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[Q] Advice Wanted: What Tablet Should I Purchase To Run Win8?

I do not and have not ever owned a computer. I do love Windows Phone. So tempted am I after looking at god knows how many YT videos of the CP of 8. So. Tempted. What tablet do you guys recommend? What laptop? This is my first computer and I, quite frankly, expect it to last for a good while.
I know it's buggy. I know it's a beta. But damn does it look sexy.

If you want to get a tablet that can run Windows 8, is well-built, and modern-looking, and you want it before the proper Windows 8 tablets come out in the second half of the year... then the Samsung Series 7 Slate would be my recommendation.

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If you want to get a tablet that can run Windows 8, is well-built, and modern-looking, and you want it before the proper Windows 8 tablets come out in the second half of the year... then the Samsung Series 7 Slate would be my recommendation.
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Quite a hefty price tag on that. Every YT review mentions that the viewing angles are subpar. Your assessment as well? Otherwise, sexy specs, indeed. Added to the list, thanks.

Wait for windows 8 to launch and get a quality laptop with a touch screen. They will be flooding the market then and $750 will probably be enough for decent model. You may also want to avoid a tablet for windows 8 since software support for the ARM architecture is going to take a little time. A laptop with touch screen will allow you to fully enjoy the touch features metro brings while also being able to run everyday software and not just the simple metro apps.

I am running Windows 8 CP on a JooJoo (Intel Atom N270 and Nvidia ION), and it's running well. But I am jealous when I watch other people with Samsung Series 7 Slate running same tasks 3-4 times faster. So I would say that Samsung Slate deserves its money if you want power. But if you are looking for something affordable take a look at Winpad P100 with dual-core N570 and Hi-Definition 1366*768 screen. It will cost you around 450$. From what I read it is quite good compared to other Tablet PCs.
Cheers!

I owned a Samsung Slate for a week and I wouldn't recommend it.

cristidotro said:
I am running Windows 8 CP on a JooJoo (Intel Atom N270 and Nvidia ION), and it's running well. But I am jealous when I watch other people with Samsung Series 7 Slate running same tasks 3-4 times faster. So I would say that Samsung Slate deserves its money if you want power. But if you are looking for something affordable take a look at Winpad P100 with dual-core N570 and Hi-Definition 1366*768 screen. It will cost you around 450$. From what I read it is quite good compared to other Tablet PCs.
Cheers!
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This thing looks pretty good and when I googled it I found a website that it selling it for $349 (single core) and add $50 for the Dual Core so its only $400 bucks...

Acer Iconia Tab W500
I think one of the challenges you are going to run into right now is that no hardware manufacturer is really making a true Win8-optimized Laptop. Buying anything at the moment is kind of a crap-shoot as a result.
If you are truly looking owning something that needs to last a few years you may be better waiting until the product goes gold and Dell, HP, Lenovo (and even Nokia if rumors are to be believed) begin coming out with product that will take advantage of the touch-enabled interface. I know I'm not making any expensive personal decisions until then as I expect to see a lot of interesting stuff at that point.
For testing purposes I've been using an Acer Iconia Tab W500 since the DP release that was boosted with an 80GB SSD. Total cost was about $600.00 (Tablet plus SSD bought off eBay) and as a Tablet PC for testing it is a great deal for the money.

Wait until fully win8 compliant hardware available
To be able to use a Win8 tablet like any of the other modern tablets, it needs to be able to allow Metro apps (like mail, feeds, weather) to update themselves while the device is asleep.
To do this, the hardware has to support the Connected Standby (CS) state.
The CS presenter at the BUILD conference stated that the tablet handed out there (same as Samsung Slate XE700T) did NOT support CS.
That is why I stopped being interested in the Slate.
I would suggest waiting until devices running the full finished Win8 come out as they would most likely support all the designed-in Win8 functionality.
To those who think that a laptop with touch will do, I say that the Samsung Slate has shown that a dual core i5 64bit tablet is easily capable of replacing almost all current laptops, but in a more flexible and convenient format. I predict that tablets with keyboards will replace laptops almost completely (come the next replacement opportunity).

my recomendation...
If you absolutely can't wait, I have an Acer Iconia Tab W500.
10.1 Inches, AMD Fusion C-60 (yes, not C-50) dual core @1.0Ghz with Radeon HD6290 graphics, 2Gb of memory and a 32 Gb SSD for storage.
I got it with the Keyboard dock which ads a Lan and makes it an awesome choice.
Better by far than any atom out there.

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If you absolutely can't wait, I have an Acer Iconia Tab W500.
10.1 Inches, AMD Fusion C-60 (yes, not C-50) dual core @1.0Ghz with Radeon HD6290 graphics, 2Gb of memory and a 32 Gb SSD for storage.
I got it with the Keyboard dock which ads a Lan and makes it an awesome choice.
Better by far than any atom out there.
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I second this. The W500 is so awesome. I have the version with C-50 and even this one does most games and programmes amazingly fast!

