(Bare with me, this IS wm6 related)
Okay, so i got this qtek 9090 from a trade online, and the owner pointed out that he had used it for some time now and it worked without problems.
However that seems not to be my experience. At first I was a little worried that it did not came with a charger.. Only a USB cable. No worries i thought, I will just charge it through USB. Now I have had some experiences where phones wouldn't charge from some of my computers, apparently because of some boards that put out lower amps than others. However I knew atleast one computer should have no problem charge ordinary cell phones.
So i plugged it in, and to my worries the battery kept going down... Untill the phone was dried from power and everything got lost again.. and again.. and again.. It seemed a little odd that it apparently deleted everything each time, since the backup battery indicated 100%.
So at last it went into flightmode and I shut it down with the powerbutton and let it be connected.. The first many hours nothing happened.. But suddenly, when i did an occasional check, it said 3% battery. I went to sleep and the next morning it was fully charged. I used it all day in school and it held its power real fine.
Now I got the feeling that this probably was caused by the low amp output from the computer, making it unable of charging to the extend where the phone would still be able of running whilst charging. So i figured i would order a 220v (the powercurrent here in Denmark) -> 5v USB that outputs 700mA, to make a quicker charge.
Well, to day I was gonna receive that adapter, and since I'd read that the wm6 apparently draines the battery some bit, I waited untill today to upgrade to wm6.
I upgraded and everything truely runs quick and stable. But when i recieved the adapter and plugged it in, i was horrified. The power kept going down, as I had experienced when it was plugged into USB.
Now my girlfriend really wanted to play bejeweled on this thing, so she did and then shortly afterwards we took a few hours nap. I had her plug it in the new adapter to charge it. When i woke up i saw the screen blinking.
I could se it was rebooting over and over again, as it had done the first time it completely lost power..
Now besides that extremely annoying charging problem, I now had another concern....
The boot screen shows NONE next to the R and the G.
Next to the D is the wm version displayed.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
red LED?
Hm.. By doing a hard reset it shows numbers next to R and G again.
It continuely reboots, display boot screen, shuts down, LED is red, reboots, displays boot screen, shuts down, LED is red again and again.
If i hard reset it some times it will at one point stay off, but the LED still lights red.
And now I question wether 700mA is even enough for charging the BA?
1. Higher power given by power supply does not mean, you will get faster charging
2. If you use WM5/WM6 and have Bluetooth turned on, device turns on every few minutes (bug/feature of the driver needed to keep Bluetooth running: look for BigMike's fix for more information). If your deivce is set up to turn off after long time (for ex. 5 mins), battery might drain out in half a day.
3. Check power settings (delays for device power down etc.)
4. In WM6 be sure, that audio manager is not running (prevents device from deep sleep, allows only screen shutdown)
5. If battery shows up 100% and after disconnecting device discharges in less than 2h being turned on all the time (wifi, bt, phone, screen all the time turned on) it means, that battery might be worn. Consider exchange.
R and G showing NONE is normal in WM5/WM6 because of bug (unfixable for now) in the device and it's incomatibility with this OS: after turning on from power down (taking battery out or total discharging) make soft reset just when R NONE G NONE shows up on the screen. Everything will be normal.
jakubd said:
1. Higher power given by power supply does not mean, you will get faster charging
2. If you use WM5/WM6 and have Bluetooth turned on, device turns on every few minutes (bug/feature of the driver needed to keep Bluetooth running: look for BigMike's fix for more information). If your deivce is set up to turn off after long time (for ex. 5 mins), battery might drain out in half a day.
3. Check power settings (delays for device power down etc.)
4. In WM6 be sure, that audio manager is not running (prevents device from deep sleep, allows only screen shutdown)
5. If battery shows up 100% and after disconnecting device discharges in less than 2h being turned on all the time (wifi, bt, phone, screen all the time turned on) it means, that battery might be worn. Consider exchange.
R and G showing NONE is normal in WM5/WM6 because of bug (unfixable for now) in the device and it's incomatibility with this OS: after turning on from power down (taking battery out or total discharging) make soft reset just when R NONE G NONE shows up on the screen. Everything will be normal.
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AFAIK the lower the mA output, the slower the charge period.
I have had wifi, bluetooth, beam off. I've set shutdown to 2 minutes. I've set it to low brightness and etc.
