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Many seem to want the HTC Desire ROM for Sense UI just because of the HTC apps and widgets. People like me prefer the Stock experience with the HTC apps and widgets installed.
Some of the reasons for this include the preference of the consistent Googley look and feel, smoother scrolling on stock apps, and many other objective and subjective reasons.
Modaco provides an Online Kitchen for making custom HTC Desire port ROMs for N1. On the kitchen, you can choose to not include the Sense/Rosie app in the ROM. This is a huge step to creating the stock look and feel. How do we install the custom launcher without the need to bake a custom ROM with the Online Kitchen? Will this also convert the overall look and feel to the stock one?
Because we can't install HTC apps and widgets without the whole HTC Sense UI framework, how do we achieve seemingly having a stock ROM look and feel + HTC apps and widgets?
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Code:
adb shell rm /system/app/Rosie.apk
will drop Rosie and give you your standard launcher. I highly recommend grabbing 'Root Explorer' from the Market and perusing the /system/app dir.
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paulobrien said:
Code:
adb shell rm /system/app/Rosie.apk
will drop Rosie and give you your standard launcher. I highly recommend grabbing 'Root Explorer' from the Market and perusing the /system/app dir.
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Coool!
Just wondering, great sir, why did you decide to drop Rosie?
edit: oops. I thought, you meant, you're going to drop Rosie on the HTC Desire port ROM. I misunderstood. Sorry
anthro said:
Many seem to want the HTC Desire ROM for Sense UI just because of the HTC apps and widgets. People like me prefer the Stock experience with the HTC apps and widgets installed.
Some of the reasons for this include the preference of the consistent Googley look and feel, smoother scrolling on stock apps, and many other objective and subjective reasons.
Modaco provides an Online Kitchen for making custom HTC Desire port ROMs for N1. On the kitchen, you can choose to not include the Sense/Rosie app in the ROM. This is a huge step to creating the stock look and feel. How do we install the custom launcher without the need to bake a custom ROM with the Online Kitchen? Will this also convert the overall look and feel to the stock one?
Because we can't install HTC apps and widgets without the whole HTC Sense UI framework, how do we achieve seemingly having a stock ROM look and feel + HTC apps and widgets?
*I support Modaco and recommend signing up for premium membership. I just don't have the means to afford it. To those who can afford, please consider supporting great devs by donating in ways like singing up for premium membership
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Good idea!!!
I vote for that!!!
anthro said:
Coool!
Just wondering, great sir, why did you decide to drop Rosie?
edit: oops. I thought, you meant, you're going to drop Rosie on the HTC Desire port ROM. I misunderstood. Sorry
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false happiness....
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false happiness....
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I was able to drop Rosie.
This can be done by simple using Home Switcher (an app on the Market) to use "Launcher" instead of "Rosie" as the Home app. However, HTC widgets can't be used without Rosie. HTC apps are fine without it, though
Still a step forward.
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I also noticed that things are still kinda laggy. Scrolling the stock app list isn't as smooth as how it is on stock or other ROMs. Probably, the lag is caused by the ROM. It's still in alpha so we'll just have to wait. Still very early now
I figured I was in the minority here with zero interest in senseUI. I quite like the stock look/feel of android 2.1 but can fully appreciate the user experience the widgets and such inside sense provides.
I do wonder if all of the rom creators are going to jump on the senseUI bandwagon and move away from the stock experience leaving those of us who rather not touch HTC's bastardization out in the cold Thankfully Paul seems to be keeping everyone in mind with his roms...I wonder what Cyan is going to do with future releases...
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Strange is, that on Hero (with SenseUI) everybody wanted a stock rom without it, and on Nexus (without SenseUI, you know) everybody wants these lame senseUI.
I like this smooth on stock Android, hoping, that Paul and cyanogen creates there good stuff, based on real Nexus code wthout anything of the HTC stuff.
I dn't know, why there is so much hype about these Desire ROMs for Nexus.
I belive it will be better to make the stock ROMs better...
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false happiness....
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Why? I posted the command to get rid of Rosie, and you can do it from Root Explorer easily too.
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Formel-LMS said:
Strange is, that on Hero (with SenseUI) everybody wanted a stock rom without it, and on Nexus (without SenseUI, you know) everybody wants these lame senseUI.
