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Can the HD2 be as fast as the Desire with Android?

Hey guys,
don't get me wrong, I am not talking about the current stage of android on HD2.
What the guys here established so far is mindblowing, but still we are nowhere near the performance of a pure android phone like the HTC Desire.
Question is, is it possible, with a fully optimized kernel and the OS running in NAND to achieve the performance of a HTC Desire?
Having in mind, that we are basically talking about the very same hardware platform regarding cpu/gpu/ram:
Qualcomm Snapdragon 8250
ATI/AMD Z430 GPU
576 MB of RAM.
So what do you guys think?
boba

I went to a sprint store with my HD2 running Darkstone's v5 and it seems to be just as fast as, if not faster than the Evo, so there's no reason to presume it wouldn't be the same for the Desire.

I think we will have to wait until
- we can flash android directly as ROM and not only boot it and have it running on a sdcard
- the full memory available can be used. Currently the amount of ram used by android is around 250 Mbyte as far as I know. So nearly a half of ram is unused at the moment.
I am very sure that we will have great performance mostly like on desire when these points are realized.

If I use a live wallpaper on my HD2, there are some stutters when I open the "all apps"-tab. With a static wall it is in fact as smooth as the desire I used for comparison.
But I guess the overall performance is still on a way lower level than it should be out of a fully utilized NAND

Bare in mind, contrary to what you might think, Windows Mobile is in fact NOT running in any entirety once HaRET shuts it all down.
Phil

when will an android ROM be available that runs from flash
Hi,
I am interested in running android, I am a software developer so I have a clue but I have never put a non-htc rom in my hd2.
What is the timescale for an android rom being available that will replace the windows carp?
i was also wondering why so many people are creating their own versions rather than people grouping together to solve the various driver problems etc.
it seems a vastly over complex and risky process which is why i have not tried it, let alone deciding which flavour to choose.
i basically want to turn my hd2 into a decent phone, the hardware is good, the OS is carp but as yet there does not seem to be a decent way to run android other than buy an android phone.
not wanting a flame war here, i just don't get it.

I'm running Shub's Cyanogen and it already runs faster than my brother's Desire for the majority of tasks.
So yes.

@john00williams
how complex and risky is downloading a rar, extract it onto you SDcard, then running 1 exe file and waiting?! if after 10 mins you dont see android home screen, then you remove your battery to restart the phone and wait for new android build while using your old WM!!
you dont delete anything or remove anything.
how is that complex?? how??
also, fact that android is running from SD card only slows the bootup, while android itself is not visibly slower, cause WM is shut down completely and android is loaded into memory. for optimal usage you should have level 6 SD card anyway

kerman19 said:
Bare in mind, contrary to what you might think, Windows Mobile is in fact NOT running in any entirety once HaRET shuts it all down.
Phil
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THANKYOU, I dont know why so many people are finding that hard to understand
john00williams said:
Hi,
I am interested in running android, I am a software developer so I have a clue but I have never put a non-htc rom in my hd2.
What is the timescale for an android rom being available that will replace the windows carp?
i was also wondering why so many people are creating their own versions rather than people grouping together to solve the various driver problems etc.
it seems a vastly over complex and risky process which is why i have not tried it, let alone deciding which flavour to choose.
i basically want to turn my hd2 into a decent phone, the hardware is good, the OS is carp but as yet there does not seem to be a decent way to run android other than buy an android phone.
not wanting a flame war here, i just don't get it.
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Noone has any idea how long a full nand build will take, but I've read in a few places that a ETA is september...
All the devs are sharing their work as far as i can see.
there are 2 or 3 main builds now, the rest are older work...
Complex?
Get the right radio, rom, and put android on the root of your SD and run it.
Not complex at all, childs play infact.
the HD2 IS A GOOD phone. Just because you dont like winmo doesnt change that.
Maybe you should have researched a little before buying it...
If you wanted android, why the didn't you buy it?
to everyone else booting android on the hd2 is a bonus.
Please search before posting too, everything I just said has been said countless times

john00williams said:
it seems a vastly over complex and risky process which is why i have not tried it, let alone deciding which flavour to choose.
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Risky? It runs off the memory card, there is zero to little risk. Other than the phone heating up a little the phone being damaged is highly unlikely. And with SetCPU running mine doesn't heat up any more than it did under Windows Mobile when running intensive apps or services.
john00williams said:
i basically want to turn my hd2 into a decent phone, the hardware is good, the OS is carp but as yet there does not seem to be a decent way to run android other than buy an android phone.
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You can tell you haven't tried out one of the recent Android builds. If I was asked to assign a percentage of usability to the Cyanogen build I'm using off my class 6 Samsung card it would be 95% and the few things which are still ropey aren't essential, or certainly not for me. I can live without full bluetooth support for example.
My phone now has Android on it, that is how I think of it. I don't think of it as a WM phone that happens to be sort of running Android, a small but important point. I haven't used Windows Mobile now for over two weeks, and there is a reason for that.

