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I rooted today and wanted to spread the word on the benefits of rooting. If you wait till you complete your one-year-warranty you will be missing out on the cutting-edge mods, tweaks & bugfixes that are releasing now. After a year there will be a better phone (N2?) available and development for the N1 will be slow/reduced.
Since I'm new to the rooted world please feel free to provide points I missed and I'll update this list (i.e. this is a work in progress). thanks.
Pros:
Complete access to your superphone. (essentially a linux box)
USB tether, WIFI tether. (I'm posting this right now via wifi tether )
Ability to run applications that require root. (N1 torch, Trackball color, startup disable, apps2sd)
Himem kernel. (400MB RAM compared to 212 MB stock)
Option to install apps on the SD card via A2SD (apps2sd)
Ability to theme your phone, change the kernel, Replace apps with modded versions, install bugfixes yourself
Possibility to include features (FM, higher res videos, divx etc) from the Desire/legend/other phones. These will probably NEVER be officially released for the N1.
Ability to change the kernel. With Undevolting, Overclocking, AVS, CPU throttling (SetCPU) etc; you can aim for a faster speed or longer standby battery life.
Cons:
Voided Warranty (there are cases where you still get service though)
No official OTA updates. (you get them a few hours late, or months earlier )
Nice list!
I think the thing that prevents people from rooting is voiding their warranty. I honestly believe that just stops them in their tracks (along with noobs thinking they lose OTA features). If it weren't for the loss in warranty, I believe people would root in a quick second..
Pretty sure we already know.
I applaud your effort, though.
Carloswithac said:
Pretty sure we already know.
I applaud your effort, though.
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...especially considering many of us have been fooling around with Android since the G1, and there are already numerous threads about rooting, or why to root, or the pros of rooting, or if rooting will void the warranty. Ugh. This forum is filling up with crap threads quick.
uansari1 said:
...especially considering many of us have been fooling around with Android since the G1, and there are already numerous threads about rooting, or why to root, or the pros of rooting, or if rooting will void the warranty. Ugh. This forum is filling up with crap threads quick.
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I actually applaud this thread.
I was ready to come in here all PISSED off at yet ANOTHER thread asking "like, oh m ygod, convince meeeee to root plezzzzzzzzz"
Thank you for not being that type of thread.
I will put the shotgun down now.
uansari1 said:
...especially considering many of us have been fooling around with Android since the G1, and there are already numerous threads about rooting, or why to root, or the pros of rooting, or if rooting will void the warranty. Ugh. This forum is filling up with crap threads quick.
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agreed... it kills me... i think users should have to get a G1 first... brick it, get a new one... learn from their mistakes, and then graduate to the Nexus One after figuring out the basics of Android... this forum is turning into the G1 junk-pile all over again
palosjr said:
agreed... it kills me... i think users should have to get a G1 first... brick it, get a new one... learn from their mistakes, and then graduate to the Nexus One after figuring out the basics of Android... this forum is turning into the G1 junk-pile all over again
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Or we could act in the spirit of forum participation and pass on wisdom so that the community as a whole can grow, rather than everyone starting at year 0.
A mod should just sticky this thread and maybe people will stop making new ones asking why they should root
Bump for the lazy asshats unwilling to search
liam.lah said:
Or we could act in the spirit of forum participation and pass on wisdom so that the community as a whole can grow, rather than everyone starting at year 0.
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What a great thought. +1
The 2 cons are not really important for me:
-No warranty in Lebanon anyway
-Updated ROMs are uploaded by kind people here and there
Eclair~ said:
Nice list!
I think the thing that prevents people from rooting is voiding their warranty. I honestly believe that just stops them in their tracks (along with noobs thinking they lose OTA features). If it weren't for the loss in warranty, I believe people would root in a quick second..
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I agree with this, I hate the fact that it voids the warranty...*WHYYYY*
haha....
hopefully there will be a method soon where we can root without voiding the warranty
uansari1 said:
...especially considering many of us have been fooling around with Android since the G1, and there are already numerous threads about rooting, or why to root, or the pros of rooting, or if rooting will void the warranty. Ugh. This forum is filling up with crap threads quick.
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palosjr said:
agreed... it kills me... i think users should have to get a G1 first... brick it, get a new one... learn from their mistakes, and then graduate to the Nexus One after figuring out the basics of Android... this forum is turning into the G1 junk-pile all over again
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So funny to see these guys who registered here not too long ago spout off this nonsense. Get over yourselves. The OP was only trying to help.
Another thing missing is, most of the custom roms having problems, either some have issues with the camera or bluetooth, or stability. I would hope that would be added to the list of why not to root.
When you encourage everyone to root , you obviously understand most of your viewers are going to be noobs, who will root and install the custom OS's and get upset why doesnt the thing work as it was suppose to, unlike you guys who change custom roms every other minute as a hobby most of us beginners(rooting) might not have the patience/time in hand to do so.
ajwho said:
So funny to see these guys who registered here not too long ago spout off this nonsense. Get over yourselves. The OP was only trying to help.
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Yup posters like that are the ones who are going to transform our community into an Apple-like environment. Elitist snobs who pounce on anyone who doesn't know what they do. Case in point, take palosjr. Reminds me of a typical Apple-fanboy douche bag with that kind of response.
Get off your freaking high horses, if you don't want to help then don't respond at all.
There might also be a few people holding out for Froyo to see what it offers.
+1 for adding that custom ROMs can be buggy or unfinished as a con... though the stock ROM isn't flawless either I guess.
