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Hey!
As i've previously mentioned here once (I think), i started a small forum where I tried to gather all the setups for running Android on various HTC models. Now that the HTC G1 (Dream) is soon released, we will will get some very interesting challenges while trying to build Android ROM's, etc..
This forum is great, but its also very big. Thought that it might be a good idea to have our android resources on a separate forum?
Anyways, thought i could register a domain and such, but for now the forum is at http://www.connect-utb.com/htcandroid
Some of you are there already! Hopefully, with the experienced user base we have here, we can get Android ROMS and whatnot for our HTC models, as the HTC Dream looks rather poor. (Although better devices will surely come in the future).
you must be joking. Android is a total OS unlike apps that we see all over which are portable among HTC devices. It takes months alone just to get Android as it is today for the kaiser. Mostly everything for WM can be ported among other devices which some exceptions to nontouch devices. It'll be a long time until you see Android ported over to more devices than now. My suggestion would be to use a device that's got android projects already in progress or at your nearest convenience to buy a device with android on it.
Think we misunderstand each other, but you dont believe that if we can extract the android ROM from the HTC Dream, and modify and install it on lets say, the Kaiser?
You can always try before saying that it isn't going to work.
I will track this post because i'm very curious by the Android OS.
I get it...and completely understand what this is about...it's HTC...which means theoretically we should be able to at least somewhat get it working...I've started a wizard thread on your new forum in hopes that any information or progress getting it ported over gets posted all in one location for easy access....kudo's for thinking ahead as I dont think android is going anywhere soon and while this forum is very useful it's mostly for winmo devices....nothing wrong with speading the wings a lil bit and branching out...
looking forward to the press conference!!
I would say we should be able to get Android to run on the OS level of our devices, but it will probably need a bit of modifying. However, since it's open source I'm hoping the modifying will be a lot easier because of this.
Hey,
I was just on HTC homepage ( htc.com ), where the G1 is shown.
They printed the specs, which are very similar to the diamond
Same chipset, same rom size, same ram size,...
SO I think, it would be ( maybe easily?) possible to port android to the diamond
greets doena
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I will track this post because i'm very curious by the Android OS.
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Same here!
If my memory does not fail, I remember that one of the first peaks at Android was being run in a Blue Angel. So, I guess there is a big chance that we might in fact be able to see Android running on more than one device (of course, you will have more or less features depending on the device's capabilities and hardware limitations, namely apps that work with an accelerometer, etc).
Maybe, the development should be worth following because as much as I don't want to believe it, my device (Blue Angel) will only trick death for so long (by death I mean not being able to move to newer versions of WM) and we will need a way to pass the time .
HTC Touch Vogue in progress of being ported
Hey don't forget about the senior member "DZO" that started ANDROID porting to HTC Vogue and it is Successful
This is his direct link to the files : http://cs-alb-pc3.massey.ac.nz/vogue
And here is the link to the posting: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382265
I think he did a GREAT job porting Android. I am running Android 0.9 with most of the featuress except installing programs but only because he is the only one that does that. So, he needs help! I am sure... Plus, on this site people are cheeping in for HTC Diamond so he can work on that too...
Here is the link: http://www.myhtcphone.com
So, if you want something done we should start by contributing either money, or programming support! I wish I knew how to program this
ahhhh I wish I would have fully functional Android on my HTC
Thanks for the support! The forums are slightly active now!
Hopefully, we will be able to get Android running more or less flawless soon! As pointed out, its possible!
he he nice link, it seems that there are allready htc devices running with android.
just wondering, is it possible to have dual boot in one device ?
hmmm, seems to have no desktop syncing.. this may be a huge set back for anyone trying to get androig running on another HTC device.
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just wondering, is it possible to have dual boot in one device ?