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I got the Samsung Slate. My reasoning is on my blog at gadgets dot itwriting dot com - I have too few posts here to give the link unfortunately. Search for Samsung.
Frankly, the device is not that well designed. The keyboard (optional extra) is particularly annoying, because it has no real on/off button. Very hard to pack a keyboard in such a way that keys do not get pressed accidentally. Consequently, if you pack keyboard + slate in your bag, with the slate on sleep, the keyboard wakes it up and bad things happen. Ended up removing batteries from keyboard when not in use, and they rattle around at the bottom of the bag.
Of course you don't need to get the keyboard; and with Windows 8 it works better than with 7 although I have not got the rotation sensor working yet. The Windows button doesn't work quite right, especially after it has been on for a while, but no great loss. Performance is great, and I don't regret the purchase given that I really need to use Windows 8 NOW.
If you can hold off though, I would definitely wait for devices that are designed for Windows 8.
Tim

^^ the Series 7 Slate keyboard has an off switch. Its the same button you click to put it in pairing mode.

dtboos said:
^^ the Series 7 Slate keyboard has an off switch. Its the same button you click to put it in pairing mode.
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I have found it works OK as an "on" switch but not as an "off" switch!
Tim

Hardware wise what's coming in the next few months?

bmstrong said:
Hardware wise what's coming in the next few months?
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Probably nothing. You won't see new devices until Win8 is ready to be released.

dtboos said:
Probably nothing. You won't see new devices until Win8 is ready to be released.
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Well, nuts. I convinced my brother to drop it onto his laptop. Absolutely fantastic for me, as a long time Windows user he was horrified. A lot, I think comes down to a fear of change and the misconception that you can't really do anything with the MetroTop. As a WP lover I couldn't be happier and wished they didn't even include the desktop side.
I'll look around at a couple suggestions, perhaps with the fever surrounding the iPad 3 I can snatch something cheap.

Is the Acer Iconia W510 the way to go?

Price wise, it is really catching my eye, although I'm speaking the "Tablet" only.
I feel as though the dock bundle is a bit pricey. $750.
Anyone have this & want to share a mini review or an alternative peice of hardware in comparison, value wise?

Genjinaro said:
Price wise, it is really catching my eye, although I'm speaking the "Tablet" only.
I feel as though the dock bundle is a bit pricey. $750.
Anyone have this & want to share a mini review or an alternative peice of hardware in comparison, value wise?
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Got to get that x86 processor. Prices for intel w8 tablets should drop around $500 soon. $750 is way too much for a glorified netbook.

True... Hell, surface really screwed the new wave of Windows, price wise.
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What happened to it?
The Acer W510 tablets have been yanked off all the Best Buy and Future Shop web sites - like it never existed? Anybody hear what happened?

Probably because it has only 32GB. For full Win8, that means only a few GB remains for data use. There's no space for anything else. It's not a usable device.
Perhaps not so coincidentally, the 32GB W510 is available now in MS Store as a $399 Cyber Monday deal.
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/pd/Acer-Iconia-W510-1674-Tablet/productID.258447300

I'm definitely planning on getting this device..at the price point it seems to offer the most bang for the buck. I like the size and weight and think it'll serve its purpose (consumption tablet w/ the ability to run full xbmc and ACTUAL desktop web pages) just fine. Aside from its lack of availability the only other thing I'm waiting for is a more detailed video review. In the meantime I've found this:
http://www.amazon.com/Acer-Iconia-W...dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

Samsung Series 7 Slate equals win.
Genjinaro said:
Price wise, it is really catching my eye, although I'm speaking the "Tablet" only.
I feel as though the dock bundle is a bit pricey. $750.
Anyone have this & want to share a mini review or an alternative peice of hardware in comparison, value wise?
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I have the Samsung Series 7 slate that came with Windows 7. I love it, with Win8 that is. It has 64gb of space and you can add a microsd as well. Also has the i5 processor and 4gb ram. You can get one on eBay for maybe 600 or less tablet only. I was tempted a bit by the new Ativ 500, but it has the atom processor and half the ram. They are releasing a new series 7 but really pricey. Get the series 7 with win 7, pay the 40 for the upgrade and you won't regret it.:good:

Spectredroid said:
I have the Samsung Series 7 slate that came with Windows 7. I love it, with Win8 that is. It has 64gb of space and you can add a microsd as well. Also has the i5 processor and 4gb ram. You can get one on eBay for maybe 600 or less tablet only. I was tempted a bit by the new Ativ 500, but it has the atom processor and half the ram. They are releasing a new series 7 but really pricey. Get the series 7 with win 7, pay the 40 for the upgrade and you won't regret it.:good:
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for me it becomes a question of battery life and portability..how does it fare in those areas? If I didn't already have a laptop, I can defly see a home application for it. But I'm looking for something that I can take on the road

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for me it becomes a question of battery life and portability..how does it fare in those areas? If I didn't already have a laptop, I can defly see a home application for it. But I'm looking for something that I can take on the road
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I take it with me everywhere. The 11.6 really to me is great. I mean, obviously it is a little bigger, but the screen resolution is so nice it is great. I got the Samsung Book cover for it, and carry it with me no problems. I had a 10.1 sammy gtab before. Battery life is good, except if you watch a lot of video, then it sucks it up. but that is true with any tablet. It lasts me all day though. I have never had to charge it before maybe 8 in the evening. The thing that is great over every tablet I have seen running win8 is no lag at all. I mean this thing is butter smooth. I have replaced my laptop completely with this. It runs desktop software great. Some are not made for touch though, so the stylus make that experience much better. If you want, the bluetooth keyboard works very well too.

