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Of these 3 latest tabs, I think we have the best deal owning the Acer. I been trying to keep up on both Asus' and Xoom forums. Looks like the Acer has the least amount of bugs.
Both Xoom and Transformer continue to have bugs even after many updates. The only known bug that I think is real problem for Acer is the wake on sleep but that should be fixed with the update.
Im here in Cali and never got the update, but I don't have that problem
Thanks Acer
If knew "for sure" the update would fix the sleep issue, I would buy one again now (for the third time). Since I do not even trust myself, I will wait and see.
I keep recommending the Acer to people in other forums who are looking for a honeycomb tablet, but they all crow about Acer having a bad track record and the fact that it's not the thinnest and lightest device on the market. I'd much rather have USB host support and no bugs vs. thinnest and lightest with glitches, personally.
That's the problem with spec-sheet monkeys...
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That all said, the sleep mode issue is a pretty dag-burn big bug and glitch. If it really gets fixed, cool- I will buy another, since I agree it's the best total cost alternative for features and function.
I actually prefer waiting longer for a fully functioning 3.1 update. That Xoom is a mess and looks to be worse after their 3.1 update.
Transformer has had numerous Asus updates that tend to maybe make things worse for it. I think the only thing it has going for it is the IPS screen, but really, are you going to be viewing your Acer at 178 degrees? no. Our screen is fine, especiallly when you get some awesome wallpaper going on there.
But, yes, I know it sounds like this is another "I love my Acer Thread".
I just want people to notice that our Acer is by far, no where near as buggy as the Transformer and Xoom, other than the standard Honeycomb issues.
The reason why I think it might fix the sleep issue, from another forum:
"some info for you:
Below are the most important product improvements listed being covered by this update, which will further enrich the overall user experience;
1. Bluetooth Keyboard support added (currently for English language mapping only)
1. Touch panel performance improvement
1. G-sensor calibration
1. Fix for A500 turning off and on in sleep mode (Screen turning off and on when asleep?)
Firmware version change after FOTA update:
1.016.05_EMEA_GEN1 --> 1.139.05_EMEA_GEN1
Countries covered by EMEA_GEN1:
UK / France / Italy / Spain
This update will also become available for the other countries soon, but as the exact release schedule is not fully available yet we are not able to provide you with any reliable release date at this moment."
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I actually prefer waiting longer for a fully functioning 3.1 update. That Xoom is a mess and looks to be worse after their 3.1 update.
Transformer has had numerous Asus updates that tend to maybe make things worse for it. I think the only thing it has going for it is the IPS screen, but really, are you going to be viewing your Acer at 178 degrees? no. Our screen is fine, especiallly when you get some awesome wallpaper going on there.
But, yes, I know it sounds like this is another "I love my Acer Thread".
I just want people to notice that our Acer is by far, no where near as buggy as the Transformer and Xoom, other than the standard Honeycomb issues.
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Although I agree in principle, I've never owned a Transformer or Xoom so couldn't say from experience. But having poked my head into both forums over the last month or so, I do feel confident in having gone with the Iconia in that, it seems to me, there are far more 'troubled' users on the other forums than this one.
The lack of head-to-head Transformer vs Iconia reviews (that are granular and don't grant value to specs alone) are few and far between - and of those there are, they focus too much on specs and first impressions, not on enough on the full experience.
The Iconia would most certainly take the crown. But the Iconia is the less popular option, however, due mostly to misinformation and whatever hang-ups people have against the brand itself. I can't deny it's a solid user experience, with what I would refer to as 'basic' functions that all tablets should have for a price point that sets the bar - above and beyond.
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Of these 3 latest tabs, I think we have the best deal owning the Acer. I been trying to keep up on both Asus' and Xoom forums. Looks like the Acer has the least amount of bugs.
Both Xoom and Transformer continue to have bugs even after many updates. The only known bug that I think is real problem for Acer is the wake on sleep but that should be fixed with the update.
Im here in Cali and never got the update, but I don't have that problem
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What xoom bugs are you referring to? I've owned both at the same time for several days all the xoom bugs I experienced were also apparent with the Iconia.
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I actually prefer waiting longer for a fully functioning 3.1 update.
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I assume everyone has already seen this? (Acer getting 3.1 in June)
http://tech2.in.com/news/tablets/asus-and-acer-tablets-to-get-android-31-update-in-june/219952
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The reason why I think it might fix the sleep issue, from another forum:
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Not seeing "US" or "NA" anywhere though....
Thanks, none the less. Where is the source for the info?
Thanks!
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What xoom bugs are you referring to? I've owned both at the same time for several days all the xoom bugs I experienced were also apparent with the Iconia.
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I can't say exactly. Im just gathering my info from lurking in the other forums. Honeycomb on 10" tablets to compare within the forums.
I have only had my Acer. I played with the Transformer in Frys but my thought was that the transitions scrolling was noticeably slower than Acer. A coworker had the Xoom and took it back to BB within 4 hours. In his case, I think it was more Android related than the hardware itself. He walked out with the Ipad2.
Some of us don't have the time or maybe even the extra cash to make side-by-side comparisons. im just saying, in my opinion from what i read, It seems the others are more problematic than the Acer. Yes, the Acer has its own issues, but for the most part, I think our issues are more bareable than lets say, the Transformer dock not charging, or the Xoom Sd slot not recoginizing.
I almost took back my Acer to get the Transformer (being cheap to save$50). I am thankful I didn't.
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I can't say exactly. Im just gathering my info from lurking in the other forums. Honeycomb on 10" tablets to compare within the forums.
I have only had my Acer. I played with the Transformer in Frys but my thought was that the transitions scrolling was noticeably slower than Acer. A coworker had the Xoom and took it back to BB within 4 hours. In his case, I think it was more Android related than the hardware itself. He walked out with the Ipad2.
Some of us don't have the time or maybe even the extra cash to make side-by-side comparisons. im just saying, in my opinion from what i read, It seems the others are more problematic than the Acer. Yes, the Acer has its own issues, but for the most part, I think our issues are more bareable than lets say, the Transformer dock not charging, or the Xoom Sd slot not recoginizing.
I almost took back my Acer to get the Transformer (being cheap to save$50). I am thankful I didn't.
