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ok so the tv out via the hdmi is limited to pics/video can somone with access to an evo see if you can use the verizon incredible tv out cable with the evo to have full ui output to tv if possible?
thanks inadvance.
i don't have an evo, but i highly doubt it's a cable issue. it sounds like a software toggle somewhere that is turned off. maybe it can be modified?
SilverStone641 said:
i don't have an evo, but i highly doubt it's a cable issue. it sounds like a software toggle somewhere that is turned off. maybe it can be modified?
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I am pretty sure we can find some way to modify it. Once it is rooted I'm sure this will be a pet project for quite a few of us devs.
I'm confused... you mean like a second desktop type thing for the EVO? Does the incredible do this already or something?
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I'm confused... you mean like a second desktop type thing for the EVO? Does the incredible do this already or something?
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what i mean is what ever you see on your android device is viewable on your tv. so if your playing a game it shows on the tv, or a movie, or any ap etc if its on your handset screen its doubled on your tv.
the incredible does this ^^^ via usb out.
the evo only does videos (ie a mini dvd player) via the hdmi out cable
what i was hoping for is that the evo is so similar to the incredible if i where to try output thought he usb it would act more like the incredible out and less like a dvd player.
can you buy one or do they even exhist? what about a headphone adapter, i also want to plug phone into my car stereo and current cable does not turn off phone speaker.
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can you buy one or do they even exhist? what about a headphone adapter, i also want to plug phone into my car stereo and current cable does not turn off phone speaker.
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Micro-USB and HDMI are two different standards that don't mix. Would not work.
Can you Bluetooth to your car? That's how I do it and it works great!
After researching, it appears that there may be a cable made by Samsung that converts Micro-USB to HDMI, but whether or not it works on our phones, or at all for that matter, is not confirmed.
seen a picture of a cable for the hdmi and was told by sprint rep there will be one but have not found one yet, or maybe samsung snowjobed me. the 1/8" cable i am looking for converts the 4 segment plug to a 3 segment plug and i dont need any other extra microphone or volume control that probably wont work anyway
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After researching, it appears that there may be a cable made by Samsung that converts Micro-USB to HDMI, but whether or not it works on our phones, or at all for that matter, is not confirmed.
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See this vendor page:
OEM Samsung HDMI TV Out Cable, micro-USB to HDMI ECC1HU0BBE
Brand/model: Samsung ECC1HU0BBEBSTD
Contrary to previously received information, this cable does not provide HD TV output capabilities on U.S. Samsung Galaxy S phones (Captivate, Vibrant, Epic 4G, Fascinate). If you purchased this item from DayDeal, please stay tuned for email from our Customer Service department for further information including information on obtaining a refund.
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so that is it than .I was tricked into buying it over the evo. now the only thing it has going for it is the hardware keyboard . And I also expect it will never see froyo either .and no rooting either like the evo . samsung the liars!! knew I should have got the evo, and my couz will never stop giving me crap about it now.
Get a dlna dvd player as a dedicated media player and use the allshare from your epic to the player..went to best buy they have an lg blu ray dlna player for around 189. I can already stream from my windows 7 laptop to the epic with a small amount of buffering. Better yet get a ps3 and use that hdmi out and a dlna player AIO.
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so that is it than .I was tricked into buying it over the evo. now the only thing it has going for it is the hardware keyboard . And I also expect it will never see froyo either .and no rooting either like the evo . samsung the liars!! knew I should have got the evo, and my couz will never stop giving me crap about it now.
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It will 100% see Froyo as we have Froyo leaks on the other phones. We already have root...and as for the HDMI <-> microsub...if Samsung does not make it work I'm pretty sure the community will..
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can you buy one or do they even exhist? what about a headphone adapter, i also want to plug phone into my car stereo and current cable does not turn off phone speaker.
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Was just at BestBuy, they have in a Micro USB to HDMI cable for 29.99, made by Dynex.
Ofcourse this will only work on the Evo, as the Epic wouldn't send any video out that port i think.
LordLugard said:
Was just at BestBuy, they have in a Micro USB to HDMI cable for 29.99, made by Dynex.
Ofcourse this will only work on the Evo, as the Epic wouldn't send any video out that port i think.
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Two different cables. The Evo uses "micro-HDMI" to HDMI and Samsung phones use "micro-USB" to HDMI. The Epic does NOT (presently) have a video out option, so neither will work. Save your $.
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Two different cables. The Evo uses "micro-HDMI" to HDMI and Samsung phones use "micro-USB" to HDMI. The Epic does NOT (presently) have a video out option, so neither will work. Save your $.
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Oh yeah, my bad. Thanks.
You can easily get video out on the Epic, use a 3.5mm to RCA cable.
http://www.google.com/products/cata...og_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CCgQ8wIwAw#
Here's a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=997kYrCr5MQ
Nope, no video out via jack for us.