@ the moment de devs are working to get full amount of ram. Cotulla said he see no problem to make nand work but there will be no nand until half of semptember for various reasons. I think they want first fix all other problems.

jan-willem3 said:
@ the moment de devs are working to get full amount of ram. Cotulla said he see no problem to make nand work but there will be no nand until half of semptember for various reasons. I think they want first fix all other problems.
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... and that makes sense definitly. It is much easier to fix issues by for example replacing a zimage file than flashing a new rom. Also we have the possibility to boot in wimo when problems occure. In my case I have four different android builds on my sdcard as I can not make a final decision which version to run yet. Some receive frequent updates, some don't.
So we should not see the lack of a nand rom too negative, its a great opportunity to fix most of the issues.

if only scrolling is smoother , all things willl be fine with me

Pagnell said:
My phone now has Android on it, that is how I think of it. I don't think of it as a WM phone that happens to be sort of running Android, a small but important point. I haven't used Windows Mobile now for over two weeks, and there is a reason for that.
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Likewise, I've not run Windows Mobile for about the same amount of time, even when people were getting issues with the early builds, I wasn't.
Windows Mobile for me is gone, even in its current state, it's far more usable than my stock HD2 ever was!
I'm still on Froyo1.0, I've not tried any of the Sense Builds out.
Phil

Ask any one a month ago how they liked the desire build they would have said its buggy and needs to be smoothed out. I have fixed every thing on my desire build (except 3g=working on it) but i have the energy rom now and 2.12 radio and runing the desire v5.7 biuld and let me tell you it is way faster than last month so sept. sounds great for the rest of the bugs to be sorted out so can the desire build run fast on the hd2 just like the born android desire? ill have to say yes
p.s. i cant say ill get rid of winmo all together thats kinda the reason i bought the phone booting into android is just one extra bonus

At the moment there is only a limited amount of RAM available.
And SD cards are really really slow when writing to(even the expensive class 10 ones).
These two factors combined is the biggest performance problem at the moment. Nand and full RAM access is the only solution here I believe.
There are several benchmark programs for Android that you can run on your hd2 to see that in some areas performance is just as good as with the desire already. Thanks to the brilliant minds that work on porting Android.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

runemail said:
At the moment there is only a limited amount of RAM available.
And SD cards are really really slow when writing to(even the expensive class 10 ones).
These two factors combined is the biggest performance problem at the moment. Nand and full RAM access is the only solution here I believe.
There are several benchmark programs for Android that you can run on your hd2 to see that in some areas performance is just as good as with the desire already. Thanks to the brilliant minds that work on porting Android.
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I have the htc incredible for my work phone. I am using a class 6 8gb sdcard, miri's rom, and darkstones hd2froyo. There is almost no difference between the phones. Less then 10% in speed. My incredible is stock however.

Will it be possible to put both android and winmo on nand in the future?

I just recently had the chance to run my HD2 with MattC RC 1.4 side by side with a Desire and an EVO and honestly, there is little to no difference in performance in MY personal build, which for whatever reason has been pretty much flawless since I started using these Android builds. Believe it or not, I have literally never once (knock on wood) had a SOD, other than my bootup having the green screen once or twice and white screen once. I actually tried going back to WinMo the other day and literally just couldn't stomach it, the functionality just doesn't cut it for me even though I still say it is the better "business" platform when compared to Android. Too long winded? Probably.

jjones1983 said:
I just recently had the chance to run my HD2 with MattC RC 1.4 side by side with a Desire and an EVO and honestly, there is little to no difference in performance in MY personal build, which for whatever reason has been pretty much flawless since I started using these Android builds. Believe it or not, I have literally never once (knock on wood) had a SOD, other than my bootup having the green screen once or twice and white screen once. I actually tried going back to WinMo the other day and literally just couldn't stomach it, the functionality just doesn't cut it for me even though I still say it is the better "business" platform when compared to Android. Too long winded? Probably.
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add for that thet we have proper multitouch with no multitouch issues like one (desire , nexusone and incredible )

Desire HD roms are slow on my HD2

I have an HD2 with SPL 2.08 and radio 2.15 , WinMo rom - Dexter .sencity 21.11 .
I have tried with other combinations too. My SD card is the original class 2 2gb micro SD. When I install Desire rom it works fast and everything is fine. When I put a Desire HD rom however it is slow - i takes 1-2 secs for it to open keyboard or the menus and so on. I dont know what the problem is or how can I see exactly how slow it is. Any help would be much appreciated! It is odd that people report that the Desire HD roms are really fast when they are slow on my HD2. Probably I messed up something but I dont know what so please HELP! I have tried different roms from m-deejay and Sergio76 and so on. The Froyo stock roms also work fast and flawless. I know there is another thread but it is in another section and there are no responses because this sections has 100x more activity. THank you!