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I understand where you’re coming from and I do think the Acer is great too but these threads tend to be a little one sided (it is in the Acer forum afterall ). While I’m not accusing you of doing this many people in threads like this are just simply trying to justify their purchases. When I purchased my Gtablet a few weeks ago I was trying to convince myself upgrading to anything else would be a waste of money, I did the same when I purchased the Acer (I still feel as if they’re great in their price range). I don’t have lots of excess cash either but I was fortunate enough to play with the Gtablet, Acer and Xoom side by side for several days. I too watched all the forums closely and saw the dev frustration with the Acer and one who returned his after bricking it. In the end I chose the Xoom and decided the $150.00 premium was worth it for these reasons:
1) Working recovery. If you brick the Acer right now you have no way to return to US factory stock without sending it to Acer.
2) Dev support, while this may have to do with time in the market place the Xoom forum offered more possibilities right now, I realize this may change.
3) Accessories. This may seem trivial but it was important to me. Googling the word “Xoom” brought back a myriad of custom accessories like docks, car chargers and multiple cases.
4) Proven manufacturer support. When the Moto got 3.1 on launch that showed me that both Google and Moto were committed to keeping this product up to date. The jury is still out on what Acer is going to do beyond 3.1. I’m certain the Xoom will live on (well atleast for 18 months ).
5) The screen, don’t get me wrong, the Xoom screen isn’t stellar but the grid lines on the Acer drove me nuts, damn OCD!!
There are a few things I miss about the Acer, fully functional USB support being one of them. After owning virtually all of these devices though I have come to the conclusion that the perfect tab doesn’t exist. I really thought I was going to keep the Acer long term but in end the end I chose otherwise. Don’t get me wrong, I still believe that the Acer has lots of potential and will be a tough tab to beat once/if the source is released and we get a working recovery. I may be back if they do.
One more thing, the Xoom issues I mostly experienced were and are honeycomb issues. Running a customer kernel makes the xoom an absolute monster (IMO). You’ll read about more problems simply because more people have it and it’s been rooted and torn apart which opens the door to other stuff….
points well taken.
You wanted something more and paid the premium. I couldn't pay that much more as I would not want to root mine. I was in the market for a glorified Internet tablet and this is good enough. I too had the G-Tablet and sold it the next day.
Bottom line, Xoom works great for you, Acer works great for me.
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Bottom line, Xoom works great for you, Acer works great for me.
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Couldn't have said it better my self
having just looked at all 3, watching quite a few reviews, and lurking the same 3 forums for the past week, i finally bought one of them.
the transformer.
reasoning is, i've seen less complaints from them, the complaints that are there in general are more niggles about little things. also, it seems that asus' support is more involved in getting things updated. they've already received 4+ OTAs to update software, fix bugs, and remedy general problems.
granted, it does have its share of problems, but i spoke with my money, and bought the one that i felt was the best all around and grabbed the asus.
own the Acer and the transformer. Am on the second transformer and both suffer build quality issues.
Light bleed is noticeable when viewiong in the dark even at lowest brightness settigns. Also there is some flex or creak in the case.
The quality of the screen however is much richer.
The annoying alignment grid pattern of the pixels on the iconia bothers me because I usually view with it about 1 foot away and for them to not be noticeable to my eye s I need to hold the tablet more like 18 inches away.
Transformer is warmer and sharper without the grid appearance even at 6 inches away. Also off axis viewing is nicer on the transformer and I love the dock concept for extra battery life and more productivity etc while giving the adde dports for when I need them.
My Acer has been solid with only software glitches and 1 tiny dust spec under the screen but seems built more solid.
It ios thicker and heavier though and battery life is apparently a bit shorter but have not made a comparison myself.
Decisions decisions.....if i had no lightbleed hands down the transformer is better tablet for me but the iconia seems built better. I don't need a usb port on the tab if I have a keyboard dock. sure I i want access to an external HD on my tablet the usb port is ice, but chances are if I did I would want access to the dock anyway for the added battery life or the keyboard for creation work
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One more thing, the Xoom issues I mostly experienced were and are honeycomb issues. Running a customer kernel makes the xoom an absolute monster (IMO). You’ll read about more problems simply because more people have it and it’s been rooted and torn apart which opens the door to other stuff….
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My primary buying point isn't how customizable the tablet is (it's a factor sure, but a tiny one). No, the most important factor for me is the Out Of the Box experience. I still haven't made my choice yet, but I've been into the store several times and spent time playing with each of the Xoom, Transformer, and Iconia, and so far for me, the Iconia has the better OOB experience.
From outset, it just does MORE than the other two can do and that's an important factor because 95% of people who buy a tablet will not be rooting it.
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My primary buying point isn't how customizable the tablet is (it's a factor sure, but a tiny one). No, the most important factor for me is the Out Of the Box experience. I still haven't made my choice yet, but I've been into the store several times and spent time playing with each of the Xoom, Transformer, and Iconia, and so far for me, the Iconia has the better OOB experience.
From outset, it just does MORE than the other two can do and that's an important factor because 95% of people who buy a tablet will not be rooting it.
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I'm not sure I agree with you about oob experience. The Acer and moto were pretty even in that regard, the grid lines were pretty bad IMO. Without tweaking though the edge goes to the iconia because of cost. 95% of the general public won't consider rooting but 95% of xda'rs will.
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Out of the box the asus was the best. It has dlna and cloud storage. It has built in remote desktop functionalityand it has the best office suite available.
For those that prefer produtivity the dock with keyboard is a definite plus.
I think of these three as a spectrum. Xoom is best built but screen is so so and it is most costly.
Iconia offers all the xoom does in a more affordable package. So i see no reason to get a xoom unless you want knowledge that google will always be supporting and updating its reference tablet.
Asus offers best value and modular configuratioon giving laptop ornetbook functionality. It has the nicest screen so far on a honeycomb tablet as well. Its only drawbackright now is lack of supply and some build quality issues which might be related.
Samsung sounds like it wants to be the ipad of android tablets. For those that dont carle about expansion it will be lightest and thinnest design. But it will carry xoom pricing for the wifi model.
For the masses it will likely be the most populari option as i suspect most tablet buyers want an ipad but dont want to be tied to apple and itunes and want flash in their browsers.
