My brother-in-law works at AT&T, and tells me that when they start rolling out LTE later this year, the Atrix 4G has the required radios to access it.
Can anyone confirm this, and will this be LTE on par with what Verizon currently offers with the Thunderbolt?
I may know nothing about phones, but this phone was advertised as 4G( which it doesn't have yet). It was not advertised as LTE, i doubt AT&T would lose the money of selling a new phone by just upgrading the old one
The Atrix doesn't have an LTE radio. The Droid Bionic which is basically an Atrix but on Verizon will have the LTE radio.
Our Atrix was meant to operate on certain frequencies, unless we can use frequencies that weren't published or they're planning to push their LTE on one of these frequencies I don't see it happening :-/ sorry don't mean to burst any bubbles but its something that I hoped for as well or maybe an option that the xoom had that we can send it back to have to upgrade to an LTE antenna again I don't see it happening
thats just my 2 cents
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Uhhhm 4G and LTE are the same. The LTE stands for long term evolution which basically covers how they will be improving the 4G making it faster better. So yes your phone is 4G LTE ready. Because it's one and the same.
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Uhhhm 4G and LTE are the same. The LTE stands for long term evolution which basically covers how they will be improving the 4G making it faster better. So yes your phone is 4G LTE ready. Because it's one and the same.
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Hydro360 said:
Uhhhm 4G and LTE are the same. The LTE stands for long term evolution which basically covers how they will be improving the 4G making it faster better. So yes your phone is 4G LTE ready. Because it's one and the same.
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There two kinds of 4G as the carriers describe it (HSPA+ and LTE).
The radio in the Atrix only supports HSPA+.
Funny thing is, HSPA + and LTE are not true 4G.
Neither meet the defined standard.
IP based and 100 Mbps minimum download speed is true 4G according to the ITU.
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There two kinds of 4G as the carriers describe it (HSPA+ and LTE).
The radio in the Atrix only supports HSPA+.
Funny thing is, HSPA + and LTE are not true 4G.
Neither meet the defined standard.
IP based and 100 Mbps minimum download speed is true 4G according to the ITU.
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Wimax?
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rjohnstone said:
There two kinds of 4G as the carriers describe it (HSPA+ and LTE).
The radio in the Atrix only supports HSPA+.
Funny thing is, HSPA + and LTE are not true 4G.
Neither meet the defined standard.
IP based and 100 Mbps minimum download speed is true 4G according to the ITU.
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Lte... Wimax?
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Hspa wimax lte... Choose your poison
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Hm... I was digging on the AT&T site and came across this on the Tech Specs. It seems really ambiguous. Does anyone know the frequencies for LTE?
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True if you want to get technical wimax is the only true 4G. But the ramped up hspa+ which is basically the 3g uncapped and the lte are compatible. It's part of the design lte. Both verizon and att have designed their lte to be reverse compatible so for now we only get super 3g which will get the same speeds as wimax but as lte rolls out our phones will be compatible that's why their all being marketed as 4G LTE phones and not one or the other. The LTE system is reverse compatible with all 4G ready phones so no not exactly the same but close enough that it can still be called an apple no matter what color the skin is
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Hspa wimax lte... Choose your poison
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They all boast the same speeds. My friend just got the G2X on t-mobile he's consistently getting 6.5-7 on download and 3.5 up. We should be getting close to that if not the same when they uncap all the 4G phones.
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Nope, WiMax is not true 4G either.
Yes, it's IP based, but it's too slow.
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True if you want to get technical wimax is the only true 4G. But the ramped up hspa+ which is basically the 3g uncapped and the lte are compatible. It's part of the design lte. Both verizon and att have designed their lte to be reverse compatible so for now we only get super 3g which will get the same speeds as wimax but as lte rolls out our phones will be compatible that's why their all being marketed as 4G LTE phones and not one or the other. The LTE system is reverse compatible with all 4G ready phones so no not exactly the same but close enough that it can still be called an apple no matter what color the skin is
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So what you're saying is that the Atrix will be capable of what's currently available on Verizon LTE, but not true to the official 4G definition?
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Nope, WiMax is not true 4G either.
Yes, it's IP based, but it's too slow.