Man honestly to rule out any possibilities of the ROM being the factor you have to use a class 6 or above sd card, otherwise you have no way of really troubleshooting what your problem is. Also, Devs mention in the releases all the time the Radio and WinMo ROM they use so to insure the same performance they can only give you what they are running as well.

SkyWalka said:
Man honestly to rule out any possibilities of the ROM being the factor you have to use a class 6 or above sd card, otherwise you have no way of really troubleshooting what your problem is. Also, Devs mention in the releases all the time the Radio and WinMo ROM they use so to insure the same performance they can only give you what they are running as well.
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The class of the SD card has nothing to do with it. The majority or people that have tried a class 4 and above say it is a lot worse than the stock SD card. I have tried and it was a lot worse for me also.
The Windows ROM and radio can have a LOT to do with it though.

m2]iceman said:
I have an HD2 with SPL 2.08 and radio 2.15 , WinMo rom - Dexter .sencity 21.11 .
I have tried with other combinations too. My SD card is the original class 2 2gb micro SD. When I install Desire rom it works fast and everything is fine. When I put a Desire HD rom however it is slow - i takes 1-2 secs for it to open keyboard or the menus and so on. I dont know what the problem is or how can I see exactly how slow it is. Any help would be much appreciated! It is odd that people report that the Desire HD roms are really fast when they are slow on my HD2. Probably I messed up something but I dont know what so please HELP! I have tried different roms from m-deejay and Sergio76 and so on. The Froyo stock roms also work fast and flawless. I know there is another thread but it is in another section and there are no responses because this sections has 100x more activity. THank you!
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By the way, how long exactly did you give it? These HD Roms can literally take hours to settle in and they won't be real speedy until they are completely done syncing everything. I have noticed that sometimes you won't see the sync icon but things will still be syncing in the background, inlcuding the Android market because these new Roms backup all your apps and data with the market and HTC sense. I am using Sergio76's and it is flying so I would try again but give it a lot of time to settle. Hope it works out for you, good luck!

As Motoman said, it will take time for everything to sync, but many reboots is very important. I have been using Mdeejay's Desire HD 4.1 for three days now, and don't have any problems. I must have rebooted 8-10 times the original day and that helped extremely well with speed.

motoman234 said:
The class of the SD card has nothing to do with it. The majority or people that have tried a class 4 and above say it is a lot worse than the stock SD card. I have tried and it was a lot worse for me also.
The Windows ROM and radio can have a LOT to do with it though.
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At worst a class 6 card (for example) might not provide much in the way of an improvement over a stock class 2 but there is no way it would be 'a lot worse'.
Personally, I noticed a speed increase on identical builds when I swapped from my class 2 to a class 6 but nothing too drastic.

motoman234 said:
By the way, how long exactly did you give it? These HD Roms can literally take hours to settle in and they won't be real speedy until they are completely done syncing everything. I have noticed that sometimes you won't see the sync icon but things will still be syncing in the background, inlcuding the Android market because these new Roms backup all your apps and data with the market and HTC sense. I am using Sergio76's and it is flying so I would try again but give it a lot of time to settle. Hope it works out for you, good luck!
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I agree with motoman that sdcards have nothing to do with the speed they might make a very little difference which can be negligible, I am suffering from a lot of lag in desire HD builds............
@motoman234, so can you tell us how exactly we should install these desire hd roms ?,

i was having the same issue with the hd roms. i thought they were terrible. i now have MDJ FroYo HD v.4.3=-[kernel:MDJ S7.5HD] running very well. i had to change my rom to achieve this. the wmrom is useless IMO but it lets me run android hd now. i am using this rom
ChuckyDroidROM-HTCFrameworkEdition.Nov.05.7z
and this radio
Radio_Leo_2.15.50.14
i also install bsb tweaks in winmo and set to power save mode. turn off everything in winmo and auto boot to android with hard keys lit up.
it works for me

Same issue as OP here. All non-HD ROMs run really fast. But other Desire HD ROMs are plain terrible speed-wise. I have a good Class 6 card.

It's a kernel issue. There is nothing you can do.

Pagnell said:
At worst a class 6 card (for example) might not provide much in the way of an improvement over a stock class 2 but there is no way it would be 'a lot worse'.
Personally, I noticed a speed increase on identical builds when I swapped from my class 2 to a class 6 but nothing too drastic.
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To each is own I suppose. I can only speak for myself when I say that a class 6 card made me have SOD every time when waking the phone from sleep, not to mention overall less performance. Not sure what it is about them but it was bad in my case but I doubt every single person will experience this.