Greetings to you all.
I apologize if this is in the wrong section. I am having a heck of a time choosing between these two tablets.
Acer Iconia Pros:
Nice size
better front camera
Has a LED Flash
AFAIK a STOCK version of HC.
Has better sound ( Dolby )
REAL USB 2.0 port ( full size )
EASY TO FIND!!!!!
Cons:
Heard that Playing 1080p HD Video is horrible ( according to reviews that I have seen on youtube ) ( I consider 1080p to be be HD while 720p is more medium def )
Heard that it is not Gorilla Glass ( although I saw a thread that proved otherwise )
Heard that video recording and pics are "meh" at best.
Locked bootloader * Thanks to Lorimere for telling me about that *
and onto the Transformer:
Pros:
Slightly better battery life
IPS Panel Display
Dock that doubles as battery extender
Cons:
Aparently the Transformer has a LOT of issues. Sleep of Death, Non responsive screen, dock problems, massive light bleeding
So I was wondering what you guys would think? Give me your honest opinions ( as long as they are polite....I have no tolerance for rudeness )
I already have a Galaxy Tab 7 inch and a iPad 1 wifi 16GB.....so those who like to say "Get a ipad and be happy with it" Been there. LOL!!!!!
I have had both. And honestly you can't go wrong with either one.
I decided to keep the Acer for 2 reasons.
1) the USB host on the tablet. (after using both, I realized I really didn't need the dock, so the Iconia won here) ** just to add I use the USB port a lot, so for me tablet without it now is a no-go **
2) The build quality on the Iconia was better than on my Transformer.
If I was going to use and carry the dock a lot, the transformer would be better. But In the 2 weeks of having them both, I only felt the need for a real keyboard once. And plugging in a usb keyboard for that hour i needed it worked great.
The Transformer screen is nicer though (mine only had a very small amount of light bleed.). The Acer screen is not bad by any means, but the transformers colors were better. (but after selling my transformer I don't really miss its screen honestly.)
The only thing that keeps me from 100% recommending the Iconia is the locked bootloader. I think it will be cracked or unlocked eventualy. But the fact is as of now it is still locked.
Hmm.....did not know about the locked bootloader. Good to know. Thank You.
I have had two acer iconias. Now I have the asus transformer. And I love it very much. The asus screen is better and this tablet preforms better. The acer constantly woke up on it's on. And if left in stand by for long periods of time the screen would become unresponsive. The only way to fix this problem was to do a hard reset.
Both tablets are very good, but the asus just wins in every category except sound. Not to mention it has great software. Mycloud, Mynet, and slashtop are all exclusive to asus. And the support for acer is lacking. Asus on the other hand has issued four updates each with detailed change logs. And asus will released Honeycomb 3.1 tomorrow 5/31.
So don't believed the bad news about asus transformer all the bugs have been rectified in a timely manner. I have only had my transformer for a week and I have not experienced one problem, besides minor light bleeding. I also have the asus dock and functionality is remarkable. Two usb ports and sd card slot, and a touch pad, with a extra battery. I'm completely satisfied
I had 2 Transformers and returned them both because of excessive light bleed and a gap in the bezel on the upper left hand side which would allow dust behind the screen.
That said, if they have fixed these build quality issues and weight vs connectivity is not an issue for you then the Transformer is the better tablet, certainly in the screen department.
If weight vs connectivity is an issue for you then the Acer is a better tablet, simply because to get similar on the move connectivity as the Acer, the Transformer has to be carried with the optional keyboard dock which essentially turns it into a netbook, and doubles the weight to a hefty 1.4kg vs the Iconia 765g.
As for software glitches and random screen ons, not really an issue for me. Honeycomb is still pretty much a work in progress, and in it's current state it does everything I need it to, and therefore for me it will only get better as Acer release updates.
If you do go for the Transformer then load up a black jpeg, go into a darkened room and whack the brightness up to full to check for light bleed, because for me that was a deal breaker. A simply stunning IPS screen like that hampered by shoddy build quality just wasn't acceptable.
If you want to know what I mean, this is the level of bleed I got on both my Transformers, though not forgetting that they may well have sorted out their manufacturing issues for later batches.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80pSCclf9Eg
At first I wondered about the $50 difference in the two. After playing with the Asus at Bestbuy and reading reports I think build quality is one major reason the Acer is so much more. It's well worth it in my opinion, although the locked boot loader for me is a big regret(I'm a big FOSS advocate)
I really agree with Lorimere. The USB port is really useful for me. And the USB port can be use for keyboard and mouse, too!
Actually I really wanted to try Transformer. But ASUS reps in my country (Indonesia) were really don't know when the tablet will go on sale. ASUS really need to fix this. Some are selling it through forums, but it's way too expensive. 16 GB Transformer worth the same as 32 GB Iconia!
I just got update from @acerID (ACER Indonesia twitter reps account), that lots of Iconia accessories will start coming in right away. Yaayy, finally!
As most posts above have stated, the biggest differences are:
USB Host: Acer (built-in) vs. ASUS (on dock)
Display: ASUS generally better than Acer's (unless you get a unit with light bleed)
Build quality: Acer generally feels better made than ASUS
Bootloader: ASUS has an unlocked bootloader vs. Acer's locked
For me the biggest thing in this list is the onboard USB host. Being able to plug in a USB drive without having to carry around essentially 1/2 of a netbook to dock the unit into is a major win for the Acer.
The display issue is really pretty minor I think, unless you want to set your tablet up on a desk and watch a movie while moving around, in which case the ASUS' ISP display will be better with less viewing angle restrictions.
Other items to consider:
ASUS ships with Exchange support, although that's been added in the latest firmware update to Acer's tab; in addition, rooted Acers are able to use the ASUS apk, and some Market Apps (Touchdown is my favorite right now, particularly with the $7.99 pro license from Amazon appstore vs. $19.99 normally)
Update frequency: ASUS has apparently been pushing updates out more frequently
ASUS is more likely to get 3.1 update out first, although Acer's also said they'll be shipping it in June (test of ASUS' 3.1 has already been spotted)
Acer has better sound system (Dolby Mobile)
Final thoughts:
The issue w/ the Acer screen coming back on randomly appears to have been resolved in the latest firmware (mine hasn't turned itself back on since the .114 update).
