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... if nothing else... Backups/Restores take a quarter of the time!
Thats it? I have tried AOSP roms a few times but they never lasted longer then a few hours. I just keep going back to Sense, I would love to hear about what is better about AOSP vs Sense. Are those backups including system data or just apps + their data?
What I like about aosp is the increased performance and customization. I get much better battery life compared to sense roms, my phone feels much snappier and the availability of themes/mods is unparalleled. Not to mention cm7 is always being updated and has the most support of any custom rom.
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I was trying out CM7 and while it was nice there were a few things I missed from my old rom and wasn't sure if I could get it on CM7.
On my old rom the pull down has the flashlight icon so I can turn it on and off easily also I was looking for some task bar themes. I found a few but not too many unless I'm not looking in the right place.
I really hate that standard gingerbread green theme.
You can put the flashlight toggle in the notification pulldown and you can also set it to death ray which is way brighter than the sense flashlight. That also reminds me of another useful feature that was added recently, you can long press an icon in the pull down menu and it will take you to the setting for that particular feature. As far as themes, there are quite a few in the market and floating around in the themes section as well.
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*sigh* anyone who claims they are getting dramatically better battery life on an aosp rom vs a sense rom needs to actually test it and show proof. I've done testing using apps like System Panel and Battery Monitor Widget and I saw NO difference in battery drain between cm6 and my stock sense rom. Neither when idle, asleep, or while actively using the phone.
On the dinc, the two biggest battery killers by far are the screen and 3g data. And no rom is going to change that.
I'm glad that we have options but I hate when people claim things are faster or have better battery life but offer no objective proof.
My top 3 reasons.
1. Increased speed/responsiveness.
2. DSP Manager, in 2.3 you get bass boost, once sense hits 2.3, it may have it too however. But for the time being. AOSP only.
3. The super bright flashlight! Seriously, probably the second most used app on my phone, next to SMS.
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Hm sorry if I don't want to spend my time making graphs and charts, doing testing etc, so I can "back up" my opinion that battery life and performance is better on aosp as opposed to sense.. As I see it, sense offers fancy graphics and social integration but of course uses more CPU and therefore battery as well. If this is a ridiculous claim I apologize.
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I'd say its more dependent on what services you use in sense. Like friend stream, news, stocks, weather, and such. And how often it updates, how many live widgets you have etc. And AOSP ROM's typically don't have as much to sync, and less stuff running all the time. Hence the better battery life. Also depends on the kernel you use.
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I'd say its more dependent on what services you use in sense. Like friend stream, news, stocks, weather, and such. And how often it updates, how many live widgets you have etc. And AOSP ROM's typically don't have as much to sync, and less stuff running all the time. Hence the better battery life. Also depends on the kernel you use.
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True, those things in sense are optional and not using them or syncing them less often could help but that kind of defeats the purpose of using a sense rom.. Not to mention that the framework that allows those things to work is still running in the background even if you're not using those services. AOSP kernels do seem to have better support as well.
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This may be completely shallow of me, but I HATE Sense's visual style. It's just too cartoony for my liking. Too me it looks like something that belongs on a children's toy, not a legitimate piece of consumer electronics. It's an ugly, cartoony battery hog. I know that some people think that AOSP Android looks "boring", but I greatly prefer it to Sense.
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This may be completely shallow of me, but I HATE Sense's visual style. It's just too cartoony for my liking. Too me it looks like something that belongs on a children's toy, not a legitimate piece of consumer electronics. It's an ugly, cartoony battery hog. I know that some people think that AOSP Android looks "boring", but I greatly prefer it to Sense.
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that may be true, but sense was made to be usable in a smartphone SENSE. AOSP is very boring, and a battery hog on gingerbread. Until it is released for the inc, we are just using someone elses build. It is easy to come in here and blast something in which you dont like, but I ask, if you hate sense, why did you buy the dinc in the first place? You obviously have the wrong phone. to come in here and bash this phone because its too "cartoon like", is kind of stupid, since you bought the phone. I personally get much better battery life off of the sense 2.0 z roms than I do off of cm7. I really cant stand people who just bash a rom, just to bash. Everyone has there own preference, why not just leave it to that. If the sense roms are so cartoony, why the hell did you buy the phone, you look like an idiot for bashing a phone you paid alotof money for dude.
