I've seen lots of threads about what SBC does, why it's bad, yadda yadda... but the point of this one isn't about that. I understand what it is and I understand the risks, and I'd like some input from people that have still been using them.
The first time I used a nightly of CM7 I flashed a SZ kernel not knowing it was SBC. I was blown away at the battery life I was getting. Some fellow Android enthusiast coworkers were convinced that something was 'wrong' with my phone when it took about an hour to drop from 100% to 99% -- and after about 16 hours I was over 60% still. It wasn't until later on that I stumbled upon some "SBC is bad, mmkay" posts/threads and horror stories of melting batteries and ruined phones. I immediately stopped using the SBC kernel.
The only issue that I ran into was that apps would occasionally seem to "time out" -- including system stuff. For example I'd try going to "Settings" and the screen would just dim like it was about to load or change over, and nothing would happen. Or I'd open Wordfeud and it would just be a black screen, like it didn't want to load. Typically I had to force stop it and reload it, then it'd work. That drove me insane. I don't know if it was related to the SBC, might have just been the kernel vs the ROM. Any input about that is appreciated.
Anyway... who has been using SBC kernels without any issues? It seems to me like if you're just smart about it (i.e. not leaving the phone charging all day long) then you shouldn't have issues (even though of course the risk is still there). I'd imagine there's quite a few XDA'ers that use SBC kernels because of the incredible battery life. You're the ones that I want to hear from.
Ill throw my opinion on this one...
Ive been using them since day one...never once had an issue. I beat the hell out of my phone and get great battery life with the stock battery. Ive tested different setups & combos of background data syncing...to this day I have not found any negative effects on my phone/battery. I leave it on the charger for about 8 hours per night when I sleep...if I dont stream music for 8 hours straight, I get about 8-11 hours of life out of my phone before needing to charge.
Here is my current battery usage on a SBC kernel. Currently at 82%
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I'm using savaged Zen on CM7 SBC and charge for 8 or so hours while I sleep. It reaches a full charge after 2 of those hours so the rest of the time it is just trickling. That is the only time I charge it and have never had an issue with SBC.
I've been using sbc kernels since the beginning. Never had an issue. I have the Sprint extended battery and get 2 days battery life with moderate usage. I play games, text, phone, internet and surf the market quite a bit. Right now my phone has been off the charger for 16 hours and I still have 60% battery left. It was sitting idle in my locker at work for 8 hours but other than that it has been pretty steady usage.
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First of all I'll say that I was a part of the people that believed that the SBC kernels should have a warning disclaimer back when that was going on.
Now that is out of the way...
I had received an extra brand new battery with my replaced Evo.
So I decided to start using the SBC kernel's because I figured that if the battery went...who cares... I have a brand new replacement.
I will stop now and say that I've done the HTC calibration talked about here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=712990
I was using the SBC kernel for a good few months and although the battery life was better it started declining.
I, of course, re-calibrated the battery but that seems to not help either.
So, did the battery's life fail due to the SBC kernel?
Don't know.
Not going to make that claim.
Just chiming in.
Using a 3000 mAh I get a good 16 Hrs using the SBC more aggressive blah blah blah, and I am always on my phone streaming radio, web and texting.
mattykinsx said:
First of all I'll say that I was a part of the people that believed that the SBC kernels should have a warning disclaimer back when that was going on.
Now that is out of the way...
I had received an extra brand new battery with my replaced Evo.
So I decided to start using the SBC kernel's because I figured that if the battery went...who cares... I have a brand new replacement.
I will stop now and say that I've done the HTC calibration talked about here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=712990
I was using the SBC kernel for a good few months and although the battery life was better it started declining.
I, of course, re-calibrated the battery but that seems to not help either.
So, did the battery's life fail due to the SBC kernel?
Don't know.
Not going to make that claim.
Just chiming in.
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What battery doesnt start to decline?
No problems here.
aimbdd said:
Lucky you. What battery doesnt start to decline?
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Of course but I'm talking about 10 to 12 hours and now 6 to 8...
Lol... another one of these?! I get a bazillion hours of battery life when my phone just stands there and does basically nothing too. Who doesn't? Get out of your caves people and call someone. I want to see those batteries then.
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Get out of your caves people and call someone. I want to see those batteries then.
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Huh?????
Cat
hes saying anyones phone can last a long time while not being used, this thread needs to go away
I think what he means is, what kind of battery life do you get when using your phone hard? I have tried SBC and Non-sbc, but have not really noticed any difference. I am either surfing the web or playing games CONSTANTLY on my phone during the day, due to the nature of my job. I literally log 6+ continuous hours of surfing per day and, for me, the sbc kernels do not make an appreciable difference. This is not meant as a criticism, it is simply an observation of real-world results on my phone. I get up at 4:30 every morning. Phone comes off charger at 4:50 every morning. By 10am, I am plugging my phone in, cause I am down to 15%...maybe 15 minutes earlier, maybe 15 minutes later, but right around 10am. The kernel I use makes no difference with this. With that said, the kernel I use makes a BIG difference in my ENJOYMENT of that time. My phone has been really happy with anything other than stock. SZ is a close second, but none are as good as htc 15 for me (specifically at issue are screen-tearing in webpages, and smoothness of scrolling. When I was trying out netarchy, I had constant fc's of the browser and had to stop. I am sure the problem is in my phone, but that doesn't make it any more usable. None of the king kernels work well for me, causing tones of fc's and random reboots). I am currently living with stock cm cause it is stable, and I am feeling too lazy to flash a kernel just for some screen-tearing. I know. Pathetically lazy.
iitreatedii said:
hes saying anyones phone can last a long time while not being used, this thread needs to go away
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And if I turn my phone off I use practically no battery...?
