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Voice Calling for the Shift?

There is a utility in Windows XP called "Dialer". You can configure it to use the modem connected to the computer to make voice calls. It is located in the folder Program Files\Windows NT:
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/...ddocs/en-us/dialer_whatis_intro.mspx?mfr=true
In the past, I have used dedicated modems over land-lines to place voice calls using Dialer. In theory, wouldn't it be possible to configure this same utility to place a voice call with the wireless modem built-in to the Shift?
Does Vista include this utility? If not, couldn't it be easily copied from an XP machine to the Shift?

Why
the shift will inclue voice dialling out of the box so not much point to your suggestion but thanks all the same

according to some reviews there are NO Voice capabilities in Shift!!!

Some news reports are wrong.. and no one has seen a production device yet Htc only just got the FCC approval for voice on a device that is the exact same form factor of the shift and the people that are making the device have leaked out to people on these forums (a few weeks ago) that it does deffinatly have voice and gps which has now being confimed (the gps was confirmed about two days ago by a MS worker)

spzero said:
Some news reports are wrong.. and no one has seen a production device yet Htc only just got the FCC approval for voice on a device that is the exact same form factor of the shift and the people that are making the device have leaked out to people on these forums (a few weeks ago) that it does deffinatly have voice and gps which has now being confimed (the gps was confirmed about two days ago by a MS worker)
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thank you. yes voice and gps.

Hmmm. So when the official European HTC website, Shift section lists both the full Users Guide and Quick Start Guide && When neither mention the GPS or voice capabilitiels.
WELL
If they are included then HTC should re-write it's manuals.

i agree
and im sure they will update it now they have the full licence from the FCC to distribute the dev ice with voice capability

A little review to look at!
http://www.doctorsgadgets.com/htc-shift-review.html

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http://www.doctorsgadgets.com/htc-shift-review.html
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Ha. Doesn't he say "No voice, get it out of your head!" ?

alphaandomega said:
Ha. Doesn't he say "No voice, get it out of your head!" ?
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Oh yes he does but... look at the date the video review was done its about six months old it almost predates mmobile fones (lol) and the review is based on a very very early rom since this time gps has being confirmed which is not mentioned as it wasnt known back then and ohhh look htc have put the release dte back to january so who knows what there gunna change??????

yes it has gps 100%,but under vista with what software?
there is not clear until now.

for now use tomtom google maps or whtever in WM6 and once decent gps software is avaiable for vista get that instead!!

FCC approval is only for US market.
spzero said:
Some news reports are wrong.. and no one has seen a production device yet Htc only just got the FCC approval for voice on a device that is the exact same form factor of the shift and the people that are making the device have leaked out to people on these forums (a few weeks ago) that it does deffinatly have voice and gps which has now being confimed (the gps was confirmed about two days ago by a MS worker)
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Yes but if ur going too release something this good to the world is it not better to have approval in what will be one of the biggest buyers for the product.. it makes sense to me and 100% of computer devices i have have the fcc approval but i live in uk.

The user manual is available to download from HTC now and there's NO mention of voice capabilities whatsoever!
Sucks ass big time - this was my only hope of having a decent PC and phone - looks like the flybook is a better (but much more expensive) option as the new ones have faster HSDPA and voice!

If you read on Mobileplanet, they spec gps for the US Version but not for the european version. Is this true there fore we should wait for the US one?

thedustroom said:
The user manual is available to download from HTC now and there's NO mention of voice capabilities whatsoever!
Sucks ass big time - this was my only hope of having a decent PC and phone - looks like the flybook is a better (but much more expensive) option as the new ones have faster HSDPA and voice!
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would u idiots for lack of a more meaningful word stop looking at the user manuals and what is online and look at a better source who says the shift has phone capabilities. i replicated snapvue on my athena. one of the options when u go to settings is phone where u choose ur profile, ring type, bands, etc.. like in settings/phone of say the athena. IT HAS A PHONE IN IT!! bangelboy even showed the dialer on his.