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that may be true, but sense was made to be usable in a smartphone SENSE. AOSP is very boring, and a battery hog on gingerbread. Until it is released for the inc, we are just using someone elses build. It is easy to come in here and blast something in which you dont like, but I ask, if you hate sense, why did you buy the dinc in the first place? You obviously have the wrong phone. to come in here and bash this phone because its too "cartoon like", is kind of stupid, since you bought the phone. I personally get much better battery life off of the sense 2.0 z roms than I do off of cm7. I really cant stand people who just bash a rom, just to bash. Everyone has there own preference, why not just leave it to that. If the sense roms are so cartoony, why the hell did you buy the phone, you look like an idiot for bashing a phone you paid alotof money for dude.
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First of all I didn't buy my Dinc, I received it as a gift this past Christmas. I didn't get to choose my phone or my carrier. I love the Incredible but I hate Sense. And I'm getting better battery life with CM7 then I get with any Sense based ROM. You talk about people having they're own preference and leaving it at that, why don't you take your own advice ans stop insulting people for having a different opinion than yours?
I came from a Droid 2 and I'll definitely say sense>blur but was mainly attracted to the Inc because its fully unlockable and has goo(d dev support. Getting better battery and gingerbread is just a bonus.
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First of all I didn't buy my Dinc, I received it as a gift this past Christmas. I didn't get to choose my phone or my carrier. I love the Incredible but I hate Sense. And I'm getting better battery life with CM7 then I get with any Sense based ROM. You talk about people having they're own preference and leaving it at that, why don't you take your own advice ans stop insulting people for having a different opinion than yours?
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We all have choices, your the one who commented in a thread on how much you HATE something. I dont really care if you like sense or not, but i have children, i suspect you may not, i teach them not to use that word. Had you not used it, i probablt would have never said anything. The problem with our society is all the HATE going around.
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I've been doing some tests on CM7 recently... with my battery life.
I have the stock battery, using Tiamat 3.3.8, -25 UV. I don't use any self-updating widgets other than Fancy Widgets Home for weather and clock. On my second page I have SuperManager widget for monitoring free RAM, not saying it helps battery life, but definitely with performance. OC'ed at 1113, and using performance governor. LauncherPro Plus is my default launcher...
Yesterday when I went to sleep, my phone had been off of the charger for 13 hours plus, and I was still at 51%.
Perhaps I don't use my phone as much as ya'll... but I browsed internet for a good 45 minutes.... sent and received a total of about 50 text messages.... got about 4 emails (everything on autosync) and tweaked some settings in launcher pro.
Maybe it's because I stopped using so many autoupdating widgets, but the last week I have been seeing a dramatic improvement.
I find CM7 to be faster than Sense... until I load it up with widgets. Beautiful widget clock, calendar widget, contacts widget... Once I've added these, CM7 is noticeably laggier and generally slower than Sense.
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We all have choices, your the one who commented in a thread on how much you HATE something. I dont really care if you like sense or not, but i have children, i suspect you may not, i teach them not to use that word. Had you not used it, i probablt would have never said anything. The problem with our society is all the HATE going around.
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And you don't think that's overreacting just a little? I didn't say I hate a person, I said that I hate a custom UI on a mobile operation system. The thread is about AOSP vs. Sense, and I simply commented that I greatly prefer the look and feel of AOSP Android to the look and feel of sense. I don't hate everything about sense, I like the flip clock widget and HTC's camera app is great, but the fact is that I do hate Sense's visual style and think that it is better suited for a children's toy then an actual piece of consumer electronics.
Up time, or time off the charger, means almost nothing, considering you'll only lose a percent every 2-3 hours. You guys need to look at your AWAKE time, time you are actually using the phone. I find I can typically get about five hours of awake time out of a full charge on my sense Rom. Cm7 gave me fourish, I don't recall what cm6 was but I know it wasn't as bad as 7.
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My top 3 reasons.
1. Increased speed/responsiveness.
2. DSP Manager, in 2.3 you get bass boost, once sense hits 2.3, it may have it too however. But for the time being. AOSP only.
3. The super bright flashlight! Seriously, probably the second most used app on my phone, next to SMS.
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I have all three of these features on skyraider 4
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I hate the new color. What do you guys think?
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Agreed. In fact I can't find a single thing changed that I actually like more than how it was before. The whole new theme is a step backwards
I like it better but that's just me. The coloration is a bit closer to the Honeybread theme that I have running on my NC. The dark status bar, the new dialer, new social media widget, all are more to my liking. To each his own though.
I like it.....
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i would prefer a choice of a darker theme. i don't like my phone to be super bright.
I think it looks nice. I love it.
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I really love the new look of Blur on Gingerbread, I think they did a fantastic job, and it will make the phone an easier sale on the sales floor as it will catch new customers attention.
most of the colors are lighter IMO, because our screen is more efficient with whites instead of blacks. our pentile screen actually has a white subpixel, which means that if we use more whites, our battery life is better because the phone isnt turning on all of the other pixels to make white.