vtec303 said:
I agree with motoman that sdcards have nothing to do with the speed they might make a very little difference which can be negligible, I am suffering from a lot of lag in desire HD builds............
@motoman234, so can you tell us how exactly we should install these desire hd roms ?,
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It is a bit time consuming to get them rolling smooth for the first time but these are the steps I usually use when installing them for those of you that can not get them running like they should.
1) Boot up the build (fresh start)
2) Wait a couple minutes before unlocking the screen for the first time.
3) Setup everything in the SetupWizard.
4) From the moment you hit the "Finish" button on the SetupWizard, set your phone down for about 30-45 minutes before touching anything (OFF the charger if possible since it can get really hot when it is syncing everything for the first time. Charging can just add to that heat)
5) After you notice things to get a little faster, reboot the phone and then boot back into Android.
6) Wait another 5 minutes before unlocking the phone.
7) You should be good to go, if things still seem a little laggy try to reboot one more time.
I know this seems overboard but these HD builds have a lot to them. After you get the process over with you should be happy you did it. Once again **This is just what works for me** I am using Core Droid V0.2 by the way.

@Motoman234,
Not overboard...it's good advice. Thank you for the steps! P.S. Good to see a chef from my neck of the woods! Thank you sir!!

motoman234 said:
The class of the SD card has nothing to do with it. The majority or people that have tried a class 4 and above say it is a lot worse than the stock SD card. I have tried and it was a lot worse for me also.
The Windows ROM and radio can have a LOT to do with it though.
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Pagnell said:
At worst a class 6 card (for example) might not provide much in the way of an improvement over a stock class 2 but there is no way it would be 'a lot worse'.
Personally, I noticed a speed increase on identical builds when I swapped from my class 2 to a class 6 but nothing too drastic.
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The Speed of the SD card has nothing to do with the roms performance.
The only difference that we will feel between a 'Class 2' and a 'Class 6' is when copying files to or from the SD card.
I noticed that on my 16GB Class 2, I have a transfer rate up to 4 MB/s when copying the Android folder and this card is supposed to have a maximum of 2mb writing while on my 8GB Class 6 I can copy up to 10 Mb/s the same Android folder (twice as fast).
But when Android runs I don't feel any difference at all.
The reason why the Desire HD roms are slow on the HD2 is because these roms were optimized to work under 768 MB RAM while our HD2 has only 576 MB RAM.
We barely have 100MB of free RAM with a Desire HD rom but with a stock rom we can have 300MB and more free.

ForceField said:
The Speed of the SD card has nothing to do with the roms performance.
The only difference that we will feel between a 'Class 2' and a 'Class 6' is when copying files to or from the SD card.
I noticed that on my 16GB Class 2, I have a transfer rate up to 4 MB/s when copying the Android folder and this card is supposed to have a maximum of 2mb writing while on my 8GB Class 6 I can copy up to 10 Mb/s the same Android folder (twice as fast).
But when Android runs I don't feel any difference at all.
The reason why the Desire HD roms are slow on the HD2 is because these roms were optimized to work under 768 MB RAM while our HD2 has only 576 MB RAM.
We barely have 100MB of free RAM with a Desire HD rom but with a stock rom we can have 300MB and more free.
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I think what makes it worse is that we dont get 576mb ram in android, as this has not been built into kernels, we are only getting about 350mb of ram. If I check my available ram it is around the 300mb mark and has never been above 350mb.

u must just reboot you device after 1-st boot

hookguy said:
I think what makes it worse is that we dont get 576mb ram in android, as this has not been built into kernels, we are only getting about 350mb of ram. If I check my available ram it is around the 300mb mark and has never been above 350mb.
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Yes,the secret of having a good performance on any device is to have 1/3 of the amount of RAM always free.
For ex if you have 3GB of ram,you can use till 2GB and you will be very good.
But if you use 2.1 GB of the 3GB then don't think twice and upgrade immediately.
We are using this equation on our servers and t works pretty well,at least for our company.

I've only tested desire_hd beta and Core Droid HD v0.2 so far. Nonetheless, both have been quick and solid here. Like mentioned by motoman234, give these builds time to sync your market apps and settle down, then reboot a couple times, and you should be good to go. If the build has heavy lag, it's most likely still trying to download your market apps and install them as well as sync your personal data. Patience is key here.
Also, this goes for every build, but make sure that your keypad lights are on when booting into android. Doing this has normally solved any high standby battery drain that I've run into to date.
As far as MircoSDHC cards go, I have tested a handful of different class and size cards with the HD2, and found that once the system is booted up, there's no difference, or the higher class cards have more SOD or freeze issues for some reason. The HD2 can only handle so much, and random read speed appears to be the most important factor. In turn, a good quality class 2 card should be all you need. That said, I've been running a Sandisk 32GB class 2 card for months now, without a single problem to date. Regardless of what card you use, I highly recommend using SD Formatter in quick format mode.
Another thought... it may help a little to use a standard wallpaper at first, instead of the live wallpaper, just until the system has settled down.
All that said, I'm a huge fan of Core Droid HD, due to the animations and polished theme work done by Sergio76. It's an excellent build, and you can easily get the camcorder working with the system files fix included in the thread.
On a kind of related note, motoman234 has an excellent EVO Sense Black & Blue Remix build available, if the Desire HD Sense builds are too heavy for your needs.
Best to all,
R

Well said, thanks man.

