I have seen threads like this in other areas of XDA.
I figured it would be good to have one, all purpose, off topic thread.
Hopefully this will keep conversations that are not directly A7 related from being immediately locked.
Keep it clean, no post whoring for post count, etc.
Mr Clown. Possibly sticky this?
Ok ill start this off has anyone seen the news that nivida will not be supporting harmony past froyo? What does that mean for the a7 a10?
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I haven't heard of that in the news? Like to know more about this myself.
Heard that around here a few times, and around tech sites a few times. Nvidia seems to be difficult to get any answers out of too. There were people asking about it on their forums and it didnt seem that anyone was getting any answers as to why.
That's the kind of treatment I would expect from eLocity/compal but not from nvidia
Do you think this is due to drivers issues,
Ok new off topic just want to say congrates to dexter seem hes due to be a dad.
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acid123 said:
Do you think this is due to drivers issues,
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No, I think it was just a bad management decision on nvidia's part. I can understand that they want their guys working on the new upcoming stuff, but abandoning not only the companies that used the last generation components in their products, but the users that purchased the devices not knowing that nvidia had something like this up their sleeve ... it's pretty BS. I don't see why they can't leave a small team working with the harmony boards. I am sure they have teams on the payroll that are working on projects that are useless in comparison.
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Ok new off topic just want to say congrates to dexter seem hes due to be a dad.
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Congrats Dexter!!!
Yes, heartfelt congratulations to Dexter, who has shown such patience and good humor to so many of us in this forum.
I was just thinking about how much computing power I'm holding in my hand with this crazy almost orphan eLocity A7...when compared to my first computer bought in 1991--a tank of a 486 33mhz mail-order ZEOS with a grand total of 8 MB of RAM and a 256 MB hard drive (but it had a math co-processor!) it's hard to comprehend how far we've come. That damn thing was the fastest computer around when new and cost 3 grand(!) and I had to install a CDR drive, a sound card and I can't even remember what else. I was a wiz with config.sys and autoexec.bat and made that beast last me for 7 years by crunching the hard drive beyond all comprehension. I actually ended up giving it away to someone in 1998, who went on to use it a couple more years after that.
So when we ***** and moan about the lack of true multi-touch, sd card issues, etc...just remember where we've come from and thank Dr. Moore.
lol, my first machine was a IBM PC XT
A whopping 4.77 MHz of pure 8088 processor (pre-286) power.
UPGRADED to 256k of memory.
UPGRADED to a 20 MB hard drive.
ran the electric bill up higher than leaving the microwave on for days at a time
Hey, at least it had a hard drive! Remember when all they had were two huge floppy disk drives...if you were lucky!
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lol, my first machine was a IBM PC XT
A whopping 4.77 MHz of pure 8088 processor (pre-286) power.
UPGRADED to 256k of memory.
UPGRADED to a 20 MB hard drive.
ran the electric bill up higher than leaving the microwave on for days at a time
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Mine was a 386 cant remember the other spec, windows 3.1 damn I spent almost $800 and it was a used computer, my brother had me on his prodigy account back then, windows 95 with graphic was a pleasure to see. And my first Pentium was a 70....
There was a point when disk drives were lucky too
At one point I had a Atari computer with a cassette tape drive super low tech.
Edit: have you ever seen a 8 inch floopy? Now those things were hilarious.
tumpy said:
Mine was a 386 cant remember the other spec, windows 3.1 damn I spent almost $800 and it was a used computer, my brother had me on his prodigy account back then, windows 95 with graphic was a pleasure to see. And my first Pentium was a 70....
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I remember when Prodigy was the balls lol.
there was a key stroke easter egg in the windows 95 version that brought up a picture of their developers.
Do you remember Windows 2.0? I thought I was king of the world when I got to upgrade to 3.1
Nvidia news!!!
nthknd said:
Ok ill start this off has anyone seen the news that nivida will not be supporting harmony past froyo? What does that mean for the a7 a10?
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I haven't heard of that in the news? Like to know more about this myself.
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Heard that around here a few times, and around tech sites a few times. Nvidia seems to be difficult to get any answers out of too. There were people asking about it on their forums and it didnt seem that anyone was getting any answers as to why.
That's the kind of treatment I would expect from eLocity/compal but not from nvidia
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Do you think this is due to drivers issues,
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No, I think it was just a bad management decision on nvidia's part. I can understand that they want their guys working on the new upcoming stuff, but abandoning not only the companies that used the last generation components in their products, but the users that purchased the devices not knowing that nvidia had something like this up their sleeve ... it's pretty BS. I don't see why they can't leave a small team working with the harmony boards. I am sure they have teams on the payroll that are working on projects that are useless in comparison.
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Well it seems that we were all proved wrong after yesterday.
I just read this http://www.mytabletlife.com/2011/04/13/nvidia-support-older-tegra-2-tablets-all/ and it seems that nvidia will actually be continuing with support for the harmony boards. They are also saying that they want to help the open source ROM community, but in the same breath saying that they will not provide support, 3rd party drivers, or honeycomb source... So what else do they have to offer???
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Well it seems that we were all proved wrong after yesterday.
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If they did stop, Intel with their Z brand and soon to be AMD would own the market, when Asus come out I will go with them, been buying Asus motherboard for over twenty add years love they brand, have a Eee PC and will most likely get their tablet. I still think Intel would come out ontop when Asus start to flood the tablet market..just like they netbook did..
Commodore 64 on an old 13 inch anchor crt w the twist knobs and uhf/vhf selector. nyah. make me feel old.
theres a good 4 sdks and other device roms to dig around for our ol devices ya know..
and the chipset manufacter may appreciate your end purchases in their total sales to manufacturers, they arent there to support you. theyre there to support the manufacturers embedding their chipsets. they dont have to give you answers, support or care.
..last gossip said we should see a kernel source release in a week from elocity. yeah, i'll believe it when i see it. 2 months is a pretty fair wait time from last software release tho.