For me, i'm still haven't decided between asus vivobook and acer iconia w7.
I still can't decided which form factor i want, a tablet or a touch screen laptop.
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The Vivo is nice, but I just can't get with rt only. I really like win8, I think is great for a tablet, and if you want something this is completely usable, rt just isn't there yet. Surface pro will be out, but 1 grand. Stiff. 4 hours battery life. Bummer. I love the form factor though. :good:

Spectredroid said:
I take it with me everywhere. The 11.6 really to me is great. I mean, obviously it is a little bigger, but the screen resolution is so nice it is great. I got the Samsung Book cover for it, and carry it with me no problems. I had a 10.1 sammy gtab before. Battery life is good, except if you watch a lot of video, then it sucks it up. but that is true with any tablet. It lasts me all day though. I have never had to charge it before maybe 8 in the evening. The thing that is great over every tablet I have seen running win8 is no lag at all. I mean this thing is butter smooth. I have replaced my laptop completely with this. It runs desktop software great. Some are not made for touch though, so the stylus make that experience much better. If you want, the bluetooth keyboard works very well too.
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I'm pretty amazed that a past generation i5 processor can last you all day.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834110479
That's cheap, and has a great Reslolution, for 300 bucks. It's got an atom, but it's cheaper than the Iconia, with double the storage. You'll have to install 8 through USB, though.

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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834110479
That's cheap, and has a great Reslolution, for 300 bucks. It's got an atom, but it's cheaper than the Iconia, with double the storage. You'll have to install 8 through USB, though.
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That is a headache waiting to happen. The processor is far too weak to get any real use out of it, even with an SSD.
Sometimes its worth saving just a little extra.

This device is a great tablet at a great price
I got the iconia W510 and I have to admin that I love it. It will take a little time to get used to the windows 8 gestures but after that it works very well. Also the $400 price tag is a steal for a fully x86 compatible tablet. Even though it has only the Atom clover trail, it's fast enough and does not really lag. It can do hbo-go from the browser with no issues. The screen is beautiful and clear. It also has NFC even though that does not seem to be advertised and not sure what it could be used for yet.... And for the record I am NOT a Microsoft fan boy, I have an IPad 3, an iPad mini, iPhone 5 and still love those devices but I got to admit that this tablet is great and I can use it to replace my laptop using the BT keyboard and mouse. I just need to get the keyboard dock and that can definitely replace a work laptop...

I decided on this device w/keyboard dock for these personal reasons:
not RT - 'nuff said
price - ivy bridge would be great, but not at those prices, I just assume sacrifice the hybrid flexibility and get a kick-ass ultrabook
size - 11.6" is cool for a notebook, but too cumbersome for a tablet
keyboard dock - it's very stable when docked and easy to connect/disconnect, the Asus less so, and I've heard multiple complaints of the Samsung Ativ frequently losing its connection altogether (no keyboard response), not acceptable
battery life - can work all day while docked and still have a fully charged tablet battery, the surface pro estimates are pathetic
storage - wish it had more on-board, I eliminated any 32 gb model from consideration
performance - granted, there's a hit compared to ivy bridge, but no doubt clover trail is an improvement over the previous atom, so far this has not been an issue for what I do with the device
For sure, my purchase decision is filled with compromises and trade-offs, but I guess that's how it is when considering a 1st-generation hybrid. I could have waited for the next gen when there will likely be less trade-offs and better values. But no, I wanted one of these now! I'm loving the flexibility of having a laptop and tablet in one device, and being able to run x86 apps helps make up for stuff lacking in the Windows store (i.e. DropBox).

Anyone able to comment on multitasking and gaming? specifically what is gaming like on the devcice. I know you wont get performance when playing games like modern warfare crysis etc but whats it like on the tablet games angry birds/jetpack joyride/riptide gp etc? I want something purely for consumption multimedia light gaming and internet surfing streaming, and am trying to deciede between intel and rt.

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Anyone able to comment on multitasking and gaming? specifically what is gaming like on the devcice. I know you wont get performance when playing games like modern warfare crysis etc but whats it like on the tablet games angry birds/jetpack joyride/riptide gp etc? I want something purely for consumption multimedia light gaming and internet surfing streaming, and am trying to deciede between intel and rt.
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I have the Asus Vivo Tab 11.6" one with Clover Trail processor like the Acer W510 and it does all the games from the Windows store quite well. It does Pinball FX2, and RIptide perfectly smooth. Hydro Thunder for some reason isn't as smooth on some parts but still smooth enough to be playable. I even installed Iron Man PC game from 2007 and it plays really well. Even the newest Google earth with 3d buildings works decently, but it sometimes crashes the graphics driver.
Multitasking is very smooth. When installing apps I can tell it takes like twice as long as an I5 or I7 PC but there's no lag at least. Switching between apps is very fast and smooth no matter what I have running on the background.

I have the Samsung 500T. I picked it because I wanted a 11.6 inch tablet for the more spacious keyboard. I had a real bad time with Acer's TF300 keyboard being too small and worried the W510 would be a similar experience.
That said. I do hate how slick the back of the 500T is. And it's really bad with 1080p videos. A reviewer mentioned their 500T had problems with 1080p also, but the W510 had no problems at all. So hopefully it's not a hardware limitation and Samsung can fix this eventually.
It's a shame so many Windows 8 Atom tablets have been delayed until mid January. Had I more patience, I probably should have waited. I think I might have liked the HP Envy X2 more. The ASUS seems to be out of the question with it's crazy price tag of $800 just for the tablet.
As for multitasking. I try to do it sparingly. And I avoid doing anything at all while x86 apps are installing as it's very laggy. I tend to spend most of my time with desktop apps. On the Windows 8 (Metro) those apps usually fly (as long as they don't involve playing 1080p videos).

