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Gingerbread is out for Nexus...So when can G2 wxpect it"

Gingerbread was released for Nexus One today...anyone know how long till it hits G2 owners? Being a vanilla phone shouldnt we be next?
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Since G2 is an official T-Mo phone, all depends on T-Mo's mood I guess...

It'll be out as a custom ROM sooner than as an official update, I would expect.

Def give it a couple of days let the devs go through the sdk.. Its gonna be a little work moving it over to the g2 because of the physical keyboard and also all the new additions like voip, gyroscope, nfc and all that they gotta make it all work so give it a couple days.. Maybe even something quick tonight..

steviewevie said:
It'll be out as a custom ROM sooner than as an official update, I would expect.
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Yeah. Although honestly, I'm kinda loving the Desire Z ROM - I don't know if I can go back to the stock camera app, frankly. From the SDK screenshots on the Google blog, it doesn't look like there's any real changes there, either.

Actually, we could be waiting a while. According to cyanogen as well as a lott of other devs, the g2 isn't as vanilla as first thought. There's a lot of HTC crap over it and someof the stuff is designed to look like stock while being something else entirely. The point is, it could take a while for us to get it......at least officially....
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xSunny said:
Def give it a couple of days let the devs go through the sdk..
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The SDK isn't the source code though, just the stuff to help you develop Android apps.
Anyone know when the source code usually gets released ? Will it be the day the Nexus S ships ? Or before/after ?

They said it would be coming soon but they said the same for the announcement of 2.3 and that wait felt like forever.
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As a general rule newer versions of android are merged into aosp within a few weeks to a month after the sdk. At least that's what we've historically seen.
It is possible and fairly easy to create a port from the sdk however it tends to be buggy at best.
Once we get a link from an ota from the nexus one we should be able to put together a proper port.
If you're waiting for Cyanogenmod you'll be waiting til 2.3 hita aosp as steve and company build directly from the source.
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rp1783 said:
As a general rule newer versions of android are merged into aosp within a few weeks to a month after the sdk. At least that's what we've historically seen.
It is possible and fairly easy to create a port from the sdk however it tends to be buggy at best.
Once we get a link from an ota from the nexus one we should be able to put together a proper port.
If you're waiting for Cyanogenmod you'll be waiting til 2.3 hita aosp as steve and company build directly from the source.
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Well yeah lets see since the nexus one is pretty similar visually to the g2 instead of the hardware keyboard we have we should def be able to switch around the update nd use it for us =] cant wait!

I'm with @THE ORANGE BANDIT...im loving sense...I also don't know if I would go back to it...but than again I could just switch back and fourth between gingerbread and sense
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T-Mobile reps told me when I bought the G2 that it was going to be getting the OTAs first, along with the MT4G. So you can possibly expect enomther to release it first.

Azrael3123 said:
Actually, we could be waiting a while. According to cyanogen as well as a lott of other devs, the g2 isn't as vanilla as first thought. There's a lot of HTC crap over it and someof the stuff is designed to look like stock while being something else entirely. The point is, it could take a while for us to get it......at least officially....
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source?
If there's no source theres no proof.

omarsalmin said:
source?
If there's no source theres no proof.
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Source? Source for what? Whether the G2 is stock android? That isn't speculation, at this point its a fact that it isn't "clean" android. If you want to be sure of that, just read cyanogens posts in his thread or the nightly discussions. Gingerbread will need to be ported to this phone just like with any phone running a custom ui albeit faster though because HTC didn't go as far as a whole custom ui. Regardless, I would be willing to bet that gingerbread source is released and ported to cyanogenmod before the G2 gets an OTA.
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Even if the stock G2 rom isn't quite as pure as it looks, should that even matter? Isn't the point of something like CM to get AOSP to run on the phone? I was under the impression that CM included very few hacks that are device specific.