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I just read this http://www.mytabletlife.com/2011/04/13/nvidia-support-older-tegra-2-tablets-all/ and it seems that nvidia will actually be continuing with support for the harmony boards. They are also saying that they want to help the open source ROM community, but in the same breath saying that they will not provide support, 3rd party drivers, or honeycomb source... So what else do they have to offer???
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the official statement from Nvidia is a bit more specific..
they will continue to support the vendors with harmony based boards, as long as they continue to release updates...nvidia will as example provide help on elocityA7 as long as the guys behind it will release updates, so if they don't, nvidia will not be able to help.
as parts of the nvidia developer kit, is protected by a NDA, the support Nvidia provides Opensource ROM developers can be limited, and only chip related..
elocity has different BT,wifi,touch and other tabs follow the same path, different hardware used for bt,wifi,touch panels... so its limited how much nvidia can provide of assistance without vendors releasing updated sources..
thats why their original "quick" statement was, to go with 3.0 alone, since most vendors now have to go 3.0, and the old ones will die quickly as they got some nasty extras like softbuttons being unused, or too low resolution for new native 3.0 apps. similar to the new sense3.0 requiring more video and resolution, and people complain because it cannot fit on old small video and resolution devices.. a pretty good explanation but no one seems to understand..
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Apple may have had its big day or two to take in the spotlight and make the competition look bad with its fancy new iPhone 4 and iOS 4.0, but Motorola isn’t going to sit there and just take it. Sanjay Jha & Friends are bringing everything they have to the smartphone party and calling all bets by publicly stating the company’s intent to launch an Android device with a 2 GHz processor by the end of this year.
That’s right, Motorola is planning a new device that is twice as fast as the iPhone 4 and faster than most capable netbooks (running 1.6 GHz or slower processors, that is). It’s clear to see what HelloMoto’s vision is for the upcoming years in the mobile industry, and the company intends to be on the front lines of this onslaught of superphones.This statement came out of Jha’s mouth yesterday at the Executives Club in Chicago and discussed his vision of the future having a focus on highly-capable smartphones that take the place of, and be mostly responsible for the demise of, mobile computing devices such as notebooks and netbooks (would this include the iPad though?). Which naturally led him into sharing this golden nugget of information.
But here’s another kicker. Another anonymous Motorola executive told Conceivably Tech that this new powerful device will essentially include everything that is “technologically possible” in any smartphone today. It will include a gyroscope and a powerful new Nvidia Tegra-based graphics processor complete with full Flash 10.1 hardware acceleration. Oh yeah, this exec also talked about 720p HD video output, HD screen resolution, and camera with more than 5 MP. This has me drooling already.
So what does this mean for you, consumer who is on the fence about iPhone 4? Could this be enough to sway you in either direction?
If Motorola truly comes out with this superphone, it quite possibly could show up as a new Droid (or similar branding) for the holidays. It would make sense, though it’s too early to predict whether or not it will be exclusively on Verizon. No matter what, news like this is what makes me so excited for the future. We have a lot of great things coming, and we’re just barely scratching the surface of what’s actually possible in the future.
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say: Unless it has a mini-nuclear battery plant it in, it's going to last about 2 hours 39 minuets and 3.5 seconds.
There comes a point when you don't need anymore power in a phone, because as it is, we're nearing the point of them being able to run Windows 7 Starter!
Actually, lets just carry iPads around and talk on them.
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say: Unless it has a mini-nuclear battery plant it in, it's going to last about 2 hours 39 minuets and 3.5 seconds.
There comes a point when you don't need anymore power in a phone, because as it is, we're nearing the point of them being able to run Windows 7 Starter!
Actually, lets just carry iPads around and talk on them.
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haha thats funny hrshycro... can you link me to the windows 7 starter.. Also id be curious to see anything if theyve been able to get win xp on here yet.. ive heard about ubuntu already. Ill search also thx
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haha thats funny hrshycro... can you link me to the windows 7 starter.. Also id be curious to see anything if theyve been able to get win xp on here yet.. ive heard about ubuntu already. Ill search also thx
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Snapdragon is faster than a lot of outdated desktop CPU's.
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Snapdragon is faster than a lot of outdated desktop CPU's.
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Yeah, my EVO is faster than my first dell desktop was (it's still running perfectly for my Grandma), my EVO also has double the ram.
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haha thats funny hrshycro... can you link me to the windows 7 starter.. Also id be curious to see anything if theyve been able to get win xp on here yet.. ive heard about ubuntu already. Ill search also thx
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Here's the linky
It's just a chopped down Win 7 for netbooks, I wouldn't be to surprised if they couldn't get it running on a smart phone, however, the architecture of the CPU is wrong.
Didn't att have a 6 inch phone running Win XP last year?
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Apple may have had its big day or two to take in the spotlight and make the competition look bad with its fancy new iPhone 4 and iOS 4.0, but Motorola isn’t going to sit there and just take it. Sanjay Jha & Friends are bringing everything they have to the smartphone party and calling all bets by publicly stating the company’s intent to launch an Android device with a 2 GHz processor by the end of this year.
That’s right, Motorola is planning a new device that is twice as fast as the iPhone 4 and faster than most capable netbooks (running 1.6 GHz or slower processors, that is). It’s clear to see what HelloMoto’s vision is for the upcoming years in the mobile industry, and the company intends to be on the front lines of this onslaught of superphones.This statement came out of Jha’s mouth yesterday at the Executives Club in Chicago and discussed his vision of the future having a focus on highly-capable smartphones that take the place of, and be mostly responsible for the demise of, mobile computing devices such as notebooks and netbooks (would this include the iPad though?). Which naturally led him into sharing this golden nugget of information.