Hey guys...typing this from the w510 keyboard dock I got from acer today. I bought my 32gb w510 from microcenter for $399 plus tax. Keyboard was $160 shipped. I've been using the keyboard for 10 minutes and will say I freaking love it. I guess I'm just so attracted to the functionality that a keyboard/touchpad add (had the original asus transformer). feels even more natural in the windows 8 environment.
The tablet itself is very lightweight, and I personally really like how it looks, the white trim, silver back, clean design. yes its plastic but mine feels really good.
Now for you guys new to the w510 there are some possible game breakers for you as far as bugs...
Sound will randomally just die and you have to restart the tablet to get it back. This has NOT happened to me since I installed the latest bios/drivers. Similarly, it has frozen on me a couple times, again - this has not happened to me since the drivers. Finally there is a big issue with the touchpad becoming wildly inaccurate. theres a debate whether that's a hardware issue or driver issue. Mine has not gone bonkers yet.
I gotta say I really like this tablet overall... especially with the dock for the price. My nexus 10 arrived today, I'm only keeping one of them.... I'll be honest and say its gonna be really hard to give up the w510 because of the overall package.
Those interested in gaming - the atom is not graphics friendly but it will play the windows store games. Performance wise, the atom should deliver similar non gaming/graphics functionality to that of the n10's xyneos (spelling) - I believe anandtech did a comparison on this.

Nvidia Shield Epic Win? Or Epic Fail

Well this is a new idea (somewhat) so I wanna hear what you guys think about this is it going to win? Or fail
S4 INFO

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Well this is a new idea (somewhat) so I wanna hear what you guys think about this is it going to win? Or fail
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Refer to that thread to discuss it.... keep offtopic out of here or..
i will report you!
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It's hard to say at this point.
The offer is good in my opinion. If they deliver it could be an awesome piece of tech.
Now some things have to done well in order for it to succed.
First they have to avoid having a flawed product. Nvidia is relatively new in hardware making and a lot of thing could go wrong in the process which could cripple the product.
Then they have to price it correctly. It's a difficult thing to price. Android games alone aren't good enough to charge a premium for it and the other streaming aspect can't be done by itself and need another already expensive piece of tech nearby. And as a tablet, media consumption device the form factor isn't really good. Overall it's not an ultimate device for any kind of use but it does alot of thing nicely and have some unique feature.
For me they can't price it above 400$ and should be somewhere between 300 and 350.
Then they have to delivers the product and make it available everywhere cause the first rule to a succesfull product is to make it reach the buyer !
And finally they have to ramp up the THD games on Android to deliver the much needed content and drive sells. If they could get some big design win from other OEM for Tegra 4 it would help tremendiously in this area.
Anyway that's my 2 cents. I'm probably gonna buy it if priced right and available soon. I want a T4 device and if the Shield is the first one by a long shot I'll surely go for it.

I don't think any product can be "epic" at this point. The Shield brings very strong points and will be successful. I'd expect it to be about as popular as the Nexus 7 if NVidia can get a Walmart contract and the price right.

If it became as successful as the Nexus 7 i would be seriously shocked and that is coming from a guy who wants the Project Shield to be a success.
I think the Nexus 7 hits far more every day use abilities then this will. I cannot see browsing the web or streaming video to much on it and honestly anything touch related will be cumbersome because of the huge controller below the screen.
Obviously price point will dictate alot of this but this is Nvidia after all and we have be realistic it will not be cheap even if it should be.
I do not know how many Nexus 7's were sold but im sure it was in the many millions and ill be surprised if Nvidia sells more then a couple of those in its entire lifetime.

They will sell if the price is wright.

Great article on why the SHIELD can very well be the ground breaking device it claims to be.
http://www.gadgetreview.com/2013/02...-want-it-and-everything-you-need-to-know.html

It has tons of potential, but mainstream adoption will depend 100% on how well Nvidia can advertise and explain to the consumers.
1) This is very hard sell to the mainstream consumer. It is slightly confusing to the untrained person (PC games on a handheld?!), and will take some brilliant marketing to get the message out there. It will be especially hard for Nvidia since they are very new to hardware and have never released an in-house device before.
2) Pricing will be an issue. Nvidia will almost certainly have to sell this at a slight loss/break even and hope to make up some sales in the Tegra store/other places (i'll be upgrading my 560Ti to a 660Ti+ or 7xx for this). I imagine they won't be initially making a ton of these which means the components won't be super cheap. I hope they take a play out of google's book and sell it for as cheap as they can afford to. If they try to sell it at $600, it will sell to a few diehards but never see mainstream adoption.
3) I am personally beyond excited for one! It is everything I need and want, especially with Steam big picture mode. One of the reasons I refuse to buy anything more than casual games on Android is because on-screen controls that try to emulate controllers are TERRIBLE. Android devices are finally getting the power needed to attract AAA developers, and with this the control is finally there as well.
4) Again, my main concern is on marketing/educating the consumer. It seems a ton of companies struggle with that these days.

I hope it'll fail. PS Vita is way better solution if You like gaming in motion.

This is one of those things that could sell and it couldn't its really to early to tell i hope it sells...

I think it's a good idea for Nvidia, there are a lot of awesome games in the Play Store.