At any rate, a comment like "this thread needs to go away" is EXACTLY why threads about this subject usually explode.
No one here has said anything ridiculous, just trying to discuss.
You're welcome to NOT be apart of a thread if you don't like it.
Go beg for thanks elsewhere.
tejasrichard said:
I think what he means is, what kind of battery life do you get when using your phone hard? I have tried SBC and Non-sbc, but have not really noticed any difference. I am either surfing the web or playing games CONSTANTLY on my phone during the day, due to the nature of my job. I literally log 6+ continuous hours of surfing per day and, for me, the sbc kernels do not make an appreciable difference. This is not meant as a criticism, it is simply an observation of real-world results on my phone. I get up at 4:30 every morning. Phone comes off charger at 4:50 every morning. By 10am, I am plugging my phone in, cause I am down to 15%...maybe 15 minutes earlier, maybe 15 minutes later, but right around 10am. The kernel I use makes no difference with this. With that said, the kernel I use makes a BIG difference in my ENJOYMENT of that time. My phone has been really happy with anything other than stock. SZ is a close second, but none are as good as htc 15 for me (specifically at issue are screen-tearing in webpages, and smoothness of scrolling. When I was trying out netarchy, I had constant fc's of the browser and had to stop. I am sure the problem is in my phone, but that doesn't make it any more usable. None of the king kernels work well for me, causing tones of fc's and random reboots). I am currently living with stock cm cause it is stable, and I am feeling too lazy to flash a kernel just for some screen-tearing. I know. Pathetically lazy.
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All I'm saying is the overall capacity of the battery declined, and quicker than it should, after using the kernel.
I'm not saying that the kernel caused it.
All I'm saying is, that's what happened.
iitreatedii said:
this thread needs to go away
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Or just you.
The purpose of this thread was to talk to people that have been using SBC kernals and haven't had issues.
I guess I'm not surprised at some of the dumbass comments that have been made. I don't even know why I wasted my time trying to start a discussion.
ive been using sbc kernels since the beginning too, other than the major glitch with them (fix is to not have plugged in while rebooting, or unplug then replug to reset charging) I am very satisfied and thank FSM that ms79723 made sbc for us
my stock battery still feels like its new, I don't notice any inconsistant drain patterns
I use my phone heavy, i can drain my stock battery in 4hrs and my chinese fake 3500 in 7hrs. constant surfing, downloading, texting, talking and tethering. I do it daily not rarely, my nand memory should be failing by now and I'm surprised my batteries have survived this long due to abuse nonsbc related.
the longest my phone went without a sbc kernel was an hour while testing cm stock kernel and I refuse to flash a non sbc kernel.
I will make it known when my battery dies from sbc, so far so good, knocks on wood
mattykinsx said:
And if I turn my phone off I use practically no battery...?
At any rate, a comment like "this thread needs to go away" is EXACTLY why threads about this subject usually explode.
No one here has said anything ridiculous, just trying to discuss.
You're welcome to NOT be apart of a thread if you don't like it.
Go beg for thanks elsewhere.
All I'm saying is the overall capacity of the battery declined, and quicker than it should, after using the kernel.
I'm not saying that the kernel caused it.
All I'm saying is, that's what happened.
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I got that. Other than the first sentence, explaining what I took his comment to mean, my comment had nothing to do with yours.
lmao yeah about that, ill always be here, we dont need ANOTHER thread about the same thing over and over again, maybe ill go in the q and a and ask how to unroot, yeah ill go do that
iitreatedii said:
lmao yeah about that, ill always be here, we dont need ANOTHER thread about the same thing over and over again, maybe ill go in the q and a and ask how to unroot, yeah ill go do that
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Well thank you Steve Jobs for telling us what we need.
I've been using them for a few months and didn't realize I used them incorrectly until a week ago. I normally got great battery life but I found out that I had to let it charge overnight. I never left my phone overnight while charging so I guess I didn't push the kernels to the max. What I would do is just let it charge past 100% for like an hour and then take it off. I only thought people with 3500 batteries should leave it overnight and boy was I wrong. Other day I left my phone overnight for the FIRST time and I really saw the difference; it's funny because the way I know it was working is the battery monitor widget was showing 12-14mA's all night(finally witnessed trickle charging). Man was I amazed lol. Sorry for the long cluttered rant I'm on my phone so I'm trying to keep this short.
~ d3rk
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Because...
I want to drop them and sell my Evo.
I can't deal with the battery life on this phone anymore, no matter which ROM I use, and how much I tweak SetCPU and/or JuiceDefender...
It's a great phone, but I am going to settle for a little less but allow my phone to last more than 1.5 days (at best, with minimal usage)
If somebody could let me know I would appreciate it dearly..thank you
Mike
I have no idea when they will change their TOS again but I'll gladly give you $100 for your evo..
Who could possibly know if/when Sprint would change their TOS?
Battery life is great on the Evo. I charge my phone every 35 hours or so.
Battery life isn't great on the Evo, don't be that guy.
But, any modern smartphone isn't going to last 1.5 days with heavy usage, except maybe a blackberry.
If your only complaint is battery life, sell your evo and buy a bold or something.
Battery life is the same across all smart phones, not sprint and their last change was earlier this year, you won't c one anytime soon. Get a bb
Sent from my Evo beeesshh
Ha, I'm gonna get that Nokia N8.
http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=2725
And I didn't expect to get flamed in this thread, so quit acting tough on the internet
Bielinsk said:
Who could possibly know if/when Sprint would change their TOS?
Battery life is great on the Evo. I charge my phone every 35 hours or so.
