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Once rooted, even if running the stock ROM with su permissions, will I be able to even receive OTA updates (Froyo)? Or be solely responsible for flashing the firmware myself? Had a G1 before this but I ended up rooting it after all the updates to 1.6 had been sent out, so I'm unfamiliar how the world of rooting and OTA's collide. I would prefer to do as little modding as possible, even though my vibrant is much more of a high end phone than the G1, it got to a point where I was constantly flashing my phone with new mods and hacks and roms, and it got kind of frustrating having little things wrong here and there. I got my adfree so far, thats enough to make me happy for now.
joe.kerwin said:
Once rooted, even if running the stock ROM with su permissions, will I be able to even receive OTA updates (Froyo)? Or be solely responsible for flashing the firmware myself? Had a G1 before this but I ended up rooting it after all the updates to 1.6 had been sent out, so I'm unfamiliar how the world of rooting and OTA's collide. I would prefer to do as little modding as possible, even though my vibrant is much more of a high end phone than the G1, it got to a point where I was constantly flashing my phone with new mods and hacks and roms, and it got kind of frustrating having little things wrong here and there. I got my adfree so far, thats enough to make me happy for now.
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I'm sure right before the update becomes available you'll hear about it and you can always unroot ...
if you install the OTA, you will download the OTA (which is a NON ROOTED update) therefore making your phone get UNROOTED. now, you WANT do avoid installing the OTA's because they will unroot you, but since you aren't running a custom rom on your phone, you WILL get the OTA from t-mobile, you just have to force urself to DECLINE the install (if you want to keep root) you can update to the OTA release if you want to get rid of root, but if you wait a couple days, someone will have hacked a rooted version of the update.
Lieu10ant said:
if you install the OTA, you will download the OTA (which is a NON ROOTED update) therefore making your phone get UNROOTED. now, you WANT do avoid installing the OTA's because they will unroot you, but since you aren't running a custom rom on your phone, you WILL get the OTA from t-mobile, you just have to force urself to DECLINE the install (if you want to keep root) you can update to the OTA release if you want to get rid of root, but if you wait a couple days, someone will have hacked a rooted version of the update.
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or you can just re-root...correct?
most of the time when an ota update comes out they patch the exploit used to root... this probably will not happen with the galaxy s series phones... 1)Samsung intends to sell 10 million of these phones... 2)It wasnt an exploit, it was left open to begin with
I'm not even sure if T-mobile cares. They allow their customers to post information about rooting their phones on their own forum.
I would post the link but I'm not allowed until my account has been verified.
oh lol, the way i worded my post was inferring that the new update would have "patched" the way to get root, but your responses make me think otherwise lol.
Better safe than sorry if Root is important to you. Wait for a guinea pig to update and verify if root is still an option or not.....
I was wondering the same thing too, but I have deleted most of the bloat ware that came with the brand. So after the ota and unroot, will these programs be reinstalled?
And if I did a factory reset would it restore the bloat ware and unroot the phone?
I got my adfree so far, thats enough to make me happy for now.[/QUOTE]
Is add free really that important? If you don't want a 3mm bar on your screen buy the app. I click the add every time I open an app that is free. If you don't then all the dev will make apple apps... Just kind of selfish if you where to ask me.
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Not like we're getting an update ever. =|
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bauerlucas said:
Just kind of selfish if you where to ask me.
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He didn't ask you.
disturkis4u said:
Not like we're getting an update ever. =|
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Looks like this is the case for the moment. Maybe we will see something soon though, but I still would like to know about my questions.
Charles Sloan said:
I was wondering the same thing too, but I have deleted most of the bloat ware that came with the brand. So after the ota and unroot, will these programs be reinstalled?
And if I did a factory reset would it restore the bloat ware and unroot the phone?
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Rather then making another thread about this, id just like to ask it here.
i know this has been asked about a million times, but i need to make in a million and one.
im rooted, clockwork recovery, mobile ap installed, and JAC kernel. I do not have any custom roms installed. Because of the custom kernel, im guessing that will keep me from receiving OTA?
This is just a simple question.,
Will you unroot for the official 2.2 or won't you?
Already did.
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you should have started the thread as a Poll..
Nope, I'll wait for a rooted version.
Hell no, whats the point of rooting if you do the official update. There is a reason im rooted, and not looking to lose it anytime soon.
tyrnight said:
you should have started the thread as a Poll..
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It was suppose to be started as a poll but i hadn't finished the questions yet before people started posting lol wow guess people are laying in wait....