He's right, check out this video.

hollywould said:
He's right, check out this video.
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i know im right. i said this from the beginning before bangelboy showed this. my sources are good!

Maybe
Pawel062 said:
i know im right. i said this from the beginning before bangelboy showed this. my sources are good!
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Even bangelboy, if you check his website, was not sure that cell phone services would be part of the final production model, although he was hopeful that it would be. Yet, all HTC indications in all their documentation is that cell phone services are not included.
Yes, the hardware is there, but there are some problems, perhaps legal patent rights, that are stalling what we want the HTC Shift to perform. It might still be a case for XDA developers to work out.
I would be happy to have the assurance of your sources, as the evidence at this point seems not to be favorable. It is good for you that you have faith in your sources, but without ascertaining their veracity, out of the box, it is hard to believe the Shift is configured for cell phone service. Would you care to share your sources with us?

REV A and GPS Nav ROM update watch

OK, the rumored date is Jan 28th ... anybody know more G2 ??

I haven't heard anything official yet. I wish it would have come out before Tuesday since I will be going out of town and I could have tested it. I'll be back by the 28th, but I'll still be happy if its released by then. Hopefully they've thoroughly tested it and there won't be many/any bugs.

anywhereanytime said:
OK, the rumored date is Jan 28th ... anybody know more G2 ??
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will the GPS by turn by turn on the phone? or do i need an adapter of some sort?

spunks3 said:
will the GPS by turn by turn on the phone? or do i need an adapter of some sort?
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The GPS is just enabling the chip in the phone. You will need another app to actually use it. You could pay monthly for Telenav, which would use your internet connection to download maps as you drive. You could buy iGuidance, TomTom, or a similar program and load all of your maps onto your SD card. iGuidance will announce the street names, TomTom will just say "Turn left in 1 mile". This should make it work with Google Maps and Live Search as well. You can get directions off of these programs, but its not voice guided.

Check out this YouTube video - the author has comments "off" do you know exactly which software this is ??
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PDXXYuJSWM4

Honest question/comment:
Everything I've read and seen in the last couple of months indicates the Titan would get RevA & GPS in early Q1, with the Vogue getting it several months later.
What did I miss?
TIA

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Honest question/comment:
Everything I've read and seen in the last couple of months indicates the Titan would get RevA & GPS in early Q1, with the Vogue getting it several months later.
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Everything I have seen suggests that BOTH will be at the same time - do you have a recent article that says they will be staggered ??
I am referring to the Sprint Touch, and therefore the Sprint Mogul - everything I have read is that both will be at the same time ?

anywhereanytime said:
Everything I have seen suggests that BOTH will be at the same time - do you have a recent article that says they will be staggered ??
I am referring to the Sprint Touch, and therefore the Sprint Mogul - everything I have read is that both will be at the same time ?
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No, my data points are the standard rumors and speculation floating around all the sites. I've seen a number of comments about 'same time' recently, and a lot about 'staggered' in the couple of months preceeding that. The only published and official fact that I've seen anywhere in months is Sprint's statement about Mogul in Q1 on HTC's site and at BAW.
It would make perfect sense for them to be released at the same time - not that sense is something I would associate with Sprint! :=)
I will be thrilled if they both come out at the same time, and soon. I have given up on my Mogul and put it on a shelf pending a likely trade for a Treo 800w. My Touch is now my primary phone.

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Check out this YouTube video - the author has comments "off" do you know exactly which software this is ??
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PDXXYuJSWM4
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This is the new CoPilot Live 7 (http://www.alk.com/copilot/). I have this one also. The software is nice (but I haven't tried it on the Touch). The maps in my area are out-dated compared to iGuidance v4. CoPilot also doesn't announce street names, iGuidance is the only one that does this. ALK said they plan on releasing an update to CoPilot to make it announce street names though, I was never given a time frame.

january 28th is the rumored release for the Moguls GPS/REV.A release, the touch is not set to get a ROM update to enable such until at least Q2 2008.

