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I am done with Sense

Sense UI is slow on first-generation Android phones, and all the attempts to make it fast only result in a flaky, weird experience.
The framework and everything else is closed-source, what do you expect?
All we can do is extract the APKs and modify images and maybe tweak the AndroidManifest.xml or other xml files. Even if we can extract the bytecode (if that's what it's called for the DalvikVM), it still isn't as open as an AOSP build.
The only reason I flashed Rosie/Sense UI ROMs were to get a nice homescreen (which was slow) with nice widgets and a browser with Flash (that was slow and incompatible but still useful for simple stuff).
I would have fun with the ROM for a while, but when I needed to be productive, like Google something quickly or add a note in AK Notepad, it was painfully slow.
Android 2.2 Froyo is amazing. It has many features, the most important IMO being a reliable JIT compiler for the DalvikVM, and Flash 10.1 coming to the browser OFFICIALLY!
When the source for Android 2.2 is released and Cyanogen makes a release for the G1/Dream, I'm stuck on that until I get a super Android phone with a full QWERTY like the G1

Sense is also UGLY.
As for this flash thing... its not going to work on your phone. Compiled for a different CPU.
Nothing lost there though, flash is terrible trash that the world would be MUCH better off withOUT.

lbcoder said:
Sense is also UGLY.
As for this flash thing... its not going to work on your phone. Compiled for a different CPU.
Nothing lost there though, flash is terrible trash that the world would be MUCH better off withOUT.
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Did Flash murder you in a previous life?
It seems 50% of your posts here are about how Flash is the end of civilization?

Flash is a dreadful battery/CPU hog, and I suspect the 'net, as Apple claim, would be better off without it.
That said, given the propensity of web designers to use nonstandard, bloated, un-necessary flash widgets that break navigation everywhere in their pages, making them utterly useless to those with old machines, accessibility needs/disabilities, etc I guess it's probably better to have it than not. Flash 10.1 under FroYo is only marginally quirky on my Desire. Getting there!
Sense, OTOH, I miss... LauncherPro just isn't as pretty. But I think on older hardware like the G1, I'd agree with the OP. It's not necessary to get the most out of Android and if it's causing slowdowns, it's a bit counter-intuitive to the actual purpose of a mobile phone.

Azurael said:
That said, given the propensity of web designers to use nonstandard, bloated, un-necessary flash widgets that break navigation everywhere in their pages, making them utterly useless to those with old machines, accessibility needs/disabilities, etc I guess it's probably better to have it than not. Flash 10.1 under FroYo is only marginally quirky on my Desire. Getting there!
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How about just not visiting those websites? Most even halfway marginal websites will provide "if (no flash) then show these links instead", of the rest, you can certainly get the information somewhere else, or failing that, you probably don't want it anyway (the developer is obviously retarded...)
The big important thing to note is that the web is changing. There is MUCH MUCH MUCH less flash around than there was 10 years ago. In fact, I can't think of a single site that actually still *requires* it (except maybe a few sites hosting videos of retards doing stupid crap). I can think of a few that have flash ads -- in these cases, NOT having flash dramatically improves your experience.

Different architectures
I remember a while back that there was a bug in Sense on the Hero where the package name (com.google.maps) would be displayed instead of the actual application name (Maps).
HTC acknowledged the problem and fixed it, but that's the problem with Sense; if it were open-source, someone (probably on xda) would release a tiny patch to fix the problem. Like if Google made the same mistake in the default Launcher, it would be fixed by the devs online quickly.
And now about Flash: What!? Wasn't it built for ARM? Or do the N1 and other superphones use a slightly different architecture? This is weird...
Another problem is that there are netbooks and all sorts of smartphones with Android.
Most netbooks will have x86 processors (Intel, AMD) and though most smartphones are expected to use ARM, some might use a different architecture like MIPS, or even x86 in the future.
Normal Android applications that are made with Java are fine, but how about all the apps with native binaries built with the Android NDK?
What Google should do is implement a way to compile the same program to all popular architectures, and keep the different binaries in the APK.
Apple did something similar in Mac OS X when they switched from PowerPC to Intel... application files in Mac OS X are basically a package that holds basic information, icons, and the binaries, which make this file format similar to Android APKs, except that when someone compiles their program for OS X, both PowerPC and Intel binaries are compiled and stored in the application.
If Google does this for Android, there will be no problem with different architectures (like with Flash not being able to run on the G1)

