.7 are still waiting also and Samsung has a bit more muscle to develop with. All good things to those who wait.... (I hope)

I have seen my fair share of these threads pop up all over xda within the areas I frequent, I seen it with the captivate and att with the gingerbread update, I seen it with the the locked down boot loaders on the evo 4g. Yes good things do happen to those who wait, I believe that there was an article with an official statement from an Acer rep that Yes ICS will be pushed out to the A500 and that other smaller tablet but it will happen most likely after the newer devices have been updated. And if Acer doesn't put it out then there will most likely be a developer come along that will be able to build it for the A200

Haven't yet seen the update on my A200, and system update isn't showing it.

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Haven't yet seen the update on my A200, and system update isn't showing it.
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As always, these updates are released cyclically, one area gets it first, the next a few days later and so on. Could take up to 2 weeks for your area to get it.

WereCatf said:
Hm, now that's interesting. I guess we can more-or-less grab the A200 ICS ROM and slap it on A500. Camera likely won't work, but everything else should. Not bad news, not at all.
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KJY posted a link to the A200 ICS stock ROM in the dev section a while back. He warned against trying to flash it on an A500. I would think the hardware is pretty similar. I'd at least open it up and remove the recovery and update bits.
Jim

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KJY posted a link to the A200 ICS stock ROM in the dev section a while back. He warned against trying to flash it on an A500. I would think the hardware is pretty similar. I'd at least open it up and remove the recovery and update bits.
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That's what I thought too, both are after all Tegra2 with the same resolution and all. One thing that could cause issues is if they have different partition layout, but I don't see why Acer would've messed with that without a reason.
The main difference is the lack of the rear camera, and I assume the 2MP front-facing one is different from the one in A500.

Since the A500 is no longer available in many stores, makes sense to be selling current models with the latest Android version otherwise punters will go with a "more up to date" tablet from a competitor. We will get the update next, and quite probably sooner rather than later.
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This is already been released by region.
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Acer officially announces ICS on the A500 for ANZ in April:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...ia-and-new-zealand-will-arrive-in-april-2012/

That better include the a501 as well! thanks for the update

Who knows, they company is not doing so hot these days.....
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...q4-2011/&category=classic&icid=eng_latest_art
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getting this now, finally. SC.
edit: the tablet's responsiveness now suffers greatly with a Live Wallpaper. Already looking forward to the next patch!

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Acer officially announces ICS on the A500 for ANZ in April:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...ia-and-new-zealand-will-arrive-in-april-2012/
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And it looks like Acer America says A500 and A100 will have ICS starting mid-April.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...update-for-a500-and-a100-coming-in-mid-april/