Barret7sc said:
Even if the stock G2 rom isn't quite as pure as it looks, should that even matter? Isn't the point of something like CM to get AOSP to run on the phone? I was under the impression that CM included very few hacks that are device specific.
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No, it doesn't matter if your phone is rooted and running a custom rom. I was reffering to the delay for an official gingerbread OTA. That's why I said it would be ported to CM before its officially ported to the G2.
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Gingerbread is not out for the Nexus One yet. Also once the source for it is released then the rom makers can start working on it

Azrael3123 said:
No, it doesn't matter if your phone is rooted and running a custom rom. I was reffering to the delay for an official gingerbread OTA. That's why I said it would be ported to CM before its officially ported to the G2.
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Sorry about that. Apparently I am having trouble reading today.

The new nexus will be running stock gingerbread I'm assuming? Or a mashed up version of touchwiz :vomit: / gingerbread
[G2/HTC Vision]

luis86dr said:
The new nexus will be running stock gingerbread I'm assuming? Or a mashed up version of touchwiz :vomit: / gingerbread
[G2/HTC Vision]
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Yes, stock Android on 2.3

Gingerbread drops tonight

For anyone thats interested, if you havent been following, i would start following Ultimate Droid... He was the very first developer to release an built from source full AOSP rom for us (before even Obsidian came out) and he facebooked as well as tweeted that TONIGHT he is going to be releasing another built from source, AOSP... GINGERBREAD 2.3 build for us tonight.. Not a theme... but the real deal the actual AOSP full rom.. so stay tuned
Heres a link to his website / forums / downloads... I beleive you need to register on the site (free) in order to access the content
http://www.theultimatedroid.com/forum/index.php?/files/category/27-motorola-droid-x/
http://www.theultimatedroid.com/forum/index.php?app=forums

Is it full Gingerbread, or just sprinkles of it?

Sounds like a full AOSP build of gingerbread.
Sounds very interesting

Interesting...heard this ROM is still quite buggy.

That would make my day.

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SWEET!
doubt it's gonna be a fully working build. but I'll definitely be keeping an eye on this for when a fully working build is released

Me likey.
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Mortalys77 said:
Is it full Gingerbread, or just sprinkles of it?
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its taken from the gingerbread source code, so its the actual AOSP rom.. not hacked up bits and peices, but a direct port from source

joe92t said:
its taken from the gingerbread source code, so its the actual aosp rom.. Not hacked up bits and peices, but a direct port from source
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so. Excited. :d :d :d :d

This sounds awesome, especially knowing the work of Ultimate Droid. Keep us updated here when it drops!

xxDriveNxx said:
This sounds awesome, especially knowing the work of Ultimate Droid. Keep us updated here when it drops!
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I have three tabs open to the site. And I'm on Facebook, and Twitter. I want this MEOW!

Joe92T said:
its taken from the gingerbread source code, so its the actual AOSP rom.. not hacked up bits and peices, but a direct port from source
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It can't be a direct port, because gingerbread uses. 35 kernel and we are stuck with a. 32 kernel...
Its just gingerbread parts built from source I would gather.
U can't port the whole thing without the kernel.

so. stoked.

is there an ETA for tonight? I see the 3.0 beta's have been posted.

idk where the OP gets his info because nothing, i repeat, NOTHING, has been said about the x yet but since other 3..0.0 betas have been released we could hope for the x 3.0 soon

Yeah I checked ultimatedroids twitter and didn't see anything.

We sure have seen a lot of crying wolf about this ROM.
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11:59 hurry up!

As someone else mentioned, I don't see how this can be called a "true" gingerbread ROM without the newest kernel, etc to go along with it. Sounds more like applications taken from the source and changed to work on 2.2.1.