I could definitely see this being an epic win, and I hope it does, but I think that all hinges on price and marketing, unfortunately thus far they seem to be marketing it in a way that won't help it, specifically the steam streaming, is it cool? yup. Is it useful? not really, it requires pretty specific hardware to even use so most people won't be able to use, and it requires you to be on the same wifi as the computer streaming, at which point there's not much point playing on the tiny shield screen vs your computer monitor.
What they really need to do is price and market as a competitor to the 3DS and PSvita, that's where it could win, they just need to price it competitively, to those, which means really trying to stick to the $250 range and they need to push for develop support for real console quality games and not rely on "mobile" games. If they push it that way and can get the dev support I see absolutely no reason to get 3DS or Vita as it really is superior, the control is better and more comfortable, great screen, hardware wise the processor and graphics are superior to the Vita as it's based on last gen android hardware (quad core cortex-A9 & PowerVR SGX543MP4+), there will likely be yearly refreshes of Shield with faster and faster hardware supporting more graphically intense games and it's a standard open platform, meaning all your old games come with you, 100% backwards compatibility, which is awesome.

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I could definitely see this being an epic win, and I hope it does, but I think that all hinges on price and marketing, unfortunately thus far they seem to be marketing it in a way that won't help it, specifically the steam streaming, is it cool? yup. Is it useful? not really, it requires pretty specific hardware to even use so most people won't be able to use, and it requires you to be on the same wifi as the computer streaming, at which point there's not much point playing on the tiny shield screen vs your computer monitor.
What they really need to do is price and market as a competitor to the 3DS and PSvita, that's where it could win, they just need to price it competitively, to those, which means really trying to stick to the $250 range and they need to push for develop support for real console quality games and not rely on "mobile" games. If they push it that way and can get the dev support I see absolutely no reason to get 3DS or Vita as it really is superior, the control is better and more comfortable, great screen, hardware wise the processor and graphics are superior to the Vita as it's based on last gen android hardware (quad core cortex-A9 & PowerVR SGX543MP4+), there will likely be yearly refreshes of Shield with faster and faster hardware supporting more graphically intense games and it's a standard open platform, meaning all your old games come with you, 100% backwards compatibility, which is awesome.
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Nvidia has stated in interviews that they are going to be selling it "for profit." which makes me slightly concerned that it would be exorbitantly more expensive than the Vita/3DS. They might be able to make up for it by 1) producing the silicon themselves 2) the use of a 720p screen rather than 1080p.
However, I fear they will have a hard time bringing it down to the $250 range, even though it really needs to be there in order to sell.

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Nvidia has stated in interviews that they are going to be selling it "for profit." which makes me slightly concerned that it would be exorbitantly more expensive than the Vita/3DS. They might be able to make up for it by 1) producing the silicon themselves 2) the use of a 720p screen rather than 1080p.
However, I fear they will have a hard time bringing it down to the $250 range, even though it really needs to be there in order to sell.
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Well I could still see $250 being a doable price point, take the Nexus 7 for example, 7" 1280x800 display, current gen (at the time) tegra 3 processor and 16gb of storage for $199, $249 for 32gb, and supposedly being updated to a Snapdragon 600/800 & 1080p at display at the same price points, so $250 wifi/$300 4G seems reasonable for a smaller screen with say 16gb of internal storage and the integrated controller. But yeah, I guess we'll see, but I do think over those prices and it will struggle to get any sort of market acceptance, if they could manage a $199 price point for a wifi only model I bet they would sell really well.
Though I will say though that I think they should have went with a slightly larger screen, something in the 6" range would have been awesome.

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Well I could still see $250 being a doable price point, take the Nexus 7 for example, 7" 1280x800 display, current gen (at the time) tegra 3 processor and 16gb of storage for $199, $249 for 32gb, and supposedly being updated to a Snapdragon 600/800 & 1080p at display at the same price points, so $250 wifi/$300 4G seems reasonable for a smaller screen with say 16gb of internal storage and the integrated controller. But yeah, I guess we'll see, but I do think over those prices and it will struggle to get any sort of market acceptance, if they could manage a $199 price point for a wifi only model I bet they would sell really well.
Though I will say though that I think they should have went with a slightly larger screen, something in the 6" range would have been awesome.
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That's a good point, although Google and Asus sold it at a very minimal profit, pretty much at-cost, at least initially until component prices came down a bit... Hopefully Nvidia can do the same, and this thing might stand a chance!

interesting concept, but the design..hm

For people with the S4, it seems better value just to get a Moga style controller and use that. Display is better on the S4 and hdmi out works great.
As a dedicated gamer, I am tempted. I wonder if Nvidia will have apps 2sd as an option? At least there is about 8gb more on this than the Ouya.