I think its ugly as hell too. Just needs some theming.
I like the dark notification bar. I really like the stock Android theme. Wish we had the option of using it.
I'll take this over their froyo theme, and I really like the dark blue. But the white menus are just ugly.
I am hating the new update
I just feel my phone looks so cheap and the design is very raw. I did not like the edgy menus. I some how feel Eww... Very bad job MOTO, its does not look professional at all...
It's called "theme your phone".
Personally i think it looks a lot better now. Before it just looked old now it looks much cleaner
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It's called "theme your phone".
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agreed, this is pointless. just ranting about motos ui isnt going to do anything.. everyone has their own opinion on it, i love it. moto blur has been the same since release. pretty much that said. same color etc. it is nice to see moto change thing up a bit if you ask me. they had to do something, every other company did, samsung, HTC, lg didnt really lol but sony did as well.
I like the new setup better than the old. Sure there are somethings from froyo that I liked, but overall this update appeals more to me.
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I think it sucks and I don't like anything about it, but that's just me. I especially hate the look of the notification bar. I couldn't figure out what the black square with a checkmark in it was for. Then I finally figured out it was the alarm symbol (the old symbol actually looked like a clock). I used to be able to easily see the "H+" and "E" symbols. Now it's an ugly grey square with a microscopic H that looks like a symbol for a floppy disk.
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lol..I like it to, I think the whole update in General is a nice modernization<<<if thats a word...of the whole phone...
Quit whining about the theme, put on your big boy pants and theme your phone!
If you're unfamiliar with how to do this, I suggest you head over to the development and theming boards to grab some insight. Nottach has some brilliant themes he's ported that should remedy your hatred toward moto's UI.
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Quit whining about the theme, put on your big boy pants and theme your phone!
If you're unfamiliar with how to do this, I suggest you head over to the development and theming boards to grab some insight. Nottach has some brilliant themes he's ported that should remedy your hatred toward moto's UI.
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Amen
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I've found myself truly wondering why so many android developers don't seem to offer an inverted option for their apps. I mean, look at all the inverted apps that float around out there. I can't imagine that Google is doing it for the same reason that say, Facebook is - by that, I mean that it's a brand thing for many companies. For smaller apps, and ones where it really doesn't matter what the colors are (most of Google Apps are a good example), why don't the devs offer a light and a dark version at least? I suspect it would make a lot of users happy if there was a standard options for this in any app....
Personally, I prefer the dark apps. Less white on the screen saves battery (a little, at least), and to me it just looks better. But hey, I'm not necessarily the poster boy for everyday users.
Maybe it's just a time/money thing? Takes more time and money to develop two sets of display options? Anyone have better insight into this? I've never spent much time theming android apps, but I know reworking web styles can be a pain, so I don't necessarily blame the devs for delivering one option only. It would be nice to have the choice though.
On the Nexus 7 display having light or dark pixels will not affect battery life at all.
And I guess not a lot of people request it to be in Roms so the devs don't include them.
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I totally want more inverted apps!
which apps are inverted?
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which apps are inverted?
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Love inverted...they are the best.
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I was just under the impression that since jelly bean is so clean & crisp visually, inverted apps aren't really needed/requested too much
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I too would like more inverted apps!!
So instead of hijacking the other Aviate thread that is mainly for being wanting to try it I decided to start this one. How does everyone feel about Aviate? How many are still using it? Any cool/nice features that some may not know about? Lets hear what you all think!
What I've learned from aviate is that apparently I'm a control freak. It's very hard for me to let the launcher make decisions for me. That being said, the idea is pretty amazing. I can see why there is so much excitement surrounding it.
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I feel the same way. It's almost like being whipped by a significant other, it tells you what to like whether you do or not but yet you can't seem to pull yourself away. I'm intrigued.
It's restrictive and boring to me. I'm passing on it personally. I don't understand the hype. Android is about having options and being open, not closed lol.
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It's restrictive and boring to me. I'm passing on it personally. I don't understand the hype. Android is about having options and being open, not closed lol.
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I think the argument here would be that this is an option that wouldn't be available on other platforms because of Android being so open.
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I lean more towards stock because I can control it more, but Aviate is pretty nice so far (after 1 day). I think I like it more than Themer themes because of the way Aviate organizes apps. Aviate is fairly customizable, with a dark and light theme. You can sort apps however you please, granted it will be in the bins that Aviate provides for you.