As i mentioned it had no problems going a whole day of usage in school.
Didn't know about the bug in wm6 that makes only the screen shut off, but at the momemt i can't even boot the device, apparently because it has no batterypower. And having it connected to the charger makes no real difference (other than it will display the bootscreen and perhaps even the Windows Mobile welcome screen thing, for a few seconds.. then go dead again.)
I've had it in the charger for about an hour or two, still not enough power to boot it up.
It feels like it's just not charging sometimes.. And other times it will charge just fine.
Found out about the reset to solve the NONE issue, but i still don't know what it means that its LED is red all the time?
Even 500mA is enough for sure, as charging from USB works fine.
Device will shut down soon after turning on if there is not enough power in battery, even it if is charging. Leave it charging (amber led on the right) for some time. RED led means low battery and no charging (AFAIR).
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Even 500mA is enough for sure, as charging from USB works fine.
Device will shut down soon after turning on if there is not enough power in battery, even it if is charging. Leave it charging (amber led on the right) for some time. RED led means low battery and no charging (AFAIR).
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Hmm, i see. I just don't understand why it's not charging then :/
trylleklovn said:
Didn't know about the bug in wm6 that makes only the screen shut off
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This is not a bug - thanks to this you can still listen to your music keeping device with screen turned off, when you don't need it to spare battery.
trylleklovn said:
Found out about the reset to solve the NONE issue, but i still don't know what it means that its LED is red all the time?
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Red LED (right one) means low battery, no charging. To charge this led must be amber. Details - you must look for manual.
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This is not a bug - thanks to this you can still listen to your music keeping device with screen turned off, when you don't need it to spare battery.
Red LED (right one) means low battery, no charging. To charge this led must be amber. Details - you must look for manual.
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Okay.
It's odd still. When i connect the charger the right LED starts to light red.
If it means that its not charging, there must be something wrong, since it only happens when connecting the charger..
it can be amber or red. Those are different colors and meaning.
You can confirm it charges touching the battery - it becomes slightly warm after some time.
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it can be amber or red. Those are different colors and meaning.
You can confirm it charges touching the battery - it becomes slightly warm after some time.
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I KNOW that, but it is not going amber. It stays red all the time.
Found this thread that discusses a similar problem; http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-233782.html
Apparently it shows RED light all the time if the battery is dead.. However i hardly doubt that the battery, which could power the phone just fine for and entire day, should be dead.
However, one suggestion in the thread was to take out the battery for some time and then try again. So I will do that for now.
Behavior has changed a bit now..
The LED is still red when i connect the charger. However, if i try to turn it on following happens:
Boot Screen shows for a couple of seconds...
Windows Mobile startup screen appears and the LED changes to orange/amber..
After a few seconds the screen turns black and the LED changes to red again...
And then after a few more seconds the boot screen appears again and everything is repeated, over and over.
If I disconnect the charger the boot screen appears, the wm startup screen appears, this time with a flashing red LED.. shortly after the phone turns off.
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Behavior has changed a bit now..
The LED is still red when i connect the charger. However, if i try to turn it on following happens:
Boot Screen shows for a couple of seconds...
Windows Mobile startup screen appears and the LED changes to orange/amber..
After a few seconds the screen turns black and the LED changes to red again...
And then after a few more seconds the boot screen appears again and everything is repeated, over and over.
If I disconnect the charger the boot screen appears, the wm startup screen appears, this time with a flashing red LED.. shortly after the phone turns off.
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I've seen this problem before. The charger is not putting out enough power to both charge and boot the BA. So what happens is that it starts charging enough to start boot, but as soon as it has enough power to start the boot, it immediately drains it by starting to boot with screen at full brightness.
What I do in this case is to try to catch it just as it starts to boot and turn the backlight off by holding down the power button for 5 sec. This turns off the backlight so there is less drain and the thing can boot up and start charging.
All in all, its a pretty stupid bug but what the hell, there is a solution to it.
Good luck.
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I've seen this problem before. The charger is not putting out enough power to both charge and boot the BA. So what happens is that it starts charging enough to start boot, but as soon as it has enough power to start the boot, it immediately drains it by starting to boot with screen at full brightness.