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It's all a stab at having wireless broadband speeds. This is the closest we'll see before our kids are designing the new phones
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the frequencies don't matter, HSPA+ and LTE are different types of signals. THEY ARE NOT COMPATIBLE. and our phone does NOT have an LTE radio.
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the frequencies don't matter, HSPA+ and LTE are different signals. THEY ARE NOT COMPATIBLE. and our phone does NOT have an LTE radio.
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Well that's depressing, but about what I expected from Ma Bell. Can't wait to switch to Verizon once I get off my family plan, to be honest.
Hydro360 said:
True if you want to get technical wimax is the only true 4G. But the ramped up hspa+ which is basically the 3g uncapped and the lte are compatible. It's part of the design lte. Both verizon and att have designed their lte to be reverse compatible so for now we only get super 3g which will get the same speeds as wimax but as lte rolls out our phones will be compatible that's why their all being marketed as 4G LTE phones and not one or the other. The LTE system is reverse compatible with all 4G ready phones so no not exactly the same but close enough that it can still be called an apple no matter what color the skin is
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The Atrix DOESN'T support LTE. Like everyone else says, It would need a new radio. If LTE didn't, then why can't Verizons 3G devices access it???
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Well that's depressing, but about what I expected from Ma Bell. Can't wait to switch to Verizon once I get off my family plan, to be honest.
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Im either going to get Verizon for LTE, if I can get it unlimited or I will go with T-Mobile and their HSPA+ (its fast enough for me).. plus T-Mobile is really cheap and I would save money. That is if the Ma Bell DeathStar does eat up T-Mobile...
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So according to Phonscoop.com Tmobile offically launched HSPA+. Apparently its in 50 markets.
So whoes got it? What kind of speeds are you getting. I have in my city.
Im getting 2.025mb/s Down and 601kbps/sec up
about 3 to 6mbps because you most likely have a device that can only do 7.2 megabites per second until a hspa+ device is available at the end of this summer. Max theoretical speed should be 21mbps, but thats going to be next year when tmobile lets the 42mbps network go into place.
My speed test says im getting 5007 download and 1583 upload..Not bad. It used to stay around 3500 DL.
The slide will support higher than 7.5 MB correct?
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The way I understand it; the slide will be limited tp 7.2mbps spped. They have to install a hatdware upgrade to the towers to support HSPA+ at 42mbps and that will require a different radio.
I know its not the same; but think of it like sprint. You need a 4G phone (EVO) to get WiMax 4G network service.
If I'm wrong; someone pleae correct me (but politely).
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GeekBrat said:
The way I understand it; the slide will be limited tp 7.2mbps spped. They have to install a hatdware upgrade to the towers to support HSPA+ at 42mbps..
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I genuinely hope you are because I explicitly asked the rep if this phone would support the new HSPA+ and of course the response was "Yes"!
You cannot compare Sprint because they went from 3G to 4G and that required a change in hardware both at the towers and the device. Tmobile HSPA+, from what I researched, only requires hardware upgrades on the towers and firmware updates to the newer 3G devices. I would be highly pissed if this isn't the case!
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The rep told me too that the Slide would support HSPA+ From all the articals though i do not think this is 100% ture. But 7.2mb/s is fast enough for me on a phone.
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The rep told me too that the Slide would support HSPA+ From all the articals though i do not think this is 100% ture. But 7.2mb/s is fast enough for me on a phone.
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Sounds like we spoke to the same rep!
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Sounds like we spoke to the same rep!
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i also asked tech support from the 1800 number too. They said the slide would support it up to 15mb/sec. We'll have to see. Right now i am happy with my 2+mb/sec speeds
The way I've understood it is that phones like the Slide will see improvements in speed, but since they are not HSPA+ phones, you won't get the full benefit.
The plus side is that you won't need a new phone and you'll see faster speeds. Downside is that people with a new phone will see faster speeds.
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The way I've understood it is that phones like the Slide will see improvements in speed, but since they are not HSPA+ phones, you won't get the full benefit.
The plus side is that you won't need a new phone and you'll see faster speeds. Downside is that people with a new phone will see faster speeds.
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I think you are right on this.
But if i get speeds of 5-7mb/s on my phone i will be more then happy. Esp if im already happy with my 2mb+/s speeds.
I really dont think that anyone needs 15mb/s on a phone. With speeds like that the phone then becomes the bottleneck.