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well currently (or in the case of the vogue) android is being booted via haret (a linux bootloaded) running on top of windows mobile.. so i guess its already kind of dual boot
For now, Android has to be run from within Windows Mobile, so no true dual boot yet
Already started
Hey you guys might want to check out the following links. Over at PPC Geeks they already have a thread going:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=23244
Also if you want to download the current Android cab for HTC go to:
http://www.myhtcphone.com/
doena said:
Hey,
I was just on HTC homepage ( htc.com ), where the G1 is shown.
They printed the specs, which are very similar to the diamond
Same chipset, same rom size, same ram size,...
SO I think, it would be ( maybe easily?) possible to port android to the diamond
greets doena
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Diamond doesnt have QWERTY keyboard, so i think it could be on Touch Pro instead
Someone ported Android for BlueAngel?
Please can someone tell me if Android is already running in BlueAngel? If there is a way show me how. Thanks Man!!!
Maybe I'm mistaken, but wasn't Android made so that it can run on a wide range of devices. I, for one, can't wait till its ported to samsung omnia. Damn, that would be good!
@Coldheat,
What does the cab file do? Its an OS, so cab file??
Hi all, I just got a new HTC HD2 from T-Mobile US and wanted to know if someone can point me in the right direction on how to install Android. I'm pretty familiar with Android since my first Smartphone was the HTC Dream/G1 (which I miss already) and the only reason I got this phone besides the specs was that I heard you can hack it to run Android. I have no clue about Windows Mobile phones since this is my first one (and I don't like it already LOL) but if I can get Android on here then maybe she's a keeper...any help will do, thanks in advance.
Sell your HD2 if you don't like WM. It'll be a while before Android is on it. Android is possible on the HD, if you want to get that phone.
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Sell your HD2 if you don't like WM. It'll be a while before Android is on it. Android is possible on the HD, if you want to get that phone.
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WOW! So Android hasn't been ported to the HD2 yet? Looks like I'm taking my phone back to T-Mobile and sticking with my trusty Dream until the next best thing comes out.
nice job on the research there buddy....
heres the android thread btw. very far from an android build.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=651632
may i advise you to at least try out wm first though. its actually not that bad, and i think that sense makes it look much nicer than android
you didnt look into this stuff before you went and got the phone? typical... "shot, then ask questions"
You're going to miss the speed of the hd2. I had an HTC Dream too.
You have 2 weeks to try it before you have to return it if you don't like it.
Hello everyone!
I'm new here, but have been lurking and scouring the forums for a while now. I'm not a dev or anything, so I'm a total noob when it comes to cooking up roms and such... although I've done pleanty of flashing on different devices. I'm treating myself to a new phone as a late birthday present, and the HD2 looks like the best offering at the moment (or anytime soon) from T-Mobile. I just don't want to be stuck with such awesome hardware, running an OS that will be mostly obselete in a few months.
I've read that MS will continue to support WM 6.5, but we all know their deal... it'll be an afterthought once WP7 is released. I would be fine with upgrading to WP7, but unfortunately the HD2 has two too many buttons to meet the HW requirements (according to MS at this point.)
The main thing that makes me believe porting Android would be more plausible, is the upcoming release of the EVO. The hardware is so similar, it's hard for me to believe that it's not possible. Once the EVO is released, could someone use the Android 2.1 image from it, and modify it to run on the HD2? Again, I'm not a programmer, so I'm probably completely wrong... but would love to be proven otherwise.
I'm just looking for some of you with more knowledge and experience to give me some technical insight before dropping $450 on a new phone that will be out-of-date and no longer supported (for the most part) in 6 months. I would also like to keep this thread on topic, so please don't bother slagging the HD2 and suggesting other devices.
Thanks!
and another thread pops up =(
search the forum there are literally tons of threads about this
TONS especially on android
for wp7 there is no news since march 28th announcement so that means nothing more to report than the initial issues had
this is also in the windows phone 7 forum
if you want the phone, get the phone. Winows mobile is a good and highly customizable operating systme on its own and I like it.
you won't regret getting this phone, I sold my nexus one for it, and I don't even miss N1 (simply because it is not the best android phone anymore, HD 2 the best winmo up to date).