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35 hours??
You do know your EVO has internet capabilities.. right? (you must not be using them if you're getting 35 hours! )
But yeah, I use the crap out of my phone and I average 20 - 24 hours..
I have never heard someone complain about a smart phone only lasting a day and a half. You seriously can't charge while you sleep?
I mean get any phone you want, I could care less, but man, you are strange.
nebenezer said:
35 hours??
You do know your EVO has internet capabilities.. right? (you must not be using them if you're getting 35 hours! )
But yeah, I use the crap out of my phone and I average 20 - 24 hours..
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What Rom are you using?
mikeDCMDVA said:
Ha, I'm gonna get that Nokia N8.
http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=2725
And I didn't expect to get flamed in this thread, so quit acting tough on the internet
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Who's flaming you? Looks like everyone is being pretty civilized so far.. man if you think this is flaming you should look up the "WTF WIFI?!?!" thread, or the "is CM6 overrated?" thread, although I think the second one got deleted already.
tomp517 said:
What Rom are you using?
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CM6 Final with the kernel that comes with it.
nebenezer said:
CM6 Final with the kernel that comes with it.
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It's not final, it's 'stable'
There would be a very disappointed community if CM became 'final'
Fresh 3.2.0 with the standard kernel.
This was with some general facebook, browsing, texting, talking etc. I would say moderate to heavy use. 7 hours of use out of a single charge is pretty damn stellar I would say.
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It's not final, it's 'stable'
There would be a very disappointed community if CM became 'final'
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Actually, it is final..
It's CM6.0.0 final. The next release will be (presumably) 6.0.1
Bielinsk said:
Fresh 3.2.0 with the standard kernel.
This was with some general facebook, browsing, texting, talking etc. I would say moderate to heavy use. 7 hours of use out of a single charge is pretty damn stellar I would say.
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ok, that's impressive.. 29 on, 7 awake.. nice
I'm still curious if you realize your phone connects to the internet though.. (and I hope you have a sense of humor)
I'm not aware of any modern smart phone with a fast processor, touch screen, multiple wireless radios, etc. that can last through a day of heavy use. Not iPhone, Evo, Galaxy, etc. Like any mobile device, you learn to manage power. When I am out and about on my laptop and not using wifi, I turn it off. I lower the screen brightness, etc. When I need to use it, I turn it on. Leaving everything and anything turned on is like leaving all the lights on in your house while staying in a single room at a time--wasteful of power.
I keep a charger by my bedside and one at my desk. I charge my phone overnight and with regular use (checking emails and texts as they come in, maybe some light web browsing on the can, etc) I am usually around 40-50% when I get home after work. If I am using it a lot or end up someplace with poor reception like a basement or a control room that is surrounded by ducts and wiring, I will either turn off data or use the charger at my desk to top off at some point during the day.
I have yet to have any problems with this since it's a workflow that evolved from my personal uses and needs. Yours may be different. Maybe you drive a lot and use GPS or music streaming. If so, get a car charger. If you are away from all outlets and not in a car for large parts of the day, maybe grab a spare battery off ebay. At least you have the option. Some smart phones don't even let you swap the battery in emergencies if you want to. I've found Evo pretty much on par with other phones with similar hardware. Just turn off radios not in use and keep chargers or MicroUSB cables in convenient places like nightstand, desk, car.
7 hours out of a single charge sucks, my iphone 3G got 1-2 days on average with heavy usage, but I didn't want to be an Apple fanboy anymore, so I went HTC, and HTC batteries SUCKKKKKK
Anyways, I hope Sprint changes terms soon so I can PEACE OUT
neodorian said:
I'm not aware of any modern smart phone with a fast processor, touch screen, multiple wireless radios, etc. that can last through a day of heavy use. Not iPhone, Evo, Galaxy, etc. Like any mobile device, you learn to manage power. When I am out and about on my laptop and not using wifi, I turn it off. I lower the screen brightness, etc. When I need to use it, I turn it on. Leaving everything and anything turned on is like leaving all the lights on in your house while staying in a single room at a time--wasteful of power.
I keep a charger by my bedside and one at my desk. I charge my phone overnight and with regular use (checking emails and texts as they come in, maybe some light web browsing on the can, etc) I am usually around 40-50% when I get home after work. If I am using it a lot or end up someplace with poor reception like a basement or a control room that is surrounded by ducts and wiring, I will either turn off data or use the charger at my desk to top off at some point during the day.
I have yet to have any problems with this since it's a workflow that evolved from my personal uses and needs. Yours may be different. Maybe you drive a lot and use GPS or music streaming. If so, get a car charger. If you are away from all outlets and not in a car for large parts of the day, maybe grab a spare battery off ebay. At least you have the option. Some smart phones don't even let you swap the battery in emergencies if you want to. I've found Evo pretty much on par with other phones with similar hardware. Just turn off radios not in use and keep chargers or MicroUSB cables in convenient places like nightstand, desk, car.
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Thanks for the most positive response here
The extra battery is something I have not yet done, but I do have my charger with me and one in the car....just feels like it stinks having a phone that has died much faster than any of the rest
mikeDCMDVA said:
Anyways, I hope Sprint changes terms soon so I can PEACE OUT
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Yeah, me too..
mikeDCMDVA said:
Ha, I'm gonna get that Nokia N8.
http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=2725
And I didn't expect to get flamed in this thread, so quit acting tough on the internet
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That's a huge leap in between
"Talk: 5.8 hours max. (348 minutes)
Standby: 408 hours max. (17 days)
1200 mAh "
DirtyShroomz said:
That's a huge leap in between
"Talk: 5.8 hours max. (348 minutes)
Standby: 408 hours max. (17 days)
1200 mAh "
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I still got love for Nokia, never did me wrong..