I like this smooth on stock Android, hoping, that Paul and cyanogen creates there good stuff, based on real Nexus code wthout anything of the HTC stuff.
I dn't know, why there is so much hype about these Desire ROMs for Nexus.
I belive it will be better to make the stock ROMs better...
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2,5 things interesting me in Desire rom:
1) HTC PDF Viewer
2) highlight text for copy (like on iphone)
3) flash player in web browser (it's 0,5 thing, because work not well on all websites.... )
I hate the rest... (after test Paul roms) it's just my modest opinion!
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Why? I posted the command to get rid of Rosie, and you can do it from Root Explorer easily too.
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Because we would like to have some sense app on stock rom! not to have Desire rom with stock apps!
You make a great work but for my daily use, there to much bug for now... (bluetooth, flash, missed app in market, etc...)
I'm sure in next weeks I could make another good try on your rom!
PS: did you see my private msg on Modaco? thanks!
Dislike sense UI love the stock look.
But HTC'S framework do have quite a few added extras that would make the stock 2.1 awesome all around.
one being the select text format similar to the iphone. The camera on desire is 100x way more attractive then the stock one. The htc camera makes you feel like your holding a 2010 product. The stock camera feels and looks like is a polaroid cam.
To have desire with everything it brings widgets, apps & have the stock look feel and dialer is my DESIRE.
The dialer on HTC'S is awful. I am so used to stock 2.1 contacts app is just awesome.
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Why? I posted the command to get rid of Rosie, and you can do it from Root Explorer easily too.
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you cant run the widgets and thats what the OP was talking about.
I'd like to use the stock contacts and dialer because the HTC dialer doesn't let me dial out using my google voice number.
ZeuBug said:
2,5 things interesting me in Desire rom:
1) HTC PDF Viewer
2) highlight text for copy (like on iphone)
3) flash player in web browser (it's 0,5 thing, because work not well on all websites.... )
I hate the rest... (after test Paul roms) it's just my modest opinion!
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I'll give you numbers one and two. At least the nexus will be getting (as far as we all know anyways) full flash (10.1) while the desire thus far has flash lite...
These three are not enough to keep me stomaching seuseui though.
Its all a matter of opinion on what you like. I was trying to get a lot of what the senseui does natively already on my stock 2.1 so it makes things easier for me. I can't see all that much of a difference in stock 2.1 vs. senseui in terms of how it looks anyways. Just a couple small visual differences.
The senseui has a lot to offer over stock. The apps, widgets, clock, lock screen that allows control over music, better copy and paste, browser is better, ability to call someone from any screen and not have to worry about finding phone icon, flat scrolling for me in programs is better than a 3d scroll, dark status bar unlike the white stock,
Most of this can be done through market apps and or tweaks done to a stock rom but this seems to do it better all in one. The things senseui does not have that are on stock I just move over.
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Its all a matter of opinion on what you like. I was trying to get a lot of what the senseui does natively already on my stock 2.1 so it makes things easier for me. I can't see all that much of a difference in stock 2.1 vs. senseui in terms of how it looks anyways. Just a couple small visual differences.
The senseui has a lot to offer over stock. The apps, widgets, clock, lock screen that allows control over music, better copy and paste, browser is better, ability to call someone from any screen and not have to worry about finding phone icon, flat scrolling for me in programs is better than a 3d scroll, dark status bar unlike the white stock,
Most of this can be done through market apps and or tweaks done to a stock rom but this seems to do it better all in one. The things senseui does not have that are on stock I just move over.
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How can you? " call someone from any screen and not have to worry about finding phone icon"
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How can you? " call someone from any screen and not have to worry about finding phone icon"
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I only meant that with senseui the phone icon follows you through all 7 pages as opposed to the stock 2.1 where you have to click on the actual phone icon to launch the dialer.
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I only meant that with senseui the phone icon follows you through all 7 pages as opposed to the stock 2.1 where you have to click on the actual phone icon to launch the dialer.
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Simple solution for that really...http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=630659
Obviously this mimics the way sense handles things but such a simple mod removes yet another reason to change the entire interface.