Warranty
britoso said:
I rooted today and wanted to spread the word on the benefits of rooting. If you wait till you complete your one-year-warranty you will be missing out on the cutting-edge mods, tweaks & bugfixes that are releasing now. After a year there will be a better phone (N2?) available and development for the N1 will be slow/reduced.
Since I'm new to the rooted world please feel free to provide points I missed and I'll update this list (i.e. this is a work in progress). thanks.
Pros:
Complete access to your superphone. (essentially a linux box)
USB tether, WIFI tether. (I'm posting this right now via wifi tether )
Ability to run applications that require root. (N1 torch, Trackball color, startup disable, apps2sd)
Himem kernel. (400MB RAM compared to 212 MB stock)
Option to install apps on the SD card via A2SD (apps2sd)
Ability to theme your phone, change the kernel, Replace apps with modded versions, install bugfixes yourself
Possibility to include features (FM, higher res videos, divx etc) from the Desire/legend/other phones. These will probably NEVER be officially released for the N1.
Cons:
Voided Warranty (there are cases where you still get service though)
No official OTA updates. (you get them a few hours late, or months earlier )
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Nexus One is the first phone I've owned could not be flashed back to factory stock state after rooting. My HTC Magic could be flashed back to out-of-the-box state in 5 minutes. My Acer Liquid can be returned to 100% stock in 5 minutes. But the Nexus One? It's got that white padlock at the bottom of the screen indicating you're on your own. That does make one stop and think for moment.
But only a moment.
I waited a week before unlocking the bootloader. That was to give the phone time to fail if it was going to. My experience with hardware is that it either fails quickly....or not. In my case, not.
CM v5.0.6 is not to be missed.
linuxluver said:
Nexus One is the first phone I've owned could not be flashed back to factory stock state after rooting. My HTC Magic could be flashed back to out-of-the-box state in 5 minutes. My Acer Liquid can be returned to 100% stock in 5 minutes. But the Nexus One? It's got that white padlock at the bottom of the screen indicating you're on your own. That does make one stop and think for moment.
But only a moment.
I waited a week before unlocking the bootloader. That was to give the phone time to fail if it was going to. My experience with hardware is that it either fails quickly....or not. In my case, not.
CM v5.0.6 is not to be missed.
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Hah I did the same, only waited a week then I rooted. I got the Nexus One about two weeks ago and love it!
I think some other PROS would be better battery life and OC ability with kernels and ROMse. Using IntersecRaven's kernel I get about 15 extra hours and I am a moderate to heavy user after the 24/7 heavy usage when I got my phone initially.
Plus the car dock is awesome--personal PRO for me
Wow so much hate for someone who's trying to help the community. Chill out ppl.
PrawnPoBoy said:
+1 for adding that custom ROMs can be buggy or unfinished as a con... though the stock ROM isn't flawless either I guess.
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Technically, rooting is completely separate from installing a custom ROM, so the buggyness of ROMs installed AFTER rooting (if you choose to do so) can't be counted as a con, since you can root and not install any custom ROM.
ive read, re-read, and read again how to go about updating the radio to the newest version to be able to flash 2.2 roms. although the instructions are clear, is there a second set, or clearer set available? i just want to make sure im 100% clear about what im doing before i do it. im not new to flashing roms (did it on my moto droid) just never did something that had the potential to brick my device.
secondly, how easy is it to handle all of this on a macbook? my pc doesnt recognize my phone when i plug it in, but my macbook does so i'd be doing this from that laptop.
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My 2 cents ... wait for the official OTA to come out and then wait a little more for unrEVOked to enable root.
If you are concerned with bricking then I certainly wouldn't go through all the pain, suffering and risk just to install a prerelease radio (which is fairly old, by the way) and then to install beta releases. These forums are now littered with people posting bugs (which no one will fix ... because its a beta/prerelease ROM) and posting workarounds ... but the BEST workaround is to just wait for the actual release instead of playing around here.
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My 2 cents ... wait for the official OTA to come out and then wait a little more for unrEVOked to enable root.
If you are concerned with bricking then I certainly wouldn't go through all the pain, suffering and risk just to install a prerelease radio (which is fairly old, by the way) and then to install beta releases. These forums are now littered with people posting bugs (which no one will fix ... because its a beta/prerelease ROM) and posting workarounds ... but the BEST workaround is to just wait for the actual release instead of playing around here.
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Market - fixed
Browser - fixed
Gmail - fixed
Facebook - functional
Exchange - functional
What is it that hasn't been fixed? The performance of my phone on 2.1 versus the performance on 2.2 is greatly noticed. Above and beyond that, the "official" 2.2 release has already been stated, by unrevoked directly, that it will be very difficult to root, due to new security measures put into place.
I mean, the walk-throughs that are available on what to do are about as straightforward as can be, there are not "clearer" directions than the step-by-steps you've already read. I was wary of it too, but honestly, once you perform the steps, you'll look back and think "damn, that was alot of fuss about nothing."
Ugh
That's why I said it was my 2 cents.
I stand by my belief ... we now have a forum which is devastated by posts of leaked beta OTA's, people posting bug reports on leaked beta OTA's, people posting solutions to bug reports on leaked beta OTA's, and then the king of them all ... people cooking custom roms based on leaked beta OTA's (which then, in turn creates posts on bugs on cooked roms based on leaked beta OTA's ...).
While this is all well and good, once the OTA comes out *IF IT IS ROOTABLE* what use will any of the beta roms be (or the posts they spawned). The answer is none. While that is ALSO well and good (since this is a dev site), we have a decent amount of people bricking because the steps involve upgrading the radio ... to a beta no less and THAT is where the risk/reward equation is out of whack on this whole exercise.