Hey everyone,
I just wanted to help out those people out there who are getting terrible battery life with their G2's. I made this thread because all of the other threads that have a screenshot of someone getting about 14 hours of battery life have just the screenshot and no explanation of how they got this great battery life.
This is after quite a bit of usage (probably about 3 hours of internet browsing and about 1/2 hour of angry birds
Obviously this will only apply to you if you are rooted.
Step 1: Download and flash this kernel.
Step 2: Set SetCPU to this:
NOTE: If you go any farther than 960mhz then the cpu voltage will be raised, causing lower battery life. Everything below and including 960Mhz is the exact same voltage with this kernel so you won't get any improvement by lowing the cpu freq.
Step 3: Disable profiles. ALL profiles.
^_^
Other Tips and Tricks
DON'T USE TASK KILLERS. THEY DON'T WORK.
Hello? Did this help anyone?
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 running Cyanogenmod.
Thanks for this link! I'm trying this out as we speak. I was previously running the GODspeed 1.4 Overclock with ok battery life..so i'm curious to see how this works. I'll definately keep you updated!
I always have a "screen off" profile with the frequencies set to 245/500, and I get insane battery life. Went over 14 hours yesterday, and I still have 55% remaining when I plugged in. That was also on the stock CM kernel. I'm trying out the UV kernel right now.
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Hello? Did this help anyone?
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 running Cyanogenmod.
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It's only been a few hours that this has been posted (and at least in the States, a Sat. morning). Just give it some time. Also, I think quite a few people are running this kind of set up already (based on the numerous discussions seen in the various rom and and kernel threads anyway), so they probably aren't inclined to reply/vote. Even if they weren't doing this, you probably can't expect any results from people for at least a day or two (unless their battery usage was really bad to begin with, they aren't going to know how much this helps until after the change has been in place for a while).
Just a heads up, Pershoot updated his kernel so that the voltages from 768-960 are now the same as at 979, so you might want to update the guide. Also, just wondering why you recommend the performance governor over on demand if you are looking to improve battery life? Won't the performance governor stay at the higher clock speeds for longer periods of time than on demand? Or did you think this was an acceptable tradeoff (as in things don't run as smoothly for you on on demand and you felt the extra power usage was negligible). Just curious. I had always run on demand or conservative for battery life, but conservative is no longer supported in the Pershoot kernel (and some times led to slight lag in my display turning on).
Also, I'm not positive on this since I don't use Sense roms, but I heard that because Pershoot's kernel was designed to run specifically on AOSP-based roms, it may cause problems with Sense ones. Might want to either put a warning in your guide or verify that this isn't the case.
Ok, I'm following this guide, just flashed the kernel, it took more to backup than to actually install the kernel, on CM6.1.1, will check in tomorrow if I see any improvement, because I used to get only about 6hrs of battery life as I was before.
I always have wifi all day at home since my carrier (Movistar Venezuela) does not have 1900/2100 frequencies.
Thanks for the information. Although it is common.
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It's only been a few hours that this has been posted (and at least in the States, a Sat. morning). Just give it some time. Also, I think quite a few people are running this kind of set up already (based on the numerous discussions seen in the various rom and and kernel threads anyway), so they probably aren't inclined to reply/vote. Even if they weren't doing this, you probably can't expect any results from people for at least a day or two (unless their battery usage was really bad to begin with, they aren't going to know how much this helps until after the change has been in place for a while).
Just a heads up, Pershoot updated his kernel so that the voltages from 768-960 are now the same as at 979, so you might want to update the guide. Also, just wondering why you recommend the performance governor over on demand if you are looking to improve battery life? Won't the performance governor stay at the higher clock speeds for longer periods of time than on demand? Or did you think this was an acceptable tradeoff (as in things don't run as smoothly for you on on demand and you felt the extra power usage was negligible). Just curious. I had always run on demand or conservative for battery life, but conservative is no longer supported in the Pershoot kernel (and some times led to slight lag in my display turning on).
Also, I'm not positive on this since I don't use Sense roms, but I heard that because Pershoot's kernel was designed to run specifically on AOSP-based roms, it may cause problems with Sense ones. Might want to either put a warning in your guide or verify that this isn't the case.
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Don't ask me why, but ondemand drains my battery like crazy compared to performance.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 running Cyanogenmod.
ibemad1 said:
Don't ask me why, but ondemand drains my battery like crazy compared to performance.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 running Cyanogenmod.
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I call BS on this. Performance is max frequency constantly while on demand is whatever is needed.
ahhh...another excellent finding after task kill. btw, task killer helps save the battery power a lot ,too....
TheBiles said:
I call BS on this. Performance is max frequency constantly while on demand is whatever is needed.
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I'm just reporting what I found. Perhaps the ondemand governer is using more power because its constantly checking the cpu utilization?
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 running Cyanogenmod.
Here's some:
Use the stock charger. I believe the stock charger provides power at 5.5V (I'd have to check to know for sure), because that is the voltage the battery was designed for. A lower voltage could mean that your phone *thinks* it's charging at 5.5V and will stop charging when it *thinks* it's at 100%, while in reality it might only be at 80% or less. Higher voltages could wear out the battery faster but provide faster charging times.