The T-Mobile twitter also told me it was an HSPA+ phone...
All I'm saying is that I don't expect the full HSPA+ speed, but I do expect faster than 7.2 Mbs!
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is hspa+ like wimax or lte (4g)
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is hspa+ like wimax or lte (4g)
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In respect to increased speeds, yes but that is it. HSPA+ utilizes the current Tmobile's 3G network and is really fast. Theoretically the top speed is less then the other two but it is significantly cheaper and easier to rollout HSPA+.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSPA+
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Location: Eden Prairie, MN (41.99900, -87.82200)
All I get in my town is Edge
At home I pretty much barely get any signal so I end up using WIFI alot.
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Location: Eden Prairie, MN (41.99900, -87.82200)
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bits, not bytes. 8 megabits per second = 1 megabyte per second if I'm not mistaken.
HSPA+ as an extension of HSPA is backward compatible with HSPA. Only HSPA+ devices will see speeds greater than 7.2mb, but you can use a HSPA phone on an HSPA+ network in the same way you can use an edge phone on a 3g network.
All android devices from T-Mobile have an HSPA internal modem, they don't currently sell a phone with an HSPA+ modem and you will not see speeds exceeding 7.2mb on a slide as it has an HSPA modem.
T-mobile is rumored to be announcing their first HSPA+ phone late this summer, suspected to be an HTC vanguard.
For those of you who are confused about Tmo's HSPA+ network and making comments on it's durability, here is a link that is on Tmo's website. I figured I'd make it easy for those of you that can't seem to do research.
http://t-mobile-coverage.t-mobile.com/hspa-mobile-broadband#
p.s. I have been in a couple of cities that carry HSPA+ right now and it's download speed from the interstate is around 4mbs. Remember peeps,IT'S NOT 4G. IT'S 4G LIKE. Quoted from Tmobile.
I am in an area that does not have HSPA+ and I pull down 4mb to 5mb all day long.
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Also keep in mind that no other carriers have 4g either.
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My area does have hspa+..well when I go out side cuz I don't even get reception in my apt..than again its a 3 story apt complex and I live in the bottom..but hspa+ or not the phone is still hella fast..loving it..lol
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Also keep in mind that no other carriers have 4g either.
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No. I believe you are incorrect sir.. AT&T does have 4G network as well as Verizon implementing their LTE (Long Term Evolution) network which is also 4G. Not to mention Sprint.
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I am in an area that does not have HSPA+ and I pull down 4mb to 5mb all day long.
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I believe you. KC is pulling that however there are still parts of KC that pulls 3g and edge. I have done the speed tests on that area (3x each). I believe that areas that are mentioned to have HSPA+ are probably still being boosted seeing how the network is still kinda new. I have noticed some members posting their speed results in places like Texas and the results are phenomenal.
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I am in an area that does not have HSPA+ and I pull down 4mb to 5mb all day long.
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Same. Except right now in one of my stores... I hardly have EDGE here. :\
mdayjr said:
I believe you. KC is pulling that however there are still parts of KC that pulls 3g and edge. I have done the speed tests on that area (3x each). I believe that areas that are mentioned to have HSPA+ are probably still being boosted seeing how the network is still kinda new. I have noticed some members posting their speed results in places like Texas and the results are phenomenal.
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Yep. I can attest to that. At work, the HSPA+ speed is beautiful. I can browse endlessly while tethering.
Although for some reason at home it says I have HSPA+ yet I lose data constantly, and it goes from HSPA+ to Edge, totally skipping 3G. Either way, I have no complaints since I can just use WiFi. It has worked well everywhere else since I got the phone.
I have reach 7.46 megs on my g2 I think that 4g
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according to the map, i'm in an area with Very Fast Speed internet. I've maxed at 2mb/s though
None of the technologies available now are 4G, LTE isn't, and neither is WiMax, they are not capable of 100mbps download speeds, WiMax 2 and LTE plus are 4G networks and they won't be implemented till 2013, please get your facts straight. I got these facts from the comission that actually names the technologies. Google it
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No. I believe you are incorrect sir.. AT&T does have 4G network as well as Verizon implementing their LTE (Long Term Evolution) network which is also 4G. Not to mention Sprint.
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-20020365-266.html
No 4G yet.
