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Maybe I am an a$$, but I am not seeing an issue here. I have read these articles for the last half hour. He wants a donation for access to his site, that is his bad. If people want to pay, that is their stupidity. I don't see an illegality here. Charging for access to your site is a huge difference than changing for software. I don't agree what he is doing, but I think this huge fight against him is ridiculous.
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Legato525 said:
Maybe I am an a$$, but I am not seeing an issue here. I have read these articles for the last half hour. He wants a donation for access to his site, that is his bad. If people want to pay, that is their stupidity. I don't see an illegality here. Charging for access to your site is a huge difference than changing for software. I don't agree what he is doing, but I think this huge fight against him is ridiculous.
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He is charging for software. He has a **** ton of paid gameloft games, as well as other paid apps behind his donation wall. And he has my rom that I developed, and many other roms/mods/themes behind that wall. He also claims those are his roms. This guy is scum.
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If he's got paid* apps he's charging for (that he can't legally redistribute in such a manner), and he's redistributing an unmodified version of your rom, or you relicensed your rom, that's copyright infringement. You could issue a DMCA take-down notice to his ISP/hosting provider and have high odds of getting his site shut down. You could also notify the proper copyright owners of those games, and it's pretty likely they'd try and get it shut down as well.
Although, considering the permissive licensing most of Android is under, you likely wouldn't have a case against him really (the kernel he can definitely sell, and likely everything else short of artwork if you didn't relicense it... his claim that it's "his" likely would fly just as well that the ROM is "yours" if he changed even a single bit).
* Paid or not actually doesn't matter, really anything that doesn't explicitly grant the right to redistribute commercially.

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If he's got paid* apps he's charging for (that he can't legally redistribute in such a manner), and he's redistributing an unmodified version of your rom, or you relicensed your rom, that's copyright infringement. You could issue a DMCA take-down notice to his ISP/hosting provider and have high odds of getting his site shut down. You could also notify the proper copyright owners of those games, and it's pretty likely they'd try and get it shut down as well.
Although, considering the permissive licensing most of Android is under, you likely wouldn't have a case against him really (the kernel he can definitely sell, and likely everything else short of artwork if you didn't relicense it... his claim that it's "his" likely would fly just as well that the ROM is "yours" if he changed even a single bit).
* Paid or not actually doesn't matter, really anything that doesn't explicitly grant the right to redistribute commercially.
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I agree, but unless I missed something I don't see any where that he is claiming that the roms he is hosting are all his nor have I seen a paid app advertised. I dont disagree he is a loser but unless he is specifically charging for the roms themselves (or claiming they are his) then what he is doing is unethical not illegal. As for commercial distribution, no where on his site does he say anything about himself being a business, hence the commercial aspect does not fly. I am not supporting the guy, but throwing around words like scam artist and criminal are inappropriate. (if you tell me where to find where he himself is promoting distribution of pay for apps or that he is claiming any open source project is his when we know it is not, I will take it all back. Til then I have to take the stance against falss allegations.)
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He is charging for software. He has a **** ton of paid gameloft games, as well as other paid apps behind his donation wall. And he has my rom that I developed, and many other roms/mods/themes behind that wall. He also claims those are his roms. This guy is scum.
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That's what I am looking for. You have screen Shots of this? This is my disagreement, non of the articles post proof. If you have some please post it.
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Follow the link in the op. Im just the messenger.
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Went through everything again, I see no evidence and no proof, just a lot of angry people. Remember 2 things people. Slander and libel are illegal. And two nothing android is worth ruining someones life over. Everyone in this situation needs to get a damn life aka and all the losers taking this easy too far. With that I am out of this situation.
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I agree this is extremely shady and should be discontinued...
Yes, there's a "but"...
The guy has no links, no information, no purpose for the money other than "it gets you full access". Once full access is achieved, presumably, one can then access the forums.
It seems as though he's charging money to allow access into a message board and not specifically to access ROMs.
Only a fool would purchase access to a forums which contains information freely available anywhere else with a little searching.
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I agree this is extremely shady and should be discontinued...
Yes, there's a "but"...
The guy has no links, no information, no purpose for the money other than "it gets you full access". Once full access is achieved, presumably, one can then access the forums.
It seems as though he's charging money to allow access into a message board and not specifically to access ROMs.
Only a fool would purchase access to a forums which contains information freely available anywhere else with a little searching.