SO ... I am simply saying, in response to the OP, that the fairly complicated steps and the inherent risk in upgrading the (beta) radio to get the (beta) OTA; may be outweighed by the fact that an OTA will be around the corner and will probably be infinitely less risky for the payoff. The only way there is no payoff is if it can't be (ultimately) rooted.
Thanks for the post, and the answers. I had thought that staying on 2.1, ignoring the OTA 2.2, and wait for the rooted 2.2 to be released before installing it would make things easier. I guess I was wrong.
I installed the new roms without the ota. Camcorder is broken but everything else works.. no risk that way
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For those who have tried, is the CM7 alpha worth replacing the stock Glacier ROM? What are the benefits over the current stock HTC Sense ROM? What's missing or not quite there?
Wrong Section, good question though
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Cm7 nightlies - no longer CM7 alpha
It's true that this is probably the wrong section and I'm a noob too but before they bring in the new rules about minimum postings in the developer section, I'll throw in my ten cents.
Background:
US T-Mobile version of Mytouch4G and had no reason to be unhappy with the stock Rom but just love to scratch an itch and see what happens.
In the pursuit of seeing what happens I successfully rooted the phone to the point of permanent S=off (but not complete unlock as I have no need for that yet)
and over the course of the last few weeks systematically installed and tested three of the froyo builds/ports available on this forum.
Each have their strengths and weakness which are clearly listed so I wont catalogue the details I'll just say the following:
It's a lotta lotta fun! there was a geek in me waiting to get out and I finally see what the true potential is with this platform (android) - It's probably unlimited.
Aside from the philosophical point of wanting to have the freedom to do whatever with and put whatever you want on the device, that rooting facilitates (I’m a veteran of two generation of iphones), there is also that practical point that rooting does unlock the full potential of the device available right now which includes a host of apps already on the market only for rooted devices.
I don’t want to go into all those possibilities here because they are covered in detail in any google search but let’s just say that once you’re on the other side of the proverbial fence, the grass really is greener.
I know I’m being vague at this point, but let me continue a little longer.
Having also owned a number of windows based htc devices through 2005-2008 I’m no stranger to htc sense and some of the useful little gadgets that they seem to have evolved to a fairly decent level in android and I’ll say this:
Take away the surface veneer which is not as bad in the MT4G as in some others (bloatware) and you find that the meat and potatoes of the platform/operating system is all android.
And it runs MUCH better without the crap. – forget about overclocking (which helps and is fun) loose the veneer and the device flies.
And what you lose in the process – a couple of apps – you replace immediately with comparable ones for free down at the market.
So – phone runs better, can do more, has a host of better looking ui’s and themes that all the talented developers on this forum are constantly pushing out – then what about the risks?
I haven’t had a single hitch – not one.
I’m as impulsive as the next guy but I just took it steady with the information overload – carefully rooted the phone and from there, flashing one rom after another has become no more complicated than booting into recovery – case closed.
It’s become second nature.
And I’ve had to do a double take once or twice when something didn’t play out exactly as described but I’ve discovered that I had overlooked a detail here and there and it’s an easy fix.
Point being that there are constant warnings and disclaimers for obvious reasons, but my device at least has turned out to be very hardy – no scares here.
So finally, I’ve been eyeing developments in the gingerbread camp like everyone else and I’ve been wary of the alpha builds because my zero level of expertise keeps me from playing in that league and I see early this morning that an official CM7 release is out for my model the glacier.
At first I run I into problems flashing Clockworkmod to 3.0 and even try to flash the rom and boot from 2.5 with the predictable conclusion of a stuck boot loop all the while not really knowing what to expect from this ginger hype and whether it’s really worth the trouble of leaving my now very stable cooked froyo rom.
Someone then creates the thread a few lines up describing how to simply use rom manager to install the update for CWM 3.0 and at 2am I’m on my way.
I flash the rom and install the additional google apps and what do I find?
GINGERBREAD IS **** HOT!
Nuff said.
I won’t be overclocking it as a rule but I get 2805 on quadrant – previous high being in the 2500’s (each chip is actually different so I’ve heard that everyones score will vary)
The device has no lags, splutters, and runs quite literally incredibly.
and the look and feel of gingerbread? – I’ll add to what I said earlier – it’s amazing – it’s a moving graphical, visual feast.
It will seriously rain on apple’s parade when this thing hits the main stream and I think quite honestly that it’s the greatest mobile device operating system ever created.
I know I’m gushing but it really is that good and considerably more impressive than froyo while having the same core navigation and other functionality.
I won’t be going back.
I won’t endorse taking risks with your device but I’ll say it’s worth taking a look.
A few afterthoughts for those asking the questions:
There is a brand new version of the market packaged with the 20110115 version of the larger gapps file floating around on this forum – it also rocks!
Although most apps available on the market have not yet been updated for gb 2.3, they all work so far on my machine with one or two unimportant exeptions.
I’ve replaced all sense functionality with free apps off the market – no loss there.
The device runs smoothly and all functionality is tested and working in the latest release - great job guys doing the work here.
Long and the short of it being …it’s all good.
hope that helps.
Definitely worth a flash to try yourself. I mean it's CyanogenMod so how could it not be good?
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matkam said:
For those who have tried, is the CM7 alpha worth replacing the stock Glacier ROM? What are the benefits over the current stock HTC Sense ROM? What's missing or not quite there?
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You would be very surprised at how extremely stable these roms are. I've been running them for a few weeks now and they're definitely stable enough to be your daily driver.