ThaGeNeCySt said:
according to the map, i'm in an area with Very Fast Speed internet. I've maxed at 2mb/s though
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That map is awful. All of downtown Baltimore shows very fast, but I know of one tower in particular that is only UMTS, not HSPA. It would be nice to see a map of the coverage by data type instead of those vague speed descriptions.
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In NYC I pretty much get 2-3 mbit everywhere.
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skiptomylou11 said:
Although for some reason at home it says I have HSPA+ yet I lose data constantly, and it goes from HSPA+ to Edge, totally skipping 3G. Either way, I have no complaints since I can just use WiFi. It has worked well everywhere else since I got the phone.
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Even though the G2 has the icon for 3G, it doesn't use it. It groups it with the "H" so it's either using 3G or HSPA+. I'm using the Mobile Signal Widget to have it accurately tell me if I'm using 3G or HSPA+.
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What app is that
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these are my speeds at 3AM i normally get 3.5-6mbps during the day
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Damn, I'm really envious of those speeds. Sometimes I'll be sitting on 0.65 Mbps if I'm lucky. My College was able to get me around 3.5 Mbps in one spot. The cons of living in Hawai'i. We get our technology last and even then, it's not amazing.
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What app is that
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Search the Market for "Mobile Signal Widget". Its the first result. Its from Empirical
Don't mean to be rude but that would be my first step when looking for an app...
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-20020365-266.html
No 4G yet.
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I stand corrected sir. Touche. Good find.
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So I was reading a news article that said that t-mobile would be doubling the speed of hspa+ every year(or was it every two years?) Would the boost allow us to get faster speeds(past 14mb) or just help the phone get to 14mb like what hspa+ does for non hspa+ phones example being the vibrant getting speeds close to hspa 7.2?
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You won't see the G2 benefit that much since the hardware only supports up to 14 mbps. You may see the latency drop though with T-Mobile increasing the speeds of their network.
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It would allow us to utilize the full potential of the current max speed but unless the chip we have supports faster than 21.1Mbps or hspa++ then that's the best we could get and would need to upgrade to a different phone to go any faster. 21.1 Mbps is by no means slow though, so I wouldn't see a need to go faster other than simply because we can. That's just over 2.6 MBps by the way and the average cable internet is 15-25Mbps (1.875 - 3.125MBps), plenty fast for most of us.
By the way, it's 21.1 for 4G according to T Mobile, 14Mbps is *just* fast 3G which I was able to get on my slide, though I never saw those speeds. UMTS is 3G, HSPA is fast 3G and HSPA+ is 4G. Or that's how I've always understood it.
Yup our network, the way the cores are built are actually capable of (theoretical) speeds of over 100mbps I don't think we will ever push it that far, but as soon as we can support the output it will be updated. However most phones can only support up to 14 mbps so the next update will be the only one that matters for a while. I'm sure as you know we will try to expand the curent 4g network as much as we can befor we will up the juice. In the next upcoming year you will see a new line of phones come out with some pretty impressive stats to go along with the update.
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KCRic said:
It would allow us to utilize the full potential of the current max speed but unless the chip we have supports faster than 21.1Mbps or hspa++ then that's the best we could get and would need to upgrade to a different phone to go any faster. 21.1 Mbps is by no means slow though, so I wouldn't see a need to go faster other than simply because we can. That's just over 2.6 MBps by the way and the average cable internet is 15-25Mbps (1.875 - 3.125MBps), plenty fast for most of us.
By the way, it's 21.1 for 4G according to T Mobile, 14Mbps is *just* fast 3G which I was able to get on my slide, though I never saw those speeds. UMTS is 3G, HSPA is fast 3G and HSPA+ is 4G. Or that's how I've always understood it.
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HSPA+ is still 3G.
zorxd said:
HSPA+ is still 3G.
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HSPA+ is most definitely 4G. Are you living in a box? Stop feeding into hype and do some research. HSPA+ is just as 4G as WiMAX and LTE.
http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/press_releases/2010/48.aspx
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Sure, according to the 4G standards released a short while back - no phone carrier even comes close to 4G and won't for a very long time. 100Mbps is just insane, that's 12.5 MBps which far exceeds any persons needs on a cell phone and even for home/business usage. Maybe if you're trying to run a data center from your G2 it would be useful.