This may sound stupid, but I'll ask anyway.
I have a Garmin GPS (Nuvi250) in my wifes car, is there anyway to pull the maps from that and use them on the Touch?

MrCantrell said:
This may sound stupid, but I'll ask anyway.
I have a Garmin GPS (Nuvi250) in my wifes car, is there anyway to pull the maps from that and use them on the Touch?
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i think if your nuvi250 has bluetooth .. it will allow u to use gps on htc touch !!

neogin said:
i think if your nuvi250 has bluetooth .. it will allow u to use gps on htc touch !!
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I'll clarify.
Once they release the update, if it allows us to use the GPS, could I take the maps that are on the Nuvi and load them onto the Vogue?

no you might not be able to use garmin maps as they are very heavily copyrighted and protected. you cannot even use maps from one garmin device to another

top of that .. u can't use it ..
but u can load from underground web ..
it is impossible to load from the map from nuvi to your pda ..

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january 28th is the rumored release for the Moguls GPS/REV.A release, the touch is not set to get a ROM update to enable such until at least Q2 2008.
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What is your source - rumors or actual fact ??
Can anyone else confirm this - Touch not at the same time as the Mogul ???

That was my understanding based on what I have read as well. I hope to be proven wrong.

so just because the mogul came out first they're getting the update first?
this is bull****. sprint/htc's logic is ****ing trash.
sorry for the foul language but this just got me flamed. If iPhone v2 comes out within the next 4-5 months (thats what I'm hearing or something like that) and if that **** comes with all the features I need/want... then bye bye HTC.

well i hope it is soon, i would RUV to have this pupppy havin GPS. I mean the latency for gaming will be a nice improvement and FPS games will be playable via that mobile web, but GPS via tomtom and google maps will be [email protected]

well i guess the 28th wasnt the date?

GPS fix gets some media attention...finally.

Engadget posted an article today berrating Samsung and Tmo for allowibg the vibrant to ship in non-working form. Check out their editorial.
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http://mobile.engadget.com/2010/08/02/wheres-the-gps-fix-for-the-samsung-vibrant-and-captivate/

Update: We've just received an official statement from Samsung on the matter:
"Samsung Mobile is aware that under certain conditions, the GPS on our U.S. Galaxy S devices may not be meeting performance expectations. We are diligently evaluating the situation and will provide an update as soon as possible."

hopefully media attention will prompt samsung to addressing it as timely as possible

Kind of sad this is what it takes to get them to fix something. I don't think it's been determined whether it's just a software glitch, or something more serious like hardware that requires a revision. Software can be pushed to the phone, where a new chip can't.

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Kind of sad this is what it takes to get them to fix something. I don't think it's been determined whether it's just a software glitch, or something more serious like hardware that requires a revision. Software can be pushed to the phone, where a new chip can't.
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They're already aware. If you think Engadget posting this crap to their mobile site weeks after even THEY experienced their first issue with GPS is what it "takes" for Samsung to acknowledge the problem you're sadly mistaken. This is NO different from what they posted on Twitter

Am I the only one who hasn't had any issues to speak of with GPS?

The more media coverage, however late, this gets the better. Do you think apple would have moved so quickly on their "fix" were it not for the ridiculous media coverage?
I hope some more mainstream news outlets pick up on this. That might force more than a canned response from samsung.
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blanked said:
Am I the only one who hasn't had any issues to speak of with GPS?
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the only issue I've had is once I turn on gps then open maps, it freezes maps to the point of a reboot needed. Other than that the gps works great
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heygrl said:
They're already aware. If you think Engadget posting this crap to their mobile site weeks after even THEY experienced their first issue with GPS is what it "takes" for Samsung to acknowledge the problem you're sadly mistaken. This is NO different from what they posted on Twitter
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i'm sure they are working on a fix. but they are working on 2.2, launching the epic, etc. as well. i'm fine waiting for a real fix, not some quickly hacked together patch that isn't properly tested.
or cm6, whichever happens first.
= P

blanked said:
Am I the only one who hasn't had any issues to speak of with GPS?
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I wasn't at first either, but then it started. Every device has the problem, just not 100% of the time.
It will be fixed very soon, though. This is Samsung's top priority right now.