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Well said, thanks man.
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Cheers motoman234! And... thank you so much for your excellent build work and help. To say the least, your EVO remix has been extra solid here.
Best to all,
R

The rush to NAND, what am I missing here?

Since the first NAND build almost everyone here in the forum can't stop talking about it.
Am I the only one thinking, why do one need it?
- it makes no progress to functionality. We had everything already with SD builds.
- Switching between build is now longer and riskier.
- One needs to commit himself to a build because it won't be possible to jump from a sense to a stock, or from froyo to gingerbread with a single boot.
For example MDJ's gingerbread without GPS can be quickly switched to a full working froyo.
- With SD build one can take full potential of the storage on the phone. With NAND system size is limited and one can't install unlimited amount of apps.
- So boot time is longer with SD builds. Come-on got to be some other reason to move to NAND.
I open this discussion for people to enlight me what am I missing when I ask for SD builds.
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Maybe u should take a look at the NAND pro and contra thread.

I fully agree with you. I don't really understand the interest for NAND. It boots faster for sure and drains a little less but compared to the advantages you mentioned of sd card or even ram NAND is not for many people.

Aside from the battery life and faster boot I think most of the desire for Android NAND is due to the dislike/hatred of windows mobile on this phone.
HTC produced a stunningly specced phone and then slapped windows mobile on it with no option to upgrade to win phone 7 or sidegrade to Android, and a lot of people see that as a bit of a slap in the face. I certainly do. Stating that there will never be an android build from HTC for it and then producing the EVO was a bit disrespectful of customers.
Also there is the (for me) a slight feeling of im-permanence of the SD builds. Yes, they are great and its fun and useful to be able to switch between them at will but the nand versions just feel a bit more solid, if you will.
A lot of it is down to human nature rather than actual technological benefit, sort of a "Hah, you said we couldnt do it but we did, so forget you". (With apologies to Cee Lo Green).

abrise said:
I fully agree with you. I don't really understand the interest for NAND. It boots faster for sure and drains a little less but compared to the advantages you mentioned of sd card or even ram NAND is not for many people.
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DUH???
Are you guys forgetting that MAGLDR does support multiple SD builds boot
for me its a winner !~!

mally2 said:
DUH???
Are you guys forgetting that MAGLDR does support multiple SD builds boot
for me its a winner !~!
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+1
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

I dont get it why ppl make a topic only to whine about NAND. The devs put so much hard work in it and then they see topics like this.... plzzzzz
If u dont like it ... dont use it ok ... or buy a native android phone

zat0x said:
I dont get it why ppl make a topic only to whine about NAND. The devs put so much hard work in it and then they see topics like this.... plzzzzz
If u dont like it ... dont use it ok ... or buy a native android phone
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They didnt get enough hugs as a child??

As stated before it has many improvements over the SD version:
-battery life
-stability
-loading times
-there is no risk in bricking your phone(unless someone is very very stupid, and i am not saying that someone is)
-with the sd version a download from the market sometimes took 2 minutes, now it takes max 2-3 seconds.
-flashing back to winmo if you like is maximum 5 minutes
-flashing a new android takes max 5 minutes(MAX).
- no lag at all
I am sure there are more but this is what i could think of right now.
Try and you will see.

Seriously.. Why wouldn't you like having more options to choose from?
If you are afraid that devs will stop developing for SD builds, then you shouldn't be.. There are enough people out there staying with SD builds.
I just don't like the sluggishness the WM-boot gives me.. It adds another layer of uselessness to me, as I don't use WM anymore at all..
I love my HD2 running NAND with the HTC Desire HD build of gauner. For one, I don't have to be messing around with SD mounting and unmouting anymore. I hate the fact that the main OS actually tuns off the card that you should use as swappable storage, which it was introduced for.
Everyone is entitled to their respective opinions, and there is no harm in having more to choose from.

BLAST3RR said:
Seriously.. Why wouldn't you like having more options to choose from?
If you are afraid that devs will stop developing for SD builds, then you shouldn't be.. There are enough people out there staying with SD builds.
I just don't like the sluggishness the WM-boot gives me.. It adds another layer of uselessness to me, as I don't use WM anymore at all..
I love my HD2 running NAND with the HTC Desire HD build of gauner. For one, I don't have to be messing around with SD mounting and unmouting anymore. I hate the fact that the main OS actually tuns off the card that you should use as swappable storage, which it was introduced for.
Everyone is entitled to their respective opinions, and there is no harm in having more to choose from.
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+1 on that. I'll be sticking with SD builds for the foreseeable future. At least until Android is perfected. The Gingerbread build doesn't even have working GPS or camcorder and is NAND. That, to me, is ridiculous.