PSP_Hacker said:
I remember a while back that there was a bug in Sense on the Hero where the package name (com.google.maps) would be displayed instead of the actual application name (Maps).
HTC acknowledged the problem and fixed it, but that's the problem with Sense; if it were open-source, someone (probably on xda) would release a tiny patch to fix the problem. Like if Google made the same mistake in the default Launcher, it would be fixed by the devs online quickly.
And now about Flash: What!? Wasn't it built for ARM? Or do the N1 and other superphones use a slightly different architecture? This is weird...
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Just like i686 binaries won't run on an i486 CPU, ARM7 binaries won't run on an ARM5 CPU. There are architectural changes that break compatibility of new binaries on old hardware.
Another problem is that there are netbooks and all sorts of smartphones with Android.
Most netbooks will have x86 processors (Intel, AMD) and though most smartphones are expected to use ARM, some might use a different architecture like MIPS, or even x86 in the future.
Normal Android applications that are made with Java are fine, but how about all the apps with native binaries built with the Android NDK?
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Not all native applications are built with the NDK. Flash is a big example -- it has a lot of HAND WRITTEN ASSEMBLY CODE. There is NO automatic way to generate hand written assembly code. Each additional platform you support MUST have its own manually written code.
What Google should do is implement a way to compile the same program to all popular architectures, and keep the different binaries in the APK.
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http://developer.android.com/sdk/ndk/index.html
Might not be a bad idea to read up on the ndk.
The applicable line is "You can also build for both architectures at the same time and have everything stored in the final .apk". Seems that they already thought of this
*** but it isn't applicable to flash since flash is partially hand-written. They could easily include the various binaries within a single APK file, but that won't happen unless they actually build the arm5 binary, which is extremely unlikely.
If Google does this for Android, there will be no problem with different architectures (like with Flash not being able to run on the G1)
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For reasons mentioned above, this doesn't help.

Your opinion on 1.0, suggestions for and FAQs about T2 Games & TOXIC 2.0

ok just wanted to put a couple of the features out there that will be in TOXIC 2.0
Android 2.3 (hopefully fully working)
Theme Chooser
beginnings of integration with T2 Games
more AOSP like
Now some of you may be wondering what T2 Games is, and that is the new game Development Company I have started. I will be working on integrating the roms I produce with my companies work to bring the best possible gaming experience to Galaxy S/Vibrant users. TOXIC will be a rom focused more on the gaming side of android and the gaming experience on the Galaxy S, and hopefully SGS II in the future.
The ETA for this rom this not set yet
I would like to here any comments on my past rom TOXIC 1.0 (I know it wasnt the best) as well as suggestions for 2.0. Also let it be noted it will NOT be CM7 based.

Base it off the official sgs 2.3. Its also a good idea to optimise the ram on this rom since games heavily rely on that. Also, we need it to take full advantage of the 90million triangles per second that the gpu is capable of. Also, good hardware acceleration and a nice look, maybe like trigger...

helikido said:
Base it off the official sgs 2.3. Its also a good idea to optimise the ram on this rom since games heavily rely on that. Also, we need it to take full advantage of the 90million triangles per second that the gpu is capable of. Also, good hardware acceleration and a nice look, maybe like trigger...
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Now just to make sure, you know that 90million is GREATLY exaggerated, and who knows what test conditions they used for that right? I honestly expect about 30-40million out of the vibrant with about 1 G pixels/s for fill rate.

ECOTOX said:
Now just to make sure, you know that 90million is GREATLY exaggerated, and who knows what test conditions they used for that right? I honestly expect about 30-40million out of the vibrant with about 1 G pixels/s for fill rate.
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Its still a greate gpu never the less and isnt being optimesed that well.

u know what? what we need is a rom fully ooptimsed for this vibrant phone, from ground up. this phone has amazing hardware, but its just that sammy cripples it. and no htc phone is better than ours, not even any 4g phone. even the atrix is still not better interms of graphics.... optimse the rom well.....

I won't switch to a 2.3 rom until there is working, accurate GPS. Even if everything else is perfect not GPS is a deal breaker for me.

My gps I broken anyway
But if you can processer optimization would be nice for gaming and maybe overclock to if you can. I think this is a great idea though

deadpass said:
I won't switch to a 2.3 rom until there is working, accurate GPS. Even if everything else is perfect not GPS is a deal breaker for me.
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Working gps is a top priority =) I won't release it without it working.
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you should have this rom run ob 1.2ghz dEfult. i always keep my phobe on 1.2ghz with the overstock kernel......and i dont notice anything any battery life..,i get 11-16 hours on avarage. thats on biwinning....