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Agreed. It makes me really pissed because he has einherjar roms/mods/themes behind his donation wall. All of us at EDT put way too much hard work and countless hours into our work. And to have some punk ***** steal it, charge people for it, and claim its his own work by editing the build prop, really gets under my skin.This goes for all devs/teams. I speak for all of them.
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I support your cause, what this guy is doing is wrong. If he posts ANYTHING related to donation requirements on XDA then notify a senior mod and have his ass escorted to the door. Both promoting outside sites that are designed to compete directly with XDA and requiring donations is strictly against the rules. He's treading in waist high water here...
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Agreed. It makes me really pissed because he has einherjar roms/mods/themes behind his donation wall. All of us at EDT put way too much hard work and countless hours into our work. And to have some punk ***** steal it, charge people for it, and claim its his own work by editing the build prop, really gets under my skin.This goes for all devs/teams. I speak for all of them.
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And you have every right to deny anyone distribution rights to your product. So I'm behind you on this and will spread the word as I can.
Is there anything in the licensing for open source (GPL?) that can be done to send this person a C&D letter prior to lawsuits?
Why this guy?? When you have things like Appl**et pirating every Android app, hes small time.
Why this guy?? When you have things like Appl**et pirating every Android app, hes small time.
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Don't know if anyone knows this but he's also using fake users to post positive comments on his YouTube site. I researched this. For example, the user 'sfanua42' was used to post the following comment 4 weeks ago,
"THIS GUY RIGHT HERE IS THE BEST YOUTUBER/ CUSTOMER SERVICE GUY EVER! I RATE ***** ."
Clicking on this user brings up a profile that was created 4 weeks ago and hasn't been used in 4 weeks. It's also devoid of any user information whatsoever. He's a scam artist right down to the dotted line. I'm truly disgusted by this and hope something can be done about it and I feel for the original developers involved in the works available on his site.

FBI shut down MegaUpload

Im sure a lot of XDA users use MegaUpload . This is getting out of hand . MPAA is ruining the internet as we know it . Due process in America has been thrown out the window . Who will be next . What's your opinion on this matter .
Update: Megaupload is back up megavideo.bz
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For your reading (un)pleasure.
New York Post
MediaBeat
Guess Alicia Keys is gonna have to get a new New York State of Mind since Swizz Beatz is going down.
They also said that RapidShare and MediaFire may be looked at. Wonder if this will extend to something like Dropbox too?
I think the internet itself is coming to an end. So sad :'(
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That definitely SUCKS!
Most users use multiupload which uses other host sites that seem to be fine..for now
Personally, megaupload was inevitably going down. There was so much pirated content on it, most getting removed anyways, might as well take down site.
Not siding with MPAA but this argument over pirated material is a mess.
I thought the guy from Steam said it best, people wont use pirated materials if your service is better.
The MPAA said that VHS would mean the end of the cinema industry because people would be able to record their own movies and view them endlessly without paying.
The RIAA argued with the same basis about casettes and recordable media such as CDs.
Yet, movies cost hundreds of millions of dollars in the making which are recovered in matter of weeks. Musicians must pay a share of the money they make with gigs to the RIAA so they can "defend" their interests.
If there's anyone who's not losing a single buck are these guys in the MPAA and the RIAA, far from defending anyone else's rights other than their own.
the MPAA and RIAA should both get broomsticks shoved up their asses, but in the end this was arrest with due process. it just shows how unnecessary SOPA and PIPA are, since copyrights can still be protected under the current law. I mean lets be honest, as much as it sucks we all knew megaupload was hosting illegal file sharing and at the end of the day that is breaking a law no matter how you spin it.
I agree with you. Same thing happened when they shut Limewire down. Who couldn't see that coming. Really surprised any torrent sites are still up.
So lets say they shut down Rapidshare, 4share,...how do we get ROMs? Email? Even XDA has a size limit on uploads.
It is going to go from Internet to Intranet or GovNet.
I want to know how the FBI, A US based law organization is able to have non US Nationals Arrested and take down a site that is not extra-national. How can this be legal or even accepted by other countries.
MegaUpload is not based in the US nor were the arrestees. How does thoe FBI have jurisdiction for this. Just because a website can be accessed in the US does not mean that the FBI has the right to close the site down.
Quite frankly I don't care if New Zealand has an agreement with the US. The laws were not broken on US Soil, the servers were not hosted in the US.