I am also a noob, but I encourage myself very often. Now android can run on iphone, what else would stop those geniuses from creating such miracles on HD2. All I have to do is enjoying the phone from the minute I have it, and stick to the forum.
I wouldn't buy the HD2 purely on the speculation of an Android port. There's no certainty that it will ever happen, and if it does, who knows how long it will take.
There are ports for older HTC models and the iPhone, but you have to keep in mind that those handsets have been out for a while, and have had many months, if not years, of development behind them. The HD2 and the snapdragon processor are relatively new, and development is starting from the ground up. It may take up to a year or more before a functional android port is available, and by then, there will more than likely be better hand-sets out there.
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and another thread pops up =(
search the forum there are literally tons of threads about this
TONS especially on android
for wp7 there is no news since march 28th announcement so that means nothing more to report than the initial issues had
this is also in the windows phone 7 forum
if you want the phone, get the phone. Winows mobile is a good and highly customizable operating systme on its own and I like it.
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Thanks for the reply!
I've actually searched many times, and read tons of threads on this topic. The problem is, most of them are cluttered with TONS of vague info and flaming, with a tidbit of useful info here and there. I was hoping to open some discussion and spark some ideas or interest, maybe try and centralize the info.
Sorry for stepping on any toes, but this is the "T-Mobile USA HD2" general discussion forum, so I figured this would be the best place to start. I just searched the development forum and found a similar thread. I just didn't check there, as I was intending to discuss the possibility and such, not actual developing. Mods, if I'm out of line here, please move or lock this thread appropriately.
Thanks!
Edit- to the other posters, thanks for sharing experiences with me! I wasn't planning on buying the HD2 soley in hopes of porting Android, I guess I'm just looking for reassurance from folks that I'm not getting myself into a device that isn't worth the effort. I love modding my phones, but would rather not be stuck beating a dead horse in a few months. The feedback is greatly appreciated, and makes me feel much better about my decision.
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There are ports for older HTC models and the iPhone, but you have to keep in mind that those handsets have been out for a while, and have had many months, if not years, of development behind them. The HD2 and the snapdragon processor are relatively new, and development is starting from the ground up. It may take up to a year or more before a functional android port is available, and by then, there will more than likely be better hand-sets out there.
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this is true. android on the iphone only works on the iphone 2g as far as i can tell, and that phone is over 4 years old i believe. building linux kernels for a specific phone takes time, and most likely it'll take years to perfect. the ports out now for older winmo phones are useable but obviously not perfect.
i bought my hd2 mainly because it looks like pure sex to me. hehe. windows mobile didnt bother me at all since ive been using windows mobile phones since 2007. dont get me wrong, android is pretty good too. used that for about a year. each os has its own pros and cons i guess.
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to the other posters, thanks for sharing experiences with me! I wasn't planning on buying the HD2 soley in hopes of porting Android, I guess I'm just looking for reassurance from folks that I'm not getting myself into a device that isn't worth the effort. I love modding my phones, but would rather not be stuck beating a dead horse in a few months. The feedback is greatly appreciated, and makes me feel much better about my decision.
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you wont regret getting this phone. in my opinion htc did a good job with sense, making windows mobile user friendly and whatnot, but if you dont like sense, it can be easily disabled. also the stock rom to me works fine right now but there are a lot of other roms made for the hd2 already so its pretty customizable as is already.
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this is true. android on the iphone only works on the iphone 2g as far as i can tell, and that phone is over 4 years old i believe. building linux kernels for a specific phone takes time, and most likely it'll take years to perfect. the ports out now for older winmo phones are useable but obviously not perfect.
i bought my hd2 mainly because it looks like pure sex to me. hehe. windows mobile didnt bother me at all since ive been using windows mobile phones since 2007. dont get me wrong, android is pretty good too. used that for about a year. each os has its own pros and cons i guess.
you wont regret getting this phone. in my opinion htc did a good job with sense, making windows mobile user friendly and whatnot, but if you dont like sense, it can be easily disabled. also the stock rom to me works fine right now but there are a lot of other roms made for the hd2 already so its pretty customizable as is already.
