[Q] Do you Have Protector Screen in your HD2? - HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera

Well i had a screen protector in my hd2 since first day, but i read some and found that it is scratchness, so i took off the screen protector and the difference is big o.o the colors and brightness of the screen are so beautiful compared with screen protector (L)
so can someone confirm me that is it truly anti-scratches? or it is just false?

i have a nice scratch down my screen lol

Demon_man said:
i have a nice scratch down my screen lol
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So, i did bad taking off my screen protector? lol

renehd2 said:
So, i did bad taking off my screen protector? lol
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mines from trying to prove you cant scratch it LOL........

It's highly resistant to scratches. I don't have a single scratch, no protector, and have had the phone since they came out in the US.
Of course, being glass, it still possible to scratch if you try hard enough.

i used the pouch that came with it for abotu a month and a half but then i didnt bother, ive had the phone since nov09 and dont have any scratches on the screen

i use no other than "brando ultra clear" since my early days with my palm V
screen protection is highly resistable and after 2 Years of usage with stylus no scratches. On my HD2 no difference with or without screen protector.
Udo

I'd recommend some kind of pouch when you put it somewhere together with other stuffs, especiually keys etc. If its solo in your pocket its safe.
just keep the screen pointing to your leg in case someone hits you with something. <-happened to me

i have my hd2 from nov 2009...i use the leather pouch it came in with...clean as new....but then i take care of it real good....it can get scratched if it comes in contact with a material which has a higher moh (measure of hardness) ...so get the leather pouch for hd2...it wont add bulk to your phone and provides the best cover for the screen

I got the Otterbox for the HD2 and its amazing. When I take the phone out of it to remove the battery or sd card the phone still looks BRAND new. They cost only a little more than some screen protectors do. I got mine on Amazon for around $30

2 years with my dear and not a single scratch, and i don't use the leather pouch, only a silicon case to protect the back.

Hi, screen protector save my phone when i accidentally drop my hd2 from meter and half. Screen clash on sharp stone on ground, protector to destroy, but display survive with only little scratch. So, im using screen protector. Obviously do not use cheap screen protector.

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Which screen protector is most scratch resistant?

There are some cheap screen protectors out there, which are made of too soft plastic so that they'll get scratches easily which doesn't look really good.
So, can you tell me your experience with your screen protectors on your HD2 - do you have allready small scratches in it or is it fully scratch resistant?
I don't use one with the HD2, but the best I ever used on formal phones was EXiM Spuc. They feel a little harder then other screen protectors and I used one on a SE P1 for about 6 months with the pointy stylus and I sold the phone with the protector still on, I even had to tell the new owner there was one on there..
I have a new brando screen protector for HD2 but haven't used it yet. I use the PO S511 case from htc, so most of the time its closed..
Usually the anti-glare ones (check the HD2 accessories forum..i got it from somewhere in there) are a bit more scratch resistant. They feel a bit "thicker" than the clear ones...though I'm sure they're about the same thickness.
I use the FX-Clear (Folix) bought at amazon.de - it´s great stuff
i dont have any protector and no scratches. Its glass... there is even a video with ppl trying to hurt it with a knife and it's still fine after... Waste of money imo. Also might impair functionality and looks.
Rather than get the screen scratched, as has happened to a few people on here (keys & change in the pocket with the phone!!!), I got some of these...
http://www.protectionfilms24.com/article/vikuiti-dqc-160-screen-protector-htc-hd2-28087.html
They're quite thick, but don't hinder screen sensitivity (I'd estimate the reduction in sensitivity around 5% - it's that minor). You can also wash them and reapply them (if you can get it off!)
I'm terrible at applying screen protectors. I always get stuff underneath them and end up going through a whole pack and not getting one perfect. With these things, however, the fact that I could just remove it and wash it was a godsend! It's easy enough to remove if you've only just put it on, and I've now got one that's on there that you can't see. It's perfect!
I couldn't recommend them enough mate. 3 for 2 at the minute as well, so well worth it.
Why would anyone want a screen protector for the HD2 when its glass and scratch proof??? wierd confused:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcEaehKWr2s
Acoustica76 said:
Why would anyone want a screen protector for the HD2 when its glass and scratch proof??? wierd confused:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcEaehKWr2s
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Because it's not scratch proof - it can get scratched...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=589425
definitely InvisibleSHIELD!
you pay premium quality, but you really get scratchproof device. you can scratch the foil with keys and you won't find any marks. using these foils on my iPods for 4 years and they still look like brand new! you can choose between screen only, or a full body cover.
also, the foil has a lifetime warranty!
http://www.zagg.com/
shouldn't this thread be in Leo accessories?
I grabbed this stuff: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370310732216
before the minor scratch I'd already made was joined by any more...
they can be a real pain to get properly aligned but they easily remove,if required, and can be stuck back on again just as easily..it's just like applying transfers to airfix models when you were a kid.