The main thing to consider is that Sense is a highly customized ROM while CyanogenMod is based on Pure Google with some additional configurations available.
Try it out, it's pretty easy to go back if you don't like it. For a while there I was nandroiding back and forth between Sense and CM6 about twice a week, lol.
CM7 some after thoughts
Continuing from my earlier post, I thought I would head off a few questions about observable differences in gingerbread - well the CM7 incarnation:
Android market loads and populates faster.
The wireless radio picks up signals/networks faster and connects gracefully and quickly.
All aspects of the functionality of the whole system and each individual app seems to be smoother and more efficient.
Youtube no longer has that annoying glitch coming out of landscape.
My new 16bg class 6 mini sdhc card finally works and no longer gives me the blank card or damaged card bull crap every time I unmount or remount from usb mode – didn’t expect that one and had resigned myself to going back to the stock 8gb card it shipped with.
The app drawer pops out at you in what seems like 3d while leaving the background wallpaper intact. – so the app drawer just floats while you scroll through it.
Every aspect of the device and systems are customizable – I mean everything – probably in part due to the efforts of the CM7 team.
The stock gingerbread phone dialer app is changed for the better and is obviously one of many enhancements including the ability to program your sip (voip) settings straight into the phone doing away with third party apps altogether to make or receive calls (if you’re into voip)
You’ll have to dig around to find the .apk for the stock car/navigation mode app and I solved that riddle by downloading the free android app(car home) from the market and also installing a third party app (car mode control) which is used to launch it – I’ve been lazy and haven’t investigated yet whether it’s actually necessary to have the go between, but it works.
and swype, if you want it, can be downloaded direct from the guys that developed it at the beta.swype page (wasn't allowed to post the link) - by simply registering to test the latest beta, which is better than in the stock MT4G rom.
Someone report the first post to have this moved.
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Whosdaman said:
Someone report the first post to have this moved.
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Didn't realize it had to be reported. I always assumed that because you're a mod you can do whatever the hell you want.
Well in your case just pick current RC fork from repository and use it normally you don't have to wait for the SR fork. Unless you are dev I don't see why you would want to flash it every night unless you understand basic and even in that case weekly might be fine. I been there done that as flashing new rom everyday as it came down the pipe I tried few CM7A few times let the dev do more work as ill make that my rom when SR is out, ATM have IGv1.1.6 as I flashed it this afternoon.
matkam said:
For those who have tried, is the CM7 alpha worth replacing the stock Glacier ROM? What are the benefits over the current stock HTC Sense ROM? What's missing or not quite there?
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If you thought your phone was fast out of the box, this is faster. If you thought it was a bit laggy (like me), it's like getting a brand new phone.
Also, having better experiences with CM7 GB on MT4G than I ever did on my Nexus S. This is saying a lot.
ZeroSX said:
Also, having better experiences with CM7 GB on MT4G than I ever did on my Nexus S. This is saying a lot.
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Same for me. Such a smoother experience all around.
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I just flashed & I must say it is a much smoother expericence. I love it & its not even a stable build.
matkam said:
For those who have tried, is the CM7 alpha worth replacing the stock Glacier ROM? What are the benefits over the current stock HTC Sense ROM? What's missing or not quite there?
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Is this your first Android phone? Have you ever played with a Pure Google Experience Android phone? If you're nervous about the CM7 builds, try CM6. Easier to flash since you don't need to manually flash the recovery and it will give you a feel for CyanogenMod and the Pure Android feel.
Think of the G2, that comes with plain Android right out of the box. Go to a T-mobile store and poke around with it to see if you like it.
I simply cannot stand the HTC Sense stuff... Personal preference.
I had CM6.1 for a couple weeks and I am VERY happy with it. I am waiting another week or so to start using the CM7 builds just because I have been too busy with other stuff.
neuralboy said:
It's true that this is probably the wrong section and I'm a noob too but before they bring in the new rules about minimum postings in the developer section, I'll throw in my ten cents.
Background:
US T-Mobile version of Mytouch4G and had no reason to be unhappy with the stock Rom but just love to scratch an itch and see what happens.
In the pursuit of seeing what happens I successfully rooted the phone to the point of permanent S=off (but not complete unlock as I have no need for that yet)
and over the course of the last few weeks systematically installed and tested three of the froyo builds/ports available on this forum.
Each have their strengths and weakness which are clearly listed so I wont catalogue the details I'll just say the following:
It's a lotta lotta fun! there was a geek in me waiting to get out and I finally see what the true potential is with this platform (android) - It's probably unlimited.
Aside from the philosophical point of wanting to have the freedom to do whatever with and put whatever you want on the device, that rooting facilitates (I’m a veteran of two generation of iphones), there is also that practical point that rooting does unlock the full potential of the device available right now which includes a host of apps already on the market only for rooted devices.
I don’t want to go into all those possibilities here because they are covered in detail in any google search but let’s just say that once you’re on the other side of the proverbial fence, the grass really is greener.
I know I’m being vague at this point, but let me continue a little longer.
Having also owned a number of windows based htc devices through 2005-2008 I’m no stranger to htc sense and some of the useful little gadgets that they seem to have evolved to a fairly decent level in android and I’ll say this:
Take away the surface veneer which is not as bad in the MT4G as in some others (bloatware) and you find that the meat and potatoes of the platform/operating system is all android.
And it runs MUCH better without the crap. – forget about overclocking (which helps and is fun) loose the veneer and the device flies.