I know its been said enough already but the clincher for me was the improved battery life. I just got a full two days with phone usage (light) SMS usage (heavy) and WiFi usage (heavy). That really was a breath of fresh air in the world of 12 hrs SD builds.
Also, i think people were right to point out a lot of draw towards the NAND build has been a reaction to WM6.5. The OS was seriously lacking and was a poor choice to put on such a capable device. It lacked the real functionality of a smartphone which seriously hampered the HD2. With android the phone seems to get a new lease on life and i am quite happy in keeping it for another 1 year.
Although it is early days for NAND builds but i am sure with the passage of time their obviously advantages will be apparent to all. Although SD build do give you fast switching but seriously it becomes a pain to keep switching and then backing up and restoring all your data and applications. I have been there and done that. Atleast with a NAND build switching is prevented and stability is creeping in.

berbecverde said:
As stated before it has many improvements over the SD version:
-battery life
-stability
-loading times
-there is no risk in bricking your phone(unless someone is very very stupid, and i am not saying that someone is)
-with the sd version a download from the market sometimes took 2 minutes, now it takes max 2-3 seconds.
-flashing back to winmo if you like is maximum 5 minutes
-flashing a new android takes max 5 minutes(MAX).
- no lag at all
I am sure there are more but this is what i could think of right now.
Try and you will see.
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You missed out No Windows Mobile I really dont get this Thread,The guys have been workin on nand for months so that we can eliminate the problems we had booting off SD ,Nand has made things a lot easier now that we no longer have to rely on Windows,Ive been testing it for a day now and its fantastic,a hell of more stable and you can use every day

TheiPhoneKiller said:
You missed out No Windows Mobile I really dont get this Thread,The guys have been workin on nand for months so that we can eliminate the problems we had booting off SD ,Nand has made things a lot easier now that we no longer have to rely on Windows,Ive been testing it for a day now and its fantastic,a hell of more stable and you can use every day
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It depends on which SD build you were using. The ones in my sig are top-notch, fully-functioning and daily-use stable. The battery life is excellent.

Can someone confirm this. It seem rmnet is not stable at edge connection. The data arrow always gone and then it reconnect again. Happen with me couple times when I was browsing internetan
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It depends on which SD build you were using. The ones in my sig are top-notch, fully-functioning and daily-use stable. The battery life is excellent.
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very true but then you have TMOUS HD2 wich performs a little better than our Euro ones.lol.The other thing is wich is a good advantage is ican use more space on my SD and safely unmount it without any problems

mally2 said:
DUH???
Are you guys forgetting that MAGLDR does support multiple SD builds boot
for me its a winner !~!
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Right, but Almost all my SD did not boot correctly with MagLdr
My experience with nand is FASTER A LOT, drain less battery, no lag at all (except on my old hd2 (probably broken, no proxymity detector, no more vibration, volume key works bad etc.) that lags more than with the sd card (I had to revert to win)).
Mag is a LOT Faster to download/install apps. (50kb/s now its 400k/s and installation is faster), smoother.
Because now, I can change my SD card whenever I want (Full of taken videos/photos with the phone, full of mp3 etc).
Why nand, because Lock Phones utilities are useless with Windows.
Why nand ? .... Because !

There's a few factors to consider and these can be deal breakers for some people.
1. The version of the HD2 running a Nand version. T-Mobile US phones get more space to play with whereas the Euro version doesn't. I've got a US version but I really only use 20 or so apps.
2. Data - Since downloading Topia HD last night, I had one data drop running from Nand and that was opening market. When it was SD it was constant!
3. Battery - some people are reporting excellent battery life on Nand. But they reported that on SD versions as well. Everyone has their fixes for it too, but it doesn't work for everyone. Right now I seem to be doing ok so we'll see.
4. Risk - its less riskier than flashing HSPL or a new ROM in WinMo which brings me to my final point and deal breaker for me.
5. It's no longer running WinMo!!! For me that was what I was waiting for. No more gimpy OS ruining my phone. I know a lot of people love WinMo but I'm not one of them. I almost gave this phone back when I got it in March of 2010. It was frustrating and by my 1st week of owning it I had done 3 or more fresh resets. After that I did a reset almost every month until Android became stable to run everyday. I say good riddance to WinMo finally lol
In the end, its about preference. My preference is a phone with little or no hassle and huge functionality which I now get with Android and especially now with it running from Nand. If it was still running from SD or RAM I'd still be ok as long as it wasn't WinMo.
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One big issue with NAND, that is being overlooked, is no support right now for WinXP. The magldr seems to be flashable only in Win7. There are a number of people who still don't have Win7, myself included, and are still on WinXP.

MartyLK said:
One big issue with NAND, that is being overlooked, is no support right now for WinXP. The magldr seems to be flashable only in Win7. There are a number of people who still don't have Win7, myself included, and are still on WinXP.
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Are you still on XP by choice or becouse of old hardware / no budget for new OS? if your still on XP becouse you dont wanna go Win7 i only have to say Get along with the times. I would say a update for windows XP and Vista would come sooner then later.