But here’s another kicker. Another anonymous Motorola executive told Conceivably Tech that this new powerful device will essentially include everything that is “technologically possible” in any smartphone today. It will include a gyroscope and a powerful new Nvidia Tegra-based graphics processor complete with full Flash 10.1 hardware acceleration. Oh yeah, this exec also talked about 720p HD video output, HD screen resolution, and camera with more than 5 MP. This has me drooling already.
So what does this mean for you, consumer who is on the fence about iPhone 4? Could this be enough to sway you in either direction?
If Motorola truly comes out with this superphone, it quite possibly could show up as a new Droid (or similar branding) for the holidays. It would make sense, though it’s too early to predict whether or not it will be exclusively on Verizon. No matter what, news like this is what makes me so excited for the future. We have a lot of great things coming, and we’re just barely scratching the surface of what’s actually possible in the future.
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Jesus christ!!! I wonder what's going to be available when its time to upgrade ?
So when exactly did they launch a 2GHZ cell chip? Are we sure they didn't mean 1.2 as in qsd dualcore?
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So when exactly did they launch a 2GHZ cell chip? Are we sure they didn't mean 1.2 as in qsd dualcore?
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Ummm....what? Did you read it? Future releases don't have to have anything out in the wild yet, planning stages are planning stages.
After reading the leaked FroYo response and hearing about all the C&D letters Moto legal dept has been spewing out. I'm not sure I would buy any Motorola device unless they lightened up a bit.
I guess I am too much of a newbie to post links so see this engadget article for more on my point...
engadget.com/2010/08/30/motorola-says-leaked-droid-x-android-2-2-build-wont-be-updated/
Stoichiometric said:
After reading the leaked FroYo response and hearing about all the C&D letters Moto legal dept has been spewing out. I'm not sure I would buy any Motorola device unless they lightened up a bit.
I guess I am too much of a newbie to post links so see this engadget article for more on my point...
engadget.com/2010/08/30/motorola-says-leaked-droid-x-android-2-2-build-wont-be-updated/
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I'm with you dude. if Motorola is going to keep building kill-chips into their handsets, i don't want it.
Considering we're 4 months away from the end of the year and 3 months from the start of the Christmas shopping season, I would think that anything like this would have to be about to start production. I've only heard rumors of dual core and 2 GHz processors, nothing to my knowledge has become available yet. I've heard a lot of news about random tablets and stuff using the Tegra but this is the first I've heard about a Motorola phone. I don't doubt they'll make one but my suspicion is that it won't be available till around Q2 of 2011. Anything like this should be well beyond the planning stage by now if it were going to be released by the end of this year.
aush30 ,
I do have to agree with you that i dont think we will see the phone this year but i am planning on a 2ghz phone being released early in '11
As far as motorola lighting up im not soo concerned with this fact, For the sole reason that if they launch this phone ATT, SPRINT, TMobile will all have to release 2GHZ phones or push theyre research departments. Its an ARMS race with phones..
dave
dsh897 said:
aush30 ,
I do have to agree with you that i dont think we will see the phone this year but i am planning on a 2ghz phone being released early in '11
As far as motorola lighting up im not soo concerned with this fact, For the sole reason that if they launch this phone ATT, SPRINT, TMobile will all have to release 2GHZ phones or push theyre research departments. Its an ARMS race with phones..
dave
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The reason I say Q2 at the earliest is because of the electronics conventions at the beginning of the year. They'll probably show something off in January-February but it won't become available until at least a couple months later. I could be completely wrong but that seems to be the trend.
We will see when in 2011
yeah, unless there is a major breakthrough in batteries I just don't see this being a good thing
Me thinks it's a tab, not a phone.
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And what android app would take full advantage of 2ghz of processing power???
I'll bet it will make a dandy hand warmer also.
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Yeah, my EVO is faster than my first dell desktop was (it's still running perfectly for my Grandma), my EVO also has double the ram.
Here's the linky
It's just a chopped down Win 7 for netbooks, I wouldn't be to surprised if they couldn't get it running on a smart phone, however, the architecture of the CPU is wrong.
Didn't att have a 6 inch phone running Win XP last year?
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I saw pocketnow showing Windows 95 running on a nexus one.
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I'm for more power if the batteries can handle it and provide good battery life.. 1ghz is definitely enough for what we have, but never know what the future is going to bring on.
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Here is a prototype running Kal-El!
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/02/nvidia-kal-el-development-platform-hands-on-video/
Edit: Browsing with Kal-El -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yab7mv9yOm8&feature=player_embedded
Edit: Benchmark -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VATNyBTPltI&feature=player_embedded#at=36
Having a prototype running proves absolutely NOTHING about when it'll come on mass market!
Ya you're absolutely jumping the gun on this one. That's not only old news but doesn't prove (or even claim) anything we don't already know.
I really don't think we'll see them until 2012. If we do see them earlier, great. I want Tegra 3 AND Android 4.0 though. So unless the late 2011 ones have Ice Cream Sandwich, I'll still hold off. I don't trust any manufacturer enough to let them promise me an ICS upgrade. Maybe Motorola since they're all buddy buddy with Google.
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I want Tegra 3 AND Android 4.0 though.
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I'm hoping someone will buy me one as a present. Maybe that Fluffbutt, hmmmmm..
WereCatf said:
I'm hoping someone will buy me one as a present. Maybe that Fluffbutt, hmmmmm..
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I just buy my own presents. More reliable and I always get stuff I want.
.. though there are reports of Asus Padfone with Tegra3 & ICS due out for the Holidays - I'm not holding my breath though.
We wont have Android 4.0 for a while. The next version is supposed to be 2.4.
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its a real shame that tegra2 is out there now and there really arent so many apps/games for it .. and now they are prepping to get another cpu out ...
it kinda makes fell sorry for buying this tablet.
The same happens with all computer hardware. If you wait until the next great thing to come out, you'll never buy anything.
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its a real shame that tegra2 is out there now and there really arent so many apps/games for it .. and now they are prepping to get another cpu out ...
it kinda makes fell sorry for buying this tablet.