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For people with the S4, it seems better value just to get a Moga style controller and use that. Display is better on the S4 and hdmi out works great.
As a dedicated gamer, I am tempted. I wonder if Nvidia will have apps 2sd as an option? At least there is about 8gb more on this than the Ouya.
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Well right now if your are interested in the shield for android games only then yes buying a wireless controller would be better. If you are going to use the pc streaming then I think buying the shield would be better. I have yet to see an app for android that does a good job streaming pc games to android.
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Well I could still see $250 being a doable price point, take the Nexus 7 for example, 7" 1280x800 display, current gen (at the time) tegra 3 processor and 16gb of storage for $199, $249 for 32gb
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Don't forget that the prices you list there are current prices and not the prices from launch, when 8Gb was $199, and 16Gb was $249

Asus T100 Worth it?

well my budget allows me to buy this device all though im still considering buying the TF701T i already have an android tablet that fulfils my needs (an xperia Z1 tablet) im a student and can use a computer as a substitute to a notebook
my uses are studies of course i travel a lot on trains so a fluent web browser and 1080p movie playback would be great too and very very light gaming i saw that the T100 runs some late 2012-2013 gaming on low settings its enough to pass a train ride for me
so what do you suggest guys? im in a big dilemma over here

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well my budget allows me to buy this device all though im still considering buying the TF701T i already have an android tablet that fulfils my needs (an xperia Z1 tablet) im a student and can use a computer as a substitute to a notebook
my uses are studies of course i travel a lot on trains so a fluent web browser and 1080p movie playback would be great too and very very light gaming i saw that the T100 runs some late 2012-2013 gaming on low settings its enough to pass a train ride for me
so what do you suggest guys? im in a big dilemma over here
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My personal suggestion would be the T100.... What I like about it is the full version windows, so you have much more flexibility in terms of software... Specially having the office suite make it a good choice for study concerns... I have a dell venue pro and i just love the versatility of windows 8...

>Asus T100 Worth it?
Probably not. It'll be outdated within the month, when new Bay Trail lines come out for back-to-school shopping. The new stuff will be cheaper, and won't have problems of the previous gen, like 32-bit UEFI. Buy T100 if it's a good deal, say half off, but that won't happen until Oct/Nov when last-gen stuff hit bargain bin.

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>Asus T100 Worth it?
Probably not. It'll be outdated within the month, when new Bay Trail lines come out for back-to-school shopping. The new stuff will be cheaper, and won't have problems of the previous gen, like 32-bit UEFI. Buy T100 if it's a good deal, say half off, but that won't happen until Oct/Nov when last-gen stuff hit bargain bin.
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im not looking for some high-end laptop every thing will be eventually outdated its just a matter of months because technology is in non stop full throttle evolving.
i think ill buy the t100 with the 500GB expansion on the dock which is kinda choking in budget terms but its probably worth it.
another question does the 500GB HDD drain massive battery? i mean its an HDD it must be draining battery but the real question is how much it drains.
and for 1080P were talking MKV'S right? im not using streaming of some sort even though i'd like to see DLNA on this tablet (does it have DLNA?)
thanks for the answers guys

I am answering you from my T100, I got it on march and it's awesome. I study electrical engeneering and the software needs are perfectly covered by the tablet in terms of simulations with Origin, Maple or any kind until now. The office suite is a full version and works great, some guy who went with me had a Mac and he had a bunch of problems in terms of compatibility and even an inferior performance(it was a 2012, I think).
Related to your question, the HDD drain is horrible, it's getting better with every update but it a bad performance. You can't go to sleep and leave it on because on the morning it will have died. In my opinion it's the only thing the iPad has better than the asus, the resting battery drain is bad, if I'm not going to use it in 1 hour I shut it down, it boots in 10 seconds so you don't really lose time and the performance difference worth it.
I hope I helped you, good luck.

The hard drive does shut down when it's idle, which helps minimise any power drain. If you knew you weren't using the hard drive, but wanted to be sure it didn't cause any drain, you can also "eject" it (using the "safely remove hardware" icon at bottom right on taskbar). (Annoyingly sometimes Windows says it can't, but undocking and redocking fixes it...)
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Asus-Transformer-Book-T100TA-C1-GR-Convertible.106219.0.html says their website-surfing test showed 9h16m for with hard drive, 10h47m without. So a significant difference, but OTOH, I decided that over 9 hours was still very good, especially compared to laptops.
All Windows PCs can be DLNA servers as standard (via Windows Media Player), and many Windows 8 apps support playing to DLNA devices too. Playing from other DLNA devices should be no problem. I don't think DLNA requires any special hardware support, it's just done through standard Wifi.
I've found the T100 to be a great choice for an ultra-portable laptop, the low price and being able to double up as a tablet is a bonus. It's much more functional than Android tablets. If you already have an Android tablet, you'll get the best of both worlds (I have a Nexus 7; each platform has its own strengths). It's not as powerful as full laptops, but those are bigger and/or heavier, and the T100 is still fast enough for most purposes. It's way faster than older Atom netbooks (not just CPU; the SSD means much smoother performance than the crappy slow hard drives many netbooks used to have - even the hard drive in the dock is much faster than my old netbook's drive).
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You can't go to sleep and leave it on because on the morning it will have died. In my opinion it's the only thing the iPad has better than the asus, the resting battery drain is bad
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Well, there's a version of the T100 without hard drive, as well as plenty of other Windows tablets without hard drives.
Though I don't know if that is the reason - there really shouldn't be any significant drain on a T100 in sleep (even with hard drive - it should be shut down when sleeping). But some people have had problems on battery drain, which could be various reasons. I had terrible drain overnight, but this was fixed by updating to the latest BIOS driver. It's something that is more likely to be problematic on x86 Windows due to its heritage, compared to ARM mobile OSes like Android, but still, things are way better than what many laptops can do (e.g., being able to play music whilst on sleep).