CM7 Nighlies Updated: 8/1/11

ADVANCED USERS ONLY.
MAKE A BACKUP. THESE BUILDS COULD MAKE THE PHONE USELESS AS A PHONE!
SERIOUSLY. This is an unofficial CM7 build with cherry picks (from CM's Gerrit) of unfinished mods and/or broken code that is continually changing. New users should STAY AWAY FROM HERE. There is NO SUPPORT for this build, by myself or anyone else, so don't expect it. Do not file bug reports on the CM issue tracker from these builds. If you have to ask about compatibilities (which HBOOT version is needed, if A2SD scripts work, etc) you SHOULDN'T BE HERE. Don't PM me with silly questions, because they probably won't be answered.Rebased to CM source @ 8/1/11
I understand there is no support provided, and I will brick my phone by flashing this! OLD 3/31 BUILD
md5sum: 2d66e2e72e775ef736b0daa49ab22b6b
SHA1: dce98e947a08b52726fb0a2bf324e05ef2581b12
All credit goes to cyanogen & #teamdouche, I'm just a guy with a spare computer that learned how to compile and install Ubuntu without breaking Windows 8....
Credit to @RyanMacG for #Euroskank hosting!​Some recent device related CM7 commits since last build:
None. At least on the official CM git.
Items from CM's Gerrit I have manually cherry-picked:
Not seeing any good ones. Look and suggest some!
If I stop using certain cherry picked commits all of a sudden, it's either: because they were merged, or the mod is based on older code than what is in CM currently and merge fails.
Known Bugs:
None apart from what the latest official slayher build has AFAIK
Build Status
Getting source for mecha related stuff and finding code to cherry pick. Should be built and uploaded by 9:30AM 8/2/11 CST
Please visit @cmsrc or CM's Gerrit for a complete list of commits.
Style of thread kanged from fitsnugly's Nexus One thread with permission.

So there are still a lot of issues with the gb build then? Or are they nearing a final working version? And by no means am i asking for an eta or anything just curious as to the progress being made.

Right now it runs. That's all I can say. But it is a lot better of a first build than other devices.... If I can get a working vendor built this weekend,we may see some progress(wifi working maybe....)
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Same thing that was with my builds guys. Not worth it. Compile on your own for now if you really want this. There is no data, no calls, nothing. Until RIL is figured out, then CyanogenMod 7 is useless. I will be building full time once RIL is sorted but for now, these are useless other than having bragging rights. Not trying to discourage the OP but rather letting the masses know what's up.

otto888 said:
Right now it runs. That's all I can say. But it is a lot better of a first build than other devices.... If I can get a working vendor built this weekend,we may see some progress(wifi working maybe....)
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Might be able to get some help from @gearheadcustoms and @gridlock (Twitter) in fixing some of the issues you mentioned. A running CM7 nightly is progress. Sure this will be all fixed up within due time. Thanks to Euroskank, with corpses

ProTekk said:
Same thing that was with my builds guys. Not worth it. Compile on your own for now if you really want this. There is no data, no calls, nothing. Until RIL is figured out, then CyanogenMod 7 is useless. I will be building full time once RIL is sorted but for now, these are useless other than having bragging rights. Not trying to discourage the OP but rather letting the masses know what's up.
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What's the issue with RIL?

i have a build from another dev that runs and i have gapps but no data so you cant sign in and wifi throws you into a bootloop...we needa kernel and i think we will finally have GB for the TB!

RIL: Radio Interface Layer.
The only reason that we have no data/text/calling/etc for CM 7. These threads are beating a dead horse. Wait until we have a working test build. I'll start building again once we have that.
The issue is, it's not open source.

ProTekk said:
RIL: Radio Interface Layer.
The only reason that we have no data/text/calling/etc for CM 7. These threads are beating a dead horse. Wait until we have a working test build. I'll start building again once we have that.
The issue is, it's not open source.
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Right I thought RIL was made open source, guess not. But like all development, it starts with baby steps. Thank ProTekk

Man i cant wiat till yous figure this out...Im jonesin for sum GB

I think the title needs changing, and I really wish these builds were not posted if no one was willing to support them.
We end up getting the questions on irc, people don't read the disclaimers/warnings. The howto stealing sites (thats you A.T.) remove the warnings.
Maybe change title to "CM Builds - DATEHERE - NON-FUNCTIONAL" so less ppl will mess with it.