I don't find the sense ui intuitive, nor do I like it as a whole much in the same way I don't like apple's ui or find it intuitive
But as you said before, it's all a matter of opinion. I assume if I were to force myself to acclimate to sense, I would get used to it. This all becomes a moot point though if/when flash 10.1 hits for our phones and not for the desire/sense. People will have to choose between full flash (assuming that the desire sticks with flash lite) and sense...unless someone manages to build a nexus-centric rom with sense baked in
how to make stock launcher
made this thread a wee bit earlier, its the best recourse for those who want a stock launcher.
it wont let me paste a forum link but if you google search
stock froyo launcher htc desire
its the first one that comes up.
please link this to other forums, im not an active forum member/ poster but a lot of people have been looking for this.
Nexus one unlocked bootloader, running RA1.8 recovery, already have the 1.9a downloaded to flash but I'm kinda stuck on what to do
I love and currently use K-o-R CM based ROM...
but I wanna get something sense UI based for the htc widgets.. bought beautiful widgets and don't like it as much. its buggy, and just kinda sucky in general - wish I could refund....
Thing is, I dont like sense ui cus i can't add rows/columns to home screen launcher..
Ideas?
Download Launcher Pro, and donate to unlock Pro features - which are Sense-like widgets.
Nothing to do with ROM.
Jack_R1 said:
Download Launcher Pro, and donate to unlock Pro features - which are Sense-like widgets.
Nothing to do with ROM.
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I have launcher Pro Plus....the donate thing
other than friend stream, nothing from sense
Calendar, Messaging, Twitter, Facebook? Or they're not enough "Sense-like"?
In that case, just install a Sense ROM. You can't get both worlds. Sense is closed source, changes in Rosie launcher are way too hard.
Of course, if you don't like it, you could try to reverse engineer the Rosie code and have your way with it.
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Calendar, Messaging, Twitter, Facebook? Or they're not enough "Sense-like"?
In that case, just install a Sense ROM. You can't get both worlds. Sense is closed source, changes in Rosie launcher are way too hard.
Of course, if you don't like it, you could try to reverse engineer the Rosie code and have your way with it.
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lol reverse engineering is something I might do because I want it so bad. Unfortunately I just realized the downfall of my request... reverse engineering is usually not allowed.
Well, I guess I'll try to work the launcher pro widgets since i paid for them... i didn tcheck the calander widget from lpp
Sense for widgets? Seems like you want a weather widget. try beautiful widgets...no longer in the market but im sure an apk is around.
On another note, try evil's sense Roms.
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Sense for widgets? Seems like you want a weather widget. try beautiful widgets...no longer in the market but im sure an apk is around.
On another note, try evil's sense Roms.
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The flip clock isn't even the biggest one, I purchased Weather Widgets donate and it has an H7C skin that looks just the way I want - given it still looks like garbage - its close enough for the look. Functionality wise it isn't even close though.
I would keep on using eViL's Sense ROM but quite frankly its just inferior to the KOR pack I've been using. It so much slower, things crash a lot more for no apparent reason - not really stable, hotspots and camera have been broken for a long time now and he hasn't fixed it
Enomther supposedly had a SENSE ROM but I only found "TheOfficial" Nexus One and flashed it... yeah, NOT a sense ROM. Skinned similar to one, but its not a sense rom - has none of the stuff I've mentioned
Try this fancy widget. Its exactly like the HTC sense weather and clock. HTC made them take it off the market.
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The flip clock isn't even the biggest one, I purchased Weather Widgets donate and it has an H7C skin that looks just the way I want - given it still looks like garbage - its close enough for the look. Functionality wise it isn't even close though.
I would keep on using eViL's Sense ROM but quite frankly its just inferior to the KOR pack I've been using. It so much slower, things crash a lot more for no apparent reason - not really stable, hotspots and camera have been broken for a long time now and he hasn't fixed it
Enomther supposedly had a SENSE ROM but I only found "TheOfficial" Nexus One and flashed it... yeah, NOT a sense ROM. Skinned similar to one, but its not a sense rom - has none of the stuff I've mentioned
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I don't see how bad evil's sense rom is. If you are talking about his Desire HD port then maybe (I haven't tried it yet). But his normal Desire port is not even remotely close to slow and unstable.
In fact out of all the roms I have flashed for N1, I have yet to find a rom that is really slow and unstable.