I haven't really used the Spaces feature much. I've just been forcing it to play by my rules. It seems like it suits minimalists like me, but I'll give it a few more days.
I run it on my G2 that I use for work (Yes, I have two G2's. I know I know lol), and I gotta say it really does help me there. I would like it to be more customizable though, and be able to set more specifically which screen should open when.
Having fast access to my meetings while I'm in the office is great. Getting the GPS with all my team-mates locations on when I'm out would be great, along with our collected GPS-tags. Then a more entertainment-oriented screen when I'm at home.
In short, I like the concept, but I would like to be able to change what content it presents more.
I like it. It's clean, quick, I don't worry about all the customization I've been obsessing over.
The current places, apparently from foursquare is entertaining.
If you want to change it you don't get it.
I love the cleanliness. One feature I would like is to turn the collections off And have home and apps. Even get rid of the letters etc so it's a bit more like launcher 7.
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It's very pretty - after messing around with it for about 15-20 minutes, i have the following short wishlist:
1) Would love to have the ability to set the homescreen photo to rotate.. but I guess I could do that with a widget.
2) I'd also love to see custom icon packs on this, would give it a much cleaner look.
Overall, I'm just not feeling the lack of customization. I've been using Action Launcher Pro for months now (HIGHLY recommend it), and this seems so stripped down in comparison.
Good idea but...
It looks nice, it's fluid and I like the idea of different workspaces depending on where you are and what you are doing.
But I stopped using it for a few reasons:
It keeps thinkin that I am at a bar because the office is located right above one. And at home, it thinks that I am at the library in the next building.
It left aligns all my icons which makes it difficult for me to reach them as I am right handed like 66% of the population.
I miss the double-tap functionality to turn off the phone.
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[*]I miss the double-tap functionality to turn off the phone.
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To turn the phone off you double tap on the notification bar. This was almost a deal breaker for me as well until I saw someone mention this is the other thread.
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To turn the phone off you double tap on the notification bar. This was almost a deal breaker for me as well until I saw someone mention this is the other thread.
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It's easier for me to re-place the phone in my hand to push the power button than to reach the notification bar
But thanks for the tip. It's good to know in any case!
I seemed to have more battery drain with aviate. Pretty nice launcher though. Wish it was more customizable
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Seeing some of the review videos on lollipop, including the Nexus 6 review, EVERYTHING is white on lollipop! The notification drop down, the background for all settings, and even the app drawer!
http://link.tapatalk.com/api/click?...rs.com&subid=cfcd208495d565ef66e7dff9f98764da
Besides being ugly as sin, that's going to be a significant drain on the battery! With the nexus 6 using an amoled display, why would they implement something so counterintuitive? One of the beauties of the moto x is how all the menus, app drawer etc look so elegant in black. On top of saving display energy usage.
I've searched everywhere looking to see if the theme would be customizable and there's nothing to suggest so. Comments?
I wouldn't worry about it. I don't think anyone spends a big amount of time in the notification area, drawer, or in the settings
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Seeing some of the review videos on lollipop, including the Nexus 6 review, EVERYTHING is white on lollipop! The notification drop down, the background for all settings, and even the app drawer!
http://link.tapatalk.com/api/click?...rs.com&subid=cfcd208495d565ef66e7dff9f98764da
Besides being ugly as sin, that's going to be a significant drain on the battery! With the nexus 6 using an amoled display, why would they implement something so counterintuitive? One of the beauties of the moto x is how all the menus, app drawer etc look so elegant in black. On top of saving display energy usage.
I've searched everywhere looking to see if the theme would be customizable and there's nothing to suggest so. Comments?
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There is an xposed module to convert white holo to dark, and probably it will convert white material to dark. On LCD white looks better but on AMOLED I prefer dark too
Afaik there will be dark theme for amoled.
I don't know where I read it but I read it somewhere. A few weeks ago.
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Lol kidding right?
I actually like the white holo, looks great
And i think google engineers knows a little more about performance/battery of smartphones than us... But just a little !
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I actually like the white holo, looks great
And i think google engineers knows a little more about performance/battery of smartphones than us... But just a little !
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Well it doesn't take an engineer to know a light background that requires an amoled screen to display uses more energy than a dark one where the pixels shut off. But that's that I suppose..
I'm running the latest preview on my N5. Yeah, it's white. Battery life? Much improved. Surprisingly so. I've no doubt the improvement in battery life will carry over to the X. I know there isn't a whole lot of room for improvement in performance on the X but it has made a startlingly difference on my N5. Sucks your not a fan of the design but for those of us that like it, it's an amazing upgrade. One I can't wait to experience on my X.