No Screen Protector

Hi all,
anyone not using a screen protector? how is the hardiness of the glass? is it scratch resistant?
thanks!
i got the phone the 1st day it came out at t mobile and haven't used a screen protector since and i think the screen is pretty good i've only put it in my pocket once though. the screen looks just like when i bought it.
I have went a week without using a screen protector and I am just fed up with the smudges on the screen and I am going to just buy the Invisible shield and hopefully have it by the weekend. They are amazing products.
http://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield/htc-hd2-t-mobile-cases-screen-protectors-covers-skins-shields.php
mcfly015 said:
i got the phone the 1st day it came out at t mobile and haven't used a screen protector since and i think the screen is pretty good i've only put it in my pocket once though. the screen looks just like when i bought it.
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how long has the phone been with you? so it has no scratches and you dont use a pouch? im using a screen protector but im quite getting fed up with these things.
check this out if you wanna see how durable the screen is ..... I am just getting fed up with the smudges and want something besides a silicone sleeve for grip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcEaehKWr2s
the glass screen is durable enough. i don't think you need a screen protector. you will probably break it before you scratch it.
Had the HTC rep come in my store today. He saw i had a screen protector and laughed. He was like you should know better man you dont need a screen protector. He grabbed my store keys and began to grind them on his screen with a fair amount of pressure and not one scratch i was impressed.
xspeed9190 said:
Had the HTC rep come in my store today. He saw i had a screen protector and laughed. He was like you should know better man you dont need a screen protector. He grabbed my store keys and began to grind them on his screen with a fair amount of pressure and not one scratch i was impressed.
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seriously? yeah i also sent them an email regarding why it has no screen protector, this is my 4th htc and all of them came with a screen protector except this one being their flagship phone and huge screen. they did say it is scratch resistant and no screen protector is included and needed.

Does the stylus scratch the screen?