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I'll probably be selling the A500's in Mexico once the Kal-El models come out. I'll be able to sell it for about what they sell for now in the US. I'll make money and it'll be cheaper than if they bought them new here. Win-Win.
I'll have a "Looking To Buy" post in the general discussion, just keep an eye open for it around the turn of the year or when Tegra 3 tabs are available(in stores, not vaporware)
im waiting for Samsung to release a tegra 3 myself. Their tablets are expensive, but they actually support their hardware *demonic glance in Acers direction* and it actually works *laughs at motorolas non functioning micro SD port* and doesn't have so many hardware issues (read: transformer light bleed issues and failing docks)
ohhh my
I just want a new pair of heels.And matching skirt.
OK for real i do not think Acer will support this tab past honeycomb.The same goes for other oems as well.but only time will tell the truth.
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I just want a new pair of heels.
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Heels... pfft. They're way too girly for me. I use New Rock platformers myself.
The Odom Project said:
im waiting for Samsung to release a tegra 3 myself. Their tablets are expensive, but they actually support their hardware *demonic glance in Acers direction* and it actually works *laughs at motorolas non functioning micro SD port* and doesn't have so many hardware issues (read: transformer light bleed issues and failing docks)
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I may go that route myself, Samsung generally makes good products. Quality near Sony's without the megalomaniacal "make our own standards" in every package. It really sucks the patent crap between Apple and these devices. I'm really hoping that existing patent laws get annihilated soon, but considering politicians are all on the dole I don't see it happening.
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I may go that route myself, Samsung generally makes good products. Quality near Sony's without the megalomaniacal "make our own standards" in every package. It really sucks the patent crap between Apple and these devices. I'm really hoping that existing patent laws get annihilated soon, but considering politicians are all on the dole I don't see it happening.
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Ibwouldnt worry too much about patents, no one ever goes anywhere with them. As soon as one company thinks they have the other pinned, something new comes up.
Dumping the one with android on it! http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?t=3692 http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?t=3752
Second Link is full dump.
I take no responsibility or credit for this, I am just showing it on XDA for those of you who's Android souls rest only on XDA.
They are having some drama, but it's not dead.
http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?t=3620
Trsohmers is no longer on that team, I will have information from both teams, I don't care about the drama, but here is trsohmers with it flashed on his.
http://vimeo.com/28167038
http://webos-internals.org
http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?t=3327
Thanks guys, this is great, I just want to spread it to XDA, they have changed the OP, there is less info, so I will post links to the wiki and their website.
Website
http://touch-droid.com/
Wiki
http://www.fzservers.com/touchdroid/index.php?title=Main_Page
Touchdroid - Android for the HP Touchpad - From RootzWiki
Reserved for future use.
Touchdroid - Android for the HP Touchpad - From RootzWiki
Team Touchdroid is porting honeycomb for us! Get a look at their progress here:
http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?t=3327
Apparently those guys porting did the work on the nook color, these folks and more are working on it:
Team consists of @ProTekkFZS , @rhcp011235, @Framework43 & Long2know
Good luck guys, I know it will be done before I even get to know webOS
Ok gentlemen, here is the situation. The HP Touchpad can now be had for $88. I just bought two of these capacitative touchscreened 1.2 ghz dual cored and gpu equipped tablets. With a 1gb of ram and all the other guts needed, IF YOU WANT A HP TOUCHPAD AS OF MIDNIGHT AUGUST 22nd LOOK HERE!
http://gifts.barnesandnoble.com/HP-...c=AFFILIATES-_-Linkshare-_-lw9MynSeamY-_-10:1
Fact: an Ipad 2 was displayed running web os.
Fact: Honeycomb's newest edition supports the Qualcomm dual core inside the touchpad.
Fact: HP may unlock the touchpad per se, make it open source, who know's what is going to happen to it, but I know this:
Fact: the market is going to be FLOODED with these tablets, for $100 thats insanely cheap for a good email and browsing tablet that has enough speed for normal users. So, I say we spin this messy situation around and find out how doable this is, because if it isn't hard, then we could potentially have a nice honeycomb tablet with a capacitative screen, nice capacity and specs, for $88 dollars. This is insane and we should capitalize upon it!
even if nothing comes of this, I think it's worth the $88 to use as an internet slate and watching stuff on trips, soooo cheap. I mean hell I can buy a chinese android tablet that is 2.1 and has a piece of crap resistive screen for $200!! Not to mention the 416 mh processors they come with! Yuck.
For that price, I bought two touchpads. Hell I'd even use them as remote displays, computer monitor is 120 bucks...
Ok guys so I looked into it a bit, and honeycomb 3.2 is the iteration with snapdragon, the touchpad CPU, support. I know that Google has had honecomb down under lock, so I don't know whether we can get a 3.2 build without porting that as well. What's crucial here, is that the Viewsonic G-tablet, an originally Froyo device, is running Honeycomb thanks to XDA port-masters. We need to pull our resources with the G-tablet guys, the honeycomb chefs with the Xoom and Transformer, and most importantly, someone who can get us the Qualcomm supported Honeycomb 3.2! If someone could brave the bee stings and steal it from the hive(Google? ), we can get our delicious honeycomb all over our new.....Touchcomb? Honeypad? HP Combpad? I like Combpad, but maybe...Clonepad...Copypad....gotta get a catchy name for this bandwagon, I would love to see every touchpad ever made converted to honeycomb. Such a useful piece of hardware that HP paid $322 to manufacture...
That and if everyone gave their Touchpad android I'd be known as the guy at the top of a very tall hill who chucked a small ball hoping to watch it turn into boulder...to crush Appletown. Wouldn't it be awesome if everyone bought a touchpad for $88 this Christmas and slapped android it, that would piss off Steve Jobs.