ASUS in general appears a bit more committed to the Android platform than Acer (at least after the replacement of their prior CEO.)
Oh yeah, and you can BUY the Acer a lot more easily than the ASUS
The only reason the Asus has gotten more updates is because it had way more bugs than the Acer initially....
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The only reason the Asus has gotten more updates is because it had way more bugs than the Acer initially....
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Sorry, but that is just FUD!
There are plenty of reasons to pick an Acer over an Asus, and vice-versa, but this frankly isn't true.
Regards,
Dave
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The only reason the Asus has gotten more updates is because it had way more bugs than the Acer initially....
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A Very Big +1
Don't need updates every week for something that isn't broke.
I have had generic tablets. Viewsonic G.tablet. Xoom. And tried the transformer of a friend(he later returned it for Acer). I am very happy, with my A500 as is my friend. Sure there are a couple bugs here and there...but for 98% of the time I use my tablet...it just works. I pick it up and it almost seems eager to do all I want it too.
As for what to pick...want a tablet...get the Acer....want a net book with identity crisis...get the Asus. Or sit on the fence...a few months down the road...bigger names will enter the game and may have a more current version of honeycomb or ice cream sandwich or whatever google finds in their cafateria that sounds tasty :-D
Hi,
i have hesitate for a long time between transformer and a500. And now, don't know why so long hesitating, because a500 is far more efficient than the transformer.
My unique "regret" is the non avaibility of the 16Gb version wich is at the same price than the 16gb transformer.
Transformer is the tablet who makes you dream when you have to buy : ips is the best, the dock is nice idea, water theme is fun... But in reality, i can't find one to buy where i live. An more, if i want usb, have to buy the heavy dock (big major issue). The IPS is really nice... IF it's perfect as ipad... and it's not ! because quality built of transformer is not as good as it seems to be. Asus is active about their transformer (updates), because they are in late, it's seems have been built in emergency at many points, to solve now.
Acer is far more efficient. no hard (and loose time) developpment for any dock to fixed to the tablet, used spva screen which is really availlable (all ips are used by ipad), full simple connectivity, don't loose time on thick (like samsung), don't loose time on weight (few grams more and so ?), and maybe some less quality "electronics" (wifi, gps ?). But the tablet is really available, even here in martinique (it's a sign^^), and it really works well in my hand, it's a fact, it's not a dream, it's a fact.
For the updates activities : asus want to do well and have to work hard to be really good if they want to follow acer tab a500 who already sell their tablet in mass. Acer seems more confiant in their product, take time for update and 3.1.
at this time i have NO reasons to wait transformer, and for sure if acer know that, asus know that too
What akwaba972 said is exactly how I felt. I'm no longer thinking of Transformer right now. It's sweet, but if you can only dream of it, forget it!
Which way do I go!!!
I too am torn between the Transformer and the A500. I do not have either one of them but first leaned to the Transformer because of it low price. But one could not get it anywhere around. Since then I have been reading and now lean toward the A500 because of the USB ports. I may be a few bucks more but seem like a better build.
Thanks!!
Well it appears that fate has smiled upon me. I just got $400CDN from a friend of mine that I forgot owed me money! I have then decided to get BOTH....for now.
The Acer Iconia will be purchased when I can get up to Owen Sound Staples or will be ordered from NCIX.
The ASUS Transformer has been already ordered from NCIX and has been shipped already ( 16GB Variant ) and depending on the quality and on how I like it then and only then will I purchase the dock.
I will continue this thread to help other people out and see how these two tablets fare. If I decide to keep them both then I will sell my iPad as I will have no use for it. ( Wifi 16GB 1st Gen )
bear in mind, the asus transformer is getting a 3.1 update today, so it's safe to assume ASUS is argubly more dedicate to the firmware support than Acer. and no one seems to mention in this post the dock gives extra 6-7 battery hours plus TWO usb ports, this is crucial to me as I normally want to plug in both of my western digital passport and a mouse...(and now you can even use two xbox360 controllers!)
The 3.1 update will be the absolute FIRST thing that I will do with both devices as I get them.
I feel like a kid with a new toy...come on Purolator where ARE YOU!!!! LOL!!!
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bear in mind, the asus transformer is getting a 3.1 update today, so it's safe to assume ASUS is argubly more dedicate to the firmware support than Acer. and no one seems to mention in this post the dock gives extra 6-7 battery hours plus TWO usb ports, this is crucial to me as I normally want to plug in both of my western digital passport and a mouse...(and now you can even use two xbox360 controllers!)
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I make a cruise ship in april, and many people on it have an ipad or ebook reader.
It's at this time my wife tell me she will like to have one, and me looking for the best tablet (except the locked ipad).
If i take the example of this ship cruise, i can easily imagine somebody give me his usb key to quickly share immediatly some pics or songs on my a500 who is in the bag with the towel. Easily reload the tablet at night (8 hrs nice enough for a day).
With the transformer, first, i have to carry the dock in luggage , but still ok for now. AFTER, when l'm on the pool deck and someone give me an usb key... have to go to my room, get the dock, back, connect for finally have the usb accessibility. I cannot have the dock already at pool, because it take more place, very more weight and finally may be you do not use it at all.
Of course, it's not a dramatic issue, it's just a real example of use among many others. acer in my example is an all in one simple device.
but i agree that in your case, the dock may be fine.
I wanted the Transformer for a long time i bought the Iconia last week since i wanted a tablet for a week long work trip, i love it, with the full size USB i can mount my NTFS 1TB drive and watch my 12GB 1080p videos, you cant do that with any other tablet.
Transformers only pro to me is the dock... but go look at logitechs new bluetooth keyboard that is also a stand...
Well I got my TF....still waiting on the Acer.
Time will tell........
Hello, TF'ers. I'am asking a simple question for those who love their Transformers but for some reason is lusting after one of the other tablet's. Please list the tablet you wish you could have and why.
Thanks.
I have my TF101 and I'm happily satisfied with my purchase.
I love this thing. Nothing else comes close.
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Love mt TF but I always wonder if I would love the Acer Iconia A500 better.
I have had every tablet out, and the iconia was ok, the screen is not as good as the TF, but at least the browser does not crash as much, no lag while trying to type, and the usb...