What I do in this case is to try to catch it just as it starts to boot and turn the backlight off by holding down the power button for 5 sec. This turns off the backlight so there is less drain and the thing can boot up and start charging.
All in all, its a pretty stupid bug but what the hell, there is a solution to it.
Good luck.
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This seems to work atm. (just a few seconds since it successfully booted)..
Does this mean that the device really cant charge if its not "on" ?
(I can see its booted and the LED is now orange. If only it will stay this way untill it has been recharged further ))
trylleklovn said:
This seems to work atm. (just a few seconds since it successfully booted)..
Does this mean that the device really cant charge if its not "on" ?
(I can see its booted and the LED is now orange. If only it will stay this way untill it has been recharged further ))
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It can charge when it is off. BUT... When its off, its not really off... It has to finish booting and then you can turn it off. Then it will charge faster as it only has minimum drain on the battery. As I said before, its a stupid design.
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It can charge when it is off. BUT... When its off, its not really off... It has to finish booting and then you can turn it off. Then it will charge faster as it only has minimum drain on the battery. As I said before, its a stupid design.
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Well we can certainly agree on that
So does the phone also basicly use to much power to be used and charged at the same time? Which would explain why it seemed to lose power even though it was connected to the charger.
Although it still doesn't add up for me, as at one point i was playing a game on it, while charging and then it charged real fast, where you would expect it to use more power
Oh well, if only it keeps charging now i'll be glad
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Well we can certainly agree on that
So does the phone also basicly use to much power to be used and charged at the same time? Which would explain why it seemed to lose power even though it was connected to the charger.
Although it still doesn't add up for me, as at one point i was playing a game on it, while charging and then it charged real fast, where you would expect it to use more power
Oh well, if only it keeps charging now i'll be glad
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I have found that if you only use the USB cable to charge, it takes much longer (if at all) to charge if it is on. Thats why I bought cradles that have external power suppies as well as the USB sync cable. With this configuration, it gets to full charge in about 90 minutes.
Hm.. yeah.. I let it charge for some time, until it shut down and the LED changed to red again.. The same thing has happened about 3 times now.. If I try to navigate it with the brightness off it will shut down after a few clicks..
Seems like either the battery is completely dead or it's simply not charging.. :/
Think i have to buy a new battery and a cradle, although i didn't really want to spend money on this phone as i got it virtually for free (through a trade of a w810i)
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Hm.. yeah.. I let it charge for some time, until it shut down and the LED changed to red again.. The same thing has happened about 3 times now.. If I try to navigate it with the brightness off it will shut down after a few clicks..
Seems like either the battery is completely dead or it's simply not charging.. :/
Think i have to buy a new battery and a cradle, although i didn't really want to spend money on this phone as i got it virtually for free (through a trade of a w810i)
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Get it to orange and then push the power button (short push) to turn it off (not long push which only turns off the backlight). Then let it charge for an hour or 2 (or even all night). By then, it should work OK.
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Get it to orange and then push the power button (short push) to turn it off (not long push which only turns off the backlight). Then let it charge for an hour or 2 (or even all night). By then, it should work OK.
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Yeah, i tried that. As soon as i press the power button it goes to red again.
Update..
A litte update (i might as well document everything I find out here, if anyone should run into a similar problem).
Now, I've had the device connected to the charge for some time now.
What happens is that the device boots up, automaticly dimms down to no light (since i once had hold down the power button, to dimm down light).
Then it boots up, and i can see everything running.
I can navigate to the battery status menu, which shows
Battery: 0% (charging)
Backup battery: 25%
After a few minutes the device shuts down, and the LED goes red again. But after about a half a minute it will try to boot up again, and it goes through everything again.
What I've noticed is that the backup battery slowly increases, and while im writing it has gone all the way to 75%. The good thing about this completely automatic procedure is that it apparently slowly charges, at least, the backup battery.
My theory is that the backup battery has first priority in the system, so that the regular battery wont charge untill the backup battery is up. And since the backup battery can't apparently be used for actualy powering the system, the system will continuesly reboot because of lack of power, theoreticly untill the backup battery reaches 100% and it starts to charge the regular battery.
The whole problem seems to be cause by some charging malfunction, so that both batteries has been completely discharged. I hope that by letting it continue to reboot, charge, reboot, charge, etc. it will revive the battery.
I will return with more info tomorrow.