And what you lose in the process – a couple of apps – you replace immediately with comparable ones for free down at the market.
So – phone runs better, can do more, has a host of better looking ui’s and themes that all the talented developers on this forum are constantly pushing out – then what about the risks?
I haven’t had a single hitch – not one.
I’m as impulsive as the next guy but I just took it steady with the information overload – carefully rooted the phone and from there, flashing one rom after another has become no more complicated than booting into recovery – case closed.
It’s become second nature.
And I’ve had to do a double take once or twice when something didn’t play out exactly as described but I’ve discovered that I had overlooked a detail here and there and it’s an easy fix.
Point being that there are constant warnings and disclaimers for obvious reasons, but my device at least has turned out to be very hardy – no scares here.
So finally, I’ve been eyeing developments in the gingerbread camp like everyone else and I’ve been wary of the alpha builds because my zero level of expertise keeps me from playing in that league and I see early this morning that an official CM7 release is out for my model the glacier.
At first I run I into problems flashing Clockworkmod to 3.0 and even try to flash the rom and boot from 2.5 with the predictable conclusion of a stuck boot loop all the while not really knowing what to expect from this ginger hype and whether it’s really worth the trouble of leaving my now very stable cooked froyo rom.
Someone then creates the thread a few lines up describing how to simply use rom manager to install the update for CWM 3.0 and at 2am I’m on my way.
I flash the rom and install the additional google apps and what do I find?
GINGERBREAD IS **** HOT!
Nuff said.
I won’t be overclocking it as a rule but I get 2805 on quadrant – previous high being in the 2500’s (each chip is actually different so I’ve heard that everyones score will vary)
The device has no lags, splutters, and runs quite literally incredibly.
and the look and feel of gingerbread? – I’ll add to what I said earlier – it’s amazing – it’s a moving graphical, visual feast.
It will seriously rain on apple’s parade when this thing hits the main stream and I think quite honestly that it’s the greatest mobile device operating system ever created.
I know I’m gushing but it really is that good and considerably more impressive than froyo while having the same core navigation and other functionality.
I won’t be going back.
I won’t endorse taking risks with your device but I’ll say it’s worth taking a look.
A few afterthoughts for those asking the questions:
There is a brand new version of the market packaged with the 20110115 version of the larger gapps file floating around on this forum – it also rocks!
Although most apps available on the market have not yet been updated for gb 2.3, they all work so far on my machine with one or two unimportant exeptions.
I’ve replaced all sense functionality with free apps off the market – no loss there.
The device runs smoothly and all functionality is tested and working in the latest release - great job guys doing the work here.
Long and the short of it being …it’s all good.
hope that helps.
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Where did you see a link for an official CM7 release for this phone?!?!
Q.Entity said:
I simply cannot stand the HTC Sense stuff... Personal preference.
I had CM6.1 for a couple weeks and I am VERY happy with it. I am waiting another week or so to start using the CM7 builds just because I have been too busy with other stuff.
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You know that's how I felt when I bought the phone. I kept thinking about returning it for a G2 just to get plain Android. Ironically, by the time I finally rooted my phone and flashed CM6, Sense had grown on me to the point that I kept nandroiding back and using it by choice. Ha!
Now I've been on cm7 for a few days and I'm pretty happy with it.
CM7 official nightlies
I can't post a link out but the link to the CM7 builds is usually towards the top of the mytouch 4G Android Developement forum page.
It's constantly being updated and it looks like the latest build takes care of a number of little issues including swype, google car home and maybe the apps pack too
To those voting not to flash, have you tried CM7? What's keeping you from being happy with it?
I just flashed it myself and am pretty happy with it. The experience is much more consistent than the stock Sense ROM, gingerbread is really fast/smooth, and CM7 adds a lot of options for customization. Wifi isn't working though.
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To those voting not to flash, have you tried CM7? What's keeping you from being happy with it?
I just flashed it myself and am pretty happy with it. The experience is much more consistent than the stock Sense ROM, gingerbread is really fast/smooth, and CM7 adds a lot of options for customization. Wifi isn't working though.
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Reboot for wifi to work.
BTW, CM7 is slick as an iced glacier.
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neuralboy said:
GINGERBREAD IS **** HOT!
Nuff said.
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This has got to be the biggest fanboism i've every heard on any forum. Gingerbread is not that different from FroYo. It looks the same it feels. it acts the same.
To the OP If you want to flash the most current baked variant of Android then by all means flash away. If not FroYo will serve your needs just fine.
First off anyone wanting to root do not update past 8.6.5.19 or 8.6.6.19 for the tf01g the newest firmware update from asus .21 blocks the razorclaw root exploit.
i dnt know about the rest of you but i watched this forum and others for about 2 months straight when i got my B80 tf01 waiting for a way to root...i mean everyday anxiously....to the point i was teaching myself android to see if i could figure out a way myself!! realistic or not..
the transformer isnt my first android device but ive only had a few and infact the tf01 stole me away from my ipad thankfully!!! thanx android!! But once i got root i was so happy it was literally an awesome christmas gift from rayman and the devs and asus ultimately.
Now heres where my observstions come in....whether anyone cares or not...after waiting for root like i did and finally getting it there was no wayespecially after seeing the roms out there that i was puting asus firmware back on my device...the devs will support it better and longer anyway.... why in the world would people who had root just go and OTA update and blow root, im guessing those who did are probably not meant to root and are probably safer not rooted.