I am looking at the thrive... if I know what kinda of glass it will have I would order one.
More than happy with my TF'er. Tried the Zoom, tried the Ipad2 but neither come close. I'm mildly interested in the GT 10.2 to see what the fuss is about but the lack of SD card immediately puts a dampener on it.
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I have had every tablet out, and the iconia was ok, the screen is not as good as the TF, but at least the browser does not crash as much, no lag while trying to type, and the usb...
I am looking at the thrive... if I know what kinda of glass it will have I would order one.
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I have 0 lag and havent had the browser crash once. I have 2 usb's slots and both SD and MiniSD card slots. I use a wireless mouse and BT headset nd get over 24 hours of battery life on hard use. Hwat else could you ask for?
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As a launch-day Pre purchaser who converted to Android in January of this year, I have to admit that I'm intrigued by the TouchPad. webOS really is SOOOO much better in terms of multitasking that I'd love to have it on a tablet.
However, there are three things that temper this notion. First, webOS does not and likely will not have the apps that I need for quite some time. The TouchPad won't even have Office document editing out the door, which is simply ridiculous. I can't believe that Samsung can completely redesign their tablet and release it in a few months, while HP can't get a single freaking app written that's absolutely vital to their product's success. Really, webOS made me promise myself never to buy something for a feature that's "coming soon."
Second, until a tablet has a keyboard dock as functional as the Transformer's, I'd have a hard time switching over. There's simply no better device for straight writing (i.e., just laying words down on the page) on the go. If HP releases a similar hybrid device someday, I'll think about it (assuming the apps are there), but Transformer is just a great all-around mobile device.
Third, while webOS is a nice OS in many ways, I'm disappointed that HP didn't design it to make better use of a tablet's screen size. Ultimately, webOS 3.X is just a blown-up version of the smartphone OS, with the same number of cards showing, only bigger. They could have done so much more with it. I really like how Honeycomb's screens can provide so much useful information at a glance. I often just turn my TF on, check to see if I have any emails, upcoming appointments, what the weather's like, etc., etc., and then just turn it back off. It's like a dashboard for my life, and so far no other tablet OS comes close in this respect.
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...........It's like a dashboard for my life.........
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Thats how I would describe it to the "T". You should sent that to Asus for branding...lmao
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Love my Transformer... But wish I have an iPad only due to the vast number of case options available. However I'm looking forward to receiving my multi-angle rooCase.
I don't undestand why you would want any other tablet (at least any other android tablet)
The TF offers everything all the other android tablets offer PLUS MORE... Anything else would just be a downgrade.
the only thing I'm lusting for currently is a fully functional Netflix app. I really love to watch movies quietly at night and currently have to switch over to my Nook Color to do this. TF is awesome, working Netflix would make it total perfection for my needs.
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Love mt TF but I always wonder if I would love the Acer Iconia A500 better.
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The Transformer is better than the iconia. I had one, the screen on it sucks and it weighs a lot more. The only things it has over the transformer are the aluminum body (I actually prefer the transformer's body but most like aluminum that I've talked to) and the speakers have more bass. IMO the transformer wins hands down.
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I have 0 lag and havent had the browser crash once.
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ClevelandWheeler said:
get over 24 hours of battery life on hard use. Hwat else could you ask for?
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I wish it had normal browser like Chrome with extensions and such. I wish it had mouse hover capabilities.
I have a XFormer, but would love a Xoom, but only to see the benefit of Internal 3G.
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Yep the grass always seems greener on the other side. I'm lucky enough to be able to try them all out. I've got the Asus Iconia, the Transformer, and iPad 2 already, and the Galaxy 10.2 is in the mail. Starting to get a better profile of how I use them. Want to copy your camera photos to the tablet? Something with an SD slot will make you happier. Have movies on an external USB hard drive? Having a standard USB port will make you giddy if you want a movie off that drive to watch on your tablet. These emotional highs are momentary moments though, and 99% of the time I'm just playing games, reading email, checking the web, facebook, youtube. Every tablet does these fine, and during that time I appreciate the lighter ones. They all have a way to add a keyboard to them. Bluetooth is easy, especially once you've paired a keyboard. Apple and Samsung have $69 keyboard docks for their thin tablet dock ports. You pay more to get the Transformer's keyboard dock, but you get a far better integrated and multi-functional add-on for your money. Hooking up to these is an inconvenience of varying degrees. You are not likely to have the iPad or Galaxy keyboard docks with you when you leave the house, so they suck. Good bluetooth keyboards are always wider than these tablets are, and as such less likely to fit in the same case with your tablet. If you've got a case for your Transformer, it is likely for netbooks and will hold both the tablet and keyboard together. So if you prefer a physical keyboard to an onscreen one, the Transformer is clearly the standout choice. You have to weigh that importance though, as that keyboard dock doubles the total weight you'll be carrying.
I've been working on a showdown between these tablets for my blog. Easy enough to ding this one and promote another for a slot or port or not. Not sure the small time these features come into play will aggravate a user enough to choose ports over weight/looks though. Money obviously play a role, as the difference between the Asus and a full set of features with its dock and an iPad with all the same features via add-ons is huge. It help that the Asus starts out $100 under the iPad. Samsung is certainly brave going head-on with Apple, I'll give them that. They must be thinking that iPad buyers didn't mind no MicroSD or USB ports, and millions were sold, so microSD and USB ports don't really matter. They might be right. Time will tell if they sell more Android Honeycomb tablets than Asus. I can't see them ever catching up to iPad sales though, with nothing to add value to iPad prices. Pay that much and you might as well get an iPad. JMHO.
I am a very happy Transformer owner, everything else (at the moment) on the market, even the ipad 2, would be downgrading.
I love my ASUS transformer too.
However, if I had to pick another table between xoom or samsung galaxy v2 10.1 or iPad.
I would get the Samsung Galaxy 10.1, I checked it out at Best Buy yesterday and it was pretty nice. No lag at all either and it was very responsive.
Sometimes my transformer feels unresponsive, and it lags but it could be due to my tons of widgets on the home screen.
However if Samsung did have a keyboard dock like transformer, I would hop on it however I heard their updates were lacking and slow to be released.