This is like arresting someone form the US because they broke a law that is only a law in Algeria. I seen no difference here.
countries do have extradition agreements with each other and do cooperate in certain areas of law enforcement, ie terrorism and drug enforcement. So this is not something really extraordinary.
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I agree with you. Same thing happened when they shut Limewire down. Who couldn't see that coming. Really surprised any torrent sites are still up.
So lets say they shut down Rapidshare, 4share,...how do we get ROMs? Email? Even XDA has a size limit on uploads.
It is going to go from Internet to Intranet or GovNet.
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it's possible to create a site that simply hosts the roms that we would download. the problem comes back again to the regulation of the internet since people can simply abuse any file sharing sites. you may think that regulation is not required but it really is. remember the deregulation philosophy of the financial sector and the resultant excessive leveraging that lead to the biggest financial meltdown since the great depression. the problem as with any regulation is to get it right so that it doesn't hinder innovation but simultaneously protects multiple rights of multiple parties. our freedom of speech will never outweigh others right to property. the internet is essentially a public forum so a social contract has to be drawn between all people in terms of the conduit in this forum. just as we have a right to free speech, we don't have a right to threaten someones life. i think this is just some more growing pains for what is still new technology and media.
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countries do have extradition agreements with each other and do cooperate in certain areas of law enforcement, ie terrorism and drug enforcement. So this is not something really extraordinary.
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it's possible to create a site that simply hosts the roms that we would download. the problem comes back again to the regulation of the internet since people can simply abuse any file sharing sites. you may think that regulation is not required but it really is. remember the deregulation philosophy of the financial sector and the resultant excessive leveraging that lead to the biggest financial meltdown since the great depression. the problem as with any regulation is to get it right so that it doesn't hinder innovation but simultaneously protects multiple rights of multiple parties. our freedom of speech will never outweigh others right to property. the internet is essentially a public forum so a social contract has to be drawn between all people in terms of the conduit in this forum. just as we have a right to free speech, we don't have a right to threaten someones life. i think this is just some more growing pains for what is still new technology and media.
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There is just something that is very unsettling about the fact that the FBI (A US law organization) is able to stop businesses in other countries just because it violates US Laws and has the ability to have extra-national citizens arrested on their behest. I personally only see this as being prudent if there was a law broken while the person was on US Soil and thus are under US laws at the time.
Unsettling yes. However, the media companies want justice. Don't be surprised when RapidShare goes down next.
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I think the internet itself is coming to an end. So sad :'(
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There once was the FidoNet, I remember, now the Internet, and if it goes down, we might see something new
I'm sure there will be a major inovative developement effort to defend the PIPA. Or I will just have to move back to Russia, given they don't have "chinese firewall" yet
Megaupload is back Megavideo.bz
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There is just something that is very unsettling about the fact that the FBI (A US law organization) is able to stop businesses in other countries just because it violates US Laws and has the ability to have extra-national citizens arrested on their behest. I personally only see this as being prudent if there was a law broken while the person was on US Soil and thus are under US laws at the time.
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well megaupload had servers in Virginia. the international factor is another complication in fighting piracy over the internet. when other countries don't act it does add pressure for America to act unilaterally to protect it's property rights. this mutual action of multiple countries proved that we don't need unilateral action and countries can in fact cooperate on this issue.
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Megaupload is back Megavideo.bz
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its still hasn't worked at full source yet. i wonder what would happen to the old megaupload links. can they be transferred or are they gone forever?
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its still hasn't worked at full source yet. i wonder what would happen to the old megaupload links. can they be transferred or are they gone forever?
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I would THINK they'd be gone until they get access back to their own servers because thats where files are stored. They should've gone with cloud options...
MU was sooo good for downloading at high speed.... the other ones just can't match =(
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detdett said:
MU was sooo good for downloading at high speed.... the other ones just can't match =(
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I agree, MU was my best option for uploading super fast, always was. Multiupload is good, but it has a slow as hell uploading time.
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I agree, MU was my best option for uploading super fast, always was. Multiupload is good, but it has a slow as hell uploading time.
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now i have no choice but go with snailServe or snailSnoic
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[Q] How to crack games on Nexus 7

Hi. I downloaded many games on my computer usually zip with app and data. The problem is when I install app I need to replace data folder on my N/ with the data I downloaded and I cant find it on N/. I looked everywhere, there is no such thing. I dont know is it because of Jelly Bean or no microSD card but I just cant find it. Can somebody help me? Btw Im sorry if there is already a thread like this
No warez on xda
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Reported the thread and like the person above says no warez
If you moved into my neighborhood. I would make sure everything outside was chained down. stealing software is NOT kewl.
this is a legitimate software development forum.
good luck on your quest
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The downloaded Data usually stored on sdcard/Android/data or sdcard/Android/obb
erica_renee said:
If you moved into my neighborhood. I would make sure everything outside was chained down. stealing software is NOT kewl.