IF YOU ARE FOLLOWING THE TOUCHPAD, YOU'RE GONNA LOVE THIS:
Team Touchdroid is porting Honeycomb over for us! Get their attention and tell them to stick their heads in here
Check it out:
http://twitter.com/#!/search/#touchdroid
Proof that this is one hell of a deal, check out the GPU inside the touchpad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es2iEHKUrG8
S i m p l y B a d a s s .
I think I hear a Wii screaming in agony, because its graphics suck more than a $88 tablet! This Adreno chip even does surround sound with 1080p...Suck on that consoles
MehLon said:
Anyone know if there's anywhere in the UK that's doing the fire sale? And as for porting Honeycomb over, that would make it insane
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Honeycomb is complicated, because it's closed source.
But Gingerbread/Ice Cream Sandwich/even full GNU/Linux like Ubuntu should be quite easy (as long as bootloader isn't locked in any way - I'm uninformed on that matter).
We have kernels for practically identical SoCs available already (HTC Sensation/Evo 3D). Only a matter of time I dare to say.
with the update to webos 3.0.2 68, any potential issues that may affect the ability to install android.... From what i have read on the touchdroid wiki page it looks like the device is completely open. Can anyone confirm there was no protection added... Has anyone done the update yet?
I tweeted to rootzwiki to come join us. Told them we are following their project. Dunno if they'll join but would be nice if they did.
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defo not dead, far from it so it seems...
http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?t=3620
Well I think having Android 2.35 on the Touchpad should be officially here soon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xH-ppbMJaQ&feature=channel_video_title
Mind you, Honeycomb or Ice Cream Sandwich would provide a better experience.
hotweiss said:
Well I think having Android 2.35 on the Touchpad should be officially here soon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xH-ppbMJaQ&feature=channel_video_title
Mind you, Honeycomb or Ice Cream Sandwich would provide a better experience.
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If you pay close attention, the way he is holding the camera is not the same as what is on the screen, I personally, think he is just playing a fullscreen video, and almost touching the screen for what he does.
I think this guy might be legit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t1RyqQTvyQ
lev777 said:
I think this guy might be legit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t1RyqQTvyQ
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Don't think he's legit, too convenient and closed, probably just wants the money.
Sent from my CM7 Nook Color @1200mhz
http://www.ebay.com/itm/23066458508...85087&_sacat=See-All-Categories&_fvi=1&_rdc=1
That's it for sale...
He mentioned it under the videos comments...
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/23066458508...85087&_sacat=See-All-Categories&_fvi=1&_rdc=1
That's it for sale...
He mentioned it under the videos comments...
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This guy just outwitted everyone....lol if you are desperate for it...get it and then you can claim your $2000 bounty...he gets away with instant cash!
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I can get 2.3 to flash and run through the webos emulator but it runs like [email protected]!t and i cant get the same thing going on my touch =/
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This guy just outwitted everyone....lol if you are desperate for it...get it and then you can claim your $2000 bounty...he gets away with instant cash!
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not so fast,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTLZHH50V7A
I really hope that guy pans out!
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I really hope that guy pans out!
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I do as well.
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I'm trying to get a date for the KitKat update, has anyone heard anything? I'm so on the fence about this device.
Hi,
We'll update with an ETA once we're a bit further through with development.
Very glad to hear that there is development on building out a Kit Kat update.
It's a console, i don't think you really need kitkat..
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It's a console, i don't think you really need kitkat..
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It's an android device. KitKat contains bug fixes, scaling optimizations, new ui features, bluetooth 4.0, among many other things. You definitely want the latest version of your OS.
Come on brah.
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It's an android device. KitKat contains bug fixes, scaling optimizations, new ui features, bluetooth 4.0, among many other things. You definitely want the latest version of your OS.
Come on brah.
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Also, in KitKat fullscreen apps can hide the navigation buttons.
Okay, it is now February 3rd.
Where is GameStream and KitKat?!
I'm ready to buy it, but I need these 2 things. And all I'm hearing are "it's coming soon! "
Bah.
I'm getting antsy for it as well. I'm not rooting until after KK comes...just to avoid any unnecessary hassle. The more I use it, the more I enjoy it. I don't think you'll be disappointed if you went ahead and got one.
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I'm getting antsy for it as well. I'm not rooting until after KK comes...just to avoid any unnecessary hassle. The more I use it, the more I enjoy it. I don't think you'll be disappointed if you went ahead and got one.
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I'd love to get one. But not for $300.
Weren't you going to take Pleiades up on her $170 offer? For that price it's a steal.
As I've previously indicated, we'll give a more concrete ETA on KitKat and Gamestream once we're closer to their release.
Haha, yep at that price I'll get it for sure.
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Haha, yep at that price I'll get it for sure.
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How long does it really take to implement KitKat though? It's an upgrade to the OS. What are the barriers right now?
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How long does it really take to implement KitKat though? It's an upgrade to the OS. What are the barriers right now?
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:laugh: jjprichards, have a break, have a kitkat
Seriously, you not motivating them to finish it faster with your constant asking about kitkat.
KitKat is sufficiently different to not be considered "just an upgrade" - there's some major changes to the OS going on in there.
Plus, we can't just build it and release it - with an Android device there are so many variables that need testing and retesting; then, once we're happy it has to go to Google for certification... Basically a quick turnaround is not something you're looking at here!
I dont want to bash mad catz cause their a hardware company not software and i believe they had the best intentions at heart from the start, but would it not make more sense to just bite the bullet and admit this has been a massive flop and give out 30 units to the elite development teams that are well renowned on xda and just let them sort the console out. Pretty sure they could make this devise epic in a matter of days rather than us having to wait until 2042 until any kind of releases are available which will probably be totally underwhelming
at least that way you might shift a few more units once its actually up and running correctly.