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Cool, thanks for the info!
I usually try to keep from modding straight away, but after checking some roms in the development forum, I'm sure I'll start flashing sooner than later, hehe. The main thing I'm liking about the HD2 is it comes stock with the apps I'm most likely to use. I had a 2g iPhone a while back, but found I didn't use most of the apps I installed, and gave it up for a 3g device. Most of what I'm looking for is games/entertainment and themes, and I believe I've found what I'm looking for. If I'm not happy, I may try to cook up something of my own... there's certainly pleanty of resources here to get me started!
Again, I apologize for the redundant thread, but I appreciate all the feedback. This is exactly what I was looking for!
gilla409 said:
Hello everyone!
I'm new here, but have been lurking and scouring the forums for a while now. I'm not a dev or anything, so I'm a total noob when it comes to cooking up roms and such... although I've done pleanty of flashing on different devices. I'm treating myself to a new phone as a late birthday present, and the HD2 looks like the best offering at the moment (or anytime soon) from T-Mobile. I just don't want to be stuck with such awesome hardware, running an OS that will be mostly obselete in a few months.
I've read that MS will continue to support WM 6.5, but we all know their deal... it'll be an afterthought once WP7 is released. I would be fine with upgrading to WP7, but unfortunately the HD2 has two too many buttons to meet the HW requirements (according to MS at this point.)
The main thing that makes me believe porting Android would be more plausible, is the upcoming release of the EVO. The hardware is so similar, it's hard for me to believe that it's not possible. Once the EVO is released, could someone use the Android 2.1 image from it, and modify it to run on the HD2? Again, I'm not a programmer, so I'm probably completely wrong... but would love to be proven otherwise.
I'm just looking for some of you with more knowledge and experience to give me some technical insight before dropping $450 on a new phone that will be out-of-date and no longer supported (for the most part) in 6 months. I would also like to keep this thread on topic, so please don't bother slagging the HD2 and suggesting other devices.
Thanks!
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They have been working on porting linux and android to the HD2 for months now. It's not an easy process, as I have stated in the many threads that get started about this. The EVO rom cannot just be ported over. The N1 is just as close hardware wise... they actually used the N1 as a starting point for creating the linux kernel. The Evo may help a little with some drivers.
You have to understand... the kernel for the msm72xx devices (touchpro, TP2, kaiser, etc.) was started over 3 years ago... and they still don't have a fully-functional android port. There will be an android port eventually, but by time theres a fully functional port, there will be many nicer android phones out. Expect it to take a year or more for a fully-functional port, if it's ever FULLY-functional. Search the Rom section in the original Leo section for the official linux project thread.
Get the phone if you like WinMo 6.5. If not, wait for another phone. Trust me, there will be just as nice Android phones for tmobile in the next few months, and WinPhone 7 phones by the end of the year.
I do not understand how LG Optimus P920 3D Optimus, Optimus 2X, Optimus Mach LU3000, Black Optimus, Optimus Me P350, Revolution... working on OS Android , LG E900 Optimus7 can not, which is the difference and reason that can not be installed on Android optimus7
No one said it cannot be done. It can probably be done, seeing how all WP7 devices share similar hardware to the HTC Desire-derivative phones. However, the LG Optimus 7 is a Windows Phone, and ships with Windows Phone 7 as its operating system. That is the end of it. All the phones you mentioned from LG come with Android as its operating system. I suggest if you prefer Android to WP7, do not bother with LG Optimus 7.
PS: I tried to answer this as calmly as possibly without breaking my keyboard...
Ok kapanak I am not asked to crush keyboard than you actually did not ask anything, if I want Android and Android will buy, I just wondered if anyone could give me a explanation may which is the difference because I see that some LG phone using Android and I wondered why LG E900 Optimus 7 does not. ate different from the others and uses a different hardware. The LG E900 is the perfect Optimus 7 phone who currently use and we changed it from any other phone.