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Then you would have to move away from pretty much every tech saavy kid nowadays.
Indeed, I would wager that most people who "steal" software would not actually steal physical items - and guess why - because the former is not actually theft per se. Theft (under the laws of the US and UK, at least) requires you to deprive the owner of the particular item, while copying does the opposite, actually creating a new item. People may not know the specific legal details, but they do have an intuitive feeling that one is not the same as the other.
That said, this forum is not a place for piracy (yet another disproportionate term involving the attack of vessels) and good riddance to the OP.
Wow the OP whats to learn how to crack. 99 cent games. How pathetic
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thebobp said:
Then you would have to move away from pretty much every tech saavy kid nowadays.
Indeed, I would wager that most people who "steal" software would not actually steal physical items - and guess why - because the former is not actually theft per se. Theft (under the laws of the US and UK, at least) requires you to deprive the owner of the particular item, while copying does the opposite, actually creating a new item. People may not know the specific legal details, but they do have an intuitive feeling that one is not the same as the other.
That said, this forum is not a place for piracy (yet another disproportionate term involving the attack of vessels) and good riddance to the OP.
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Wow. I had no idea there are still people that don't consider piracy to be theft. Aren't you depriving the author of the money he should have earned making the software when you illegally copy and use it without payment?
I certainly understand the pain and frustration with some software just feeling way too expensive... and I'm sure not without sin myself. But I really love that tablet apps usually keep the prices very low and make it affordable to a very large group of people. I wish PC gaming would consider lower prices, larger volume too, especially in this digital distribution age.
thebobp said:
Then you would have to move away from pretty much every tech saavy kid nowadays.
Indeed, I would wager that most people who "steal" software would not actually steal physical items - and guess why - because the former is not actually theft per se. Theft (under the laws of the US and UK, at least) requires you to deprive the owner of the particular item, while copying does the opposite, actually creating a new item. People may not know the specific legal details, but they do have an intuitive feeling that one is not the same as the other.
That said, this forum is not a place for piracy (yet another disproportionate term involving the attack of vessels) and good riddance to the OP.
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Get off XDA and do your reading, 1L. You'll never make the review if you hang out here.
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Wow. I had no idea there are still people that don't consider piracy to be theft. Aren't you depriving the author of the money he should have earned making the software when you illegally copy and use it without payment?
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Money can be "deprived" from the author in many ways: through negative advertising, through the pushing of a competing product, through the spreading of rumors. That does not make these actions "stealing". Theft (which, as I've pointed out, requires the deprivation of the owner's item) is just one of many ways to reduce someone's profit, and it is not what is happening in the case of copyright infringement.
There is literally no analogy to theft. If a thief came up in the middle of the night and drove away a copy of your car, you wouldn't give a rat's ass.
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Money can be "deprived" from the author in many ways: through negative advertising, through the pushing of a competing product, through the spreading of rumors. That does not make these actions "stealing". Theft (which, as I've pointed out, requires the deprivation of the owner's item) is just one of many ways to reduce someone's profit, and it is not what is happening in the case of copyright infringement.
There is literally no analogy to theft. If a thief came up in the middle of the night and drove away a copy of your car, you wouldn't give a rat's ass.
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Well in theory you would be pissed if it had your plates and vin numbers and was involved in a hit and run,
The point still stands xda = no warez which according to the rules and recent post's includes talk about it either, but to the op Google is your friend
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Well in theory you would be pissed if it had your plates and vin numbers and was involved in a hit and run,
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haha that is true!
locked.... warez talk is a no no

plagerism of developers.

Who thinks its wrong for websites to charge for free services of other people knowledge and hard work? I know this website that is charging people for the developers roms on here rooting etc. In my opinion its wrong especially when its free knowledge on here. I gurantee the members of the website are not programmers and using your roms and knowledge for their website.
I would find out which ROMs specifically, and pm their respective developers. Or post the name of the website so the devs can join and say that the ROM is theirs and that whoever is posting should stop trying to make money off other people's hard work and dedication
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That's pretty outrageous, it's a shame people take advantage of the great part of xda being a free community for devs to provide their work.