I remember when i got my jxds7300, it was a bag of crap pretty much like the mojos current state cause of the software being so poor, a few devises went to some decent devs and the source code accidently got leaked. litteraly within a day we had 2 custom roms with major major improvement virtually all bugs were fixed, compatability went up ten fold, a built to purpose key mapper for the devise and loads of cool tweeks became available, along with cwm.
i know jxds chinese and dont play by the rules but if you cant beet'em join'em. Its not mad catz fault if the source codes accidently leaked onto the web
But seriously look through every devise on xda and theirs so many cool tweeks and projects going on for virtually every devise made. Then you get to the m.o.j.o and its almost like its considered the total outcast no one wants to touch with a 10ft pole even the 3rd party charged with the android build dont appear to want to go near this console. they might be doing something but 6 months is a hell of a long time in the world of android for nothing at all which would suggest its pretty much been given up on.
Also it didnt do any harm for me, but isnt using a male to male usb to root kinda a dodgy way of us having to make this thing work? if their both usb males surely powers being sent both ways through the cable creating the potential to fry both the mojo and computer under the right circumstances. or am i being dumb again not an expert on electricity. I mean theirs a fing sd card slot. hows their not a built in bootlader that accesses the micro sd slot thats totally insane and asking for trouble
Soz if this comes across as a rant which it kinda is, but everything around the mojo seems a complete farse looking in from the outside so far. which is a massive massive shame as it had the potential for such great things. With out the xda devs on board this thing will always be mediocre
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Soz if this comes across as a rant which it kinda is, but everything around the mojo seems a complete farse looking in from the outside so far. which is a massive massive shame as it had the potential for such great things. With out the xda devs on board this thing will always be mediocre
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I heard about it pre-launch and thought it was cool, had forgotten about it until recently, but IMO this is no where near the price point to where people will pick it up, while this is worlds better than ouya, even ouya is still overpriced at 100 bucks when you have major competitors like amazon fire tv. the mojo has teh specs and some other perks but at 200 bucks it just makes far more sense to buy the much more supported fire tv and use controllers on that.
I have been a strong advocate of the Mad Catz Mojo since release, and I still think it has the most powerful components of any Android box to date and has a LOT of potential...but I have to come to the realization that the potential is lost on this device for quite a few reasons:
1. Mad Catz does not seem to "know" the device or their end users in this area.
Exactly as I put it above. They did not know how to root their own device and needed Modaco to come forward with a root method, and thank GOD for that, as without it you would quickly discover that you cannot download a single thing from the Playstore without it. But root is usually the beginning to better things. It seems like it was the one and only mod. Root was necessary, but custom recovery and a WAY to recover this device is also necessary. You just gave the general population a way to wreck the Mojo, but no way to recover from it. Nice. Feels like this was merely released and that is all. Sort of like "here you go, figure it out". You advertise on the box that this can play your Playstore purchases, but not until rooting. You guys should be rooting these before packaging.
2. Price
I never had an issue with the price, but I know others have. For a "figure it out on your own, we will not assist" type of device, maybe the introductory price should have been $199, and then dropped to $150. I fear the price is driving away potential devs...that is the price of what you are getting. The console is great, and honestly does not need to be included with that controller. It does not have a screen like the Shield. There is no reason why the joystick cannot be omitted and the price drastically lowered...maybe down to Minix Neo X7 pricetag ($130)
3. No advertising, upselling, no dev samples..
I saw a blog my someone (I will not mention his name) in which you guys were supposed to send him a Mojo and never did. He didn't care, but was upset because you guys made a promise and backed out. You didn't even contact him again. Not good. These Mojo units should have been handed out to the dev elite to help keep this box alive. If they don't have it and are reluctant to buy it, nothing is going to come of it. Get it? Ohh, and advertising is key for products. I saw you guys talking it up pre-release in trade shows, NeweggTV, etc. Then it is released and nothing. You did make that Ouya announcement two months ago....but the light is dimming. Faster items are on the way and this device is going to be forgotten before it has a chance to be remembered.
It pains me to say it, but I have now too returned my Mojo. Not because anyone talked me into another device, but because I feel the lack of support, updates, news, development, anything at all....is the doom that is the Mojo. No way to get in and install a custom rom (or even stock rom if bricked) is just asking for trouble. What if some rogue app bricked the mojo? What are you going to tell me? Send it to Canada and wait a month for you to flash it? Or do you even know how to do that?
I ended up ordering the Minix Neo X7 (I know the X8 is coming, and will probably get that as well) not because I think it is more powerful (I know it is not) but because there is a world of active development going in for the device and a dozen ways to ensure that I never end up with a paperweight down the road. If it runs emulators/movies/music well that is all I need. I wish the Mojo was the ultimate answer (in hardware it nearly is for me) but software/development/support ends up being even MORE important than the hardware contained. It's like someone giving you an 8-Core CPU but only providing software that takes advantage of one core. Ugh.
Your unbelievable zektor, first you act like a little child to me because i was saying this for a long time, and you was making stupid posts of how stupid my phone is and how stupid you must be to have a phone like mine, and more.
And now you are saying this, make up your mind.
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Your unbelievable zektor, first you act like a little child to me because i was saying this for a long time, and you was making stupid posts of how stupid my phone is and how stupid you must be to have a phone like mine, and more.
And now you are saying this, make up your mind.
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Your phone and your attitude DOES suck. I did not change my mind about that Your stupid posts compound the issue and make the Mojo less desirable...or at least the Mojo forums. Congratulations for that. You should be given a "major award". Your posts have nothing to do with mine. You were just a crybaby because you bricked yours and they had no more in stock to replenish it for you.
As for the Mojo, I still stand my ground that it is the most powerful (currently) Android TV box on the market. That is fact, not me just saying it. It is a shame the way it has turned out however with the lack of support, no development, and a weak forum with only a handful of helpful and encouraging people and one real dipstick (hint, the post above)
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Your phone and your attitude DOES suck. I did not change my mind about that Your stupid posts compound the issue and make the Mojo less desirable...or at least the Mojo forums. Congratulations for that. You should be given a "major award". Your posts have nothing to do with mine. You were just a crybaby because you bricked yours and they had no more in stock to replenish it for you.