Does the stylus scratch the screen?
Do you guys think that a screen protector is necessary or advisable?
And if it is advisable, will it affect the stylus and finger performance?
interesting question, as the current word on the street is the Note doesn't have Gorilla Glass...
i doubt it would though- but that's only my assumptions..
as its Anti-scratch resistant screen .i don't think the s-pen will scratch the screen but it more like in long term it possible when you put in your pocket with coins or keys , that would scratch the screen it i think.
my old phone was anti scratch screen too but still got few scratch on it from the house keys and coin in my pocket
ps btw i am using the note without screen protector.
I've always gone naked on my phones; no screen protector and no case. I can't stand the extra bulk/film. Even back in the days of windows mobile 5 and 6 with HTC phones that had PLASTIC screens that actually deformed under the stylus pressure, I didn't have scratching issues. I've always kept my phone in my left pocket (upside down with screen facing leg for quick and easy retrieval in the proper position) with NOTHING else in the pocket.
I've never understood the screen protector thing. For the most part manufacturers make the screens much harder and more abrasion resistant than any plastic film you'll find in a screen protector. I saw a guy yesterday using some Verizon droid with a screen protector that was scratched and foggy, and all I could think is "WTF, he wants to protect his screen so it doesn't get scratched up, decreasing visibility and looking ugly, yet that's exactly the experience he's receiving!" Lame. Sometimes people need to think about the big picture. If you're going to sell your phone in a couple months and are paranoid, that's one thing, but otherwise I think they're a total waste.
I still have the factory protective plastic sheet over my screen and my stylus works fine. I'm waiting for my screen protector to come in the mail before I remove the factory plastic.
I have always used cases and screen protectors on my phones. When it came time to sell my old phones, they are still in immaculate condition, like the first day I bought them. I am always able to get the maximum resale value out of my phones.
I think screen protectors is a good investment if you want to maximize the resale value of your phone
I have a screen protector on my note and it doesn't effect the performance of the stylus. It also doesn't leave any scratches on the screen protector so I am guessing it shouldn't leave any on the screen as well.
Overall performance , it's great and loving every minute of my new toy.
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I've never understood the screen protector thing. For the most part manufacturers make the screens much harder and more abrasion resistant than any plastic film you'll find in a screen protector. I saw a guy yesterday using some Verizon droid with a screen protector that was scratched and foggy, and all I could think is "WTF, he wants to protect his screen so it doesn't get scratched up, decreasing visibility and looking ugly, yet that's exactly the experience he's receiving!" Lame. Sometimes people need to think about the big picture. If you're going to sell your phone in a couple months and are paranoid, that's one thing, but otherwise I think they're a total waste.
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If you put it on right, you can't even tell it's there. You wouldn't be able to tell that I had a screen protector on my captivate unless you looked at the edges, no fog, no bubbles, no dust.
The thing about screen protectors is... if you DO get a big scratch, you are scratching an inexpensive easily replaceable component as opposed to the expensive and very difficult to replace pane of glass fused to the LCD and housing.
Even though Screen Protectors can prevent the screen being scratched, it does also make the screen look less vibrant.
all my previous phones i had screen protector on but i decide that i go without on the note this time ^_^
ps. i just put 32gb card in and loaded ton of movies on it. oop sorry out of topic, lol
I was going to ask whether the seemingly strong screen would hurt the thin plastic S-Pen.
I never used a screen protector on previous phones, but I just ordered one for the Note. After only a couple of days use, I have several noticeable scratches on the screen - I would say that it scratches easily (these scratches are not from the stylus, haven't even used that yet).
I would think that the pen would suffer in sensitivity with a screen protector.
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There is a stylus made of a rubber tip, its called GRIFFIN , you can get it from ebay
Hope this helped ya ;-)
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I ordered one of these from amazon yesterday:
Vikuiti screen protectors CV8 (quantity: 2) for Samsung Galaxy Note - PREMIUM QUALITY (ultra-clear, scratch-resistant, high adhesiveness)
Vikuiti is the strongest and best true clear screen protectors around from what I have read - I will report here when I receive my shipment.
took my note yesterday play a fruit ninja with stylus... whole screen protector get scratch..
To those who have installed a screen protector, have you guys noticed any performance loss with the stylus?
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I was going to ask whether the seemingly strong screen would hurt the thin plastic S-Pen.
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This is a good point.
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cred0021 said:
I never used a screen protector on previous phones, but I just ordered one for the Note. After only a couple of days use, I have several noticeable scratches on the screen - I would say that it scratches easily (these scratches are not from the stylus, haven't even used that yet).
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I've had scratches on mine too, but I wiped them off with a tissue.
Xaddict said:
I've had scratches on mine too, but I wiped them off with a tissue.
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Paper's never a good thing to use for wiping clear stuff (phone screens, glasses, etc.) Wood pulp, which they use to make the paper, contains tiny bits of silica which will scratch those types of items. The scratches may be very small, but will build up over time. Fabric is always a better choice; the inside of my t-shirt is what I use most of the times on my sunglasses and phone screen.
MR.zero said:
There is a stylus made of a rubber tip, its called GRIFFIN , you can get it from ebay
Hope this helped ya ;-)
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U sure it work with note?
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Evo 4G63 said:
I still have the factory protective plastic sheet over my screen and my stylus works fine. I'm waiting for my screen protector to come in the mail before I remove the factory plastic.
I have always used cases and screen protectors on my phones. When it came time to sell my old phones, they are still in immaculate condition, like the first day I bought them. I am always able to get the maximum resale value out of my phones.
I think screen protectors is a good investment if you want to maximize the resale value of your phone
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I manufacture cases for phones.
But before then and now I don't use cases, and beat the living daylights out of my phones.
This makes me financially stupid, and you smart (no sarcasm, truly).
However, I'm perhaps living a more chilled life.