Any suggestions are still greatly appreciated.
Dear all,
Does anyone have the problem where HTC Touch 3G does not fully charged the battery even after 8hours of continous charge. When I do a soft reset the battery will show 100 percent and if I plug in back to the charger, the LED light on the device will turn solid green after a while. Also if I switch off the device via holding the power button and selecting 'YES' from the dialog box then it would also charged to 100%. Does anyone know if this is software or hardware related? Thanks.
Regards,
Kueh.
Me to: It will not completely charge!
Same behaviour here! It will not completely charge the battery. When I do a soft reset the battery will show 100 percent and if I plug in back to the charger, the LED light on the device will turn solid green after a while.
I guess it is software related..?
same on mine!
This is what I understand how it works...
The moment you unplug the charger, the fully charged battery is immediately used and becomes 99.999* %, even if the phone is off. Some power will be used e.g. the internal clock. But the default and customised some battery indicator will still show 100% (depending on what settings you use). If you use the customised 1% increment/decrement level, it will immediately show 99% and down and down. So when you plug on again, the battery is already 99.9999% and it will charge until 100%.
Battery issue..
The same behavior here too.
It appears as 100 % only after Soft reset.
And the LED - when the battery is full the LED flashing Green,but still flashing.The LED use some energy,so its normal for me.
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This is what I understand how it works...
The moment you unplug the charger, the fully charged battery is immediately used and becomes 99.999* %, even if the phone is off. Some power will be used e.g. the internal clock. But the default and customised some battery indicator will still show 100% (depending on what settings you use). If you use the customised 1% increment/decrement level, it will immediately show 99% and down and down. So when you plug on again, the battery is already 99.9999% and it will charge until 100%.
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Is not like that...
When battery is about 10% gives a message about the low battery level. I charge it, and the battery level becomes up, until 70%, then stops growing up and the led continues in orange. It can pass hours and the level maintain the 70% and the led doesnt turn to green.
Any could say what could happen?
I think it wolud be problem of:
1- the battery
2 - the charger
3 - the hardware in the htc that manages the charging.
4 - The software in the htc that manages the charging.
5 - ...any idea?
nicodbgh said:
Any could say what could happen?
I think it wolud be problem of:
1- the battery
2 - the charger
3 - the hardware in the htc that manages the charging.
4 - The software in the htc that manages the charging.
5 - ...any idea?
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Have you tried charging your unit with the screen turned off ? or maybe shutdown the phone and charge it, I do it in my Jade and it charge very quick. in less than two hours the LED turns green. Hope that helps
Hi,
I have to a Hard Reset for the battery recharging status to work. Also when third party battery Icon program is used the problem comes back again. So now I have remove them all and it have worked for a few weeks now. Removing the third party program without a Hard Reset does not do the trick. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Kueh
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Is not like that...
When battery is about 10% gives a message about the low battery level. I charge it, and the battery level becomes up, until 70%, then stops growing up and the led continues in orange. It can pass hours and the level maintain the 70% and the led doesnt turn to green.
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nicodbgh said:
Is not like that...
When battery is about 10% gives a message about the low battery level. I charge it, and the battery level becomes up, until 70%, then stops growing up and the led continues in orange. It can pass hours and the level maintain the 70% and the led doesnt turn to green.
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My opinion, you may have problem with the hardware, charger or even battery itself. You should send the set to the service centre.
KA Kueh said:
Hi,
I have to a Hard Reset for the battery recharging status to work. Also when third party battery Icon program is used the problem comes back again. So now I have remove them all and it have worked for a few weeks now. Removing the third party program without a Hard Reset does not do the trick. Hope this helps.
Regards, Kueh
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I use a customised battery icon (the 1% incremental) and there's no problem. Full charging from about 10% is reached in < 2 hrs, even charging using PC or laptop.
azahidi said:
My opinion, you may have problem with the hardware, charger or even battery itself. You should send the set to the service centre.
I use a customised battery icon (the 1% incremental) and there's no problem. Full charging from about 10% is reached in < 2 hrs, even charging using PC or laptop.
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Hi,
Have you tried ArielBattery program. I like it but it just interfere with the full charging problem and without it the system works perfectly in my case it is not hardware problem.
KA Kueh said:
Hi,
Have you tried ArielBattery program. I like it but it just interfere with the full charging problem and without it the system works perfectly in my case it is not hardware problem.