Calibrate your battery. Roughly once a month, let your battery completely runs out (after it shuts down again, turn it on again until it's fully out), let it charge while off, and repeat at least once again. This may have a significant effect depending on how you use your phone
Turn off unneeded services while not in use. Having WiFi, Bluetooth, 3G, autosync, facebook sync, widgets, etc can harm battery. It is super simple to put toggles in your notification bar with either CM, MIUI, or Enom's roms that it is pretty much a painless way to dramatically improve your battery life. Facebook sync can be a huge waste too if you have it updating automatically, try instead refreshing it manually. Get rid of widgets that "seem" useful, but in reality just take up ram, download useless data, and take up space. I mean, I like to be able to know the temperature or whether I should bring a jacket, but do I really need the news to be right there in my face 24/7? Widgets like that would have to be constantly downloading data to be even be relevant, and IMO it is easier to just open an app. You can leave GPS on though, as the phone only activates it when necessary.
Update your radio to the latest available. This one is just common sense. The radio is basically the driver which your phone uses to connect to the cell tower, so wouldn't it make sense to have the newest, most efficient radio? I use the .02.17 radio and it is definitely better than the radio that came with the phone originally. Use Gfree before you switch because getting s-off with .02.17 is a pain in the butt.
Those are just some of the things I've realized with both my G2 and my G1 before it.
phonepart8 said:
ahhh...another excellent finding after task kill. btw, task killer helps save the battery power a lot ,too....
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No, task killers don't work at all on Android. Especially so after 2.2.
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Use the stock charger. I believe the stock charger provides power at 5.5V (I'd have to check to know for sure), because that is the voltage the battery was designed for. A lower voltage could mean that your phone *thinks* it's charging at 5.5V and will stop charging when it *thinks* it's at 100%, while in reality it might only be at 80% or less. Higher voltages could wear out the battery faster but provide faster charging times.
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I'll get out my multimeter later to test this.
However, I don't think that's true. It probably just figures out whether it's on a usb port or ac charger by seeing if there's power on the DATA lines inside the usb cable. iPod Touches and iPhones REQUIRE this power so they recognize it as a usb port, otherwise they WILL NOT charge. This explains why, if I plug in my G2 into a charger designed for an iPhone (same specs, 5V out at 1.0A) it will register as USB to the phone and will charge quite slowly.
Again, this is all going off assumptions. I'll put my thoughts up against my multimeter readings later. ^_^
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No, task killers don't work at all on Android. Especially so after 2.2.
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So yesterday morning I woke up at 9 am and went to ihop, I disconnected my phone from the charger at around 920 at 100% by the time it was 1040 ish I randomly looked at my phone and noticed my battery was at 33%?!?!?!? And I went crazy:O yet when I got home I charged it to around 83% disconnected at 730..then at 12 am when I got home I was barely at 61%?!?! Whatsoever the reason for this?!?!?!
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So yesterday morning I woke up at 9 am and went to ihop, I disconnected my phone from the charger at around 920 at 100% by the time it was 1040 ish I randomly looked at my phone and noticed my battery was at 33%?!?!?!? And I went crazy:O yet when I got home I charged it to around 83% disconnected at 730..then at 12 am when I got home I was barely at 61%?!?! Whatsoever the reason for this?!?!?!
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I had this very problem with my G2... it fixed itself like yours did. I think it was probably either skype or qik, as the problem went away after I uninstalled them. You might have had a hung up application running in the background.
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I suppose I'm one of those people who had no issues with their battery, but I recommend using a screen off profile for SetCPU. In doing so, I can effectively go almost a full two days on a single charge, but this is with minimal usage. Such as texting and browsing the web for only a few minutes.
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I just got about 9 hours of battery life with heavy use using this guide:
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I've been using it for 2 days and so far I have nothing but good things to say about it. The battery life so far has been top notch. My phone has currently been off the charger for 15 hours and 2 minutes, and I still have 41% battery left. It's very responsive. Everything works on my HW003 Evo. The one problem I have discovered so far is that when I record a video, once I'm done it force closes the video app. But the good thing is that the recorded video is saved intact and I can re-open my camcorder app immediately if I want to record another video. So it's really not a big issue. Other than that everything else sems to be working very smoothly. I have Go Launcher EX running on top of it and everything is super-fast. So far I'm really loving this leaked ROM. What about you guys(and girls)???
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I've been using it for 2 days and so far I have nothing but good things to say about it. The battery life so far has been top notch. My phone has currently been off the charger for 15 hours and 2 minutes, and I still have 41% battery left. It's very responsive. Everything works on my HW003 Evo. The one problem I have discovered so far is that when I record a video, once I'm done it force closes the video app. But the good thing is that the recorded video is saved intact and I can re-open my camcorder app immediately if I want to record another video. So it's really not a big issue. Other than that everything else sems to be working very smoothly. I have Go Launcher EX running on top of it and everything is super-fast. So far I'm really loving this leaked ROM. What about you guys(and girls)???
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how much of that is ACTUAL use ? and not sitting on a desk ?
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how much of that is ACTUAL use ? and not sitting on a desk ?
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Well, I took it off the charger just after midnight last night, and I woke up at 7am. So 7 of those hours it was resting. But since then I've been to the gym and listened to music the whole time, sent a few texts, received about 30-40 texts from twitter, browsed the web for some of the links, viewed some android central youtube videos, updated some apps in the Market, made 2 phone calls, etc.. The point is with my last ROM and kernel, normally I'd be at about 15% battery by now.. There seems to be a noticeable improvement. But I posted this thread because I'm wondering if it's my imagination or if anyone else is having similar experiences.
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Sure your using gingerbread? That battery icon making me suspicious. 0_o
Asop ROMs do typically use less battery than sense ROMs
LOL! Horrible battery life considering you haven't made one call.
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LOL! Horrible battery life considering you haven't made one call.
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He said he made 2....