From a marketing standpoint, 21.1 is 4G - it's the next step up (and the fastest). After that is HSPA++ at 48Mbps, still not even close to the PC 4G definition but what do we care - it's fast as hell!
True either way were still getting faster speeds! I think I'm gonna stick to my g2 for awhile then. My speeds are already fast and constant.
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HSPA+ is most definitely 4G. Are you living in a box? Stop feeding into hype and do some research. HSPA+ is just as 4G as WiMAX and LTE.
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Technically hspa is not real 4g, but what people really care about from 4g is speed, hspa is proven as fast and in the majority of tests prove it to be faster than any current 4g network so I'm not sure why people have the need to point this out. Some people just need to nit pick everything. And yes 100 mbps isn't realistic for phones however for some applications like web connect sticks or new devices like galaxy tabs online gaming from everywhere will be a real posibilty. 100 mbps would be peak real average speeds would be more like 60 mbps still crazy fast. All in all don't expect anything like this anytime soon.
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What speeds do you guys get in your city? Ive never seen anyone close to 14mbps. I get about 3-4mbps in houston.
I live in saginaw,texas 5 miles away from downtown fort worth. I average around 5-6 mbs normally. I get great signal as the tower is down the road from me. My phone recently just got the hspa+( my phone had a bug that would only allow it to connect to 3g). And I was getting 2mb and down. Is your phone rooted with sense by any chance?
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omarsalmin said:
HSPA+ is most definitely 4G. Are you living in a box? Stop feeding into hype and do some research. HSPA+ is just as 4G as WiMAX and LTE.
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Sorry, HSPA+ is most definitely not 4G. It's no more 4G than EDGE was 3G. It's still using 3G technology.
In that press release, LTE-Advanced is proper 4G, as it refers to. I can't see anything there saying that HSPA+ is 4G.
Edit - ok, I take all that back. Looks like the ITU have done a U-turn and decided that because so many companies started calling HSPA+ 4G, to make that a legal definition. Sounds bizarre to me :facepalm:
http://www.intomobile.com/2010/12/18/itu-reverses-its-decision-lte-wimax-and-hspa-are-now-4g/
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Sorry, HSPA+ is most definitely not 4G. It's no more 4G than EDGE was 3G. It's still using 3G technology.
In that press release, LTE-Advanced is proper 4G, as it refers to. I can't see anything there saying that HSPA+ is 4G.
Edit - ok, I take all that back. Looks like the ITU have done a U-turn and decided that because so many companies started calling HSPA+ 4G, to make that a legal definition. Sounds bizarre to me :facepalm:
http://www.intomobile.com/2010/12/18/itu-reverses-its-decision-lte-wimax-and-hspa-are-now-4g/
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Hehe that's why I gave my source so I didn't sound like a *complete* idiot
It used to be that 4g was 100mbps but the itu downgraded the classification so now technically vzw lte, sprint wimax, and tmob hspa+ can all be classified as 4g. With that said, most tmob customers are still seeing threshold speeds of like 3 or 4 mbps and at most 6 or 7mbps. Vzw lte speeds under ideal conditions aren't much better - maybe 12 - 14mbps from what I have heard (but prob more widespread and no 2mbps speeds being billed as 4g). I believe under ideal conditions and current tech, wimax produces the fastest real world speeds but vzw and tmob should be catching up soon.
However, with an hspa+ capable radio the g2 (if you hang onto it for another year or two) should see full hspa+ speeds and I guess its technically capable of anything that radio spectrum can push out with firmware/radio software updates.
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lol @ people who didn't realize ITU updated their definition of 4G - I actually think that the 3GPP considers EDGE to be a "3G technology" in some regards - don't ask.
Regardless, in 2011 TMO is going to be rolling out HSPA+ 42 - that should merit a speed increase slightly on HSPA+ enabled devices and most certainly a latency drop.
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What speeds do you guys get in your city? Ive never seen anyone close to 14mbps. I get about 3-4mbps in houston.
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lol @ people who didn't realize ITU updated their definition of 4G - I actually think that the 3GPP considers EDGE to be a "3G technology" in some regards - don't ask.
Regardless, in 2011 TMO is going to be rolling out HSPA+ 42 - that should merit a speed increase slightly on HSPA+ enabled devices and most certainly a latency drop.