Edit: I understand your concern that the difference in display technologies will make the improvement in battery life mute but I can't imagine white backgrounds making that big a difference.
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I'm running the latest preview on my N5. Yeah, it's white. Battery life? Much improved. Surprisingly so. I've no doubt the improvement in battery life will carry over to the X. I know there isn't a whole lot of room for improvement in performance on the X but it has made a startlingly difference on my N5. Sucks your not a fan of the design but for those of us that like it, it's an amazing upgrade. One I can't wait to experience on my X.
Edit: I understand your concern that the difference in display technologies will make the improvement in battery life mute but I can't imagine white backgrounds making that big a difference.
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Well my real issue with it is its ugly as sin. Makes the os look like a 90's windows based system with the white behind the app drawer. Whites look terrible on amoled, blacms look so clean and elegant. Oh well...
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I'm not. Do I spend two hours or more in the notification shade at one time? no. do i spend 2 hours or more just in the settings? no. do i spend 2 hours or more on the google launcher app drawer? no. people need to relax, it won't be THAT bad. i am sure many of us are in apps that are light in color
edit: there are other factors that decrease battery life. i doubt you're constantly on a white screen for long periods of time. even with it being white, i am still sure amoled consumes less than lcd
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I'm not. Do I spend two hours or more in the notification shade at one time? no. do i spend 2 hours or more just in the settings? no. do i spend 2 hours or more on the google launcher app drawer? no. people need to relax, it won't be THAT bad. i am sure many of us are in apps that are light in color
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Every area of navigation in the os is white. I spend plently of time navigating my phone. No one needs to relax. If I don't like it I don't like it, and have the capability of voice that opinion
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Every area of navigation in the os is white. I spend plently of time navigating my phone. No one needs to relax. If I don't like it I don't like it, and have the capability of voice that opinion
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i am all for opinions, but the OS being white shouldn't "freak" everyone out if you have AMOLED screens. i interpreted your first post wrong and thought you were very upset to the point where you'll rage , hence why i said some need to relax a bit. i still stand by my opinion that i don't think battery is going to go down the drain. remember Project Volta, maybe that'll help a bit too. good discussion :good:
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i am all for opinions, but the OS being white shouldn't "freak" everyone out if you have AMOLED screens. i interpreted your first post wrong and thought you were very upset to the point where you'll rage , hence why i said some need to relax a bit. i still stand by my opinion that i don't think battery is going to go down the drain. remember Project Volta, maybe that'll help a bit too. good discussion :good:
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The battery aspect is secondary to me. It just seems counter intuitive to make a nexus device with an amoled screen and widdle down one of the big benefits of it.
My main concern is IMO its ugly as all hell. Material design looks fantastic. But the white folder type backgrounds reallyblook out of place and dated. Of course others may love it. I just hope/wish they give an option for a dark theme..
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The battery aspect is secondary to me. It just seems counter intuitive to make a nexus device with an amoled screen and widdle down one of the big benefits of it.
My main concern is IMO its ugly as all hell. Material design looks fantastic. But the white folder type backgrounds reallyblook out of place and dated. Of course others may love it. I just hope/wish they give an option for a dark theme..
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i am on the fence with it. i agree, white isn't a good color, but idk if black would be a matching color for the home screen. heck, why doesn't Google just allow us to change the background app drawer page to whatever color we want. problem solved . looks like i will just have to endure the white (at least it isn't completely hideous lol)
Material Design is gorgeous. My eyes will be happy once devs get on top of that, not just Google
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i am on the fence with it. i agree, white isn't a good color, but idk if black would be a matching color for the home screen. heck, why doesn't Google just allow us to change the background app drawer page to whatever color we want. problem solved . looks like i will just have to endure the white (at least it isn't completely hideous lol)
Material Design is gorgeous. My eyes will be happy once devs get on top of that, not just Google
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Exactly. I think by this iteration of android we should be able to have a color theme choice. Or an inversion mode to black out whites.
There were people that didn't like ICS/Kit Kat too. Deal with it.
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There were people that didn't like ICS/Kit Kat too. Deal with it.
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This is the biggest change to the ui theme. ICS and KitKat didn't have this many changes. This is how I'm dealing with it, thank you.
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This is the biggest change to the ui theme. ICS and KitKat didn't have this many changes. This is how I'm dealing with it, thank you.
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Gingerbread to ICS was a much bigger change. You're welcome.
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Gingerbread to ICS was a much bigger change. You're welcome.
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Not even close. Gracias!
We need a black theme because some of us are loving it, and because of this : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=56201295