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I don't see how bad evil's sense rom is. If you are talking about his Desire HD port then maybe (I haven't tried it yet). But his normal Desire port is not even remotely close to slow and unstable.
In fact out of all the roms I have flashed for N1, I have yet to find a rom that is really slow and unstable.
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Yeah I think it was his Desire HD port, it was labeled as (WIP)?? Assuming that might have something to do with it. If you read the thread tons of ppl whining bout the same problems
Did you try a specific ROM w/ sense that WAS good? Mind direct linking me to the thread so I can try it out?
I went back to KOR.. kinda sad that I don't have the awesome HTC widgets tho, the email one I really liked - Launcher Pro has no replacement for it. I use work email a lot with my job so something as simple as a very nice activesync app goes a long way for me. I get about 100 emails a day...
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Try this fancy widget. Its exactly like the HTC sense weather and clock. HTC made them take it off the market.
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I will give it a try, thank you
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Yeah I think it was his Desire HD port, it was labeled as (WIP)?? Assuming that might have something to do with it. If you read the thread tons of ppl whining bout the same problems
Did you try a specific ROM w/ sense that WAS good? Mind direct linking me to the thread so I can try it out?
I went back to KOR.. kinda sad that I don't have the awesome HTC widgets tho, the email one I really liked - Launcher Pro has no replacement for it. I use work email a lot with my job so something as simple as a very nice activesync app goes a long way for me. I get about 100 emails a day...
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Well...for Sense ROMs I would still suggest evil's...some people seem to have mounting issues during flashing so maybe a previous version
I agree LPP needs a email widget Too bad there's currently no plans on new widgets
ctbear said:
Well...for Sense ROMs I would still suggest evil's...some people seem to have mounting issues during flashing so maybe a previous version
I agree LPP needs a email widget Too bad there's currently no plans on new widgets
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I'll see if I can bug the dev a bit for an email app.. I might nandroid backup my current install and try out one of evil's sense roms again and see if it actually works this time around.. That will have to be later tho, I need to have full access to my phone in the coming week for work
I would recomend going over to the Nexus One Rom Bible thread. just look there for what kind of rom you need
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I dont think HTC has decided what to do with sense after seeing ics , most of the funcionality they offer wasnt present on any android version until gingerbread and now ics includes most of those, do you think they're going to do something similar to windows phone and use almost stock android but with their apps and services like weather, htc sense account etc?
I personally despise sense and hope HTC starts to give us little android virgins, but I am sure for marketing purposes they will keep cramming there software on there products so they have some claim to originality.
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I dont think HTC has decided what to do with sense after seeing ics , most of the funcionality they offer wasnt present on any android version until gingerbread and now ics includes most of those, do you think they're going to do something similar to windows phone and use almost stock android but with their apps and services like weather, htc sense account etc?
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We can but live in hope, and maybe they will make the apps user removable too
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We can but live in hope, and maybe they will make the apps user removable too
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ICS has a feature that all apps can be disabled (equivalent to 'freezing' in titanium backup - not removed but can't run)
SupaAvenger79 said:
I personally despise sense and hope HTC starts to give us little android virgins, but I am sure for marketing purposes they will keep cramming there software on there products so they have some claim to originality.
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If you root you can have anything you like - try CM7 (and when released, CM9 with ICS).
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I dont think HTC has decided what to do with sense after seeing ics , most of the funcionality they offer wasnt present on any android version until gingerbread and now ics includes most of those, do you think they're going to do something similar to windows phone and use almost stock android but with their apps and services like weather, htc sense account etc?
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What kind of functionality did sense add? It was very pretty and the widgets were very good (calendar, for example) - but did it add any extra features?
I actually like Sense. Of all "major frameworks" like TouchWize and Blur and what not, Sense comes on TOP (my opinion only).
Now, can we live without sense? Perfectly.
Will HTC abandon Sense in ICS? Doubt it.
P.S. i run a rom with Sense daily... so.. biased
I hope so. I hate sense. I only like the widgets and the social network integration on the contacts app. After getting rid of sense my phone became faster and battery lasts longer.
But now, the stock launcher and features of ICS is better than sense. Even the widgets looks better now.
But i doubt they will remove sense 100%. I just wish that they won't be changing the stock ICS UI that much.