Though I like how its lighter, thinner the transformer, and looks a bit nicer. Also I enjoyed the PLS screen as it also had more VIBRANT colors then the transformer.
I've been looking on the TF101 forums before I make my final decision as to which tablet I want, so far I'm riding on the Asus wagon. I do see all of these threads about how the Transformer has many issues, and how it's near impossible to get a unit without light bleed, creaking bezel, dead pixel(s), dust problems, random reboots, speaker balance problems, etc... I'm afraid that I may get a unit with one of those problems listed above... Also, I really only want a tablet for gaming, web browsing, multimedia, and social networking... I have no use for the keyboard dock whatsoever, is this the tablet of choice?
my tab isn't perfect... some light bleed and random rebooted when wifi is on during sleep. Despite that I absolutely love my tablet and have zero regrets. Just get one.
My unit has zero problems and is not one of the fabled "new skus" either.
With that said, Honeycomb is still really lagging behind iOS in Gaming apps. It's about priorities man.
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I am on my 5th unit, all of them had really bad quality issues ranging from black stripe across the screnn to no volume, no HDMI out, massive light bleed, completely unresponsive screen etc. Today I got the 5th replacement, guess what light bleed and no wi - fi, cannot connect to my home network, so tomorrow when BB open this one is going back. But I am still coming back to this tablet again and again because if it was built perfect it is the best tablet in the world. Unfortunatelly Asus blew it. I am still searching for the perfect one. (actually the working one)
Mine is pretty alright. Almost no light leak, but has one dead pixel (or a dust particle under the screen) on the lower left quadrant, not very noticeable, so I don't care.
Even though you see many complaints here, you have to understand that people mostly come here when there are problems; since asus is shipping 400,000 units a month, I’m pretty sure there are thousands more out there who are happy with their tablet.
there are always problems if you are picky enough, i think mine is good enough for me, there are a little bleeding on the bottom but you can hard tell, and also some other minor issues that won't bother me that much. i would say go to a store and try it out first see if you like it.
The only problem I have with mine is the unbalanced speakers, which really is a minor problem. I'm very happy with it, it has completely replaced my netbook. It's great as a tablet and when needed, the keyboards dock makes it a breeze to type on.
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I've been looking on the TF101 forums before I make my final decision as to which tablet I want, so far I'm riding on the Asus wagon. I do see all of these threads about how the Transformer has many issues, and how it's near impossible to get a unit without light bleed, creaking bezel, dead pixel(s), dust problems, random reboots, speaker balance problems, etc... I'm afraid that I may get a unit with one of those problems listed above... Also, I really only want a tablet for gaming, web browsing, multimedia, and social networking... I have no use for the keyboard dock whatsoever, is this the tablet of choice?
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I wouldn't recommend a android tablet for gaming, if you want a tablet for gaming buy a ipad 2 instead
iOS has way more high quality games and more game that are optimized for a tablet
I have some issues with backlight bleeding
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I've been looking on the TF101 forums before I make my final decision as to which tablet I want, so far I'm riding on the Asus wagon. I do see all of these threads about how the Transformer has many issues, and how it's near impossible to get a unit without light bleed, creaking bezel, dead pixel(s), dust problems, random reboots, speaker balance problems, etc... I'm afraid that I may get a unit with one of those problems listed above... Also, I really only want a tablet for gaming, web browsing, multimedia, and social networking... I have no use for the keyboard dock whatsoever, is this the tablet of choice?
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I have none of these problems, I love my (B05) Transformer, it's a really great Tablet/Netbook.
I think people read stuff on the internet and then go off and find problems they would have otherwise never noticed. I haven't gone searching for light bleed, or speaker inbalance, but I have never noticed it.
Theres no one tablet that doesnt have problems,my dad bought a motorola xoom and has taken it back twice and its like 700 bucks,I'm very happy with my transformer,just remember,it doesnt matter what you buy,there almost always will be something wrong somewhere.
The ASUS Transformer is worth every penny at an affordable price. Everyone I know whose seen my tablet commented on how affordable and nice the Transformer is.
My only wish is, I hope SAMOLED IPS screens will be released some time in the near future. Then, I would be completely satisfied. ↖(^▽^)↗
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I've been looking on the TF101 forums before I make my final decision as to which tablet I want, so far I'm riding on the Asus wagon. I do see all of these threads about how the Transformer has many issues, and how it's near impossible to get a unit without light bleed, creaking bezel, dead pixel(s), dust problems, random reboots, speaker balance problems, etc... I'm afraid that I may get a unit with one of those problems listed above... Also, I really only want a tablet for gaming, web browsing, multimedia, and social networking... I have no use for the keyboard dock whatsoever, is this the tablet of choice?
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Self selection bias. You have to keep in mind that most of the people who frequent these forums are here because they want something, even if that is resolving a problem or just an ear to complain to. The thousands upon thousands that are perfectly happy with their tablets arent on forums complaining about light bleed, etc.
I've had my transformer for a couple weeks now, and I absolutely love it. I can't wait to start rooting it and really putting it through its paces.
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I actually own both the TF and an ipad 1. We are a family of 5 and the ipad was often unavailable so I looked into getting a second tablet. I was considering the ipad 2 but then I decided to go with android.
The ipad is great and there are lots of apps, however the honeycomb tablets are coming along nicely as well. Here are my comparisons...of course ipad is getting an update that will address some of this but then again android will be getting ice cream sandwich as well. So this comparison is for the devices as they are today.
1. We like to take our videos with us on the road.
With ipad I have to transcode everything to mp4...and even then itunes will tell me the ipad can't play them sometimes (even though if I transfer the files with a 3rd party app they work just fine).
With android rockplayer allows me to play 720p .mkv files, etc and no need to transcode. Just copy over and it works. The widescreen video looks alot nicer on the TF as well instead of letterboxed on the ipad.
Also since we have microSD, we can bring alot more video with us for long trips.
2. Easy access to network shares:
-piece of cake on the TF
-pain in the *** on ipad.
3. The tabbed chrome-like browsing experience and integration of google apps is a big advantage on the android platform. Browsing is 80% of what I do on a tablet.