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yupp.. then after HSPA+ (21, 42, 84, 168 mbps) is LTHE (Long Term HSPA Evolution [336-672mbps])
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/12/forget-hspa-and-lte-lthe-is-the-way-to-go/
http://www.nokiasiemensnetworks.com...HSPA_evolution_white_paper_low_res_141220.pdf
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holy **** nice.
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holy **** nice.
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Yeah T-Mo in the Seattle area is the ish. My sig is at my house with only 3 bars of reception...
The terms "3G" and "4G" are worthless. All that really matters is what the actually speed of the network is. It is ridiculous to argue over what is or what isn't 4G.
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Whereas I'm fairly certain it's not.
The whole 4G kerfuffle in the UK is wind up. Money making, profiteering, scam - from the scum of UK mobile telephony providers. I've got 9Mb on HSPA+ in Oxford, would I notice a difference between that and 15Mb "4G" ? Doubt it when browsing the web / facebook / emails! Doubt I'd notice it if streaming stuff on my S3, that usually needs a lot less than 9Mb for HD content.
If it were true 4G speeds and they had a decent data allowance (500Mb per month? B!tch, please! *troll face* ) , I'd happily switch. That's if they had 4G service in Oxford. Which they don't. and I very rarely visit any of the places where their "4G" is available.
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The whole 4G kerfuffle in the UK is wind up. Money making, profiteering, scam - from the scum of UK mobile telephony providers. I've got 9Mb on HSPA+ in Oxford, would I notice a difference between that and 15Mb "4G" ? Doubt it when browsing the web / facebook / emails! Doubt I'd notice it if streaming stuff on my S3, that usually needs a lot less than 9Mb for HD content.
If it were true 4G speeds and they had a decent data allowance (500Mb per month? B!tch, please! *troll face* ) , I'd happily switch. That's if they had 4G service in Oxford. Which they don't. and I very rarely visit any of the places where their "4G" is available.
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Yeah, I'm on their All You Can Eat data plan, but I won't be upgrading to DC-HSDPA speeds advertised as LTE. From what I've seen, LTE is over 21Mbps, and DC-HSDPA is up to 21Mbps. A friend is Leeds gets around 30Mbps.
I use my phone for tethering, since it's included in my plan and faster than my home broadband, so I welcome any free speed increase.
Kind of mirrors my thinking, why pay extra for LTE when they are throttling 3g as it is.
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If I'm not wrong, even HSPA+ is (maximum) 21Mbps.
Here in Brazil, some people tested 4G, (in a launch event, 4G only to people present at the event) with Motorola RAZR HD. It reached 57Mbps.
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If I'm not wrong, even HSPA+ is (maximum) 21Mbps.
Here in Brazil, some people tested 4G, (in a launch event, 4G only to people present at the event) with Motorola RAZR HD. It reached 57Mbps.
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I have seen some screens of people getting over 50Mbps on EE's network, but the average people see is around 15-20Mbps I think, slowest I have seen (and yes this is LTE) is 4Mbps... best 3g speed I have got in the center of York is 10Mbps.
you britains arent the only ones who are fooled
Here in germany according to o2, 21mbit is lte, ***** please, and some months ago they made promotion for transformer 300TFL or somethin like that with 47mbit downspeed on lte. These jerks, they all want to fool us.
You all are wrong. DC-HSPA it's the new generation 3G (Dual Channel - DL up 42Mbps!!!) There is no need to sign up for it, everybody who are on Three can use it but the only problem is DC enabled phones (all new models with LTE or Nexus 4)
EE is scum , they using 1800mHz and that's not proper 4G, it's tweaked 3G (DC-HSPA) but phones showing "4G" Fraud !!!
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You all are wrong. DC-HSPA it's the new generation 3G (Dual Channel - DL up 42Mbps!!!) There is no need to sign up for it, everybody who are on Three can use it but the only problem is DC enabled phones (all new models with LTE or Nexus 4)
EE is scum , they using 1800mHz and that's not proper 4G, it's tweaked 3G (DC-HSPA) but phones showing "4G" Fraud !!!
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So, why did EE pay all that money for a 4G licence then, seems like they've been shafted too?
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So, why did EE pay all that money for a 4G licence then, seems like they've been shafted too?