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I hope so. I hate sense. I only like the widgets and the social network integration on the contacts app. After getting rid of sense my phone became faster and battery lasts longer.
But now, the stock launcher and features of ICS is better than sense. Even the widgets looks better now.
But i doubt they will remove sense 100%. I just wish that they won't be changing the stock ICS UI that much.
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This is my point! Pick Sense, remove social integration, custom widgets, dialer, sms app, and all the other minor things, and yout get AOSP. And the you miss those things.
I agree, Sense IS HEAVY. But for what it does, it's the best. How many apps would one have to install on AOSP to get the full sense functionality? And how slower would that device be with that amount of apps interchaining themselves?
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in short. ditch sense for the ICS UI
HTC will always add there own interpretation on what they think Ice Cream Sandwich will look like, and that is the way it is. But what I do hope is that they build on top of what Google has done instead of stripping everything out.
For example, mail apps, people apps are not stock and they should try to keep it true to what Google intended and maybe use the API that are exposed by Google to add there on stuff on top.
Also they should try to build a launcher that is not so heavy integrated to how the whole OS works, instead decouple it away so if there are updates needed to the OS it can fit nicely on top.
So no I don't think Sense will fade away, but I do hope the way they implement it is as close to stock as possible, just adding features on top of it.
i don't see the point in complaining about this since pretty much all of us here on this forum have the ability to root and just install vanilla ROM, or whatever you want
for the average user (NOT US!) HTC don't seem to do a pretty decent job with Sense, since developers here can prepare some very highly optimised versions. What i would prefer is for HTC to look at the ROMs present over here and take note.
I run RCMix HD sense 3.5 daily without any problems at all and while comparing it to my brother's iPhone 4, 9 times outta 10 this ROM is as smooth as or even smoother, and lets be fair as far as UI customisations go, HTC are alot further ahead than everyone else, but if they realise the potential in their own skin as the developers have shown, they could take a really hard fight to Apple as far as usability goes (hopefully with less lawsuits than samsung have).
HTC is not gonna remove sense 100%, as they mentioned before they gonna take it to next level sense 4.
So get ready
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Id tend to agree,the divide looks split with sense,personally i like sense. I tried cyn but reverted back,its different coming from say galaxy s to sense,you wont like it as much its your starting point dependant. Anyway yeah htc will continue. Nice
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HTC do something different with Sense and it's one of the reasons I (and others I know) bought an Android phone over another platform. The Sense UI seems to be much better than Touchwiz etc. (tried on Galaxy SII and was not a fan) - phones are a very personal choice at the end of the day and with Android we are a bit spoilt for choice between manufacturers.
Whatever HTC do now that Ice Cream Sandwich is inbound I look forward to their progress as they seem to be my preferred manufacturer right now, if I don't like what they come up with then I can always opt for the Galaxy Nexus or (judging by XDA currently) end up rooting and put stock a ICS ROM on there anyways.
I'm using sense and I must say I like it, when I saw the ics video launch it looked really similar to sense.
I really want to see what HTC is going to do and I hope it won't take too long...
Mymy, i love Sense, i have a Sense ROM in my phone everyday! I always thought that stock Android is ugly, but after i've seen ICS, i am ready to switch to ICS without regrets !
i concur with the observations of everybody one on this thread, sense is some times heavy , most times resource hungry but the most important aspect of it is the packaging, i tried every rom available here on XDA and found when i was on CM i always had to download additional stuff say for my calender's, social networking,word processing (apps to open .doc's and other stuff) and crucial of them camera !!! i am sure many will agree MIUI cam is heck of a lot better then what CM has !. But when i'm back on sense roms (RCmix,ARhd or lee) i dont need get these extra stuff.
The way is see it,if we are going to build some thing to have integration of various different aspects of using your phone with third party applications you are bound to have a heck up here or there but then its quite hard to see those kinda of heck ups happening on any these sense roms even on the beta one's ! so i guess coming from a sony branded x10 with there stupid philosophy and launcher , i believe integration and stability are the key factors of sense, the only other rom that i found such level of integration sans few heck ups are the MIUI roms but then there always the battery drain issue on them.