Pretty decent
A drop of Chuck Norris's semen was placed on Android OS. We now have CyanogenMod.
Where's a link for it? I wanna try this out and put in my .02!
Fyi my g1 only lasted 4-6 hours on a charge using stock battery, I turned off the radio and let it sit in my sock drawer it stayed on in stand by for nearly a week on that same battery.
These threads bragging about battery life are just BS, im sure if I want all day not using my evo I'd also get 16+ hours on a stock. I typically get a good 14-16 hours using my 3000 mAh battery and being constantly on my phone.
I noticed a lump in my battery last night (SBC maybe?) And now im back on the stock battery, this is my 3rd time today its back on the charger, my point? None but these threads don't mean a thing unless there's any really useful information to significantly extend the battery, especially to us users who do use our phones and not just let them sit idol all day.
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Fyi my g1 only lasted 4-6 hours on a charge using stock battery, I turned off the radio and let it sit in my sock drawer it stayed on in stand by for nearly a week on that same battery.
These threads bragging about battery life are just BS, im sure if I want all day not using my evo I'd also get 16+ hours on a stock. I typically get a good 14-16 hours using my 3000 mAh battery and being constantly on my phone.
I noticed a lump in my battery last night (SBC maybe?) And now im back on the stock battery, this is my 3rd time today its back on the charger, my point? None but these threads don't mean a thing unless there's any really useful information to significantly extend the battery, especially to us users who do use our phones and not just let them sit idol all day.
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If anyone says a phone can last more than 4-5 hours, then using a phone to them is turning the screen on to check the time, then quickly turning it off.
Anyways link? I wanna use Sense with Gingerbread.
He is obviously using his phone because 40 percent of it is the display
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If anyone says a phone can last more than 4-5 hours, then using a phone to them is turning the screen on to check the time, then quickly turning it off.
Anyways link? I wanna use Sense with Gingerbread.
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Last I checked there's a few in the development forum, but they are ports and a work in progress and have a lot of things broken. As son as there is a stable gingersense im all over that.
I loaded the leaked 2.3.3/sense 1.0 that tmartin put together. It is 100% functional for me. Some people were having issues with the screen staying at 100% brightness, and the camera acting strange. I think that may have been a variety of factors, wipe quality, hardware number, and screen type.
The rom was flawless for me. I have a 3500 battery and used my phone like a crackhead for 15.5 hours before the battery died. I was web surfing most of the time, and reading the leak thread that hit over a 1000 posts in a day before the op locked it up.
I am now using the misfit gingersense rom, and it is working 100% for me, apart from some very minor black on black text when word suggestions pop up using swype.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1036930
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1035438
I flashed the tmartin 2.3.3 sense leak as well. I liked it for the most part...but it wasn't anything really special...some menu changes and it did have the nice fast boot feature. Sense was still a little sluggish when scrolling through home screens. I flashed back to cm7....what I do miss is the stable 4g that I do not get with cm7 final.
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If anyone says a phone can last more than 4-5 hours, then using a phone to them is turning the screen on to check the time, then quickly turning it off.
Anyways link? I wanna use Sense with Gingerbread.
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Wtf are you talking about!?
A drop of Chuck Norris's semen was placed on Android OS. We now have CyanogenMod.
This post was not just about battery life. That was just one aspect of it. I posted it to get feedback from others who are also running the ROM put together by TMartin from the leak. I still don't get why people get so funny acting when it comes to others talking about how long their battery lasts. If you don't like it or don't care to hear about it then move on, as it may not be for you. But others may be interested to see if it improves their battery life. Remember, every post here isn't catered just for you. The world is bigger than just you. Anyway, I use my phone quite regularly, whether it be browsing the web, viewing video, texting, listening to music, etc.
I also forgot to mention that I'm using the stock battery.
For those who asked where they can find the download, here ya go. It's linked in the first post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1035438
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I noticed a lump in my battery last night (SBC maybe?)
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Dude, your battery might have cancer. You should do a battery self-exam at least once every month. It's best that you do it in the shower so that the battery can hang low. Make sure you roll your battery through your fingers to check for any abnormal growth or lump.
If you feel a lump or that the shape of your battery has changed at all, don't hesitate to see your doctor. Remember, catching battery cancer in the earliest stages gives you a much better chance at survival!
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Dude, your battery might have cancer. You should do a battery self-exam at least once every month. It's best that you do it in the shower so that the battery can hang low. Make sure you roll your battery through your fingers to check for any abnormal growth or lump.
If you feel a lump or that the shape of your battery has changed at all, don't hesitate to see your doctor. Remember, catching battery cancer in the earliest stages gives you a much better chance at survival!
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I layed on a flat surface and noticed it rocked a little bit, so yea it has a slight deformity. Dr. Abu ghraib can have a look at it tomorrow.
I flashed it and been running it for a few hours now. Its alright, nothing ground breaking or impressive. Im kinda disappointed about no vertical battery or the on/tv off effect like the asop roms have. I thought I was gonna see that in gingersense. No big deal though, its same ol sense on gingerbread. I did notice some improvements in the browser. Fair enough, its cool, but still a little buggy.
Screen dimming works for me BTW, on my 0003.
Tomorrow will be the real test as far as the battery goes.
What bugs have you noticed?
hi guys i've been having a problem that i cant get fixed. ive asked some people and they are not sure what the problem, and also looked in threads and the fixes dont seem to work either.
i flashed the chadogr rom a while ago from cyanogen mod 7 becuz there were certain issues i was having with it.
when i had the chadogr sense rom, the battery would continuously die in barely no time at all, and when i looked at what was consuming my battery, "display" was always using at least 80-90%, and the phone would be dead in about 3 hrs or so.
got sick of it, and went to an aosp based rom called gingerbread evo deck 1.2w. it was very good and light on resources and battery life was good WHEN I DIDNT USE THE PHONE. but as soon as i started using it battery would drop so fast, but that didnt bother me, cuz sometimes i didnt need to use it. but there were somethings that i just couldnt stand with asop.