BTW, for those in the market, T100 refurb (32GB flash) is hitting bargain bin at NewEgg. Good until 7/5.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834231730
$260 - $50 rebate (cash card) = $210
Decent deal for a last-gen refurb. Worth it if you need one right now, but new (BETTER! SHINIER!) toys are imminent. I expect the T100 successor with same above config will be $250-300. Less problems, better support.

Farewell Note Pro 12.2

After soul searching for a few weeks I decided to sell my 12.2. I really wanted a one device replacement for my tablets and laptop. As much as I tried, this just did not fit the bill. I was also surprised at the lack of any development on this tablet.
It is a solid device but needs a dock in my opinion and can't quite service all my needs in one device.
Bye bye 12.2. It was fun for a while.

Yeah I don't know if you're like me but as much as I wish for it there will never be a true "laptop replacement" other than a laptop itself lol. I always cringe a little when new users come to the note pro forums here or on Android Central and ask if these devices would serve them well as a laptop replacement. Truth is they do for some use cases but not all.
Sorry things didn't work out for you. It's too bad about lack of development too. Taking matters into ones own hands by using things like xposed gives some relief but it's not the same as true custom roms.
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So, what you end up getting?

Moderate Replacment ?
Mike02z said:
After soul searching for a few weeks I decided to sell my 12.2. I really wanted a one device replacement for my tablets and laptop. As much as I tried, this just did not fit the bill. I was also surprised at the lack of any development on this tablet.
It is a solid device but needs a dock in my opinion and can't quite service all my needs in one device.
Bye bye 12.2. It was fun for a while.
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Yeah I don't know if you're like me but as much as I wish for it there will never be a true "laptop replacement" other than a laptop itself lol. I always cringe a little when new users come to the note pro forums here or on Android Central and ask if these devices would serve them well as a laptop replacement. Truth is they do for some use cases but not all.
Sorry things didn't work out for you. It's too bad about lack of development too. Taking matters into ones own hands by using things like xposed gives some relief but it's not the same as true custom roms.
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So, what you end up getting?
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Im looking to use this as a light laptop replacement for school. I have a large 17.3 inch laptop that I lug around and i commute so its starting to be a pain. I want to use this for notes, writing in class , going over power points and light work. I will leave the serious stuff for my laptop at home. I will probably buy a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse. Do you think the device can cover these areas well ?

I went with a big i7 Surface 3. I had a lot of Amazon gift cards. With the dock, I'm thinking it *may* be my one device solution. Time will tell....

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Im looking to use this as a light laptop replacement for school. I have a large 17.3 inch laptop that I lug around and i commute so its starting to be a pain. I want to use this for notes, writing in class , going over power points and light work. I will leave the serious stuff for my laptop at home. I will probably buy a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse. Do you think the device can cover these areas well ?
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"Well" is subjective, particularly when it comes to generalized requirements. Take an existing powerpoint done on a computer that has complicated transitions and embedded objects and all bets are off as to whether or not the tablet will handle it "well" if at all.
I'm an engineer so I always err on the side of conservatism so I can't go on record telling you it will fit your needs perfectly. That said I think in general yeah you should be okay provided your specific requirements with regards to office file compatibility are not too high.

naruto.ninjakid said:
Im looking to use this as a light laptop replacement for school. I have a large 17.3 inch laptop that I lug around and i commute so its starting to be a pain. I want to use this for notes, writing in class , going over power points and light work. I will leave the serious stuff for my laptop at home. I will probably buy a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse. Do you think the device can cover these areas well ?
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It varies from person to person. I've used it for that in my last year and it served it's purpose well. (With a Logitech K810). As for if it will work for you, I can not say.
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I went with a big i7 Surface 3. I had a lot of Amazon gift cards. With the dock, I'm thinking it *may* be my one device solution. Time will tell....
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I really like the idea of the Surface. It's just such a shame they had to use a 1990's level GPU. You get an i7, 16GB RAM.... and an Intel HD 4000. If there was ever the definition of a bottleneck, it's an Intel HD. That piece of junk is not worth 2000 quid. Not worth 800, either. 150, maybe.
I require a dedicated GPU for my day to day usage of a laptop (Design/Gaming).
If the Surface 4 gets an Nvidia, now that will be worth considering.

I do no gaming and no graphic design work so it seems to be just want I needed. So far, so good.
I don't think the Surface 3 Pro is advertised anywhere as a gamer machine.

Mike02z said:
I do no gaming and no graphic design work so it seems to be just want I needed. So far, so good.
I don't think the Surface 3 Pro is advertised anywhere as a gamer machine.
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I know. And if you're happy with it, don't let me stop you. (no really, I mean it. This is just my opinion, you don't need my opinion to enjoy your device )
I just don't think it's worth the price it sells for. Not in terms of hardware.
My laptop has an IntelHD 4000 and an Nvidia 740M. (That requires some managing as a gamer.) Inside is the same range of an i7 and 16GB RAM. When I select the IntelHD as the device to play a 2k film, it freezes every few minutes, botches up the render of several shot switches and if it's 4K, simply doesn't even get past the very first frame. The sound plays, but the video simply can't be rendered.
That's how weak an Intel HD is. Now tell me, is that worth 800 quid? Let alone 2000?
I like the idea, I really, really do. And if they add an Nvidia, I will absolutely buy the top-tier one.
But I can't understand why people would pay so much for such outdated and lousy tech.(But then, I feel the same about Apple users.) Or why companies are so utterly stupid in adding them. It's bloody difficult to even find a decent laptop below 8000 quid that doesn't have one of those useless Intel HD's. Intel HD should've been banned from the market year ago since the Family 4.