I know its not the way it is but its almost like we got a little way in that only those who are advanced enough would be able to get and keep root and those not advanced enough would miss the chance or lose root.. I for one wont put anything straight from asus on my device unless devs just cant do ics which i highly doubt. more likely they will release before asus.
i used to really wonder why there were some questions not answered or the guys in the know getting aggravated about thwe questions over and over again, but not anymore i so respect these guys and totally understand where they are coming from watching people ask some of the questions ive seen in the last few days after this update so makes me get it.
Loosely put the level of noobness is amazing around this neck of the woods ?
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what on earth is the purpose of this post?
Were you high when you wrote this ?
After reading this post twice, I'm still confused what the purpose is.. must have been a nice trip?
I dont agree that anyone but a noob should return to stock. I regard myself pretty clued up with technology and sheer geekery and have been for thirty years, but I returned to stock due to just wanting this device to work. I had certain issues after rooting and was happy with how it worked before rooting. Now I do agree the devs here do a brilliant job, but for me, I am happy with a stock device for the time being.
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not a whole lot of purpose to the post other than warning those who obviously dont know and a little bit of a rant or ramble... it is the general forum and i didnt see anything too terribly wrong with it..
if it was totally out of line then i apologize just some people amaze me sometimes.....
for those who feel stock is more reliabe more power too ya and we are all entitled to our opinions and i just disagree.... stock for me wasnt even close in peformance and obviouly control of my device was far from what i have with root.... i can return to stock anytime if needed but i cant justify it.
Since updates from asus come out pretty often i dont see any point in rooting at least not for me. I did root my nexus one though and got CM7 on it but for my TF101 i still prefer it stock since the updates come really fast and they usually breaks the root exploit and such...i think this is a personal thing, for me i'm pretty satisfied with stock..until they stop giving out updates regularly then i'll start rooting and playing with custom roms on my TF101 just like i did on my N1
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Since updates from asus come out pretty often i dont see any point in rooting at least not for me. I did root my nexus one though and got CM7 on it but for my TF101 i still prefer it stock since the updates come really fast and they usually breaks the root exploit and such...i think this is a personal thing, for me i'm pretty satisfied with stock..until they stop giving out updates regularly then i'll start rooting and playing with custom roms on my TF101 just like i did on my N1
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Also, the battery life and speed of stock is perfect to be honest.
The Transformer is my 4th android device and it's the only one so far i've NOT rooted.
Currently, I see Asus updating it regularly and I don't want to miss out on any vital updates.
With my phones, rooting was essential to make space, get rid of annoying stock apps and tether to other devices.
With the TF101 I don't see a major need for me to root.
I dont understand the point of the OP (opening post) and must say that I prefer my TF101 just as it is - unrooted and FULLY up to date.
I have a question, as I just got my tablet a couple days ago. So basically, what the OP is saying is that you can't root if you update to 8.6.5.21. I've been doing a lot of reading (this isn't my first android device), and I think I've come to conclusion that I can't root just yet. A) You have to be on a lower version than 8.6.5.21. B) Your serial number has to be B70 or lower. So, even if I downgraded to the lower version number, I still won't be able to root? (My serial number starts with B90) Thanks for your input, as I'm not going to attempt to root until I have all the facts straight.
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I have a question, as I just got my tablet a couple days ago. So basically, what the OP is saying is that you can't root if you update to 8.6.5.21. I've been doing a lot of reading (this isn't my first android device), and I think I've come to conclusion that I can't root just yet. A) You have to be on a lower version than 8.6.5.21. B) Your serial number has to be B70 or lower. So, even if I downgraded to the lower version number, I still won't be able to root? (My serial number starts with B90) Thanks for your input, as I'm not going to attempt to root until I have all the facts straight.
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I think I get the point of the OP- a warning and general observations. To some extent, I agree. Because of the speed that ASUS sends out updates, it's trickier to maintain root on a stock system. If you want to run a non-rooted stock rom, then the updates are safe. If you want to run a rooted stock rom, you'll have to do some legwork to maintain root. It would probably be easier to just run a custom rom, rather than a rooted stock rom. As far as the newb questions go, I don't mind the ones that have done some homework, but I usually ignore the ones that don't even know what they are asking.
@dougstoner- either A OR B will work. For you, your only root option today is 8.6.5.19, although I'm not sure if it's possible to downgrade.
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dougstoner said:
I have a question, as I just got my tablet a couple days ago. So basically, what the OP is saying is that you can't root if you update to 8.6.5.21. I've been doing a lot of reading (this isn't my first android device), and I think I've come to conclusion that I can't root just yet. A) You have to be on a lower version than 8.6.5.21. B) Your serial number has to be B70 or lower. So, even if I downgraded to the lower version number, I still won't be able to root? (My serial number starts with B90) Thanks for your input, as I'm not going to attempt to root until I have all the facts straight.
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False.
BA0 here (means this is beyond the B# series). Bought TF a week ago, came with the dock bundle. Updated to the latest Asus FW but had no trouble using RC or CWM installer.apk
the only thing I can't really do is put it into APX mode and use NVFlash.
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False.
BA0 here (means this is beyond the B# series). Bought TF a week ago, came with the dock bundle. Updated to the latest Asus FW but had no trouble using RC or CWM installer.apk
the only thing I can't really do is put it into APX mode and use NVFlash.
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Don't say false, you might have gotten lucky and got 8.6.5.19 but
keep in mind the latest update got pushed out about a week or so, the latest update for you at the time might have been 8.6.5.19 but the latest as of now is 8.6.5.21 which is not rootable with Razorclaw.
Being you have a BAO you will not be able to use NVFLash at this time.
Your BAO is just a continuation of B9O.
A continuation right the way upto F.