Nope. Will wait for rooted, fully working version.
I ain't rooted so I'm getting the update as soon as I can get my greedy little hands on it.
nope i wont be unrooting
I will not lose my wiimote bluetoof!!!
why do people make such a big deal about the ones who update and lose root? If you didn't update and lose root then good for you but some people like to try the official update before the chefs update and customize, i for one can't blame them. We all paid for these phones, some more then others and if they want to upgrade then let them. I'm seriously thinking about doing the update and i will start a donation fund for whoever can root the new build. It's my choice and comeone will eventually root it anyway so whats the big deal???
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someone will eventually root it anyway
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that is likely but certainly not guaranteed, just sayin..
not worth the risk for me
Anyone who is rooted should have Froyo already. It would be absolutely moronic to unroot for it.
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Anyone who is rooted should have Froyo already. It would be absolutely moronic to unroot for it.
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whatever what if someone wants 2.2 with sense then what?
Young_e said:
whatever what if someone wants 2.2 with sense then what?
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then you donate to damage and treve, or you flash avalaunch's froyo..
nebenezer said:
then you donate to damage and treve, or you flash avalaunch's froyo..
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or i could update to stock froyo and donate to someone to root it
nebenezer said:
that is likely but certainly not guaranteed, just sayin..
not worth the risk for me
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you are absoulutely right, but the evo getting rooted in the first place wasn't guranteed and nothing is really guranteed my friend lol. But with the devs here at xda and all the new phones shipping with froyo once it gets released i'm sure it will be rooted soon enough
None of the Froyo ROMs out there have 4g, which I use every day.
I'll probably wait a couple of days to see if somebody posts a rooted version, and if not, I may un-root for the stock update. But then if I lose root, I also lose Titanium Backup, so I'd have to set everything up from scratch, which I hate.
pbarrett said:
None of the Froyo ROMs out there have 4g, which I use every day.
I'll probably wait a couple of days to see if somebody posts a rooted version, and if not, I may un-root for the stock update. But then if I lose root, I also lose Titanium Backup, so I'd have to set everything up from scratch, which I hate.
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This. I miss 4G on this CM6 ROM, which is otherwise awesome.
AppBrain is a less effective approach to restoring apps, but it beats starting from scratch.
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None of the Froyo ROMs out there have 4g, which I use every day.
I'll probably wait a couple of days to see if somebody posts a rooted version, and if not, I may un-root for the stock update. But then if I lose root, I also lose Titanium Backup, so I'd have to set everything up from scratch, which I hate.
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i actually didn't think about losing titnium backup damn i might not update after all i would hate losing all my apps and ****
I hate to do this because it might be somewhere else but I have 2.3.15 on my X and I want to get back to stock so that I can get the OTA .340 to start clean. The reason I'm posting on here is on all of the guides I've read about sbfing I am a little confused and see things about bootloader 10.03 and .04 and I have .01 and don't wanna brick obviously so I was wondering if someone could tell me what steps I need to take to get to stock so I can OTA?
This...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=File:Motorola_Droid_X.png
I'm in the same boat, but the wiki doesn't give this n00b quite enough detail. I want to learn, but there's so much information out there, the pace of development is so fast, and there are so many 50-page threads full of "dude this is awesome!" posts, it's hard for me to make any sense of it.
I'm on 2.3.150, rooted with Z4 -- just got the phone two weeks ago. I like where my phone is, for the most part, but I'd like to experiment with some custom ROMs, and they appear mostly to be built on 320/340. I've got Titanium Backup installed, with much of the bloat frozen.
I deleted the 340 OTA file with Root Explorer a couple of times, because I'd seen a couple of people post on here that they quit getting the Verizon nags about installing the update.
Not only has that not worked (I'm still getting nagged), but the phone keeps downloading the update again. So, I'm just going to go ahead and jump to 340 with the rest of the DX world. But I need to know how to get from where I am now through the update and back to a rooted phone.
Do I need to go all the way back to stock first? Can I just unfreeze all the bloat, un-root, and let the install proceed? Once I've installed the update, then, how do I get back to where I am now?
There are so many threads with so much differing information, I don't have any idea where to start or what to expect. I don't want a $300 paperweight.
Help me, Obi Wan, you're my only hope!
As long as bloat is not removed, you can just un-freeze it and update. You re-root in thi same way you did on 2.3.15
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I hate to do this because it might be somewhere else but I have 2.3.15 on my X and I want to get back to stock so that I can get the OTA .340 to start clean. The reason I'm posting on here is on all of the guides I've read about sbfing I am a little confused and see things about bootloader 10.03 and .04 and I have .01 and don't wanna brick obviously so I was wondering if someone could tell me what steps I need to take to get to stock so I can OTA?