With all the people asking for OC, Id like to be the dissenting voice and ask that there be a non OC version. Plenty of people, me included, have a Vibrant that just can't handle the OC. I can't even flash any kernel with OC capabilities, even if it comes with stock voltages.

CM9 bugs

Hello there
I'm reading a lot of topics but I can't found something related with my problems.
Actually my KF have the CM9 energy 3.19.2012 ROM, but I can't see any movie on Netflix, my battery go down around 4 hrs.. And having problems with the shutdown action..
There's someone can help me?
Android v: 4.0.3
Kernel: 2.6.35.7+ [email protected] #14
CyanogenMod: Energy CM9 Kang
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CM9 does not support any HardWare Acceleration at the moment, therefore no streaming video.
If video streaming is a must, use a CM7 ROM like Hellfire.

Lord Morpheus said:
CM9 does not support any HardWare Acceleration at the moment, therefore no streaming video.
If video streaming is a must, use a CM7 ROM like Hellfire.
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thanks Lord Morpheus, and Hellfire how's work? i mean if dont have any bug or something like that?

chuchinga said:
thanks Lord Morpheus, and Hellfire how's work? i mean if dont have any bug or something like that?
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If you want to watch video, your best experience right now is probably going to be on the stock Kindle software, followed closely by a CM7 ROM. CM9 is a no-go, even with the new kernel, for watching video. Even if the video works, its just too buggy for now.

Felnarion said:
If you want to watch video, your best experience right now is probably going to be on the stock Kindle software, followed closely by a CM7 ROM. CM9 is a no-go, even with the new kernel, for watching video. Even if the video works, its just too buggy for now.
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the 3.0 kernel?

chuchinga said:
the 3.0 kernel?
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The quick answer to your question is as follows:
Stock kindle software uses a kernel (think of it like the heart of a rom) for the Android Gingerbread OS since it is in fact a modified build of Android Gingerbread. Up until recently the CM9 builds available have been also running a gingerbread kernel, however in recent days a community developer named Hashcode has produced a Kernel that is supposed to be for an ICS rom, this kernel is version 3.0 with some other numbers after it that I forget, often it is referred to as 3.0 anyways. Basically the 3.0 kernel lets us do on ICS what we can on Gingerbread, watch Netflix, Youtube, play games requiring a little more than standard graphics, etc...
Given that the stock OS is being developed by amazon and has been worked for the device you best bet for the time being is to use the stock rom and possibly modify it with the android market if you desire. Read up on the forums about what's been going on.

isaiahhhhh said:
The quick answer to your question is as follows:
Stock kindle software uses a kernel (think of it like the heart of a rom) for the Android Gingerbread OS since it is in fact a modified build of Android Gingerbread. Up until recently the CM9 builds available have been also running a gingerbread kernel, however in recent days a community developer named Hashcode has produced a Kernel that is supposed to be for an ICS rom, this kernel is version 3.0 with some other numbers after it that I forget, often it is referred to as 3.0 anyways. Basically the 3.0 kernel lets us do on ICS what we can on Gingerbread, watch Netflix, Youtube, play games requiring a little more than standard graphics, etc...
Given that the stock OS is being developed by amazon and has been worked for the device you best bet for the time being is to use the stock rom and possibly modify it with the android market if you desire. Read up on the forums about what's been going on.
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Thanks isaiahhhhh!

Htc HD2: Best phone ever

A few days ago I was looking a some older threads some 2 year olds and they were thinking of how to port android on it. And now our HD2 has been able to run android 4 on it. I think it was my lucky day I bought this device. Its one of the best devices ever made.
I am able to play GTA3 flawlessly on it which todays high end devices do.
HTC should really bring out HTC HD3 . Successor to one of the best phone ever

True. I bought hd2 abt a year ago, and lost it. And I was about to buy a new phone, but wen I started thinking abt which phone to buy, I got so confused that I just bought a hd2 once again, no one can replace it.
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What Makes Hd2 This Special...?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1644316
HD2 best hackable phone?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=915314

GTA flawlessly? ? It lags like hell on my Desire S with a second Gen CPU and 768 MB ram! How can it run smoothly on a 1st ggem?
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olyloh6696 said:
GTA flawlessly? ? It lags like hell on my Desire S with a second Gen CPU and 768 MB ram! How can it run smoothly on a 1st ggem?
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Depends on ROM and configurations.
In the past the same models phone was the same for everyone, but today the same models are completely different, thanks to their strong software customization

cheerphaar said:
I am able to play GTA3 flawlessly on it which today's high end devices do.
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I smell BS on this one...
It's a great phone for then and even now as an introduction but it's screen lacks colours and cpu/gpu are getting dated.
Mind you I still have 2 Hd2's and now exclusively use a Galaxy S which at 4"" is peeeeeeeeeeeeerfect for me especially with CM7 installed....one hand perfecto operation with swype....
Once you go amoled you see perfect blacks...
hTc seriously stuffed up with the models introduced after the HD2. There has not been one model that surpasses the legendary HD2 and that's saying a lot. Maybe next year hTc will get it right..maybe...