So, if I can downgrade to the lowest version, I can root. (if that's possible)
I can't install a custom bootloader though right? Since my serial number is too high? Basically, all I can do is root if I can get to the right version, and wait until I have NVFlash for higher serial numbers to load a custom rom? Thanks for all the replies guys. I appreciate it.
The OP could have been onto something.
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I always prefer root on any android device because it allows for customistions way beyond stock firmwre.until you have rooted and used a transformer running a custom firmware at 1.5ghz you have no frame of reference at all. Most custom rom devs will update their Roms using the latest Asus firmware anyway so you aren't missing out on any new stock firmware features. I wouldn't go back to stock now if you paid me! I liken it to tuning a car, stock is fine but there is nothing like remapping the ecu and it often makes the car handle better and use less fuel.
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I always prefer root on any android device because it allows for customistions way beyond stock firmwre.until you have rooted and used a transformer running a custom firmware at 1.5ghz you have no frame of reference at all. Most custom rom devs will update their Roms using the latest Asus firmware anyway so you aren't missing out on any new stock firmware features. I wouldn't go back to stock now if you paid me! I liken it to tuning a car, stock is fine but there is nothing like remapping the ecu and it often makes the car handle better and use less fuel.
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If only for Voodoo rooting is an absolute must.
I was waiting for this tablet to go below £300 as I thought it would be better than the xoom and other tablets. I then came to this website to learn about the ICS problems and sort of regretting purchasing it now for two main reasons.
I purchased one tablet for my dad who wanted to watch sport (on a website I know of when the whether is bad it affects the sky connection on the tv).
After reading about the problems with the ICS tablet, I'm thinking I should return his tablet. It has not been used but I suppose he won't know what to do if it does any of the ICS problems as he doesn't use laptops or computers but I thought a tablet would be good for him as it is touch screen.
I also bought one for myself for when I go visit my parents instead of taking my laptop with me, but if it is going to keep on being buggy it will be of no use.
Should I return both? Or should I keep mine and return my dad's, or keep both? What are the most frustrating things after the ICS update? Was it all working smoothly before that?
Zero problems with the update, ran it for quite a while until I switched roms, only for features. I'm not sure how or why so many people have problems, but I'm sure you're gonna be able to hear more about one's who did have problems than ones that didn't, since if it was fine, you wouldn't post anything about it.
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There are only people complaining here because they have the problem. People that don't have any problems, including me, don't come here and try to tell that to the others they just use their tablets like intended. Trust me, the people that DON'T have problems are the majority. ICS is much much MUCH better than Honeycomb/Gingerbread, it's smooth and intuitive.
At least try it out on the tablet and if you don't see spontaneous reboots every 10 minutes (like some people that didn't wipe their tablets properly here) you should return it. ICS is heaven for me, it made my tablet the way it was intended to be.
EDIT: As mentioned, WIPE before you update! It will decrease the chance of problems by 99%!
Inb4 knoxploration or jtrosky replies to this thread and says ICS is terrible and everybody has problems with it.(this is not inflammatory since they both have me on ignore)
Look, pretty much every tegra2 tablet has people experiencing these problems with ICS. It isn't just exclusive to Asus transformer. However, the majority don't experience any issues.
If you are really that worried, just get ipads. But there are people who have problems with ipads too.
That is such a relief to hear! I hope our two tablets don't have any problems.
How do I wipe before updating? Sorry I am new to these terms.
I don't really want an ipad, no flash and that's what we use when browsing websites.
Thank you anyway for the relief. I thought it was in most tablets, but knowing many people also don't have these problems is good I hope.
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That is such a relief to hear! I hope our two tablets don't have any problems.
How do I wipe before updating? Sorry I am new to these terms.
I don't really want an ipad, no flash and that's what we use when browsing websites.
Thank you anyway for the relief. I thought it was in most tablets, but knowing many people also don't have these problems is good I hope.
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As soon as you take the tablet out of the box, update to ics before you do anything with it.
I could be wrong because I have never taken an OTA update but it might be safer to just download the full ICS update file from Asus website instead of letting your tablet download it on wireless.
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I could be wrong because I have never taken an OTA update but it might be safer to just download the full ICS update file from Asus website instead of letting your tablet download it on wireless.
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I'll wait for more opinions on this before I update so I can decide.
Thanks for your reply.
What ICS problems? List them, I have no idea what they are since I haven't run into any.
ICS has been fine for me, not a single crash, no problems. Only thing I get is the flickering screen with the screen cut into two primitives once in a while. No big deal, flickering stops after two seconds. Happens mostly when I go into the YouTube app for the first time.
Go update the tablet to ICS as soon as you start using it, then go into the settings and do a factory erase. You probably won't need to do a factory erase if you haven't used it but if you have any issues later someone will tell you to do one anyway. Might as well just do a factory erase after updating to eliminate the possibility that any problems caused later are the result of not doing a factory erase at which point you'll have to do a factory erase and download all of your apps and set up your settings again anyway.
Just go to "About Tablet" and check for updates. Install the update and after that wipe the tablet so it goes back to completely stock ICS.
It's just that when you're on Honeycomb and go to ICS you might have some bits and pieces that are left over.
I don't think the ICS from Asus could be that bad.. I mean, when people first got the 3.2 update (or was it 3.1), that was when I first got my TF. I updated ASAP and never had any problems (I also didn't know about XDA so I didn't know that people had problems). Don't worry... the negativity from other people will make you feel like it has problems lol.
I too am NOT having those problems others are having on ICS. There are also workarounds found that have been working for some who do have problems.