So as for ICS i believe HTC should try to carry the kind of integration they have sans the resource hunger nature of sense launcher , take some notes from other oem launchers like touchwiz where the complete os experience is not themed.
Just my observations
Actually i like sense but stock ICS looks promising to me. Would love to see a stock ICS with some sense widgets tho
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i concur with the observations of everybody one on this thread, sense is some times heavy , most times resource hungry but the most important aspect of it is the packaging, i tried every rom available here on XDA and found when i was on CM i always had to download additional stuff say for my calender's, social networking,word processing (apps to open .doc's and other stuff) and crucial of them camera !!! i am sure many will agree MIUI cam is heck of a lot better then what CM has !. But when i'm back on sense roms (RCmix,ARhd or lee) i dont need get these extra stuff.
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Exactly. I love how light and smooth CM feels but its just a whole lot more easier and convenient to have everything put on a platter in front of you....like Sense does. Especially with the social integration aspect in the people app and the calender.
Although an AOSP ICS Rom night change all of that for good. We do seem to have improvements in the contacts and calender apps.
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srikanth.naidu said:
i concur with the observations of everybody one on this thread, sense is some times heavy , most times resource hungry but the most important aspect of it is the packaging, i tried every rom available here on XDA and found when i was on CM i always had to download additional stuff say for my calender's, social networking,word processing (apps to open .doc's and other stuff) and crucial of them camera !!! i am sure many will agree MIUI cam is heck of a lot better then what CM has !. But when i'm back on sense roms (RCmix,ARhd or lee) i dont need get these extra stuff.
The way is see it,if we are going to build some thing to have integration of various different aspects of using your phone with third party applications you are bound to have a heck up here or there but then its quite hard to see those kinda of heck ups happening on any these sense roms even on the beta one's ! so i guess coming from a sony branded x10 with there stupid philosophy and launcher , i believe integration and stability are the key factors of sense, the only other rom that i found such level of integration sans few heck ups are the MIUI roms but then there always the battery drain issue on them.
So as for ICS i believe HTC should try to carry the kind of integration they have sans the resource hunger nature of sense launcher , take some notes from other oem launchers like touchwiz where the complete os experience is not themed.
Just my observations
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Agree with this post totally... but what I am hoping now is that ICS is much better on a UI point of view that HTC would not need to change so much of the OS and just tweak it a bit to add a bit of differential. This hopefully mean that it won't be so heavy. But then saying so, HW acceleration will help so much in transitions on the UI that maybe it won't feel as heavy.
I feel HTC should add on top of the existing UI instead of stripping and re-writing most of the Google Code.
Sense is definitely one of the best UI customizations available for Android. The focus on social integration is its biggest strength. At the same time its so heavy that it brings my phone to a standstill sometimes, which makes me want to just go back to AOSP now and then.
To get to the point, I doubt HTC will let Sense fade away that easily. It is their identity, and as MrKaon already mentioned, they're going to take it to the next level. Because ICS has a lot of that functionality now built in, I'm hoping HTC will rework Sense to make it much lighter. I'm eager to see what more they do with it !
Just a little thread I wanted to make about a discussion on Roms around since I tried all of em and everytime I feel like switching to something new
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I really want to move to cyn but I like sense to much and the overall feel of it, miui is basically android iPhone far as I can tell
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I really like Sense as well but can see where those who hate it are coming from. I gave MIUI a try and much prefer the Sense 3.5 widgets, and all their colorful glory. I've used Sense since it was TouchFlo, so I've always had a place in my heart for it. CM7, while a purists form of Android, is too simplistic and also was too much work to setup to get it functioning like I wanted (my fault, as I really wanted Sense back).
To each their own...
I have tried all the types of ROMs and imho cm7 is the best and the most androidish.
Also I do like the newer sense ROMs(read 3.5).
Everything is about personal opinion and how you use your phone.
just my 2 cents.
cm7 is amazing, so fast and clean, i'd like to use it regulary. it took my breath away when i tried it out. but i'm missing the stock camera, news & weather widget, contact integration. and there were some smaller things i don't remember, all in all it was clean and fast, but did not have all the functionality of sense-roms.
To be fair, i didnt try out CM for some time and maybe i should have get used to it longer. I only used it 3 weeks or so.
i've never tried miui, but i absolutely love the miui-look.
so i'm using a no-sense ARHD with adw launcher ex with miui-icons and i think i'ts the best of all worlds.