cheerphaar said:
A few days ago I was looking a some older threads some 2 year olds and they were thinking of how to port android on it. And now our HD2 has been able to run android 4 on it. I think it was my lucky day I bought this device. Its one of the best devices ever made.
I am able to play GTA3 flawlessly on it which todays high end devices do.
HTC should really bring out HTC HD3 . Successor to one of the best phone ever
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BULLSH1T!
I tried loads of roms and configs to get GTA3 working and nothing worked, Just kept getting lags and closes.
If you deny its a lie what rom/config you using?

GTA is working fine on the rom i got... games get at least +10fps on HWA.

Yes GTA 3 works perfectly. Try tytung or Xylographs HWA ROMS . Gettinh 45+ fps in it . Plus the battery drain is also so good. Try those roms

And yes no customizations whatever its running fast without any lags with stock in those rom
And sorry I wrote that I played that game,
. No I seldom play games but it runs flwlessly in those rom I know that

xlr8me said:
I smell BS on this one...
It's a great phone for then and even now as an introduction but it's screen lacks colours and cpu/gpu are getting dated.
Mind you I still have 2 Hd2's and now exclusively use a Galaxy S which at 4"" is peeeeeeeeeeeeerfect for me especially with CM7 installed....one hand perfecto operation with swype....
Once you go amoled you see perfect blacks...
hTc seriously stuffed up with the models introduced after the HD2. There has not been one model that surpasses the legendary HD2 and that's saying a lot. Maybe next year hTc will get it right..maybe...
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There is no BS, works fine for me as well but with bit lower settings on graphics part.
perfect blacks ? try comparing whites and tell me. so how is the backlight leaks ? how is the plastic body ? how is gps ? Don't just compare things where the other contender might excel.

TheATHEiST said:
BULLSH1T!
I tried loads of roms and configs to get GTA3 working and nothing worked, Just kept getting lags and closes.
If you deny its a lie what rom/config you using?
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Not entirely bull****.
cheerphaar said:
Yes GTA 3 works perfectly. Try tytung or Xylographs HWA ROMS . Gettinh 45+ fps in it . Plus the battery drain is also so good. Try those roms
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cheerphaar said:
And yes no customizations whatever its running fast without any lags with stock in those rom
And sorry I wrote that I played that game,
. No I seldom play games but it runs flwlessly in those rom I know that
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Not entirely true. Even with full HWA, you need to decrease the game's distant of view, visual FX, this & that to get it working without lag. Out of the box, it is laggy.

Marvlesz said:
Not entirely true. Even with full HWA, you need to decrease the game's distant of view, visual FX, this & that to get it working without lag. Out of the box, it is laggy.
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No, With hardware accelaration you can play it without any modifications. With dorimanxs rom it needed some modification to be playable but that wasnt HWA

cheerphaar said:
No, With hardware accelaration you can play it without any modifications. With dorimanxs rom it needed some modification to be playable but that wasnt HWA
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And it will still lag...
Post a video to prove it doesn't. I don't believe your claims at all. My tweaked DS with a Second Gen S2 CPU and 768mb RAM still lags. How can your S1 still be smooth?
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olyloh6696 said:
And it will still lag...
Post a video to prove it doesn't. I don't believe your claims at all. My tweaked DS with a Second Gen S2 CPU and 768mb RAM still lags. How can your S1 still be smooth?
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Simple. Bad optimization.

retsam88 said:
Simple. Bad optimization.
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Its not. I'm using a heavily tweaked ROM on my phone, (tested different types) these ROMs are greatly optimized by legendary devs. I'm using CM7/Sense etc etc, all have the same result.
I don't think this is possible for the HD2
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Okay . Ill post a make a video soon. For this Ill have to flash another ROM . I have only one HD2. I ll post a video soon. Wait.
P.S The HD2 is running adreno 200 for which it is impossible to play GTA3. plus only 1ghz processor against DUAL-CORES. Ill post a video soon just let me get done with this ROM.
I think well have a master piece as soon as Dorimanx gets to ICS HWA. He did it with GB. Lets see what monster he will create now.