If you have one of the more coveted serial numbers (NVFlashable), probably better to sell it to someone else than return it back to the shop, if you end up going that route.
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Inb4 knoxploration or jtrosky replies to this thread and says ICS is terrible and everybody has problems with it.(this is not inflammatory since they both have me on ignore)
Look, pretty much every tegra2 tablet has people experiencing these problems with ICS. It isn't just exclusive to Asus transformer. However, the majority don't experience any issues.
If you are really that worried, just get ipads. But there are people who have problems with ipads too.
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I've never posted before that i have a problem with ICS (this is my first post stating that i have problem after the second ICS update). It is not safe to assume that only people experiencing problems post/whine here. In my family we have three TF101's and all of them have sleep of death and random reboots. So, what does that (three from three) say to us? We would think twice about next purchase from ASUS. We have contacted them and they are circling us around (another negative point).
But that is not the point; the point is how to extrapolate what is the current rate of failure of ICS in regard to SOD and RR. For that i would need a huge pool of votes ...
I do not want to generalize either, based on our current experience with ASUS (three out of three = 100% failure rate) and say that overall TF101 ICS update is a complete failure.
All i can say is that you need to learn how to protect your investment (higher upfront cost sometime equates to better customer satisfaction). XDA forums are very good with isolating problems and fixing things. But for getting answer on statistics ...
Yes, I think trying to argue about which side is in the majority is a pointless discussion. As a wise man once said: never argue qualitatively what can be answered quantitatively. If someone wants a true answer, he or she would need to do the legwork. Forums like these are going to have higher incidence numbers because people end up on these forums when they are googling for solutions, which people without problems don't do. A proper sample would have to be from a more neutral population, like from Amazon perhaps.
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I'll have to get the tablet and see how it goes. I really hope it doesn't fail. The iPad is not a option for me since it is so limited.
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I've never posted before that i have a problem with ICS (this is my first post stating that i have problem after the second ICS update). It is not safe to assume that only people experiencing problems post/whine here. In my family we have three TF101's and all of them have sleep of death and random reboots. So, what does that (three from three) say to us? We would think twice about next purchase from ASUS. We have contacted them and they are circling us around (another negative point).
But that is not the point; the point is how to extrapolate what is the current rate of failure of ICS in regard to SOD and RR. For that i would need a huge pool of votes ...
I do not want to generalize either, based on our current experience with ASUS (three out of three = 100% failure rate) and say that overall TF101 ICS update is a complete failure.
All i can say is that you need to learn how to protect your investment (higher upfront cost sometime equates to better customer service). XDA forums are very good with isolating problems and fixing things. But for getting answer on statistics ...
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Were these tablets all updated from honeycomb or brand new?
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Were these tablets all updated from honeycomb or brand new?
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All three bought about same time (may 2011) and updated from Honeycomb 3.1 --> 3.2 --> Ice Cream Sandwich 4.0.
Mine did not experience any problem with the first ICS update. The second ICS update messed it up. The other two had SOD and RR problems right after the first ICS update ...
Take care,
Bormasina
Were these tablets all updated from honeycomb or brand new?
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Probably not going to matter. I think you're trying to get at whether the tablet came with ICS or whether it came with Honeycomb. If yours came with HC, you updated to ICS and then you factory wipe it, I don't see how it should be any different than if it only had ICS on it ever.
The problems with sleep of death, random reboots and battery draining probably have more to do with third party apps and roms than Asus IMO. I want to know if anyone experiences those problems running:
1. On stock.
2. Without third party apps.
Running stock is not so much to ask but running without third party apps is, since that's a huge part of the experience of having a device like a tablet or smartphone. But if you don't experience the issues without third party apps then the blame lies with either the third party app not being coded correctly or less likely the third party code is conflicting with the software or hardware Asus used in the tablet. If it's a third party app that's poorly coded that's causing problems there's nothing Asus can really do about that.
There's no guarantee your experience will be like mine or someone who has had nothing but trouble with it. But as you described you bought it for your father for sports. If all he's going to do with it is watch YouTube or watch sports on the browser and look up stats and plays, the probability of him running into problems on just a stock device is nil IMO. Just keep it.
By the way have you checked which revision or batch it is? Look for a long string of characters that starts with BXO where X is a number. You can find this on the unit itself as a sticker, on the warranty card or if you haven't opened it up: a sticker on the back of the box.
I had quite a lot of issues with the OTA ICS update. Lots of random reboots and SODs (almost daily).
I installed a custom rom (EOS build 12 at that time) which actually reduced the frequency of the crashes a lot. The tablet never died before it had been turned on at least 60h.
I updated later to EOS build 19, and quite quickly had a complete system freeze when I was using it. But, after that one freeze, its been rock solid and currently ticking at 175h uptime.
Theres no denying ICS has its fair share of issues, and SOD/RR is one of them and probably the biggest. It affects everyone differently.
Some have it very very often, some less frequent, some very rarely, and even some who never has it.
But as far as my experience go - the asus ota ICS is garbage, the custom roms are far far better in both functionality and stability.
I definitely dont think you should return the device just because of the asus ICS update. But in the end - its up to you to decide whether its such a big issue for you or not.
I'm running the stock 4.0.3 ICS and have not experienced a single problem. I am not running rooted at present, mainly because other android devices I have not runinto anything I wanted to accomplish that I cannot. That could change of course, but for now, I am delighted.
Don't forget that VPN L2tp Share Key is no longer working on ICS.
So if you 're going to use vpn then maybe tf101 is not an option.