I recently had the Surface Pro 3 and it really was a solid device. I actually returned my Wi-Fi GNP12.2 to get it. But for what it cost, I really expected more. That device needs broadwell. Thermal issues and such really prevent you from taking advantage of it's higher potential performance capability. It ended up being a basic media and light productivity device, for which I found the Galaxy Note Pro 12.2 to be fully capable of doing, for considerably less money.
I decided to go back to the GNP12.2, except this time I went with the SM-P907A as my "small notebook replacement" device. Add in the solid Samsung keyboard case, S Mouse, and I'm ready to roll. The Snapdragon still does it's thing better than the Exynos, I've got LTE everywhere (love that feature), and with the right apps, it really has been able to do everything I need out a portable computing device. I mean, it's light, excellent battery life, crisp screen... the list goes on.
Keeping in mind, I do have a more powerful 15" Ultrabook and high-end fixed workstation for more demanding tasks. But for the day-to-day mobile stuff, it's been working great for me. Well, at least until something more interesting comes along. With that said, I do agree it's not for everybody. Nothing ever is. But probably at least worth giving a shot for many. Either way, good luck! :good:

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I went with a big i7 Surface 3. I had a lot of Amazon gift cards. With the dock, I'm thinking it *may* be my one device solution. Time will tell....
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Hey man I am in the same boat. I just went through Dell Venue 8 pro-->11 pro--> Note 10.1 2014--> note pro 12.2. All in the matter of like a month.....
I have this to say about them all.
Dell venue series I bought out of a desire to try and stay cheap but still have an active digitizer. I am trying to digitize all of my notes for my masters program so that when I write my thesis it will all be accessible in one place. Venue 8 was too small, 10 was underpowered and the active digitizer on both was crap, I mean really bad. The note 10.1 was great but I wanted some more real estate so I went with the 12.2 for a week or so. Since it is the thread I am writing in I will make a few observations
1. Great tab overall, well powered but overwhelmed by Samsung TW UI, easy to take care of with root/greenify and what not.
2. For importing the pdfs and ppts from lecture it just took forever, I played with some different note taking apps and I always ended up with the S-pen app which is awesome, but it would not handle my 1000+ page books at all. I don't know how long I waited for snote to import it and then it crashed. What a shame because it was a champ otherwise.
3. One thing both the notes had for me was the multiwindow function, watch a lecture and take notes at the same time, but I noticed when I was streaming lectures that were in HD I would get some lags from the Snore and Spen. Again shame because I know the tab has the power to run it but I am guessing that its the TW issues again.
4. Why I ended up going elsewhere.(surface 3 i3)
- I want to get rid of carrying around my old 09 MBP and become a little more streamlined. I am relinquishing my MBP to be a home desktop/server since I dropped an extra 4gigs of ram and a 1TB HD in it through the years. This tab just didn't do it for me. It was soooooooo soooooo close but it just didn't quite get there from a productivity standpoint FOR ME.
5. I am a flashaholic with my phone sooooooo having something to run Odin/LGflashtool on when I am on the go would be nice so that I don't have to worry about ending up in bootloops and not have a phone the rest of the day.
Note to Samsung if you are reading this.
First, bravo on a great tab, seriously it is an awesome machine but
Second, get out of the way of the android experience a little(read a lot) more and let the hardware shine. I would love to see the android L update on this tab with a minimized TW UI so that you can really see the beast that is in the tablet.
I have gone from cheap to some of the best hybrid tablets you can go and I have this to say. The Note pro may be for you because its awesome but know what you need and what you don't. If you are trying to replace a laptop then the Note pro may not be for you unless you are talking about partial replacement to just carry around during the day and then use the big laptop back home, it may work then. BUT, if you want a true laptop replacement, like leave your old one to collect dust it may not be right for you.
Just trying to prevent so many open box items at my local best buy........
-Ice3186

I too use this tablet for school and for the price ($416 on ebay) it's a miracle device. I tried the surface pro 3 and the handwriting was not as good which was a deal breaker for at its price ($999 for the i5). I chose to just acept that ill have to carry around my toshiba a little while longer. snote is a underpowered app with frustrating lag when navigating through different ui but still the best there is. As a side note, I'm not sure why to would want to import pdfs into it when you can multi window them in a reader.

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I too use this tablet for school and for the price ($416 on ebay) it's a miracle device. I tried the surface pro 3 and the handwriting was not as good which was a deal breaker for at its price ($999 for the i5). I chose to just acept that ill have to carry around my toshiba a little while longer. snote is a underpowered app with frustrating lag when navigating through different ui but still the best there is. As a side note, I'm not sure why to would want to import pdfs into it when you can multi window them in a reader.
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Even as a power user, I have had no problem using the NP12.2 as a primary enterprise device. I travel a lot for business, do presentations and lecturing and so forth. My demands are quite high and I have loved the 12.2. On the occasion that I have needed something more powerful, the use of one of the remote apps (I like PhoneMyPC and have used it for years) works just fine as long as I keep my laptop at home, powered on, and connected to the internet. Then, when I need a file or something from the PC, well... that is what Dropbox is for. Couple the NP12.2 with a bluetooth keyboard case (and mouse if you need it) and it has been the best tablet that I have ever used, and I owned the first 10.1 android tablet two days after it came out.