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Check out this link much easier...
http://www.droidxforums.com/forum/droid-x-hacks/15666-maderstcok-ota-2-3-340-update-zip.html
We all know that the new update will come soon.
But does everyone know that it looks like with the new update we won't be allowed to flash back to older versions of the software. We won't be able to downgrade to a previous version it seems, due to journaling being enabled. We will lose functionality.
Does anybody know what this would mean for rooting and mods?
Is this something that we would have to be concerned about?
Speaking in purely speculation here, wouldn't it be beneficial to at least try the previous "retain root" strategy? It's possibly, though incredibly unlikely, that they haven't fixed that loophole yet. Might as well also try Gingerbreak on it too.
In the long run though, someone will eventually crack it it. It's inevitable really. And with Motorola claiming that the bootloader will be unlocked later this year, perhaps patience is really what we all need.
Gingerbreak should work fine because its not a logic crack such as psneuter its an overflow crack. Retain root should also work but Im not sure about that.
A good rule of thumb is to let others who are either developers or brave souls update and report back what can and can't be done after an update. If you want to retain what freedom you have with your Atrix to date, do not update until official word comes from enlightened.
Dont worry the minute the new update rolls out, im going to try to root it using gingerbreak
Heh, I plan to just go ahead with it. The only root apps I really use anyway are TB and screenshot stuffs and I can live without GingerBlur. Especially since they allow you to simply uninstall the AT&T apps ^^
Speaking of which, what do you guys think, should we flash a fresh SBF before updating if we've already flashed a pseudo-ROM?
Fresh start so we don't bash the new update caused by a third party app or mod, good luck
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KefkaticFanatic said:
Heh, I plan to just go ahead with it. The only root apps I really use anyway are TB and screenshot stuffs and I can live without GingerBlur. Especially since they allow you to simply uninstall the AT&T apps ^^
Speaking of which, what do you guys think, should we flash a fresh SBF before updating if we've already flashed a pseudo-ROM?
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There is an screenshot app that doesn't need root - screen grabber - on the forum and in the market.
As for SBF before an update - based on past experience, you have to. The udpate will fail with the yellow triangle if you don't.
DON'T UPDATE YET. we need the time to analyze it. It is suggested this update modifies the bootloader to disallow flashing back to a previous version.
I'm aware of the conditions. They'll either crack it eventually or I can just wait for the bootloader unlock. I don't need root. Losing Amazon would be annoying though.
franciscojavierleon said:
DON'T UPDATE YET. we need the time to analyze it. It is suggested this update modifies the bootloader to disallow flashing back to a previous version.
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This is actually my biggest concern...
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This whole "rolling out" method is torturous now that we have a place online to communicate with people in other areas -_-
In any case, is anyone else still in my boat? I see so many people talking about 1.8.3 it seems like everyone else has already been gifted it aside from me
Also how much luck have people been having with the 1.8.3 sbf that was posted in the forums? I keep seeing threads about using that update "at your own risk" which to me, someone new to the android community, is pretty much as good as telling me "you'd probably eff this up pretty bad!" haha
It's still in beta
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JonEleven said:
This whole "rolling out" method is torturous now that we have a place online to communicate with people in other areas -_-
In any case, is anyone else still in my boat? I see so many people talking about 1.8.3 it seems like everyone else has already been gifted it aside from me
Also how much luck have people been having with the 1.8.3 sbf that was posted in the forums? I keep seeing threads about using that update "at your own risk" which to me, someone new to the android community, is pretty much as good as telling me "you'd probably eff this up pretty bad!" haha
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Just use the 1.83 SBF out here and nothing bad will happen to your phone. It will update it to your 2.2.2 android and it will solve tons of issues also.
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It's still in beta
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So I've heard, but at the same time I've seen tons of threads where people who were not included in the beta were advised to either reflash 1.5.7 or use the computer connect method to check for the update and magically it seemed to work for them.
Whether it's still in beta or not, people in some areas seem to still be able to access it while others cannot : /
I have yet to see the update as well. I'm on att down in galveston tx right now. When you apply tis newest update does you have to root your phone again? Im rooted on greyblur 2.0 right now and I would like to keep it that's way.
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coniacvsop said:
I have yet to see the update as well. I'm on att down in galveston tx right now. When you apply tis newest update does you have to root your phone again? Im rooted on greyblur 2.0 right now and I would like to keep it that's way.