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You can easily get video out on the Epic, use a 3.5mm to RCA cable.
http://www.google.com/products/cata...og_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CCgQ8wIwAw#
Here's a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=997kYrCr5MQ
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Unless something has been updated the option to turn on TV is not available for the Epic 4g.
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You can easily get video out on the Epic, use a 3.5mm to RCA cable.
http://www.google.com/products/cata...og_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CCgQ8wIwAw#
Here's a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=997kYrCr5MQ
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Yeah...that's for the vibrant. Our phones were neutered.
Yes, I tried it with two 3.5mm to RCA cables I have. None work. No software options to turn on, either.
I have done my research and can't seem to find a solid answer, has anyone had the chance to test one, or recieved an official response from Sony? Cheers
Nope, consumer versions of the Xperia Play do not support HDMI out, even on the LiveDock.
The only Xperia Play phones that support HDMI out are dev phones.
The current dock (DK300) has no HDMI out support but I believe there is a new dock coming sometime soon that will support it.
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The current dock (DK300) has no HDMI out support but I believe there is a new dock coming sometime soon that will support it.
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I think that's the one he's asking about ( the new one)
Read this post there's a little info on it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17107876&postcount=25
It comes from this trhread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1234259
Regards Dousan...
yep that's the one! from the youtube videos it seems to just use the micro usb port for everything (including tv-out functionality) so I can't see why it wouldn't work, but I haven't found any confirmation that it does...
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I think that's the one he's asking about ( the new one)
Read this post there's a little info on it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17107876&postcount=25
It comes from this trhread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1234259
Regards Dousan...
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@ dousan. As you can see in this video. It defo only uses the USB port for HDMI out. Not the HDMI port like we was talking about in that other thread. The HDMI port on the Arc is on the top like the power button on the play. The dock has the HDMI port on the back
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhr6AuPLwmU&feature=related
But that is not how it connects to HDMI. The dock does not support HDMI. It is the phone hardware.
As in the other thread there are photos of how they connected it to the TV.
The USB device connects to the device, the charger connects to the device and uses that same cable. The then connect to the HDMI on the TV via the HDMI port on the phone.
The Dock is not an all in one solution.
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But that is not how it connects to HDMI. The dock does not support HDMI. It is the phone hardware.
As in the other thread there are photos of how they connected it to the TV.
The USB device connects to the device, the charger connects to the device and uses that same cable. The then connect to the HDMI on the TV via the HDMI port on the phone.
The Dock is not an all in one solution.
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Watch the video, you can clearly see the USB and HDMI port on the back of the dock
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But that is not how it connects to HDMI. The dock does not support HDMI. It is the phone hardware.
As in the other thread there are photos of how they connected it to the TV.
The USB device connects to the device, the charger connects to the device and uses that same cable. The then connect to the HDMI on the TV via the HDMI port on the phone.
The Dock is not an all in one solution.
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Do you think there's a way to spoof the phone to bypass the 'buffer' the dock creates? I don't see why SE didn't just put the hdmi port on the PLAY.
AndroHero said:
Watch the video, you can clearly see the USB and HDMI port on the back of the dock
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Infact to be honest. I can not tell if that is a USB or HDMI port on the back of the dock. lol
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You are wrong.
That is a standard usb connection and a micro usb connection and that is not how the phone connects to the TV.
Watch the 2.3.4 Xperia software update video.
>_< This is what i was trying to explain the whole time in the other thread and now to know that you thought that was an HDMI out port means you didn't even follow the pictures I posted.
Another video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHRgdEA__LA
This has been discussed before on the official Sony Ericsson forums. The consumer release Xperia Play does not and will not have HDMI out capabilities with or without the LiveDock.
hairdewx said:
This has been discussed before on the official Sony Ericsson forums. The consumer release Xperia Play does not and will not have HDMI out capabilities with or without the LiveDock.
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Thanks, so this has been officially confirmed? Does this phone use a different type of micro usb port to the other xperia phones then? Is it a hardware or software limitation (ie could a hack be produced)?
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This has been discussed before on the official Sony Ericsson forums. The consumer release Xperia Play does not and will not have HDMI out capabilities with or without the LiveDock.
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Yes but recently the same marketing division said :
I can confirm that the following is available for the Xperia Play based on your question's once the update has been released.
Enhanced camera capabilities from Sony including 3D sweep panorama
The software upgrade enables consumers to turn their Xperia smartphone into a mini-mobile PC by connecting USB peripherals (mouse, keyboard or game controller) to Sony Ericsson LiveDock™ multimedia station. Connect the smartphone to a TV via HDMI to get a big screen experience
I can also advise that there are currently no plans for HD 720p recording for the Xperia Play.