blanked said:
Am I the only one who hasn't had any issues to speak of with GPS?
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no. I also didn't have issues with the GPS.
At least, not until I began thinking that I was just missing something and tried one of the "fixes" on my device. Now my GPS reception is noticeably worse than stock.

blanked said:
Am I the only one who hasn't had any issues to speak of with GPS?
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Try this...disable "use wireless networks" under "location and security"(this will let the phone use JUST the GPS receiver), then download and install Googles "My Tracks" app. Run that app while driving a long distance, and see just how accurate your GPS is.

ultra spikey said:
Try this...disable "use wireless networks" under "location and security"(this will let the phone use JUST the GPS receiver), then download and install Googles "My Tracks" app. Run that app while driving a long distance, and see just how accurate your GPS is.
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Why would I want to disable that, though?
I don't doubt that the issue exists, but I'm not going to go out of my way to experience it. I'm no masochist...

If the phone is using Wireless Networks for a location fix in your car the accuracy would be awful and noticeably off.

heygrl said:
They're already aware. If you think Engadget posting this crap to their mobile site weeks after even THEY experienced their first issue with GPS is what it "takes" for Samsung to acknowledge the problem you're sadly mistaken. This is NO different from what they posted on Twitter
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yes - especially if other media pick up on it, and verizon & sprint catch wind of it and actually test theirs before releasing - that would be the real pressure point on sammy

At least Samsung isn't saying this is our fault or round up a bunch of competitors' phones and say they have the same issues. The fact that they say they're evaluating the situation makes it sound like the fix isn't coming any time soon.

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At least Samsung isn't saying this is our fault or round up a bunch of competitors' phones and say they have the same issues. The fact that they say they're evaluating the situation makes it sound like the fix isn't coming any time soon.
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Last time samsung had to "look into" something, behold 2 didn't get the upgrade it was promised.
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daddysays said:
Last time samsung had to "look into" something, behold 2 didn't get the upgrade it was promised.
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true, but nearly everyone knew the behold was a pile of crap from the get go.
the galaxy s is launching in over 100 countries, including every major carrier in the US. they are projected to sell over 10 million handsets. samsung lives or dies by this phone, IMO. i can understand frustration from their previous handsets, but if they drop the ball on the galaxy s, they might as well get out of the business all together.

Xoom vs iPad 2

Hello fellow Xoom enthusiast , I just wanted to know what are some things your guys wanted me to address when I compare the Xoom and the iPad 2 when it comes out of friday. I will be making a comparision video and I want to get you guys/girls input.

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Hello fellow Xoom enthusiast , I just wanted to know what are some things your guys wanted me to address when I compare the Xoom and the iPad 2 when it comes out of friday. I will be making a comparision video and I want to get you guys/girls input.
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If someone can tell if the wifi only xoom has full GPS support. i'll be getting a wifi only xoom as soon as its available.
Thanks

kiwiruss said:
If someone can tell if the wifi only xoom has full GPS support. i'll be getting a wifi only xoom as soon as its available.
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yes it has gps support

Web browsing, music players, office/pdf viewing (if you can), & chatting via camera in Gtalk and Skype...
Thank you.

SmokeMasta said:
yes it has gps support
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He want's to know about full gps support.
With full GPS support, you can be located on the earth via satellite without the need to be connected to a wifi or mobile network.
From what I have read on this site, The wifi-only Xoom is getting full gps. This doesn't mean you can go into google maps and map without a network seeing as how you need the data to download the map information. But knowing your lattitude and longitude, and tracking yourself on pre-saved maps will be possible on the Wifi-only Xoom without a network.
As of this moment, I don't think there is an app that allows you to save predetermined maps onto your system for you to use a GPS with later. But I bet they will be out soon seeing as how the xoom is the first tablet to have these functions.

Benchmarks are my main concern. I want to see which has the better over-all performance.