IMHO I think this is politic of LG and many companies. One phone is with Android other one with WP7. Everybody have a choice. I like Android, I use HTC Desire but bought LG Swift 7 (Optimus 7) to test WP7 and make compare betwen Android and WP7.
LG can assembly the same model of phone to Android and to WP7 but marketing is cruel. More phones will sell with Android neither WP7 (at this moment). And LG will do more phones with AND but there is possible to install WP7.
This is my point of view.
I love my Optimus 7 but it would be great if we had the option to dual boot between WP7 and Android. I wonder when someone finds out how to do it.
Currently there are only 2 phones available that can dual boot different OS's:
1. The Nokia N900 can run Maemo, Android and MeeGo.
2. The HTC HD2 can run WM6.5, Android, WP7 and MeeGo.
The only phone that offers 2 different OS's at the SAME time is the HD2 with WP7 or WP6.5 on Nand and Android on SD as secondary OS.
So if you want such stuff you should go for a HD2.
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No one said it cannot be done. It can probably be done, seeing how all WP7 devices share similar hardware to the HTC Desire-derivative phones. However, the LG Optimus 7 is a Windows Phone, and ships with Windows Phone 7 as its operating system. That is the end of it. All the phones you mentioned from LG come with Android as its operating system. I suggest if you prefer Android to WP7, do not bother with LG Optimus 7.
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Why does it have to be either/or? I would like the option to dual boot.
Im always surprised by how much flak this type of question gets on XDA, a forum for hardware hacking and independent software development... Why do i want to flash my phone with android? Because hardware hacking is FUN, and just to say I did it. Not because either android or WP7 is better. If the E900 was an android phone id be interested in flashing it to WP7...
What you fail to grasp is the sheer amount of work required to port Android for a phone that didn't support it in the first place. In the case of WM, it was easy, since XDA members hacked the life out of every one of those phones. There has to be someone willing to spend the time porting Android for this phone. But so far, no one is willing. Of you are up for the challenge, the perhaps you should begin your work, and I am sure once a person begins to show progress, other devs and hackers will follow.
Thanks for being condescending but i fully grasp the amount of work required. Im not asking why its not done, i was simply stating its pretty ridiculous how much people here crap on someone for asking. Do you honestly thing if anyone was actually working on it, this would be the place to show their work? I havent seen a single thread where someone proposed flashing different OS's to a WP7 handset that didnt involve at least one person saying "Dont bother". Its almost like WP7 handsets are sacred here and we shouldnt mess with them too much Strange, considering the idea behind this forum...
It may be due to the fact that for years, people here, and elsewhere, have been spending years customizing their phones OS to make it smoother, faster, more intuitive, and then suddenly, we have this new OS that, despite all its obvious and glaring shortcomings, fullfills that need for "speed", and makes the need for customizations and optimizations less than appealing. ( And iOS doesn't count, that's for a different crowd )
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The Problem is not the Hardware (the HD2 uses the same chipset only with lower ram and rom). The problem are the bootloaders. You have to write your own or costumize the original one to allow a 3rd party os. But if somebody know how to extract this files from a lg e900 it would be only a question about some weeks for the first nand android on a lg e900. Because the chipsetdrivers are (theoratically ^^) the same as the HD2 uses.
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The Problem is not the Hardware (the HD2 uses the same chipset only with lower ram and rom). The problem are the bootloaders. You have to write your own or costumize the original one to allow a 3rd party os. But if somebody know how to extract this files from a lg e900 it would be only a question about some weeks for the first nand android on a lg e900. Because the chipsetdrivers are (theoratically ^^) the same as the HD2 uses.