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Which has added to the confusion.
crimsonnight said:
Thanks, so this has been officially confirmed? Does this phone use a different type of micro usb port to the other xperia phones then? Is it a hardware or software limitation (ie could a hack be produced)?
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It's a hardware limitation, they took it out of the specifications before release.
The LiveDock would basically act as a pass-through, not a hardware solution.
It is possible to get video through the USB port, but at very low refresh rates, like 1 frame per second.
ASM is one tool:
http://code.google.com/p/android-screen-monitor/
And there are other remote desktop applications that can produce video out through USB with slow refresh rates.
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You are wrong.
That is a standard usb connection and a micro usb connection and that is not how the phone connects to the TV.
Watch the 2.3.4 Xperia software update video.
>_< This is what i was trying to explain the whole time in the other thread and now to know that you thought that was an HDMI out port means you didn't even follow the pictures I posted.
Another video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHRgdEA__LA
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Calm down. It's no big deal. I did follow your pictures but wondered if there was another way to connect. As i thought some of the other xperia devices supported by the dock didn't have HDMI out. I now concede defeat. Guess i'll have to dig out my PS1 to play FF7 on my TV
The thing that catches my eye is that he clearly states it's for the play but the section about hdmi and USB peripherals it only says xperia smartphone's, not xperia play? That's confusing me.
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The thing that catches my eye is that he clearly states it's for the play but the section about hdmi and USB peripherals it only says xperia smartphone's, not xperia play? That's confusing me.
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It's just a script they get given to read out. Thats why. The people sony employ usually know little about the products there ment to be supporting
What i find weird is that in the service menu via - *#*#7378423#*#*
There is options to turn HDMI on or off and also test it.
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What i find weird is that in the service menu via - *#*#7378423#*#*
There is options to turn HDMI on or off and also test it.
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Yeah but it also has Irda test in it, so I imagine this tests are standard, and not especially designed for the Play.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/10/analogix-slim-port-technology-lets-you-connect-your-phone-to-you/
Sometimes, the simplest ideas are the best ones, and Analogix Slim Port technology certainly qualifies as both. It's a cabling solution that allows you to mirror what's on your phone or tablet's screen to your TV via microUSB -- instead of needing an extra HDMI or MHL port. Analogix's secret sauce is on a chip embedded in the jack portion of the cable and because it's based on DisplayPort technology, it can connect using HDMI, VGA, or DVI connections. Of course, as an OEM, Analogix won't be selling the cables when they go on sale this summer, but retailers like Belkin and BizLink will probably be put one in your bag for around $20 or $30 bucks.
-engadget
So now we can connect our beloved Play to that TV XD
I think it doesn't work like that... you have to have the tech on your phone (Mobility DisplayPort (MYDP) digital interface) it then allows uncompressed video/audio from a phone over display-port and also allows usb transfer modes
http://www.interconnectionworld.com/index/display/wire-news-display/1578435639.html
It won't work on the play
ff7fan4eva said:
I think it doesn't work like that... you have to have the tech on your phone (Mobility DisplayPort (MYDP) digital interface) it then allows uncompressed video/audio from a phone over display-port and also allows usb transfer modes
http://www.interconnectionworld.com/index/display/wire-news-display/1578435639.html
It won't work on the play
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i dont get you guys it clearly says it uses the MICRO USB port on the mobile device i mean how much more clearer need it be regardless ive sent an email to analogix and will tell u guys what they say
Why do we have two threads about the exact same thing I dont know
But i'll post the same thing I did over in the other one
Do you think that TV out is just going to magicly work when you plug in USB LOL
FYI your usb port is never outputting video lol. you would have to run some type of program to do it and that will use CPU power
When have you ever plugged usb into your PC and a message comes up "Would you like to mirror image on your screen?"
You guys know the PSP actually had software written for it that allowed USB mirror to desktop and it lagged the device so badly most games weren't playable anymore
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Why do we have two threads about the exact same thing I dont know
But i'll post the same thing I did over in the other one
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You do realize that PSP is less than 1/3rd the Xperia PLAY's overall capability, right?
PSP also couldn't handle any form of graphical MMOs.
TLRtheory said:
You do realize that PSP is less than 1/3rd the Xperia PLAY's overall capability, right?
PSP also couldn't handle any form of graphical MMOs.
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I wasnt aware of that fact
you got a source i can see for my own eyes? thanks
also my points is still valid. the device aint outputting video as it sits now
You guys know the PSP actually had software written for it that allowed USB mirror to desktop and it lagged the device so badly most games weren't playable anymore
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Thats because it used VNC. VNC lags on anything.
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I wasnt aware of that fact
you got a source i can see for my own eyes? thanks
also my points is still valid. the device aint outputting video as it sits now
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check the spec sheets. Also, notice that the Play has Dev units with HDMI out and they don't lag a little.
A bit off topic, but I don't think I ever posted this while I was analyzing the play for HDMI.