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You do need to re-root but I have heard Gingerbreak works very well, and also some people have had success with the retainroot method which is what I used for 1.5.7
JonEleven said:
This whole "rolling out" method is torturous now that we have a place online to communicate with people in other areas -_-
In any case, is anyone else still in my boat? I see so many people talking about 1.8.3 it seems like everyone else has already been gifted it aside from me
Also how much luck have people been having with the 1.8.3 sbf that was posted in the forums? I keep seeing threads about using that update "at your own risk" which to me, someone new to the android community, is pretty much as good as telling me "you'd probably eff this up pretty bad!" haha
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Seriously, do any of you people know how to read? I'm not trying to be mean here!
I'm tired of posting that this update hasn't been released, but people continue to post how they haven't got it yet!
If you really want early access to betas/pre-release software, for god sake do like the rest of us and sign up for it!!!
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Seriously, do any of you people know how to read? I'm not trying to be mean here!
I'm tired of posting that this update hasn't been released, but people continue to post how they haven't got it yet!
If you really want early access to betas/pre-release software, for god sake do like the rest of us and sign up for it!!!
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You may want to take your own advice because you clearly haven't read what was in this thread.
As was originally mentioned by JayRolla, we have established already that the update does appear to still be in beta, nullifying the need for you to make any sort of comment whatsoever.
Furthermore I responded to JayRolla's comment by acknowledging that even though it may be true, I still have seen many people on these forums who were NOT in the beta that have received OTA updates, and have had success updating by using the computer connect update method.
Might want to put the time into reading a thread before you bash on others incorrectly for not doing so. Though I do have to hand it to you, the irony of this all gave me a good laugh! (b^.^)b
Flash the sbf that was just leaked and you will have the update.
CaelanT said:
Seriously, do any of you people know how to read? I'm not trying to be mean here!
I'm tired of posting that this update hasn't been released, but people continue to post how they haven't got it yet!
If you really want early access to betas/pre-release software, for god sake do like the rest of us and sign up for it!!!
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Wow, what a D head!
JonEleven said:
This whole "rolling out" method is torturous now that we have a place online to communicate with people in other areas -_-
In any case, is anyone else still in my boat? I see so many people talking about 1.8.3 it seems like everyone else has already been gifted it aside from me
Also how much luck have people been having with the 1.8.3 sbf that was posted in the forums? I keep seeing threads about using that update "at your own risk" which to me, someone new to the android community, is pretty much as good as telling me "you'd probably eff this up pretty bad!" haha
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I am absolutely in your boat. I am not opposed to using the leaked sbf but my concern is that since it is beta, moto or at&t may make some changes for the better to the final version and I would have to downgrade to the stock 1.5.7 to use the "official" upgrade.
I am in your boat.
I could not get the OTA update, so I downloaded the motorola updater, which also said my phone was up to date. I flashed back to stock and tred both methods again after updating to 1.5.7, and still no update.
Then get this... I downloaded the SBF for 1.8.3 and used RSDLite to install it. This did work but of course I lost root. For "ha has" i checked for OTA updates and it sayd I was up to date, then I used the Motorola Updater again, and the Updater said I wasn't up to date. I was confused but I let it update. After a reboot, I found that the Motorola Updater "updated" me back to 1.5.7. Wtf??
I ended up finding the update.zip file for the OTA update to 1.8.3. I flashed back to stock, rooted with GladRoot. Ran the OTA update to 1.5.7, ran the afterupdate.bat file to retain root in 1.5.7. Then I used the Android recovery to install the OTA air update to 1.8.3 that I had downloaded and put on the root of my internal storage. This worked and after a reboot I was at 1.8.3. I ran GladRoot's afterupdate.bat again and was able to regain root again.
I'd post you a lin to the update.zip folder, but the moderators on these forums have asked us several times not to do so. You can find it fairly easily over google though.
DK
Thanks DK, I will definitely look into that, though I also see what charlyee was saying, it would be annoying to go to the trouble of reflashing several times if the finalized OTA update comes out in the next day or so...
I'll just have to see how long my patience will hold out
I got the 1.83 sbf from here. I was on 1.52, I flashed to 1.57, checked to see if I was still rooted (I wasn't) then flashed to 1.83 and then used Gingerbreak to re-root and GladEnable to re-sideload. worked like a champ.
Correction: I got the sbf from a link here before the moderators reminded us about posting links to beta software and the NDA.