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Vodafone is upgrading their 3G which will proabably get speeds close to 4G in their worst speed areas but then again 3G is pretty crap for lots of people , its all overrated crap to be honest , they got scientists at universities developing 5G already with massive governments grants
Sorry didn't make my sarcasm obvious enough, yes a lot of the performance gain is actually due to unthrottling 3g. But consumer law in the UK makes it unlikely that EE are selling simple 3g as 4g (at the minimum its false advertising). It annoys me that if 3g was pushed to its potential we wouldn't be so desperate for 4g.
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Does the SGS3 GT-i9300 support DC-HSDPA? I'm getting conflicting reports via Google. dated from May.
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So, why did EE pay all that money for a 4G licence then, seems like they've been shafted too?
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no they didn't
they are using their existing 1800mhz spectrum for LTE by refarming the current GSM spectrum
when the auction takes places for 4G spectrum, they will stop using 1800mhz and change to the new spectrum
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You all are wrong. DC-HSPA it's the new generation 3G (Dual Channel - DL up 42Mbps!!!) There is no need to sign up for it, everybody who are on Three can use it but the only problem is DC enabled phones (all new models with LTE or Nexus 4)
EE is scum , they using 1800mHz and that's not proper 4G, it's tweaked 3G (DC-HSPA) but phones showing "4G" Fraud !!!
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Duel Cell not Dual channel, lol
and EE is not using tweaked 3G, they are using proper 4G equipment, lol whats your source of this dodgy info? hahaha
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Does the SGS3 GT-i9300 support DC-HSDPA? I'm getting conflicting reports via Google. dated from May.
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From memory it was confirmed to have it prior to launch then a few days before the launch event Sammy said it didn't. I could be wrong, but that's how I remember it.
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Thought 4G was 100mbps
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yes, but this is the max theoretical speeds in ideal radio conditions and low load on the network
Try 27Mbs up and 16 down here in Aust. Now THAT is noticable with streaming I can assure you
screens taken this afternoon
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/43088692/4G-Test.png
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no they didn't
they are using their existing 1800mhz spectrum for LTE by refarming the current GSM spectrum
when the auction takes places for 4G spectrum, they will stop using 1800mhz and change to the new spectrum
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Duel Cell not Dual channel, lol
and EE is not using tweaked 3G, they are using proper 4G equipment, lol whats your source of this dodgy info? hahaha
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They have to keep using the 1800Mhz frequency after the auction part of their agreement was that they will get less of the 4g spectrum because they have a 4g network now.
Also any frequency can be used for 4g, the 800Mhz and 2100 (I think its that one we will be using) were used for analogue TV and older radar which can be reused because they have now been cleared up. The only reason they give specific uses for frequencies is to avoid signals interfering with each other. Imagine if phone signals used the same frequency as military radar, we would be blind to attacks, but those frequencies can be used for cellular communications with a little tweaking.
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Danish Three
In Denmark Three`s 3G network is 42mbps and the new 4G ive tested with my 4G router and got 60-70mbps
My hope is that uptake of overpriced underspecced 4g will be underwhelming forcing networks to actually offer a service worth paying for, but seen as they've gotten away with pushing crappy 3g for so long maybe I'm flogging a dead horse?
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In Denmark Three`s 3G network is 42mbps and the new 4G ive tested with my 4G router and got 60-70mbps
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Now that I'd buy.
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In Denmark Three`s 3G network is 42mbps and the new 4G ive tested with my 4G router and got 60-70mbps
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sweet mother of god! WTF? That's insane.
Please disregard my screenshot of speed test, I have been totally check mated here by a Denmark guy.:highfive:
Whose got it and how fast is it?? Also does anyone know where I can find a coverage map for it??
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Whose got it and how fast is it?? Also does anyone know where I can find a coverage map for it??
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The regular coverage map for data shows Spark coverage in addition to standard 3g/4g. Don't have it in my market yet but according to Sprint is supposed to reach peak speeds of 50-60mbps.
My stuff slow.....whats funny is they allegedly always workin on the towers or fixing something and always got the fukin nerve to be coming out with some allegedly newer or better/faster but never seems to fix what they already got running..... I swear if it wasn't for this employee discount that I receive which pretty much take $20 off my bill I would be so done with Sprint for this average service I get
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I get at least 30 down and about 7-8 up in Dallas.