Do you use a screen protector for your note?

I have a screen protector currently, but I'm thinking of taking it off.
What do you guys think? Are you folks using a screen protector?
I don't use screen protector because I want the best touch experience
I never used one on my DHD and I don't use one on my Note either.
I sure use one.
Recently I had a clean slice on my screen and I was worried that the cut might be deep enough to have gone through the screen protector and scratched my screen. So I took the protector off and thankfully the screen protector was enough to stop the scratch.
So it has it uses.
Putting a screen protector is a nightmare though because of dust particles, so whenever I want to put a screen protector on I view the screen under light at an angle to see if there is any dust particles on the screen. That way I can see even the "smallest" dust particle. So whenever I place a screen protector I take about 30 to 40 mins to put one on my Note. Also it's not like I change screen protector like a baby's dippers. The current one will be on there pretty much forever unless something like a scratch happens that will force me replace it. Otherwise it's pretty much a one time thing.
My screen protectors are very good quality ones.
SGP Ultra Optics
NutZInTheHead said:
I sure use one.
Recently I had a clean slice on my screen and I was worried that the cut might be deep enough to have gone through the screen protector and scratched my screen. So I took the protector off and thankfully the screen protector was enough to stop the scratch.
So it has it uses.
Putting a screen protector is a nightmare though because of dust particles, so whenever I want to put a screen protector on I view the screen under light at an angle to see if there is any dust particles on the screen. That way I can see even the "smallest" dust particle. So whenever I place a screen protector I take about 30 to 40 mins to put one on my Note. Also it's not like I change screen protector like a baby's dippers. The current one will be on there pretty much forever unless something like a scratch happens that will force me replace it. Otherwise it's pretty much a one time thing.
My screen protectors are very good quality ones.
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I am using SGP Ultra Optics, touch is fine, just finger prints are still there.
I've had my Note for over six months without a screen protector, just a gel case, and not a mark on it. Whenever it's in a pocket it never shares space with anything else that might harm it such as coins or keys.
I didn't protect my ZTE Blade before it, my MDA Vario before that, or any other phone I've owned. I don't put protectors on the display of any of my several cameras, and none of those have suffered as a result either. The only device I've ever applied a screen protector to was my Palm Tungsten T3, and with the flip cover for that, that was probably the most unnecessary application of a protector to any device I've ever owned.
Never.
Hate them.
brought my first screen protector the other day, put it on and that night i was going for a run and my note fell out of my pocket and went across the road for 5 meters, screen protector saved my phone.
I used to but I don't anymore. My note fell any the screen broke so I had to get a new one. Now I don't use a screen protector but I use seidio gel protector. I like it better like this.
Zag is the best.
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Normally I kinda dislike screen protectors on touchscreens but after I got tiny scratches on my display I put a screen protector and hey, this wasn't that bad. I got used to it and now I can't imagine a screen without it.
It let me to be more careless with my Note.
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Im using in every phone,that i have,a screen protector.
I always using thin screen protectors and until now i never had any touch problems,only fingers prints and i wipe them off
If you touch to put a screen protector,choose a thin one
Bought 2x sgp ultra. Tried in vain to fit them on the phone but found it impossible to do so without getting dust trapped.
So I threw them both away, and looking back, I'm glad I did.
I just keep it in one pocket and don't put anything else in there with it.
tdodd said:
I've had my Note for over six months without a screen protector, just a gel case, and not a mark on it. Whenever it's in a pocket it never shares space with anything else that might harm it such as coins or keys.
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So you are saying you never have dust or sand particles in your pockets as those bastards are the ones scratching the screens. Keys or coins won't do it as they're softer than your phone's screen.
E: I am using a cheapo screen protector (7,99€ for two) and it does not affect the user experience at all.
I dropped my note face down on the concrete twice from my jacket pocket. No scratch. I'm not using a screen protector.
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I just took off my screen protector and now it feels really good.. Galaxy note's screen is one of its USP's and it needs to be felt raw not with a layer on it.
I know that the Note has a Gorilla Glass but I still use a screen protector on mine. It's probably just paranoia but hey, better be safe than sorry since at the end of the day, I did spend quite a bit on the phone
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clandestino123 said:
Bought 2x sgp ultra. Tried in vain to fit them on the phone but found it impossible to do so without getting dust trapped.
So I threw them both away, and looking back, I'm glad I did.
I just keep it in one pocket and don't put anything else in there with it.
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I'm using the same and got like two or three bubbles but not on screen, more on the border of the screen. I like the protector alot. As far as for me I can't notice any difference with or without.
I always use a screen protector just because I'm paranoid
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I have two small children and because of that I spend some time in sand boxes. That sand is the worst when comes to making tiny scratches. I bought a copter shield a couple of weeks after getting the note due to scratches starting to emerge. I also made a deeper scratch with the help of a zipper, (which is embarresing since im closely related to the inventor of the zipper ).
I do have the feeling that the "Note" is a bit more sensitive than other gorilla glass endowed phones. Maybe it has a coating that scratches more easily or something...