[Q] Sad about my galaxy note, advice please :(

Hello all, first post here after reading for quite some time
I researched alot and decided to buy this phone because I concluded it was the best, performance, quality, resolution, etc
I have the phone for a week now and I don't feel happy with it, overall I see the phone is not really smooth, it frequently freezes for like 2 seconds when opening or closing an application, I was quite happy until before I installed some apps, like modern combat 3 and aftermath xhd, I can't install those via market because it says it's not compatible with my device, so I tried them out because I was too curious to see its performance, and I'm very disappointed...
modern combat 3 is unplayable, the menu is laggy, the game feels like its constantly loading something, it's choppy, I played only half of the first level because I couldn't go on anymore. Aftermath XHD was laggy at first, but now I'm at the sniper level and I had to give up, it's unplayable, when a shot is fired it lags so much it stops for like 3 seconds. I read all over the internet that those games run smooth on defys, so what's the problem here?
I'm at stock rom and kernel (N7000UBKK1, 2.6.35.8-N7000UBKK3, GINGERBREAD.UBKK3), I'm not really into flashing, but after reading over the games thread people saying it's smooth and working fine I think it's my only hope, if it doesn't fix it I guess my hardware would be faulty then.
I'm starting to think that the internal disk is the bottleneck, and I'm not sure if updating can turn a non-playable game smooth, so has any of you guys ever experienced this or been through this, can give some advice or based on your experience point out if it is possible to solve this problem?
thanks in advance

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it's not compatible with my device
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I hope this answered your question.
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Hey, after using the Iphone 3gs since its release I must say Im impressed with both Galaxy S2 and Galaxy Note BUT the random freezez and input lag that appears every now and then is just frekking annoying. Even with custom romz and different kernels this happens atleast 10 times everyday. As a techie guy I like the freedom that android gives me compared to the endless jailbreaking and ego behaviour by apple. However I'd say android devices must with the current hardware fix this type of problems since in the end user experience is the most important and If I spend 600 euros on a phone I'm sad to say that touchwise it still lacks a lot but after playing with it now for two weeks I have to say that I've gotten used to it. Samsung should stop pushing so many devices and focus on making the android software more stable, better touch input and reduce the frekking lag, dual core or not.
This forum is the best I've found and has everything a phablet nerd needs
Samsung Galaxy S2 - Stock Rom 2.3.5 with Launcher Pro (faster than the note with standard settings!!!!)
Samsung Galaxy Note - RocketRom V9 KKA 2.3.6 Launher Pro, CPu 1,6 mhz (still!! laggs sometimes)

Yeah, the Note is not polished enough yet. But don't lose faith - it will get better once we get ICS, shouldn't be that long. Right now it's up to you - you can improve it noticeably by flashing, tweaking and overclocking. I did that and I don't look back it ain't perfect but good enough for me.
KL3 soft + Abyssnote 2.5 kernel + OC (1650) + either lulzactive governor and vr scheduler (very responsive OS) or ondemandx gevernor and sio scheduler (smoother 3D games). These are settings that do the trick for me.

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It's also not compatible with everyone else's device, and people are reporting the game runs fine, how so?

If your game data is in your external SD Card, that may well be the problem
Anyhow, the Note is a niche device with a flavor of early adopting, since it's the first phone with this big a screen (the streak was a tablet, if I'm not mistaken?) and because it's one of the three first with a HD resolution.
What does that mean? That many things that work flawlessly on lesser devices won't work here simply by lack of dev support. One example? The gameloft games, my favorites. None of them are officially supported, and I haven't managed to make them work unofficially.
One thing is for sure: Android required flashing, period. The Defy is crap without any flashing, so is the Atrix, and now the Note is. At the very least, put on the CWM recovery, which takes about 60 seconds of your time, and try the custom Kernel that is swimming lonely down in dev section that allows you an OC of 1.7ghz. See if that helps with the lagging.

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It's also not compatible with everyone else's device, and people are reporting the game runs fine, how so?
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Don't worry with this kind of responses, you'll get them here sometimes. This is XDA, forum 100% dedicated to tinkering with phones so who cares what's compatibile with what. Make it work and enjoy.

This game is about 1.4GB if it has been installed on your internal memory you will definitely run out and and your phone will struggle,go to Settings/Applications/Manage Applications/Remove To SD card.