As for the Mojo, I still stand my ground that it is the most powerful (currently) Android TV box on the market. That is fact, not me just saying it. It is a shame the way it has turned out however with the lack of support, no development, and a weak forum with only a handful of helpful and encouraging people and one real dipstick (hint, the post above)
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Oh wait i forgot, is it bed time for you little child, Yes i hear your mother yelling that you must go to bed, because you must go to school in the morning.
Sleep tight, and don't let the bedbugs bite.
I agree with zektor I biught this cuz it said was going to be rooted and was good quality but was very disappointed with the extra stuff I had to do. Not for the average person. Hes right the more people the more development from devs amd if it takes mad catz giving some free out to high level devs to make thier product better then they need to hurry up. There used to be a mad catz rep here but ive seen nothing for a while I ciuld be wrong. Maybe cause he has blno answers anymore
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I have been a strong advocate of the Mad Catz Mojo since release, and I still think it has the most powerful components of any Android box to date and has a LOT of potential...but I have to come to the realization that the potential is lost on this device for quite a few reasons:
1. Mad Catz does not seem to "know" the device or their end users in this area.
2. Price
3. No advertising, upselling, no dev samples..
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Strange that a week ago you wrote Reasons you SHOULD buy a M.O.J.O.. the mojo hasn't changed,Android hasn't changed, the community hasn't changed.. so what's changed? " because I feel the lack of support, updates, news, development, anything at all"
Well there was an update 2 days ago: http://madcatz.com/4k-coming-to-mojo/
Apart from that, it hasn't changed.
Obviously, it's not a cheap toy like Ouya, so yes less devs and I would agree with you: "No way to get in and install a custom rom (or even stock rom if bricked) is just asking for trouble. "
But I'm guessing, like rooting, madcatz can't do it or release the image due to legal reasons (it's android/nvidia's software) obviously it would be nice if it "leaked".. then yeah sure I too would try more risky stuff..
Price point I think it's great value and a complete package with the ctrlr... ie I don't like the amazon firetv controller, moga etc.
re Advertising etc, I think they are timing it, it's not cheap to advertise.. I'm guessing they are waiting to finish kit-kat/ouya everywhere before doing so? I don't know.. don't really care
"I wish the Mojo was the ultimate answer (in hardware it nearly is for me) but software/development/support ends up being even MORE important than the hardware contained. It's like someone giving you an 8-Core CPU but only providing software that takes advantage of one core. Ugh. "
Madcatz is a hardware vendor, TMK they don't do software... and that's one of their selling point, no vendor lock in.
It's like you bought an Dell laptop and returned it because Dell didn't put out enough patches/upgrade? :silly:
What community mods makes you think your not running on all 8 cores?
I mean you had a good set up... what exactly couldn't you do?
Anyway, I'm still optimistic and it's still early days, MOJO is future proof, it's spec's are still top of the line and will continue to be for a while yet.
I wouldn't be surprised if kitkat/ouya comes out closer to the holiday season.
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Strange that a week ago you wrote Reasons you SHOULD buy a M.O.J.O.. the mojo hasn't changed,Android hasn't changed, the community hasn't changed.. so what's changed? " because I feel the lack of support, updates, news, development, anything at all"
Well there was an update 2 days ago: http://madcatz.com/4k-coming-to-mojo/
Apart from that, it hasn't changed.
Obviously, it's not a cheap toy like Ouya, so yes less devs and I would agree with you: "No way to get in and install a custom rom (or even stock rom if bricked) is just asking for trouble. "
But I'm guessing, like rooting, madcatz can't do it or release the image due to legal reasons (it's android/nvidia's software) obviously it would be nice if it "leaked".. then yeah sure I too would try more risky stuff..
Price point I think it's great value and a complete package with the ctrlr... ie I don't like the amazon firetv controller, moga etc.
re Advertising etc, I think they are timing it, it's not cheap to advertise.. I'm guessing they are waiting to finish kit-kat/ouya everywhere before doing so? I don't know.. don't really care
"I wish the Mojo was the ultimate answer (in hardware it nearly is for me) but software/development/support ends up being even MORE important than the hardware contained. It's like someone giving you an 8-Core CPU but only providing software that takes advantage of one core. Ugh. "
Madcatz is a hardware vendor, TMK they don't do software... and that's one of their selling point, no vendor lock in.
It's like you bought an Dell laptop and returned it because Dell didn't put out enough patches/upgrade? :silly:
What community mods makes you think your not running on all 8 cores?
I mean you had a good set up... what exactly couldn't you do?
Anyway, I'm still optimistic and it's still early days, MOJO is future proof, it's spec's are still top of the line and will continue to be for a while yet.
I wouldn't be surprised if kitkat/ouya comes out closer to the holiday season.
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Yes, it was a nice setup and yes, I still do believe there are reasons to buy the Mojo. But, it is not future proof. It is getting older by the day (the Tegra 4) and more and more devices will have the processor (or something more powerful) built in. When that happens, the Mojo will become less exclusive and less desirable. It is also not future proof because the minute you run a rogue app that requires root and it bricks it (or you brick it in any other way) the Mojo is essentially done for. Not having a way to recover from a brick is not something that is acceptable nowadays.
It's nice to see some news. The 4k support means they are doing something. Not hearing anything for almost 3 months since ouya announcement and kit Kat upgrade has made it hard to have faith in improvements, but it sounds like it may still be coming
What is future proof nowadays things are changing at a very fast pace but I'm in no rush couldn't be happier with my mojo there may be new hardware coming but its not out yet and there is nothing on the play store that this baby won't run at this time horse before the cart
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It is also not future proof because the minute you run a rogue app that requires root and it bricks it (or you brick it in any other way) the Mojo is essentially done for. Not having a way to recover from a brick is not something that is acceptable nowadays.
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I agree about not being able to unbrick it ourselves is an issue.. but it doesn't make it less future proof IMO.