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He want's to know about full gps support.
With full GPS support, you can be located on the earth via satellite without the need to be connected to a wifi or mobile network.
From what I have read on this site, The wifi-only Xoom is getting full gps. This doesn't mean you can go into google maps and map without a network seeing as how you need the data to download the map information. But knowing your lattitude and longitude, and tracking yourself on pre-saved maps will be possible on the Wifi-only Xoom without a network.
As of this moment, I don't think there is an app that allows you to save predetermined maps onto your system for you to use a GPS with later. But I bet they will be out soon seeing as how the xoom is the first tablet to have these functions.
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The Google Maps that ships with the Xoom (5.0) should support offline map caching.
Reference 1: http://lifehacker.com/#!5714230/goo...r-with-3d-compass-mode-and-offline-navigation
Reference 2: http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2010/12/next-generation-of-mobile-maps.html

Acer A500 GPS not for navigating

I to have problems with the a500 gps unit. I called acer support and gues what. Acer support in the netherlands told me that the a500 wifi gps unit is not meant for navigating. They say that any problem with gps units on the acer a500 cannot be solved by acer since the gps should not be used for navigating anyway.. the guy told me i should have bought a a500 with 3g unit!.. those a500s would be able to navigate.
I have asked acer to confirm this officially via email, and i will post the email here when they do.. I'll be selling my acer...
Is the a500 wifi version really not supposed to be used for navigation?
--Edit: Acer has replied the helpdesk employee must have been mistaken. They understand the GPS unit is not working correctly and will come up with a solution... Wait and see.
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They are speaking of Google Navigation, which requires an active data connection. The gps doesn't require data to work, it just doesn't work well.
Also, this is not development and shouldn't be in this forum.

There lieing to you, though with 3g you get a faster lock with cell tower triangulation

morkster said:
I to have problems with the a500 gps unit. I called acer support and gues what. Acer support in the netherlands told me that the a500 wifi gps unit is not meant for navigating. They say that any problem with gps units on the acer a500 cannot be solved by acer since the gps should not be used for navigating anyway.. the guy told me i should have bought a a500 with 3g unit!.. those a500s would be able to navigate.
I have asked acer to confirm this officially via email, and i will post the email here when they do.. I'll be selling my acer...
Is the a500 wifi version really not supposed to be used for navigation?
Sent from my A500 using XDA Premium App Acer tells me the gps unit on the a500 is not supposed to be used for Gps!!
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Answer:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=14266519&postcount=42
Proof:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=14267565&postcount=48
Most tier 1 tech support is clueless anyway...you get better supports through the community at XDA

the gps unit on the a500 is not supposed to be used for Gps
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Sorry, but that's an incredible bull****! Why would you put a specific purpose module in a device and then claim it is not ment to be used for that specific purpose. I use my A500 with latest Sygyc and despite some screen size issues (lowest dialogue buttons are slightly off-screen) it is working perfect. Its a brand new device with a brand new OS - takes some time for developers to make apps work flawlessly with these tablets or make separate versions for them.

My gps cannot get a lock.. now acer does not want to help me... I'm selling my tablet..
How should I relocate this post?
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-edit: I have tried every trick out there (xda), but without succes, my gps just does not work...

morkster said:
My gps cannot get a lock.. now acer does not want to help me... I'm selling my tablet..
How should I relocate this post?
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-edit: I have tried every trick out there (xda), but without succes, my gps just does not work...
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Whereabouts in the world are you? If you're in the EU, you're statutory rights as a buyer are protected when it comes to faulty hardware and you should be able to claim a full refund.

True I am in the netherlands, so i think they must give me a refund, but let me first wait for their official answer in an email...
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morkster said:
True I am in the netherlands, so i think they must give me a refund, but let me first wait for their official answer in an email...
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By the time you get that email, your statutory rights will have passed!

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By the time you get that email, your statutory rights will have passed!
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I doubt it... The law covers for up to 3 years with design flaws.