4. Integrated hdmi and usb support on android is definitely a plus.
5. The non-3G ipads have no GPS and no support for bluetooth GPS.
6. Fully customized home screens with widgets on android.
7. Notifications are really well implemented on android. Ipad can't get an update (to copy androids system) soon enough to replace the inexplicably silly notification system they have now.
8. The 32GB ASUS + 32GB sd is much cheaper than the equivalent ipad 2 wifi 64GB.
($720 vs $520)...and that ipad will have no GPS.
9. Splashtop HD has a much higher refresh on the TF vs my ipad...but I assume that would be addressed in the ipad 2.
10. ITUNES...did I mention how much I hate itunes?
APPS go to the ipad though...however USEFUL apps is a much closer race IMO (though still to the ipad).
I did have to return 2 ASUS TFs thanks to light bleed, but my current model has no problems at all.
Bottom line: If I am going to pick up a device to do some reading/browsing/email/calendar...or even to edit some docs on my desktop with the native polaris or with remote desktop...I will pick up the TF every time. My son also prefers dungeon defenders on the TF...but I assume the ipad 2 would have better performance compared to my ipad 1 on this app.
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I actually own both the TF and an ipad 1. We are a family of 5 and the ipad was often unavailable so I looked into getting a second tablet. I was considering the ipad 2 but then I decided to go with android.
The ipad is great and there are lots of apps, however the honeycomb tablets are coming along nicely as well. Here are my comparisons...of course ipad is getting an update that will address some of this but then again android will be getting ice cream sandwich as well. So this comparison is for the devices as they are today.
1. We like to take our videos with us on the road.
With ipad I have to transcode everything to mp4...and even then itunes will tell me the ipad can't play them sometimes (even though if I transfer the files with a 3rd party app they work just fine).
With android rockplayer allows me to play 720p .mkv files, etc and no need to transcode. Just copy over and it works. The widescreen video looks alot nicer on the TF as well instead of letterboxed on the ipad.
Also since we have microSD, we can bring alot more video with us for long trips.
2. Easy access to network shares:
-piece of cake on the TF
-pain in the *** on ipad.
3. The tabbed chrome-like browsing experience and integration of google apps is a big advantage on the android platform. Browsing is 80% of what I do on a tablet.
4. Integrated hdmi and usb support on android is definitely a plus.
5. The non-3G ipads have no GPS and no support for bluetooth GPS.
6. Fully customized home screens with widgets on android.
7. Notifications are really well implemented on android. Ipad can't get an update (to copy androids system) soon enough to replace the inexplicably silly notification system they have now.
8. The 32GB ASUS + 32GB sd is much cheaper than the equivalent ipad 2 wifi 64GB.
($720 vs $520)...and that ipad will have no GPS.
9. Splashtop HD has a much higher refresh on the TF vs my ipad...but I assume that would be addressed in the ipad 2.
10. ITUNES...did I mention how much I hate itunes?
APPS go to the ipad though...however USEFUL apps is a much closer race IMO (though still to the ipad).
I did have to return 2 ASUS TFs thanks to light bleed, but my current model has no problems at all.
Bottom line: If I am going to pick up a device to do some reading/browsing/email/calendar...or even to edit some docs on my desktop with the native polaris or with remote desktop...I will pick up the TF every time. My son also prefers dungeon defenders on the TF...but I assume the ipad 2 would have better performance compared to my ipad 1 on this app.
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there are always problems if you are picky enough, i think mine is good enough for me, there are a little bleeding on the bottom but you can hard tell, and also some other minor issues that won't bother me that much. i would say go to a store and try it out first see if you like it.
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i second this. most happy people don't post to this thread.
I love my Transformer and everyone whos played with it wants one even after I point out a couple problems. It has some light bleed (as does the ipad2) and when stock had an unbalanced left speak which a custom rom seemed to fix.
I've got no issues with light bleed, wifi works, bluetooth works, case is not that creaky, if at all. Only minor imbalance in speakers, but I bought a portable external speaker so thats not an issue anymore. This is my second tablet. I'm very much enjoying it.
Don't the custom roms correct the speaker imbalance? I guess so...
Edit: Didn't read Leonpr's post before I posted this. hehe.
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Don't the custom roms correct the speaker imbalance? I guess so...
Edit: Didn't read Leonpr's post before I posted this. hehe.
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the latest OTA update fixed this also ... according to my hearing, it's now balanced.
I am debating on which to buy. I've been wanting a tablet for awhile now and have slimmed it down to these two options, but would like some feed back if possible.
I'm looking for s-off and root (quickly glancing at the forums, it looks like both are able to achieve this. I like to toy and tinker with things and having a root, with s-off, is a must for this.
Are there any huge differences between the two? I am liking the additional dock available for the Transformer.
Going to post this in the Transformer forum as well. Iconia people, win me over!
The major differences are that the Transformer has that keyboard dock and a slightly better screen, while the Iconia has built-in USB host and slightly better sound.
I personally greatly prefer having the USB host port built into the device rather than in a bulky dock.
ASUS also appears to be doing a slightly better job of providing software updates than is Acer.
I'll be ordering an Iconia on Friday. I have seen both in the flesh and normal use as at work there's 1 guy with an Iconia and 2 with Transformers. The Iconia seems solidly built and no slower than the Transformer on 3.1, and the screens are almost identical. Not to mention the built in USB.
On the other hand both Transformers have been replaced already, one with a strange screen issue that looked like a liquid under the glass when you touched the screen, and one because the case doesn't line up properly - it creaks noticeably if you hold it landscape fashion.
Also I've been buying Acer kit for years (3 laptops and a netbook so far) and the oldest is still going strong after 5 years, no build quality issues in any of the Acer kit i've bought contrary to popular belief, and they've lasted longer than some of the so called premium brands we use at work.
I have a500 and a Transformer so, I think I can answer to your question... If you want my 2 cents opinion, the a500 is way better. I think the screen is more responsive and more brighten. Plus the transformer's screen get incredibly dirty very quickly. The usb thing has no comparison. Just, for example, I bought a cheap silicon keyboard and it works pretty well with the iconia. Same about the mouse. The transformer has just 2 advantages: 1) it's lighter 2) it has a way better microphone. About all the rest it is inferior or equal to the iconia.
If the mic, for you, is a must then buy a Transforemer. If it's not... then buy a a500.