Having an active community helps.. but with android/nvidia in it, we/I can 'piggy back' on other groups for info ie shield, ouya, other T4 products.
As you may or may not know, there are very few pieces of technology that have stood the test of time.
I can name a few from personal experience here:
Commodore 64
MS Windows XP
Nokia N900 & Maemo(native linux)
The mojo & CTRLR are so versatile, I'm sure I'll still be using it well after it's product lifecycle... that's future proof!
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I agree about not being able to unbrick it ourselves is an issue.. but it doesn't make it less future proof IMO.
Having an active community helps.. but with android/nvidia in it, we/I can 'piggy back' on other groups for info ie shield, ouya, other T4 products.
As you may or may not know, there are very few pieces of technology that have stood the test of time.
I can name a few from personal experience here:
Commodore 64
MS Windows XP
Nokia N900 & Maemo(native linux)
The mojo & CTRLR are so versatile, I'm sure I'll still be using it well after it's product lifecycle... that's future proof!
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It is funny you mention the C64. Not only do I know it...I lived it I ran a BBS for many years and was a part of a demo group in the mid-late 80's for the C64. I know all well how it stood the test of time, and still own and use one (and develop on it) today. It is well documented, I can fix them, mod them (now with SD2IEC and other neat stuff) and they will essentially last as long as the hardware does.
The Mojo IS a cool system, I have never said otherwise in regard to the hardware. But I honestly cannot say that it will stand any test of time...sadly. It is a flash in the pan as compared with the likes of the other items you mentioned, *especially* the C64. It almost feels like blasphemy to put the two in the same sentence
But, Mad Catz could definitely redeem themselves if they became a little more proactive in the area in which the system's target audience resides. Namely HERE, and in other forums concerning Android TV boxes. Maybe some of there techs can get involved in conversations, provide useful tips, and check with their senior technicians regarding in depth questions that we may have. As it stands now it is a ghost town. I wonder if the Mad Catz employees read these forums and chuckle at what suckers we are for buying in. I REALLY hope that is not the case.
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It is funny you mention the C64. Not only do I know it...I lived it I ran a BBS for many years and was a part of a demo group in the mid-late 80's for the C64. I know all well how it stood the test of time, and still own and use one (and develop on it) today. It is well documented, I can fix them, mod them (now with SD2IEC and other neat stuff) and they will essentially last as long as the hardware does.
The Mojo IS a cool system, I have never said otherwise in regard to the hardware. But I honestly cannot say that it will stand any test of time...sadly. It is a flash in the pan as compared with the likes of the other items you mentioned, *especially* the C64. It almost feels like blasphemy to put the two in the same sentence
But, Mad Catz could definitely redeem themselves if they became a little more proactive in the area in which the system's target audience resides. Namely HERE, and in other forums concerning Android TV boxes. Maybe some of there techs can get involved in conversations, provide useful tips, and check with their senior technicians regarding in depth questions that we may have. As it stands now it is a ghost town. I wonder if the Mad Catz employees read these forums and chuckle at what suckers we are for buying in. I REALLY hope that is not the case.
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But you forget Zektor nothing nowadays is made to last, back in the 80 and 90 hardware was made to last 20 a 30 years, like the
Commodore 64 (and i have one with a floppy drive and a tape drive, and also had Commodore Amiga for years, still have a Amiga 2000 from
1987 and it still works.
But all the stuff that is now made is not made to last, they (the manufactures) want that you buy new hardware every view years, thats why
Android phones only get 1 a 1.5 years of updates if your lucky and then nothing, when a Samsung Galaxy S3 can run Android 4.4 KitKat easily.
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But you forget Zektor nothing nowadays is made to last, back in the 80 and 90 hardware was made to last 20 a 30 years, like the
Commodore 64 (and i have one with a floppy drive and a tape drive, and also had Commodore Amiga for years, still have a Amiga 2000 from
1987 and it still works.
But all the stuff that is now made is not made to last, they (the manufactures) want that you buy new hardware every view years, thats why
Android phones only get 1 a 1.5 years of updates if your lucky and then nothing, when a Samsung Galaxy S3 can run Android 4.4 KitKat easily.
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I can agree with you here. We live in a throw away society unfortunately. However, there are still items that are made to last, but they are "hidden gems" more or less. The vast majority of items are made like garbage, but every once in awhile you find something that is built like a rock. My Canon Powershot S80 comes to mind...which is actually quite a few years old now. Out of the items made today (in terms of these devices) the Minix is build VERY nicely, same with the Ouya. The Mojo is of decent quality, but it still feels like a hollow piece of plastic to me for some reason.
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I can agree with you here. We live in a throw away society unfortunately. However, there are still items that are made to last, but they are "hidden gems" more or less. The vast majority of items are made like garbage, but every once in awhile you find something that is built like a rock. My Canon Powershot S80 comes to mind...which is actually quite a few years old now. Out of the items made today (in terms of these devices) the Minix is build VERY nicely, same with the Ouya. The Mojo is of decent quality, but it still feels like a hollow piece of plastic to me for some reason.
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Computer cpu's are built to last, just in the past they got outdated so fast. These days you can get a new cpu and be good for a very long time and it will outlast any other piece of computer equipment. I've actually never had a cpu go bad. But at the non component level, most consumer electronics have very short shelf life.
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But you forget Zektor nothing nowadays is made to last, back in the 80 and 90.
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I don't agree, there are still companies out there that make great and out lasting products!
They add extra features that others don't, yes it's more expensive but less disposable.. like the SID chip on the C64 and the BT4/USB3,etc on the MOJO... it didn't have to be there and it's really at the manufactures risk/expense because it's their profit margin that it effects.
But it gives the company integrity for not selling out like their cheaper competitors.
I think things now are built for the lowest common denominator and only the brave step out of that.
IE: mobile phones, In Australia, it's next to impossible to buy a new mobile with a keyboard
Anyway, it's interesting