Just another boring witch hunt thread (yawn).

thanks a lot for the replies guys, you guys really helped a lot, I'm a lot more confident now and anxious to start flashing!
I got one question before starting the flashing process, is the JIG dongle for the S2 compatible with the note? I can't find the note JIG anywhere around here

I thought mw3 didn't work with the newest gingerbread yet.
Like the above poster said, try kl3. Little lag I had disappeared.
GALAXY NOTE

[Q] Which Android to Install - An Advice Required Please

I will like to remove the Wndows professional version from my HTC HD2 Leo Smartpone. But after reading several Androind versions I feel a little bit confusig which one could be the best for me. Certainly the Rafdroing Android version looks the best, but there are some risks around it and I do not see too may comments about users.
The Android Ice Cream or Jelly looks also interesting and looks easy and theres are other Androing version too easy to install.
Why I am looking to change my OS from my HTC HD2 Leo ? Because I think that the Androind version it is the most wit tons of free applicaitons,thems etc and as stable. The second point it is that I would like to increase at least a little bit the speed of my Smartphone
1.2 Ghz or 1.$Ghz could be the best thing that could happen to me. The last point is that the old windows version was so limited with flash and video, so I decided to remove it.
Certainly that I would like first to get a good backup of my present operating system in case of failure to return to my old version.
soI need a suggestion to a good backup to move everything to my SD or to move everything to my Desktop via USB interface.
It will be plus if I can install a dual boot in my HTC to try the new Windows 7 together with Androind, but I m most decided to run the Android version. Please advice me which Android could provide me a better performance, secure, reliable and increase the speed. the Rafdroid (vhichv version) or the Ice Cread Android or any other version.Please provide the link to proceed to Install> Thank you fellows for your time and consideraionts:fingers-crossed:

First, I don't remember doing any back up from my windows mobile. Simply because I had nothing to backup, except my contacts, I used Google to back them up, (I didn't have much apps/games, and didn't care for messages). So I don't know about backing up, wait for advice from someone else.
Then I would suggest you keep away from sense, that includes all versions of Rafdroid. This is because sense takes a lot of ram, and you won't (or at least I didn't) feel that your device is fast, it's going to be rather slow and sluggish. I would only recommend sense if you like your device to be eye candy, and you don't do much on your device except usual calling, texting and rare gaming/browsing. But again, this is just a suggestion, you can try it out and see if it works or not. (I would have recommended Sense 4, since it's fast AND beautiful, but it's not stable atm).
Now if you're a heavy user, who likes to do lots of stuff and play heavy games and do lots of web browsing, I'd suggest ICS or Jellybean, this is because they both offer full HWA (Hardware Acceleration). (Click here for a comparison I did between ICS and Jellybean that should help you decided which one).
That comparison also includes Gingerbread, so I don't think I need to explain it here.
Yes, you can dualboot Windows Phone and Android. Refer to this great guide by @mengfei which should help you dual boot. Keep in mind that Windows Phone MUST reside in the NAND, so android will be in either sdcard, or sdcard/ext partition. Don't forget to hit his thanks button if you found the guide helpful. You should be able to find all the links there.
Good luck with your journey.

Referring to:
--> Backup.
As far as i can remember times with WM, i always used to plug it in PC and it always synchronised by itself, maybe i had CD/DVD with drivers, i cant remember. But as Marvlesz said, i don't think that You'd need nothing more than moving contacts on SIM card, as You change OS and move to new world ( better one imo ) so; simple and very fast way.
--> ROM.
Again, as Marvlesz said , sense ROMs eats just too much of our priceless ram of EU ver. Users
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So, If you want my opinion, i can tell from my experience, that there are some of my suggestions:
1) tytung's 4.2.2 /720p\ rom that just works!!
I use it nao, and i must tell that i ain't found any bigger bug than random ForceClose of an app but thats normal, 4.2.2 makes HD2 wet and i am thankful that it still works
And oh, it doesnt have any bigger boosts like TabletUI ( Which i love ) or tons of candyeye themes, but its still cool with its simplicity
2) Its ParanoidAndroid's.
It has more tweaks and features, as... TABLET UI o0o0o0o0o
But there are still a few things to fix as author said, but(!) last update was from ending of June, so i bet He will update his ROM soon,with freshly baked sweets for us
Sorry but i cannot tell from experience this time, i did not try this ROM on my device, although i had PACman (combination of ParanoidAndroid and CyanogenMod code) with tablet UI etc etc, and it was nice, kept it for a long time until author stopped updating it
I think that will solve your hesitation
Keep rooting and give me feedback, Have a nice week y'all
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ZathuraPL said:
..sense ROMs eats just too much of our priceless ram of EU ver. Users ..
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Common misconception .. Both EU & Tmous HD2 have the same amount of RAM of 512MB (or 576MB if you may), it's the ROM that's bigger on the Tmous.

Marvlesz said:
Common misconception .. Both EU & Tmous HD2 have the same amount of RAM of 512MB (or 576MB if you may), it's the ROM that's bigger on the Tmous.
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Yep, and just adding to that you'll always get somewhere around 411 MB usable RAM on Android (sometimes I've seen it at 403 as well).

Damn i shouldnt write what i am not sure about
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I prefere tytung native SD. With fast SD card version 2.4 is flying.
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