Try both and decide for yourself. You will be happier.
Don't let others do your thinking for you.
If you can, definitely try both as bungaboy suggests, your own preferences may certainly steer you in a different path. In the end it could quite simply come down to something as off-the-cuff as the location of the front-facing camera.
In terms of companies, I currently have an Acer laptop (very happy with) and an Acer monitor (happy with), and have purchased and installed about 6 ASUS motherboards and video cards over time (only 1 less-than-stellar experience with those) so I'd happily recommend either company in general.
Just a quick reply before I go to work. I live in Japan. I don't have a Best Buy here. They have a Iconia A500 at the BX and I've played with it some, but can't compare to the Transformer.
I'll reply back later today when I have more time. Thanks for all the good input!
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Just a quick reply before I go to work. I live in Japan. I don't have a Best Buy here. They have a Iconia A500 at the BX and I've played with it some, but can't compare to the Transformer.
I'll reply back later today when I have more time. Thanks for all the good input!
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Alright. Thanks for all your replies everyone. I am and will decide for myself but since I cannot try out both I was reaching out to the community to give me their pro's and con's so I can weigh them for my own decision.
I'll have to go back to the BX later and play around with the Iconia some more. I didn't really play with the form factor, but what I really like from the Transformer is the keyboard/battery/etc dock. From my understanding it'll be future-compatible too.
why do you like the dock? will you carry with you all the time? if not, pointless. if you want a tab and a keyboard, wait a few more months till the asus eee slide comes out. i got an iconia, and as much as everyone at work bashes me for it, i can do much more than their ipad2
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why do you like the dock? will you carry with you all the time? if not, pointless. if you want a tab and a keyboard, wait a few more months till the asus eee slide comes out. i got an iconia, and as much as everyone at work bashes me for it, i can do much more than their ipad2
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I was going in with the idea of selling my laptop and leaving the dock at home and use while I'm there. And what is the eee slide? I was also looking at the ASUS W7 tablet they have.
Iconia is my preference... cause of USB port.
Is the Iconia capable of good tablet drawing?
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I have a500 and a Transformer so, I think I can answer to your question... If you want my 2 cents opinion, the a500 is way better. I think the screen is more responsive and more brighten. Plus the transformer's screen get incredibly dirty very quickly. The usb thing has no comparison. Just, for example, I bought a cheap silicon keyboard and it works pretty well with the iconia. Same about the mouse. The transformer has just 2 advantages: 1) it's lighter 2) it has a way better microphone. About all the rest it is inferior or equal to the iconia.
If the mic, for you, is a must then buy a Transforemer. If it's not... then buy a a500.
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lol, ignorance is bliss, eh? it is a well known fact that the Transformer screen is the second best android tablet screen on the market right now (after Gtab 10.1) while the Iconia screen is far behind.
OP, just go in store and compare the two side by side with the screen set at max brightness. You'll see the big difference especially when viewing from an angle. The Asus blows the Iconia away in this respect.
my 2 cents:
Asus Transformer
-way better screen (most important feature in a tablet, imho)
-a lot lighter then the Iconia (Iconia is the heaviest Android tablet)
-faster updates
-less freezes & runs smoother
-dock option
Acer Iconia
-USB port (the Transformer only has this on the dock)
-better built? allegedly. (my Asus is also very solid but the Iconia metal back feels stronger)
-better sound
-better camera (with flash)
For me it boils down to needing a USB port or not & to wanting the dock option or not.
If you don't need the USB port, then the Transformed is the obvious choice.
If you do (and don't want to spend the extra $150 for the dock) then go for the Acer.
Also if you really want a better screen and the dock option, again the obvious choice is the TF.
good luck & enjoy your new toy either or!
I just purchased the Iconia myself. But from forum postings of people who have bought both and checked them out, it seems people are generally more satisfied with the Transformer (apart from the people who got bleeding screens).
The guy above summed it up pretty well.
I bought both when the Staples coupon came out (Inconia from staples, TF from Office Depot), and kept them sealed in box for a couple of days while I did my research on which one I wanted to keep.
I spent a couple of hours over a few stores comparing and then read a bunch on forums, etc.
There is really no reasonable argument for Acer screen over the Asus. The TF is brighter and displays more colors, this is a fact, not opinion. I also thought things looked slightly sharper on the TF (perhaps it was due to the better contrast). I did not like the one port pulling all duties and its location (understandable as its for the keyboard as well). I have no intention of using a keyboard with any tab that use (I have laptops for that). The TF design appeals to me more, I like it's shape more.
I chose the Iconia over the TF due to the additional ports, better xda dev support and numerous reports of quality controls issues on the TF. Frankly, the last issue was the biggest factor in my decision.
The one complaint I have about the Iconia is the screen. It leaves MUCH to be desired. I'm not sure if it's a problem with the Iconia or with Android tablet screens in general, but you can easily see individual pixels on the screen if you hold the device closer than usual.
Text also is somewhat blurry, not sure if this is an issue with Android text rendering or with Iconia's screen.
Everything else is great though.
Hi, i'm planning to buy an iconia, but i've read on soms sites that the display can only display 265k colors while other devices have 16million.
Is this true? And if so, do you really recognise it if you compare it directly to another device?
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Yes Plestiuc, ignorance is a bliss... Even not being able to understand what's written is a bliss... and even attention lack is. If you re-read what I wrote, hoping you're able to focus on all the world and not just on random ones... you will notice I wrote: "If you want my 2 cents opinion". If you do not know the meaning of the word: "Opinion", I do suggest you to go back to elementary school.
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even tho the iconia is heavy keep in mind that all of the tablets are to heavy to comfortably hold with one hand for more than 5 min. soo I dont know how much the little wieght difference matters....
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Flussen said:
Hi, i'm planning to buy an iconia, but i've read on soms sites that the display can only display 265k colors while other devices have 16million.
Is this true? And if so, do you really recognise it if you compare it directly to another device?
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In all seriousness, you can't see it. I like the colors on both tablets, and the screen on the transformer is superb. But when I play a movie (the guy at the store let me try a video on the display transformer) I don't notice a difference. The black on the TF is a bit darker, and that's about it.
I didn't think that a built in USB was going to matter to me, but I am actually using it a TON. Thank you so much ACER!