I am seriously considering using my s7 edge without Screen Protector, What's opinion?

I bought s7 edge new...a few days ago...
I bought him a Screen Protector puregear, simple a bad screen protector.
And I can not find a good screen protector, In the meantime, I'm not using my s7 edge, because it.
I anyway not love screen protector, so I thought maybe... I will use my s7 edge without a screen protector
Would be very happy to hear your opinions, worthwhile or not ?
If you can elaborate This will help me, thus I will learn more.
Thanks!!!
I'm using it without one too, but I use the leather cover from Samsung(not the flip cover). Just as drop protection and because the phone is very slippery without one
I've spent more than 50$ on screen protectors still haven't find anything that last longer than a week. Somes peeled off, somes have touch issues so i decided to just use my phone naked. The phone hold up surprisingly well for the past 2 months, not any scratches even when i did drop it twice and there were some dents on the benzel.
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My advice is u should definitely buy a case since the phone is pretty slippery and the benzels are so thin that u might find ur fingers resting on the screen causing touch issues.
Screen protectors are all personal preferences. From what i know, it limit the beauty of the screen, harder to see in direct sunlight, and u cant use it underwater.
Why not using it with a flip cover (but w/o screen protector)?
Best of both worlds, you can show the phone off yet it is protected all-round.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01DCGNH1W/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01GTNI076/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I have both. The leather one is sheer class (and better protection), the slim line one is form fitting with less protection (but still a helluvamore than not using anything).
Both make the phone look superb.
I have my s7e from since it came out, i found that my diamond bling scratches the screen when i put it on my ear so bought a screen protector but lasted 4 hours, im not fund of screen protectors i like my screen naked. Have hundreds of scratches now.
who needs a screen protector? I've never used one since like 4 years and all my phones are exposed at least to dog bites (I'm a vet and the phone is always a curious thing for them), and never broke anyone
With the s7 edge I'm using it for three months and never used one, both crystals are like new, but I'm using a spigen case because samsung's sucks
I don't use a screen protector or any protection at all, and my device (which I bought in March, shortly after its release) looks just fine. No scratches on the body, and I only have a teenie tiny scratch on the screen, which isn't bothering me. If you're the type of person who throws his stuff around, then I'd get some protection. If you're like me and you love using your devices naked, then go ahead and do that. Just DO NOT keep your phone in the same pocket with your keys etc. That will 100% scratch up your phone. Keep it generally far away from metal parts, including metallic zippers on jackets/hoodies/jeans!
I've had mine since before the official release (Tmo FTW) and I've never had a screen protector on it. I do use a Spigen black TPU case, but my screen has 0 noticeable scratches on it. You can find one or two if the screen is off and you're looking for them, but if the screen is on, you couldn't see them if you tried.
i havent had a screen protector since day one and have to scratches on mine. still looks brand new
I got a WriteRight flex screen protector (film style) from Staples in Ontario, Canada. Came with 2. First one is still on and doing well to stop simple scratches from car keys and such. It seems like there are no good options for glass protectors due to the edge. I usually would always use a glass protector + skin on body. This time i have a case that is banana-shaped to protector the screen if it falls face down and the film protector for minor scratch protection. Decent combo.