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Right outside of Houston
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I dont go by sprint maps on their site. Go to s4gru.com become a member and donate about $10~$20 bucks to become a sponsor member which will let you see map coverage and every sprint tower in this country, can see which one is active with 3g only or 4g only or a towers with both 3g/4g active that site has alot of great info about sprints coverage and more.
Im in miami where band 41 in most tower is active but i cant recall if miami was already launched with spark but here's some tests.
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I dont go by sprint maps on their site. Go to s4gru.com become a member and donate about $10~$20 bucks to become a sponsor member which will let you see map coverage and every sprint tower in this country, can see which one is active with 3g only or 4g only or a towers with both 3g/4g active that site has alot of great info about sprints coverage and more.
Im in miami where band 41 in most tower is active but i cant recall if miami was already launched with spark but here's some tests.
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This morning in Austin, TX. Couldnt get LTE yesterday to save my life, they must be fixing things here.
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Ya I'm in the DFW area and I am getting 3g. No LTE. Very disappointed choosing sprint. Can not use the s5 to its potential!
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Ya I'm in the DFW area and I am getting 3g. No LTE. Very disappointed choosing sprint. Can not use the s5 to its potential!
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Are you using 3 band?
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I enabled the 3 band, what is it though exactly lol?
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I enabled the 3 band, what is it though exactly lol?
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According to Sprint....
"These tri-band devices support active hand-off mode between 800MHz, 1.9GHz and 2.5GHz providing data session continuity as the devices move between spectrum bands."
"these devices are expected to give users the best experience by shifting from one band to another, depending on what speed is needed for the application in use at a given moment."
Supposedly band 3 is for international. Enabling it does nothing.
I disabled band 3 and the other 3 options enabled. It doesnt let me choose the order. Looking at the sprint map it shows spark in dfw.
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I live in the Portland Oregon metro area and on 2 occasions when my GF has called me (from her S4 to my S5), the call was in HD voice. From what I understand, this can only happen in a spark situation. So I am betting they are getting ready to fire up the towers here in PDX ahead of schedule.
Rite by miami international airport pretty good 42mb dw..
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Speeds
Here is my highest one so far on sprint LTE(not spark band 3 2500Mhz). My spark is disabled so I'm sure this is not spark speed. I'm in Kansas City HQ for sprint...what a joke!
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Ya I'm in the DFW area and I am getting 3g. No LTE. Very disappointed choosing sprint. Can not use the s5 to its potential!
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Hey they're I would call Sprint and make them reprovision your phone. A lot of peoples with S5's and even HTC m8's phones are not properly provisioned and they do not connect to LTE.
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Sprint dropped the ball on TRI-Band.....
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Ya I'm in the DFW area and I am getting 3g. No LTE. Very disappointed choosing sprint. Can not use the s5 to its potential!
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Tri-band phones can only connect to LTE or CMDA(3G/1x) one at a time. To off set this towers and now being equipped Circuit Switched Fallback or Enhanced Circuit Switched Fallback. You are probably in an are where the Circuit Switched Fallback (CSFB) and Enhanced Circuit Switched Fallback (eCSFB) are not equipped on the towers. Sprint hasn't deployed this to most of its network yet. Areas that don’t have it already have no expected time frame for the roll out of this network technology, and since your smartphone is designed to prefer the ability to make and receive phone calls at all costs, it is programmed to stay on CDMA.
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Tri-band phones can only connect to LTE or CMDA(3G/1x) one at a time. To off set this towers and now being equipped Circuit Switched Fallback or Enhanced Circuit Switched Fallback. You are probably in an are where the Circuit Switched Fallback (CSFB) and Enhanced Circuit Switched Fallback (eCSFB) are not equipped on the towers. Sprint hasn't deployed this to most of its network yet. Areas that don’t have it already have no expected time frame for the roll out of this network technology, and since your smartphone is designed to prefer the ability to make and receive phone calls at all costs, it is programmed to stay on CDMA.
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This is the best info that I've seen anout this situation. I can get LTE if I update PRL or toggle airplane mode. Calling Sprint does nothing BC most have no clue what this is and everything they see is working as should. Very very frustrating to hear "oh your device is the issue, go return it for a new one". I can also go into LTE only mode and it stay connected until I change it.
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