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Yes, I have used ArielBattery for quite a while, and I did not give me any problem. Now I am using this (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3330601&postcount=69) and there's no problem either. And I do check and compare between the two
azahidi said:
My opinion, you may have problem with the hardware, charger or even battery itself. You should send the set to the service centre.
I use a customised battery icon (the 1% incremental) and there's no problem. Full charging from about 10% is reached in < 2 hrs, even charging using PC or laptop.
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I have changed the rom and the problem seems to be solved.
Yesterday last around 4 hours to get 100% charged, but finally the orange led become green without doing reset or unplagging the jade.
I would be expectant next time i recharge...
My battery says 100%, then I turned it off and plugged it back in and the indicator was still white. Huh?
patass said:
My battery says 100%, then I turned it off and plugged it back in and the indicator was still white. Huh?
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The anorexic manual says Green is 95% or higher. Maybe the indicator had a margin of error or somehow used up 5% of its power cycling (which would be unfortunate)?
StarlessKnight said:
The anorexic manual says Green is 95% or higher. Maybe the indicator had a margin of error or somehow used up 5% of its power cycling (which would be unfortunate)?
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I'm not sure of the level that Motorola uses, but with Cyanogenmod 7 on my Droid Incredible the charging light turns green at 90%. Maybe this is a standard Android value???
I seem to be flying through my battery, but I HAVE been doing a ton of stuff. Even playing games via bluetooth and hdmi on my big tv... I'll leave it off and plugged in for an hour and thirty minutes and see if the indicator changes color. Still white at the moment.
EDIT - At full, 100% charge (tells me so when it's on), my LED is White. Someone please verify their LED colors for me...
During charge mine is white/blue. When it reaches 95ish percent it turns green.
Regardless of when the charge indicator turns white, green, etc like many other mobile devices the battery gauge may not be all that accurate. When the battery gets to a certain point, charging stops and discharging begins again. After a discharging for a while, charging may begin again. The amount of charge shown may depend on where you catch it in the cycle. Unplugging it after it becomes green and then plugging it in again causes a "bump charge". This is fairly common behavior and hardly exclusive to the xoom.
If you want to really know what is going on, I suggest using this free android utility / widget...
[UTIL] current widget - shows actual current output of a charger
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=776085
is yours the 3g or wifi xoom?
I've now found that I'm getting between 10-12 hours of heavy usage, probably. I was playing games and surfing and playing music for 6 hours last night and I wound up at 50%. So I guess I can ignore the LED thing, I guess. It turns red when the inner camera is on.
Not sure if it is a bug, or if the screen-pinning is actually working to perfection. IMO it works a bit too well for comfort.
Was playing the most recent riptide game, and to do tricks I usually ended up hitting the hardware touch keys, so I turned on screen-pinning to counter that. Well, apparently you don't receive anything from the system (battery low warning etc...) while it is on, AND the system cannot overrule it. Meaning even if the battery goes to 0%, it won't shutdown/poweroff.
The phone literally turned off in a snap, screen flashed kinda weird colours and puff! Off!
When I tried turning it on, the usual multi-lingual red writing saying battery is low appeared and disappeared in an instant, instead of the usual 1-2 seconds being displayed.
I plugged the Dash charger and the red writing appeared instead of the charging symbol. It took like 3-4 minutes charging before the phone "turned on" to display that lightning/thunder image that informs you it is charging. I think dash charging only activated at that point.
Haven't turned it back on yet. Gonna take advantage of this and charge till 100% for the calibration X_X
I think that the red writing when plugging in your charger actually should be a charging message which however is the same like the low power images (there are two images, one called lowpower, one called charging, both contain the same data)
Running the battery down to completely zero can brick your phone. The phone needs a very slight charge to recharge. The system shuts it down very slightly early because of this. You often see people bricking their phone because they completely discharge in recovery.
B3501 said:
Running the battery down to completely zero can brick your phone. The phone needs a very slight charge to recharge. The system shuts it down very slightly early because of this. You often see people bricking their phone because they completely discharge in recovery.
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yes, discharging completly your battery wont have a positive effect for you - its the other way round.
but if you think you will get a "recalibration" thing or something.. then go ahead and have fun with your placebo effect