So we need to find the RIL files leaked? Or how do you get them?

andrew53517 said:
So we need to find the RIL files leaked? Or how do you get them?
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You give the devs time to RE them, and write new ones.

jcase said:
You give the devs time to RE them, and write new ones.
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Oh gotcha. So they have to make them compatible. That makes more sense. Now the closed source comment makes sense.
Thunderbolt Rooted!

This is absurd. Mods should lock this thread until we get a working rom.

No offense... but why? This thread is misleading, this thread will cause noobs too eff up their sh*t (despite your clearly stated warnings, they will not take them seriously), this thread is utterly useless because CM7 is not working, CM Parts are not working, RIL is not working...
Flashing this will make your phone useless (just like this thread).
Besides, there are already threads dedicated to compiling daily builds of CM7. Those threads have been put on hold (like they should) until CM7 is ready to be compiled. Even then, many people will flash extremely early builds of CM and wonder why certain functionality is missing or why x,y, and z does not work.
The underlying point is that this thread is going nowhere fast and will only cause problems. At least wait until the RIL is re-engineered and working.

Thank you.

Prrrooo sup d; ?
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nerogold said:
Prrrooo sup d; ?
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Not much back full time again
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Good to see .anxious to flash cm7.
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[DEV WANTED] Simply AOSP

Hello guys,
As many of you know, I've become a traitor, and by that I mean I now have the Nexus S 4G.
Simply AOSP is the ROM I have devoted a lot of my time to on the forums here, it doesn't have the user base of ACS stamped ROM's but seems to have a lot of dedicated users.
With my leaving the Epic 4G behind me I will no longer be as focused on Simply AOSP as I had been. I will update it as I can but I'm looking for a developer or two to come on board and co-pilot the ROM with me for a while and eventually take it over entirely.
The goal of Simply AOSP was to basically clone CM6/CM7/AOSP as much as possible for Epic users who love AOSP. I'd like to find someone who also loves AOSP and wants to continue to bring the most AOSP experience as possible to the ROM's users.
If you haven't tried Simply AOSP I recommend you flash it and take a look, if it seems like something you'd want to be a part of please contact me via PM.
I'm open minded with "requirements" for potential developers but please include your experience just so I have an idea of what you're capable of. I will help make the transition as smooth as possible.
That said you all will see me in the Epic section of the forums less and less. Despite some of the interesting drama it's been a blast and I've enjoyed working with and talking to all of you!!!

I volunteer k0nane
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Whosdaman said:
I volunteer k0nane
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lol I like how you think.

Whosdaman said:
I volunteer k0nane
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LOL considering he's gone I don't see that happening.. He would probably do an awesome job though.

Hey, aosp is one of the easiest to work on. And you've done the hard part
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Whosdaman said:
Hey, aosp is one of the easiest to work on. And you've done the hard part
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Yeah it really just needs a maintainer to keep it up to date.. add in some enhancements of their own or of the communities as they are discovered. The update to Gingerbread will take some Themeing skills and possibly a few Simply Settings updates but otherwise.. yeah agreed very easy.

TheDub said:
Yeah it really just needs a maintainer to keep it up to date.. add in some enhancements of their own or of the communities as they are discovered. The update to Gingerbread will take some Themeing skills and possibly a few Simply Settings updates but otherwise.. yeah agreed very easy.
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Hell I would do it, but I'm still learning
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Maybe I should take the pludge by the way you guys are talking. I have been meaning to dual boot linux and set up a dev enviroment, but I haven't even taken the time to figure that out. Well if maybe your down to skype someday and get me up to speed I maybe down to try and keep the boat afloat. I do think based on the work he's done that koane should pick up the work, but I don't know what all the shat that went down was all about so who knows. Anyways let me know dub.
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bryanfritz1 said:
Maybe I should take the pludge by the way you guys are talking. I have been meaning to dual boot linux and set up a dev enviroment, but I haven't even taken the time to figure that out. Well if maybe your down to skype someday and get me up to speed I maybe down to try and keep the boat afloat. I do think based on the work he's done that koane should pick up the work, but I don't know what all the shat that went down was all about so who knows. Anyways let me know dub.
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Simply AOSP has been developed entirely with Windows (OK and some Mac OS X but mostly Windows, no Linux at all). The only time you would need Linux is if you were compiling real AOSP or a Kernel. However I didn't write the Kernel it's just Genocide. It's also just a AOSP clone so it's been a customization of the stock Touchwiz ROM which can be done with Windows.
The only real code I've written is Simply Settings which can also be developed in Windows (or Linux and Mac OS X for that matter) with Eclipse. It's not a very complicated program but it would need some Java knowledge, otherwise I would continue maintenance on that.
Biggest things that would be needed would be...
1.) Themeing skills (Simply AOSP comes with 3 themes built in)
--These are a must.. there is a lot of Themeing and it will be the most time consuming part of converting the rom to Gingerbread in the future.
2.) General knowledge about the filesystem layout and what does what. (Easier then it sounds)
3.) Java / Scripting knowledge if you plan to take control of Simply Settings.
4.) Time. It's mostly feature complete as of right now, but needs a maintainer who will be able to integrate future enhancements. When I say this I'm referring to enhancements you make or that the community makes.
Since it's an AOSP clone it's very easy feature wise because it doesn't need a lot of features.