According to the kernel, the Dev plays have this chipset and all Plays have the drivers for it: http://www.analog.com/en/audiovideo-products/analoghdmidvi-interfaces/adv7520/products/product.html
And this can be seen on the Dell Streak: http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Dell-Streak-Teardown/3512/2
Now, I tore apart my Play (when I had it), and I can confirm that that chip is NOT on my retail r800i. This means that there is no "hidden" port or some unfilled solderpads that can be used to attach a microhdmi. There is NO support on the retail motherboard for it. You can't even buy the ADV7520 chip because there are no space on the retail motherboard for it.
There's no chip or hdmi port on the play I've watched dissasemblies of all types r800a,x,I
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There is a solution where you connect to a bluetooth HDMI dongle using your bluetooth and its specific app to stream phone content onto the screen, I think it was mentioned on Engadget but I cannot seem to find the link for it.
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check the spec sheets. Also, notice that the Play has Dev units with HDMI out and they don't lag a little.
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so your dev unit theory is irrelevant because our plays contain none of the architecture to run this setup with hdmi.
would have to find another solution.
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so your dev unit theory is irrelevant because our plays contain none of the architecture to run this setup with hdmi.
would have to find another solution.
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I don't have a theory, as I don't care one bit about TV output of any kind. However, you mentioned that the PSP wasn't powerful enough to beam out content, which is not a problem in the Xperia Play (or Arc and Neo for that matter).
Why do people keep saying "the play has no HDMI transmitter" if you read the OP, with this cable the HDMI transmitter is built into the jack, the device does not need one
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Thats because it used VNC. VNC lags on anything.
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Pretty sure it didn't
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AndroHero said:
Why do people keep saying "the play has no HDMI transmitter" if you read the OP, with this cable the HDMI transmitter is built into the jack, the device does not need one
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FINALLY someone bothers to actually read the goddamed article
So the USB Device registers itself as.. what exactly ?
I mean, the play still has to send it's image to the dongle either way.
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So the USB Device registers itself as.. what exactly ?
I mean, the play still has to send it's image to the dongle either way.
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The adapter is probably accompanied with an app. Although the app would need root acces, atleast I think so.
whilst i think this would be an awesome piece of kit if it works as intended, im a little curious as to how it actually works, afaik the cpu sends its work to the gpu for output, the gpu processes it, and outputs it to the display....so how exactly does the usb port get the information from gpu...maybe easy with root access on one device...but making it work on a wide range of devices would be crazy hard.
im not gonna straight up bash this, because they have said its a vendor agnostic solution, so im assuming they have worked out some technical magic with no downsides to pull this off. I'm all for being proved wrong, i just want to see it in action.
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You do realize that PSP is less than 1/3rd the Xperia PLAY's overall capability, right?
PSP also couldn't handle any form of graphical MMOs.
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First statement is a bit overstated.
By capability the gpu in the PSP has a fillrate of 30 million polygons/s
I believe our Adreno has 52 mil/s
Plus instead of the capability I believe it was the limitation of USB speeds that affected the computer mirroring software.
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Hy guys!
I just found a jack to compozit cable in my cabinet. It has a Jack father and an RCA (red-white-yellow) father. I have got a pic, but Im new in here, so I cant link...
So, I just wondering, can we use this cable to connect the N7 to a TV?
I know, at the moment we can't, but why? Because the hardware limitation, or the android doesn't support this feature?
bloosebr said:
Hy guys!
I just found a jack to compozit cable in my cabinet. It has a Jack father and an RCA (red-white-yellow) father. I have got a pic, but Im new in here, so I cant link...
So, I just wondering, can we use this cable to connect the N7 to a TV?
I know, at the moment we can't, but why? Because the hardware limitation, or the android doesn't support this feature?
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As far as I know, you'd just be transporting the audio if you were to plug it into any device. You'd have to have an extra adapter to port the video through the yellow composite video cable.
Though people have been known to make some wicked little mods, so you never know these days.
Nexus 7 does not have the hardware capability.
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You could always use an MHL adapter to output to a TV, that is if the Nexus 7 supports that method. I've never tried it.
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You could always use an MHL adapter to output to a TV, that is if the Nexus 7 supports that method. I've never tried it.
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Nexus 7 doesn't have MHL.
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Nexus 7 doesn't have MHL.
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Ah, well that's disappointing. I never looked into it before, but now I know. =P
Thats awkward. So If we want to connent the tablet to a television, we must use some wifi app, and the TV must be a smart one...
Or can We take advantage of pogo-jack? I never seen before this kind of plug, so I dont know, what it can do.
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Thats awkward. So If we want to connent the tablet to a television, we must use some wifi app, and the TV must be a smart one...
Or can We take advantage of pogo-jack? I never seen before this kind of plug, so I dont know, what it can do.
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The pogo pins only do charging and audio.