olyloh6696 said:
Its not. I'm using a heavily tweaked ROM on my phone, (tested different types) these ROMs are greatly optimized by legendary devs. I'm using CM7/Sense etc etc, all have the same result.
I don't think this is possible for the HD2
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Arrogance and ignorance, have you tweaked kgsl ? have you tweaked pmem ? have you tweaked ashmem ? have you tweaked binder ? have you tweaked mm ? is the kernel using latest drivers from qualcomm/caf ?
Saga kernel is not even using 3.x kgsl, on leo which is using A MUCH older kernel, we have kgsl 3.8, so stop giving random excuses for the failure on your part.
Have you even tried playing GTA 3 on a hd2 with ics ? probably not (you don't even own one according to your sig).
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I don't think this is possible for the HD2
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Nothing is impossible fyi, just needs some time, patience and knowledge.

Rick_1995 said:
Arrogance and ignorance, have you tweaked kgsl ? have you tweaked pmem ? have you tweaked ashmem ? have you tweaked binder ? have you tweaked mm ? is the kernel using latest drivers from qualcomm/caf ?
Saga kernel is not even using 3.x kgsl, on leo which is using A MUCH older kernel, we have kgsl 3.8, so stop giving random excuses for the failure on your part.
Have you even tried playing GTA 3 on a hd2 with ics ? probably not (you don't even own one according to your sig).
Nothing is impossible fyi, just needs some time, patience and knowledge.
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Hello,
I sincerely apologize for my posts yesterday, they are rude and arrogant. I shouldn't even be in this forum.
I'm just puzzled to how GTA runs flawlessly on this phone? I have seen MANY videos on YouTube of GTA and from what I can tell, it doesn't look too impressive...
No, I never said I tweaked the ROM. I'm saying the ROMs I've used have been tweaked for performance by devs which might even have the tweaks you mentioned? We have devs like the Virtuous Team, MDJ, Capychimp etc.
Anyway, looking forward to the video.
Peace

olyloh6696 said:
Hello,
I sincerely apologize for my posts yesterday, they are rude and arrogant. I shouldn't even be in this forum.
I'm just puzzled to how GTA runs flawlessly on this phone? I have seen MANY videos on YouTube of GTA and from what I can tell, it doesn't look too impressive...
No, I never said I tweaked the ROM. I'm saying the ROMs I've used have been tweaked for performance by devs which might even have the tweaks you mentioned? We have devs like the Virtuous Team, MDJ, Capychimp etc.
Anyway, looking forward to the video.
Peace
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There you go, was kinda hard controlling stuff with one finger and all the while doing it through the camera's viewfinder. Just installed the game and started a new story, So no game *tweaks* etc applied, graphics were the default settings from the game. The phone is not overclocked.
I am already working on kgsl-3d0 v3.9 so we should see another performance bump soon
Battery is awesome too, 25 hours and still at 56% battery with no airplane mode, data on throughout, Wifi for ~12 hours.

How fast HTML5 app can be?

Dear All,
Since Firefox OS will be HTML5 based, is this likely a failure? Take a look at Facebook failure when they create their android app using HTML5 and they decided will abandon this and goes native.
They just said HTML5 isn't fast yet although Android use Webkit (which faster than Gecko anyway).
I wonder how Firefox OS can handled complicated and bulky app like we already seen in playstore today.
Thanks

HTML5 can be faster
dels07 said:
Dear All,
Since Firefox OS will be HTML5 based, is this likely a failure? Take a look at Facebook failure when they create their android app using HTML5 and they decided will abandon this and goes native.
They just said HTML5 isn't fast yet although Android use Webkit (which faster than Gecko anyway).
I wonder how Firefox OS can handled complicated and bulky app like we already seen in playstore today.
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Regarding that, you should check out sencha's response to facebook. They built a HTML5 app, fastbook [ google it please, not allowed to post outside links .... yet ] that they say is faster and more feature rich than the native ones Facebook built after ditching HTML5.
HTML5 is not necessarily slower than native an especially since FirefoxOS will be doing away with the Dalvik Virtual Machine needed for android, it should have faster perfomance and fewer requirements.
The only way we can tell for sure is by running them and comparing so let FirefoxOS come out then do the comparison and pick whatever suits you

Faster than light

The point for FirefoxOS and Mozilla, it's that it implements WebApis that works with the Hardware of the devices that has installed FirefoxOS. All the WebApis are approved by the W3C, so don't worry about what it's better between native o web, the thing is how you develop your Apps, and how you implement the power of Gecko. Do you know how much frameworks and ways to make Web apps there are?