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I would also notify the administrators of XDA, unsure if we have a legal team, but that website can be taken down, if there is a legal team, they can be taken to court for damages.
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I would also notify the administrators of XDA, unsure if we have a legal team, but that website can be taken down, if there is a legal team, they can be taken to court for damages.
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The lawyer fees would be more than XDA would gain. Also, since they do not have the rights to our ROMs, I don't believe that they could (nor would they want to) have the grounds to sue people based on them. It is unfortunate that this happens, but people should know better. They need to know that this is free. I am disappointed that people stoop this low, but if they need the money badly enough that they have to charge for a free service, then there are other avenues that they need to explore. I don't believe it is plagiarism, nor is it within anyone's rights to stop them from doing this. It is not against the law. It is immoral, but not illegal.
xboxfanj said:
The lawyer fees would be more than XDA would gain. Also, since they do not have the rights to our ROMs, I don't believe that they could (nor would they want to) have the grounds to sue people based on them. It is unfortunate that this happens, but people should know better. They need to know that this is free. I am disappointed that people stoop this low, but if they need the money badly enough that they have to charge for a free service, then there are other avenues that they need to explore. I don't believe it is plagiarism, nor is it within anyone's rights to stop them from doing this. It is not against the law. It is immoral, but not illegal.
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Well said! Unethical and illegal are two seperate things... while it is wrong, the only ones that would have the rights to sue are the actual developers of the roms... xda holds no rights to the roms that devs build... so while it is unfortunate and IMO wrong, there is nothing illegal about it...

The CIA pays AT&T $10 million annually for foreign call logs

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AT&T is on the receiving end of a $10 million payout each year from the CIA in exchange for providing phone records to help with overseas counterterrorism investigations. It’s a program that the wireless provider voluntarily agrees to meaning there’s no court order involved according to a report from the New York Times.
The publication claims the CIA supplies AT&T with the phone numbers of suspected terrorists. From here, the wireless provider is able to comb their database for call records attached to a given number. These records include valuable information such as the length and date of phone calls. In the event that a call is placed to or from an American number and involved an international caller, the CIA reportedly asks AT&T to mask the identity of the US-based number for legal reasons.
In case you were wondering, the arrangement is said to be different from the tactics the NSA uses to collect phone records although they likely duplicate some of their programs. It appears to have been started sometime before 2010, was put on hold at some point then reinitiated once again.
Naturally, neither AT&T nor the CIA would confirm the existence of the partnership. An anonymous intelligence official, however, believes it makes sense for such a program to be in place. The source said the need to act without delay is often best met when the CIA has developed its own capabilities to lawfully acquire necessary foreign intelligence information.
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At least they get money for it when we all know CIA has other means of getting those data logs anyways...
Not a surprising tactic. Seriously if a terrorist is still conducting activities on a cellular network... just turn yourself in now.
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OH NO!!!!!! NOW THEY KNOW ABOUT THE TIME I TOLD MY FRIEND I WAS TAKING A DUMP!!!!!!
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OH NO!!!!!! NOW THEY KNOW ABOUT THE TIME I TOLD MY FRIEND I WAS TAKING A DUMP!!!!!!
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That's not the sort of information they can glean from metadata (unless your friend specializes in counseling people on that topic).
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That's not the sort of information they can glean from metadata (unless your friend specializes in counseling people on that topic).
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I know. But my point is I don't care. Also I'm just really tired of hearing people complain about losing their privacy and it being stolen from them...meanwhile they sit there and use Facebook and other social media...haha
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I know. But my point is I don't care.
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But people who want to protect their own privacy don't care that you don't care. People who take seriously the 4th Amendment of the US Constitution, and its requirement to have probable cause and a detailed warrant before conducting a search, also don't care that you don't care. People who have studied history carefully enough to know what abuses arise in the absence of these protections don't care that you don't care.
Also I'm just really tired of hearing people complain about losing their privacy and it being stolen from them...meanwhile they sit there and use Facebook and other social media...
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There's no inconsistency between willingly revealing some information--whether to your friends or to the public--while still wanting NOT to reveal OTHER information publicly.
Gary02468 said:
But people who want to protect their own privacy don't care that you don't care. People who take seriously the 4th Amendment of the US Constitution, and its requirement to have probable cause and a detailed warrant before conducting a search, also don't care that you don't care. People who have studied history carefully enough to know what abuses arise in the absence of these protections don't care that you don't care.