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Got to wait for MAGLDR on optimus 7 then ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfUBo6bzXZ0
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No one said it cannot be done. It can probably be done, seeing how all WP7 devices share similar hardware to the HTC Desire-derivative phones. However, the LG Optimus 7 is a Windows Phone, and ships with Windows Phone 7 as its operating system. That is the end of it. All the phones you mentioned from LG come with Android as its operating system. I suggest if you prefer Android to WP7, do not bother with LG Optimus 7.
PS: I tried to answer this as calmly as possibly without breaking my keyboard...
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i read this post and said lolwut, but yea, it would be great if this phone could get an android port, it does have good potential.
Running WP7: Mango Beta Build 7712
$AUD179 (unlocked), the LG Optimus 7 ... but Android?
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Got to wait for MAGLDR on optimus 7 then ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfUBo6bzXZ0
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2BDMnYMe5E&feature=related
GINGERBREAD now on my old HD2.
This link is offering $AUD179 (unlocked), the LG Optimus 7 Windows Smartphone:
http://www.catchoftheday.com.au/smallfish_info.php?products_id=45298
Better camera, a camera button that does not jolt the camera focus. I'd like to dual boot, cos Android has better third party apps, & more freeware. When I dare upgrade Android, sometimes it puts my phone offline for days, until a solution is found.
I think Android can be ported to Optimus 7 ... there are many Android phones with nearly identical hardware ...
Probably it still needs a minimum effort, so you need to find someone willing to spend his time doing such a thing ...
Btw I think the topic 'how to have windows phone on the possible higher number of devices' is much more interesting than 'how to port Crappoid on our devices'
What I meant to say is : If I was able to, I still would not have spare time for such a 'task'
What are the steps pls?
Not possible yet.
it MUST be possible! Pleeeeeease, port Android on Surround :'(
Not possible, try Mango
Chinese developers are working on an Android port for HD7... the hardware between the two devices isn't very different
c'mon!! it WILL be possible, if only devs WOULD to do the os porting.
It's easy to say "that's impossible, buy a native android phone" or "try Mango.." etc
isn't this forum for developers? so, why don't they develop?
they simply don't want to do this, I suppose...... :\
no one work on it now
This was the most childish post I've ever seen. 1st you ask for something and then learn you can't have it so you whine.
it's Difficult.no one want to work it now!
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Chinese developers are working on an Android port for HD7... the hardware between the two devices isn't very different
c'mon!! it WILL be possible, if only devs WOULD to do the os porting.
It's easy to say "that's impossible, buy a native android phone" or "try Mango.." etc
isn't this forum for developers? so, why don't they develop?
they simply don't want to do this, I suppose...... :\
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I don't know about you but as a person who has written many apps for a few different Operating systems (e.g. Windows, OSX, Linux (Mono,Java), Andriod, Windows Mobile 6.X, and Windows Phone 7) I can tell you the its not hard to get the OS for it since it already exists. The real problem is making drivers for the specific hardware most of the drivers for old windows mobile devices running andriod were just pulled from other phones and modified. However it seems that its not as simple this time other wise we would have something that we would be able to use. I've seen the video from the Chinese forums and I have yet to see any other windows phone 7 devices run Andriod. So as a logical guess i would bet that, that video was a HTC Thunderbolt (or some other similar device) put inside of a Surround Case. Another thing about the video is that the device is extreamly smooth which seems outlandish unless there is a direct port of the drivers from another device. I doubt this as we probably would have a nand version of andriod already. Your right about the hardware being similar but do you see an Andriod port for the HD7? I took a quick glance and didn't see anything about it.
TLDR verion; HD7 is similar but no one has a working version for HD7. Other then Xda.cn and i think that, that video is of another phone in a surround case.
I would just buy an android phone, the Surround's battery is too small anyways.
The usual response, if you want an android device go and buy one.
jeje... I know ny comment do not sound polite but it's the truth.
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please people be positive about this its just like when the hd2 came out many said they couldn't and then devs did it and the negative ones dont say scrap so please let be positive we just need a dev to really try it will save many lives
quite impossible becuz of the hardware compatibility and the build structure of this phone. but who knows one day it can be done?