GPS> Possibly faulty hardware
Hi All,
I have also had some issues with the GSP on my a500. Essentially the GPS has been completely unusable. Using an app like GPS essentials doesn't find any satelites. Having played around with a few demo units in stores today I realised that this is not the case for other a500s. I promptly returned my device to the place of purchase for another one, and low and behold i get an almost instant GPS lock (5-10 seconds) and can find 5/6 satellites on gps essentials when indoors. I haven't even tested it outside yet! This would suggest that my original device had a hardware issue with may well be the case for some of the others having issues.

Google intends to release a stand-alone version to allow Navigation to operate without a wireless connection. But an ETA is a while away. The present version of Navigation will evidently allow non-wireless gps if you sit and wander all over your country of residence such that the map info is saved into a cache, which can be used by the built-in gps chip. I haven't tried to see if it works yet, but I did slowly but surely travel my way inside Navigation until about 3:00am the other night/morning to see if the cache size increased as I multitouched my way from Southwest Florida to Pittsburgh... the longest way possible (like passing through Oklahoma City, Midland TX, Denver... Phoenix, Flagstaff... Cincinnatti, Oxford OH...) and my cache is indeed quite large now.
I might set my a500 on the passenger seat tomorrow afternoon for a little drive to see if at the least I can travel around town.
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If you left your tablet outside with a clear view to the sky waited 20 minutes and still did not get a lock , that means that you have a defective unit and should send it to your service center.
Have you installed GPS test ? https://market.android.com/details?id=com.chartcross.gpstest&feature=search_result even if you are unable to get a lock it will tell you how many satellite is your device able to view

hiroko83 said:
If you left your tablet outside with a clear view to the sky waited 20 minutes and still did not get a lock , that means that you have a defective unit and should send it to your service center.
Have you installed GPS test ? even if you are unable to get a lock it will tell you how many satellite is your device able to view
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Thanks for the link . I can confirm that the GPS works and for me had an accuracy of 16ft while in my car. Good enough for me.

my 4th iconia a500
Hi guys i am on my 4th acer this one 16g..
first off gps does work and i navigated with it no problem as long as you have wi fi when you enter your destination...
that being said my first a500 a 32g model (futureshop canada) had lousy build uneven gaps around the screen gps would take forever to lock on ..even after all the fixes suggested on xda.. battery drainage was ridiculous fixed with renaming telephony and phone to .bak
the second acer same as first ... 3rd model was 16 g returned because of case creaking ... and finally a miracle
this unit was built may 2011 ok believe this gps fixes in 5 sec out of the box .. its blazing fast applied no updates no tweaks .its simply that good its like a different unit alltoghether ... will post pics and a video too prove this

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I doubt it... The law covers for up to 3 years with design flaws.
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Exactly my point.. in 3 yrs and 4 days he'll get a reply.. LOL!!

Fluffbutt said:
Exactly my point.. in 3 yrs and 4 days he'll get a reply.. LOL!!
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Oh, the law covers THAT too! All he has to do is record the issue within 3 years.

Hey....when you open maps.....whts the location accuracy.....I get 20 mts accuracy within 5 secs which I used for perhaps 3 min .....is my gps working fine??(i used wifi tethering from my xt720)
When I turn off agps......It says location not found and in the notification area it keeps on sayin searchin for gps??…plz reply asap!!
The piece replacement policy in india is different!
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I tried sygic, gps test, gps status, google nav... i have had a 10 sec fix once, but can't get another.. My unit is defective and needs to be repaired. I'm disappointed because Acer tells me they do not fix my unit since gps is not supposed to be used on a wifi only model...
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well has anyone tried the other "tablets" to see how accurate it could be?
Mine is the 32gb wifi version and my GPS wouldn't work at my house but I went for a drive it linked up in about 5 mins (first time) but after that it knew right where'i was every street I passed it was perfect, I'd suggest taking a drive to test out in the open where satelites can connect easier. Its a tablet.
Maybe 3.1 will solve many problems the xoom seems very smooth on 3.1