There's no inconsistency between willingly revealing some information--whether to your friends or to the public--while still wanting NOT to reveal OTHER information publicly.
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And I don't care that they don't care. People act like this kind of thing is new. Its been around forever. Anyone who thinks its something that's never happened in the past is blind. I understand the whole privacy thing. I get it. But I look at it like this, I'm not doing anything wrong so I don't care who sees what I do or say or who I call. I would rather my every move be monitored as long as it has the possibility of some terrorist being caught preemptively.
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People act like this kind of thing is new. Its been around forever.
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False. Instead of addressing what people are actually saying, you're pretending that they're saying something they never did.
Warrantless searching isn't new. It's just illegal, immoral, and more dangerous that what it supposedly protects us from.
However, the scale on which spying is being conducted now--the sheer amount of data being collected from hundreds of millions of citizens--is indeed unprecedented. We know that simply because the technology to collect and store that much data did not exist until fairly recently.
I'm not doing anything wrong so I don't care who sees what I do or say or who I call.
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Anyone who says that there's no need for privacy unless you're doing something "wrong" is woefully ignorant not only of history, but of basic human interaction.
Gary02468 said:
False. Instead of addressing what people are actually saying, you're pretending that they're saying something they never did.
Warrantless searching isn't new. It's just illegal, immoral, and more dangerous that what it supposedly protects us from.
However, the scale on which spying is being conducted now--the sheer amount of data being collected from hundreds of millions of citizens--is indeed unprecedented. We know that simply because the technology to collect and store that much data did not exist until fairly recently.
Anyone who says that there's no need for privacy unless you're doing something "wrong" is woefully ignorant not only of history, but of basic human interaction.
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Yeah. Sure. Cool.
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Why is this useless, off-topic thread still open!?
khaytsus said:
Why is this useless, off-topic thread still open!?
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(1) It pertains to the AT&T Note 3. (It also pertains to other AT&T phones, but so do many of the AT&T topics discussed here.)
(2) The thread was already dormant until you bumped it just now.
This sort of stuff surely has to have been happening for a while, it's not like they get anything useful out of civilians anyways.
The only terrorists they will catch are the ones that the CIA is training funding and helping conduct and carry out their plan. The CIA has been running alqueda since the start of it. The name it self was a US government database that bin Laden liked and used the name. Every major dictator in history the US has put in power funded and then took them out. It's Hegelian Dialectic=Problem – Reaction – Solution.
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AT&T's going to cough up whatever they're subpoenaed to. Bully for them for extracting a fee for it.
BarryH_GEG said:
AT&T's going to cough up whatever they're subpoenaed to. Bully for them for extracting a fee for it.
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You're just making that up. The people involved have acknowledged that there is no subpoena, and that acknowledgement has been widely reported.
Gary02468 said:
You're just making that up. The people involved have acknowledged that there is no subpoena, and that acknowledgement has been widely reported.
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So? With all that's come to light post-Snowden does this surprise you? The other carriers could be doing something similar and it's just not been made known yet. Post-9/11 the world's a sinister place with both the good guys and bad guys trying to outmaneuver each other with us innocents caught in the middle. If this freaks people out move to another carrier. I guess I operate under the naive assumption that my data being scoured isn't a big deal because I'm not doing anything wrong. My life in data-form would probably be considered pretty boring by those reading it.
Why does everyone think that it's Ok just because they are not doing anything wrong? The founding fathers put the constitution together to protect us from things like this. Lately people are so for giving up their rights all in the name of keeping them "safe" Ben Franklin said " those who will give up liberty for security shall have neither". There are a lot of people who need to wake up to the tyranny that is going on around them before it's to late. The only time people start to care is when it effects them by that time they are a day late and a dollar short. This is a tyrannical regimen we are dealing with and it will only get worse until we stop allowing it to continue just because "I'm not doing anything wrong so why should I care". We either all need to stand up for our rights or we will all fall together.
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boxerlover02 said:
Ben Franklin said " those who will give up liberty for security shall have neither".
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Here's a hint to tell if you're totally off topic for a tech forum - when your posts contain quotes from dead presidents. Fascinating point of view; for Reddit.
I agree I went off topic. But it burns me up that everyone always says "well I have nothing to hide so I don't care". Or there is nothing we can do about it so why should I care... Just think if the men who fought for this country to become a country had that same attitude. There would be no USA. Again sorry for the rant, but we need to hang together or fall separate.
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