Why Atrix developers doesn't seem like to dev directly from ICS AOSP?

Usually, (for other devices of course), ICS roms that are developed from AOSP tend to be more stable, less buggy and better than CM9 roms, so im kind of curious why Atrix developers have decided to work on CM9, even thought its far from complete?
Just a question.

djluis48 said:
Usually, (for other devices of course), ICS roms that are developed from AOSP tend to be more stable, less buggy and better than CM9 roms, so im kind of curious why Atrix developers have decided to work on CM9, even thought its far from complete?
Just a question.
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because CM9 is what we all want in the end.

djluis48 said:
Usually, (for other devices of course), ICS roms that are developed from AOSP tend to be more stable, less buggy and better than CM9 roms, so im kind of curious why Atrix developers have decided to work on CM9, even thought its far from complete?
Just a question.
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I'm not 100% but I think the developers need something from the moto/nvidia which is why the rom was ported from the photon and not just built From the ground up .
Again not 100%
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djluis48 said:
Usually, (for other devices of course), ICS roms that are developed from AOSP tend to be more stable, less buggy and better than CM9 roms, so im kind of curious why Atrix developers have decided to work on CM9, even thought its far from complete?
Just a question.
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NVidia won't release the drivers and sources required to accomplish this, so a 1/2 ass port is all that can be done at the moment. This has nothing to do with the devs. They are giving us the best they can with what they have right now.

djluis48 said:
Usually, (for other devices of course), ICS roms that are developed from AOSP tend to be more stable, less buggy and better than CM9 roms, so im kind of curious why Atrix developers have decided to work on CM9, even thought its far from complete?
Just a question.
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Please open eyes before posting. Development are working hard and doing what they can.
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JayRolla said:
Please open eyes before posting. Development are working hard and doing what they can.
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Not saying that they arent working hard, just asking why they choosing CM9 instead of AOSP 4.0, just a simple question. And ponting out that builds based on AOSP seems to be more solid and stable than builds based on CM9, mostly because CM9 itself its still not from complete
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Also, IIRC, they're borrowing heavily from CM7 for our current CM9 builds. I believe we'll see more options when we finally get official source and drivers in Q3.
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CaelanT said:
NVidia won't release the drivers and sources required to accomplish this, so a 1/2 ass port is all that can be done at the moment. This has nothing to do with the devs. They are giving us the best they can with what they have right now.
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Please read the above before commenting again! If you had read it the first time you would not have posted what you did below!.............Or maybe you still would have, who knows!!! You can program all you want for an AOSP ROM, but without device specific drivers you can never optimize for any one device. Simple as this, for any ICS on the Atrix, whether AOSP, CM9, MIUI, or whatever, you still need device drivers. Try running your NVidia graphics card in your computer without a driver................yeah, see what I mean (but then again you might like 640 x 480!)!
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Not saying that they arent working hard, just asking why they choosing CM9 instead of AOSP 4.0, just a simple question. And ponting out that builds based on AOSP seems to be more solid and stable than builds based on CM9, mostly because CM9 itself its still not from complete
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BTW...........Please link the AOSP 4.0 builds for the Atrix you are referring to!