I tried multiple screen protectors and all of them were actual garbage because of the edge screen. I've been using mine without a screen protector for the last few months. It's just not worth it to me to Cripple the device and stop the enjoyment of using it because of a bad screen protector or because I'm worried about a small scratch. I've had good luck I've got a slight scratch that cannot be seen unless you're really looking for it hard after 2 months. Biggest thing is keep your keys and pens out of your pocket that your phone is in
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No screen protector here. No problems ;]
Just like @ flyinj54 said, I keep my phone in my left pocket by itself. Keys and whatever else I put in my right pocket. As long as you do that and don't drop your phone you'll be good.
I tried going protector-less for a while and discovered a small scratch from somewhere. I'm very careful with my phone and hate scratches. After trying a vinyl skinomi wet install which kept on denting/imprinting, a few cheap glass ones, i've settled on the spigen plastic protector, which has been working great!
I too have spend nearly £50 on screen protectors, haven't found a good one yet, and so I now use my S7E without screen protector.
I have spend some fair amount of money on case though, I have a Noreve case, and a Piel Frama's SlimFrama case.
FreedomLife said:
I bought s7 edge new...a few days ago...
I bought him a Screen Protector puregear, simple a bad screen protector.
And I can not find a good screen protector, In the meantime, I'm not using my s7 edge, because it.
I anyway not love screen protector, so I thought maybe... I will use my s7 edge without a screen protector
Would be very happy to hear your opinions, worthwhile or not ?
If you can elaborate This will help me, thus I will learn more.
Thanks!!!
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I did that for a while with only the Samsung Flip Wallet cover. It was fine. found Skinomi matteskin screen protector that wraps around the edges, I love it! it reduces glare and also keeps grease and fingerprints off the screen. It has almost a rubbery vinyl feel to it.
chinhe said:
I have my s7e from since it came out, i found that my diamond bling scratches the screen when i put it on my ear so bought a screen protector but lasted 4 hours, im not fund of screen protectors i like my screen naked. Have hundreds of scratches now.
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It doesn't bother you?
FreedomLife said:
It doesn't bother you?
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Not that much. The scratches are not even visible when the screen is on.
chinhe said:
Not that much. The scratches are not even visible when the screen is on.
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Many have written online, They see scratches only the screen is turned off
You not see to scratches When the Screen active?
FreedomLife said:
Many have written online, They see scratches only the screen is turned off
You not see to scratches When the Screen active?
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Yes i can confirm this. Even at screen off the scratches are barely visible, you can notice only if you look close to the screen. For me it really makes difference, i mean the screen is much clearer without protector because most protectors tend to absorb dirt being plastic(with all of my devices i used before never had protectors), much crispier and brighter. I dont know its just my opinion.
It's really quite simple. Unless you want hairline scratches (or worse) within a couple of weeks you use a screen protector. No matter how careful you are, this is unavoidable simply from everyday use.
Personally, I use a Zagg HD Dry. I've had the same protector on my phone since the middle of March and it still looks virtually new (bar a few inevitable marks). And with my Spigen crystal cover, it's never curled up at the edges like a lot of people have complained about.
Bottom line for me (although I accept opinions vary), buying a phone worth over £600 then not protecting it with a cover and screen protector is madness.

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