1. GPS never worked, EVER!! (i tried all the fixes to no avail) it was always searching for satellite everytime i wanted to use navigation.
2. it had awful signal strength (even wifi), constant disconnects, and always giving me this info that im internationally roaming (wtf)
3. a couple of other things not really worth mentioning.
i said eff it and decided to go back to sense, and decided on the synergy rom after reading the thread to great reviews.
i like the rom but im back again with those "high display" use problems again.
what is causing this and how do i fix it. there was a "fix" in the synergy rom thread but it didnt work for me. it said to go to the spare parts app and uncheck the compatibility mode, i did that and im still having those display issues.
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this is the chadogr rom (sense), and after only about an hr, its down to 65% and look at what the biggest user is
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here is the aosp rom (gingerbread evo deck) and look how much display is using, so little
and now here is the sense rom i flashed yesterday (7/17/11) (synergy), BACK TO THOSE DISPLAY ISSUES AGAIN
sorry this is so long, pls dont bite my head off or yell at me , i dont know what else to do,
i dont have automatic brightness, screen timeout is set at 30s
im lost
pls help, and thanks alot guys
It's more probably a difference of the battery stats plotting rather than the drainage of the display. Display drains the battery most out of all the components in the phone, so that reading must be pretty accurate. If you're battery is draining ridiculously more over AOSP, which Sense ROMs usually do, than you might have a problem with the ROM or kernel themselves and not necessarily Sense, or it could be a more accurate reading for the Displays battery use. I am running Synergy Nightly 7/16 and my battery life is relatively good to CM7.1 RC1. And yes display is at the top at 66% at about 1/4 the time on(Ex. 2 hrs run time since charge, 30 mins display on). Turn of auto brightness too.
Also remember that it is displaying percentage, so the display being higher is actually a good thing. Your display uses the most power of everything on the phone, or it should be, when it is using a higher percentage of the total power available, it means that everything else is using less. The only way to get the percentage of display use down is to either turn the brightness down, or leave the display off as much as possible.
Click on display and you'll get an accurate reading of how much you actually used the display.
Synergy is awesome though, I went from 86% down to 85% when I woke up this morning. 10 hours off the charger and I wasn't even fully charged when I took it off. This thing is amazing with battery.
I have the exact same issue as the OP. I'm posting from my phone right now so when I get home I'll post a more detailed reply with pics but this is NOT NORMAL display usage. I'm getting sick of people telling me and others with this issue that its "just a percentage of what's using the battery and its normal ". Its not normal because this never used to happen to me and the display never used that much battery before. My battery life is horrible compared to a rom that doesn't do it. At most I'll get ten hours from a full charge and I can visibly watch the percentage drop as I'm using the phone. Even when I haven't touched the phone and the screen being off, the display usage will still be at like 90%.
It didn't use to happen, it seemed to just appear out of no where, the first time being with mikfroyo 4.62. I tried downgrading but no luck. I can only comment on roms that I have tried but it also happens with mikg and synergy and a few other sense roms. Aosp does NOT have this issue as I've tried a few differently ones. Currently using CM 7.1 and I'm getting at least 20 hours with heavy use.
I have been trying to get to the bottom of this for a few weeks but it seems that I just keep getting run around in circles. Now that I've seen other people are having this issue too hopefully we can get this worked out with some help. Its keeping me from using my favorite rom, synergy. I like aosp but it just can't match the performance and functionality of sense, oh and looks hehe. Like I said I will post up some pics when I get home to provide more evidence
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Have you checked your wake time on the ROM? Wake lock issues are a more likely culprit than the screen when it comes to bad battery life like you described. Go to menu/settings/about/battery and look at your Up Time and your Awake Time. If they seem close to identical (even though you know you've walked away from your phone for a while and had the screen off, etc.) then you have a problem.
The most likely solution is a PRI downgrade to 1.77. Check your ROM's forum to see whether or not a particular PRI is suggested or not.
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Have you checked your wake time on the ROM? Wake lock issues are a more likely culprit than the screen when it comes to bad battery life like you described. Go to menu/settings/about/battery and look at your Up Time and your Awake Time. If they seem close to identical (even though you know you've walked away from your phone for a while and had the screen off, etc.) then you have a problem.
The most likely solution is a PRI downgrade to 1.77. Check your ROM's forum to see whether or not a particular PRI is suggested or not.
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Its not a simple wake lock issue. My up and awake time are very different, just like they should be. Its not pri either cause I've changed it multiple times with the same issue. How would that even affect display usage? Every pri problem had caused high cell standby or android system but not display. I just bought system panel and I am going to let it run a monitor for a while and see if it brings up any red flags (using synergy). This is something a little deeper than a simple wake lock or radio issue.
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Yep, sounds like it. All I know is that many, many phones (including mine) on gingerbread roms show very high display percentages. However, the phone lasts just as long as normal. The going notion is that gingerbread handles app and service power so much better than Froyo did that the display percentage simply has to be higher. That's how percentages work, of course. However, if your phone is dying at a much faster rate than normal, then yes, something is wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised if it has nothing to do with your display. Not that I have any clue what it might be, just sayin'.
It does it regardless if its a froyo or gingerbread rom. First rom it popped up in was mikfroyo which is 2.2. But weirdly it didn't use to do it on that rom. I achieved my best battery life (30 hours moderate usage) on mikfroyo 4.62.