Nasobem said:
cm7 is amazing, so fast and clean, i'd like to use it regulary. it took my breath away when i tried it out. but i'm missing the stock camera, news & weather widget, contact integration. and there were some smaller things i don't remember, all in all it was clean and fast, but did not have all the functionality of sense-roms.
To be fair, i didnt try out CM for some time and maybe i should have get used to it longer. I only used it 3 weeks or so.
i've never tried miui, but i absolutely love the miui-look.
so i'm using a no-sense ARHD with adw launcher ex with miui-icons and i think i'ts the best of all worlds.
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ARHD..i had probs wid it...if u use it for a while..you get around 150mb free ram and if u multi task at times..apps get crashed...sense roms are too heavily ram based that is why most htc phones have memory of 700mb...
i'm changing a rom from MIUI, CM, and HTC No Sense, and the Sense itself..
for me, sense is still the best, and now i'm using the ARHD 6.1.5...
Until recently I was hooked on Sense. Now I use blackice which is cm7-like and I like it. There are three things I missed at the beginning: 1/ wheather-clock 2/ news widget and 3/ flip to silence the phone. Now I use the accuweather widget and the ics clock (eight cells combined, so the same as htc's), I wrote a custom news widget for the feed I read and still miss the flip-to-silence (but not that much).
At the end of the day they both have their pros and cons. And MIUI should be shot in the back of it's neck for threason .
i've tried cm7, miui, and a variety of sense roms. cm was spartan but functional. miui (i tried freshly squeezed) was great but it (and cm7) were missing something that makes me stay on sense: the calendar widget. i've searched for a good calendar widget so that i could stay on miui, but i haven't found one as good as the htc one.
i also like the htc lockscreen. i know widgetlocker can do it, but i don't want to run another program just for that...
CM9 all the way
I vote ICS ftw running beta 2 as a daily works ok aside from the listed bugs.
it is too early to flash ICS unless you're a dev and want to work on it for dev purposes...not a good idea to use it for everyday use...
Does anyone know a good sense rom with good amount of free ram?
shad0wboss said:
it is too early to flash ICS unless you're a dev and want to work on it for dev purposes...not a good idea to use it for everyday use...
Does anyone know a good sense rom with good amount of free ram?
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I guess you could use runny4 with a script to free up Ram. You'll have around 270 MB ram after booting but of course, then script seems to kill the launcher sometimes....especially after using a resource heavy app. It's kinda annoying!
I've been using black ice ROM for a week now and I don't think I'll be coming back to sense, ever(except maybe to take a look at sense 4.0 when it comes out)! For me, it was just about finding the right widgets to replace the sense widgets. I've found quite a few excellent replacements in the market.
I'm still searching for something which can perfectly replace friendstream. I've tried pretty much everything there is...none of them work as well as friendstream did. Anyone got any ideas?
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smanthrav said:
I guess you could use runny4 with a script to free up Ram. You'll have around 270 MB ram after booting but of course, then script seems to kill the launcher sometimes....especially after using a resource heavy app. It's kinda annoying!
I've been using black ice ROM for a week now and I don't think I'll be coming back to sense, ever(except maybe to take a look at sense 4.0 when it comes out)! For me, it was just about finding the right widgets to replace the sense widgets. I've found quite a few excellent replacements in the market.
I'm still searching for something which can perfectly replace friendstream. I've tried pretty much everything there is...none of them work as well as friendstream did. Anyone got any ideas?
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which theme you're using from theme chooser? using sense lockscreen app? which clock widget you're using...
For anyone who is missing the HTC weather wiget from Sense while they are on CM give Beautiful Widgets a try.
And I'm using the ICS beta. Sure there is no camera, you need to set up your data connection manually. The gallery force closes, but installing something like QuickPic gets round that. But all in all it is good enough for me to run day to day.
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MIUI is pretty amazing, you dont have to use the default launcher you can install anyone you like but the theme engine is by far the best, it beats the Cyanogenmod theme engine. it can theme everything and i really mean everything from fonts to lockscreen to boot sound.