CaelanT said:
Please read the above before commenting again! If you had read it the first time you would not have posted what you did below!.............Or maybe you still would have, who knows!!! You can program all you want for an AOSP ROM, but without device specific drivers you can never optimize for any one device. Simple as this, for any ICS on the Atrix, whether AOSP, CM9, MIUI, or whatever, you still need device drivers. Try running your NVidia graphics card in your computer without a driver................yeah, see what I mean (but then again you might like 640 x 480!)!
BTW...........Please link the AOSP 4.0 builds for the Atrix you are referring to!
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You're rude.

Purple Drama Llama said:
You're rude.
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No! I already answered the question earlier in the thread, but OP obviously is not reading and persists.
Both my posts were quite nice actually!
Bye!
BTW, why no comment about this post being rude?:
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Please open eyes before posting. Development are working hard and doing what they can.
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CaelanT said:
BTW...........Please link the AOSP 4.0 builds for the Atrix you are referring to![/B]
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Woops, i forgot to tell that i was refering to other devices AOSP 4.0 ROMS, but if you are as inteligent as you seems to be, you should have known that because the Atrix actually doesn't have any rom coded from AOPS 4.0, at least on this forum.
The roms i was refering to was ICS Passion and ICS Euforia, both made by the same developer, Neobuddy, made for the Samsung Vibrant, a 1ghz phone, with 512mb for ram, without official drivrrs released, and the rom is more stable than the current Atrix ICS builds (no offend, i recongnize the guys are doing a great job making it happen), and almost as smooth as a the builds, and that phone is in a similar condition driver-related, that its, without any drivers being released. Thats why my doubt came, why the developers chiosed CM9 as a base, even thought it isnt really stable yet, and not completed, and why builds made from AOSP 4.0 tend to be more stable?
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djluis48 said:
Woops, i forgot to tell that i was refering to other devices AOSP 4.0 ROMS, but if you are as inteligent as you seems to be, you should have known that because the Atrix actually doesn't have any rom coded from AOPS 4.0, at least on this forum.
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And that's why I asked you to link them. You are comparing AOSP ROM's on other devices to CM9 on other devices. Because you see something run more smoothly on one device, does not directly mean it will run smoothly on another device. In any event, your question was answered in as far as there are drivers and source that the devs do not have in order to make any ICS based ROM's work optimally on the Atrix. If I had to hazard a guess as to why the devs are using CM9 as a base, it would be because the groundwork has been laid for them. The Atrix doesn't have an army of devs, so we get a smaller mix of options with ROM's.

CaelanT said:
And that's why I asked you to link them. You are comparing AOSP ROM's on other devices to CM9 on other devices. Because you see something run more smoothly on one device, does not directly mean it will run smoothly on another device. In any event, your question was answered in as far as there are drivers and source that the devs do not have in order to make any ICS based ROM's work optimally on the Atrix. If I had to hazard a guess as to why the devs are using CM9 as a base, it would be because the groundwork has been laid for them. The Atrix doesn't have an army of devs, so we get a smaller mix of options with ROM's.
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The OP was asking why the Atrix doesn't have AOSP ROM's.. so you.. ask him to link them?
I've been lurking around the forums since the release of this phone and you have got to be one of my favorite posters so far, give me a good laugh every time.
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Celidonius said:
The OP was asking why the Atrix doesn't have AOSP ROM's.. so you.. ask him to link them?
I've been lurking around the forums since the release of this phone and you have got to be one of my favorite posters so far, give me a good laugh every time.
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I wrote something about that yesterday but in the mist of trying to add a pic xda app fc'd.
+1
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I kind of think I get what the OP is asking. He's asking why build a really souped up race car where as a regular car is just as fine. Seems like he's not picky and he would be content with anything stable vs anything available now. But that's another thread isn't it?
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