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MIUI is pretty amazing, you dont have to use the default launcher you can install anyone you like but the theme engine is by far the best, it beats the Cyanogenmod theme engine. it can theme everything and i really mean everything from fonts to lockscreen to boot sound.
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I agree with MIUI. Live the on the fly customization its capable of. And now with new ES Mod, you can enable native app drawer. Folder up the ones on home screen.
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Try "android pro widgets" as a replacement for friend stream. Perfectly fits for me.
All roms have their advantages and disadvantages...I love them all ^^
What bothers me on CM and MIUI is the Camera.
The DHD camera is really good and it is a pity that it is not really supported at both roms.
I am currently using ICS ... Although I have no camera but this rom is amazing
I think the only thing that keeps me going on sense is the notification bar. I'm a big fan of how sense's pull down has a recent apps section an is split into two sections one for recent things and the other for quick settings.
I mean, I understand that you can get recent apps by long pressing home but the notification bar is in like most non full screen apps, pulling it down is simple.
I used to be hard core CM but then i started going back to Sense just for the way the notifications are set up. Perhaps if there is a notification bar recent apps plugin or fix for non Sense Roms, i would leave it.
I am currently running the Virtuous Unity ROM on my phone, but use Go Launcher rather than Sense. Does Sense add any real benefits other than aesthetics?
I will admit that Virtuous Unity is quite a bit better than stock, and I do love it. I was just wondering if other ROMs (non-Sense) perform better (faster and smoother) and save more battery. I know this is a tall order to fill since Virtuous Unity is quite a beast.
If so, any recommendations on a decent ROM? Thanks.
Honestly...if you're not going to use the nice sense launcher, then no, it's not worth it. There are a few Senseless ROMs. Or you could cook one up yourself xD. For recommendations, I'd go with MIUI. It is unbelievably customizable. Thousands of themes to choose from. I'd recommend TDJ's MIUI or AndroidInsomnia's MIUI. Of course, you could always go with the standard CM7.
Sense advantages on AOSP/CM/MIUI:
Dialer.
Contacts + integrated Exchange contacts.
Better Exchange support.
Proper (and good) mail client.
Proper calendar.
Proper photo+video camera.
Much nicer Quick Settings menu in Notification Bar (MIUI is very close, CM isn't).
Better hotspot control (per-user access permissions).
Better lockscreen (this one is subjective).
Probably forgot a couple of points.
Its kinda funny how you are using a custom launcher on top of sense. Sense doesn't really provide any functionality besides its UI. I suggest you use royalginger, i used it for a while and liked it but i ended up needing my eyecandy
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Sense doesn't really provide any functionality besides its UI.
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"Its UI", as you can see from my post above yours, goes FAR beyond the launcher.
Jack_R1 provided a pretty comprehensive list of some of the non-aesthetic features of Sense ROMs. Personally, the main reason I would switch to Sense would be for the camera. The camera is better supported and the pictures that turn out are visibly better than CM7's.
Bottom line is, if you're fine with the Virtuous + goLauncher, then just stick with it. If you want to try something new, you can always backup, flash a new one, and stick with it or restore to what you had before.
I didn't quite realize all that Sense did besides look pretty. I guess I'll stick with Virtuous Unity for now (may switch later just because I can - lol). Thanks to everyone for your input.
I think I'm addicted to Go Launcher..I seem to end up using it with most Roms. It's very snappy using Go launcher over Black Ice...this is as good as my handset has been ever..thanks Team Inferno!
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Before I learned about rooting and MIUI, I used to exclusively use GoLauncher. Then I realized how much I could mix and match different themes I found from MIUI market and I haven't looked back since. It's fast, smooth, and crazy good on battery life.
Plus I prefer the dialer, boot screens, lock screens, etc. Customization is the best part of it.
The only bad thing about MIUI is its lack of an app drawer. It is pretty much a knockoff of iOS. But creating folders has a similar effect to an app drawer. Except I can put the good apps I frequently use in there.
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The only bad thing about MIUI is its lack of an app drawer. It is pretty much a knockoff of iOS. But creating folders has a similar effect to an app drawer. Except I can put the good apps I frequently use in there.
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Give AltDrawer a try. I used to use it on MIUI and it works great!
Im using the Virtuous Unity ROM as well with ADW ex Launcher. I kinda like it