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I have three different phones.
Hero (rooted with CM7) - high display usage
Epic (Unrooted stock 2.2) - high display usage
Evo (rooted various 2.3 rom) - high display usage
All have high display except when I run Deck 1.2.1.
On my Evo some rom such as Sprint lovers (stock after auto root v2.5) 3.70 gave me high Android system, but most if not all gingerbread rom with the exception of deck all show high display usage including miui.
This lead me to think that high display usage is quite normal IMHO, just thought I'd share.
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I have three different phones.
Hero (rooted with CM7) - high display usage
Epic (Unrooted stock 2.2) - high display usage
Evo (rooted various 2.3 rom) - high display usage
All have high display except when I run Deck 1.2.1.
On my Evo some rom such as Sprint lovers (stock after auto root v2.5) 3.70 gave me high Android system, but most if not all gingerbread rom with the exception of deck all show high display usage including miui.
This lead me to think that high display usage is quite normal IMHO, just thought I'd share.
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How high though? Mine and the OP display usage stays from like 80-90%. I can understand if its a little higher than everything else but this is extremely high. And why would extremely huh display usage be normal even if i haven't touched the phone and the screen is off? Its not normal because it didn't used to happen on the SAME rom. Like i said i used to be able to get 30 hours with mikfroyo 4.62, then this display issue came up and i cant hardly get 10 hours from a charge.
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It's more probably a difference of the battery stats plotting rather than the drainage of the display. Display drains the battery most out of all the components in the phone, so that reading must be pretty accurate. If you're battery is draining ridiculously more over AOSP, which Sense ROMs usually do, than you might have a problem with the ROM or kernel themselves and not necessarily Sense, or it could be a more accurate reading for the Displays battery use. I am running Synergy Nightly 7/16 and my battery life is relatively good to CM7.1 RC1. And yes display is at the top at 66% at about 1/4 the time on(Ex. 2 hrs run time since charge, 30 mins display on). Turn of auto brightness too.
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when i 1st got my evo, display was never the biggest power consumer, it was either android system, phone idle or something else.
its hard to believe the reading is accurate, when i know i havent even woken up the phone that much, currently the biggest user of my phone at home is wifi, yet that shows only like 4% or so.
oh and yes auto brightness is off too as stated on the bottom of my original post
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Click on display and you'll get an accurate reading of how much you actually used the display.
Synergy is awesome though, I went from 86% down to 85% when I woke up this morning. 10 hours off the charger and I wasn't even fully charged when I took it off. This thing is amazing with battery.
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ehh its ok, sure beats the other sense rom i was using (chardogr)
but still not blown away by the battery life.
i swear battery life is gonna be on the top of my list when im upgrading to my next phone, i cant deal with this **** anymore
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I have the exact same issue as the OP. I'm posting from my phone right now so when I get home I'll post a more detailed reply with pics but this is NOT NORMAL display usage. I'm getting sick of people telling me and others with this issue that its "just a percentage of what's using the battery and its normal ". Its not normal because this never used to happen to me and the display never used that much battery before. My battery life is horrible compared to a rom that doesn't do it. At most I'll get ten hours from a full charge and I can visibly watch the percentage drop as I'm using the phone. Even when I haven't touched the phone and the screen being off, the display usage will still be at like 90%.
It didn't use to happen, it seemed to just appear out of no where, the first time being with mikfroyo 4.62. I tried downgrading but no luck. I can only comment on roms that I have tried but it also happens with mikg and synergy and a few other sense roms. Aosp does NOT have this issue as I've tried a few differently ones. Currently using CM 7.1 and I'm getting at least 20 hours with heavy use.
I have been trying to get to the bottom of this for a few weeks but it seems that I just keep getting run around in circles. Now that I've seen other people are having this issue too hopefully we can get this worked out with some help. Its keeping me from using my favorite rom, synergy. I like aosp but it just can't match the performance and functionality of sense, oh and looks hehe. Like I said I will post up some pics when I get home to provide more evidence
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finally someone who understands what im going through, ive done everything and still coming up short with it.
I've had the same problem as the OP, specifically with Sac's Kingdom... Loving Sense 3.0, but the battery drain was a little much. Feeling your pain.
I'm going to PM myn and aamikam with a link to this topic. I don't think we will be able to figure this out unless we get some rom developers involved. Hopefully they actually take the time to read my message haha
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I'm going to PM myn and aamikam with a link to this topic. I don't think we will be able to figure this out unless we get some rom developers involved. Hopefully they actually take the time to read my message haha
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thanks for taking this up brother, 'preciate it.
props
I feel your pain bro. What got rid of my issue was i downloaded battery callibration app from the market. Charged to 100% and then used the app. My battery usage went from 5hrs to 16hrs yesterday. I'm loving it. Everyone give that try and trust me it works. Currently running synergy rc2.
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One thing I noticed, in your pics your signal is very low, if your signal is low your phones gonna use alot of juice trying to maintain and/or look for a better signal.
Try checking in an area with a decent signal.
@OP...as long as your up time and awake times are diffrent Your phone is completly normal...1) when your using sense roms your continuously using your phone,so your display screen is on all the time. Hence the display so high. 2) when your using aosp roms..your taking long breaks from your phone..the flat lines on your graphs...your phone is sleeping,allowing more batt life..your in 20+ hrs of use..when your on sense your in 3-4 hrs of non stop use..it looks to me u enjoy sense more and can't put your phone down LOL..so the more u use your phone the higher your display % is going to be.
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So, it seems like my battery isn't quite behaving itself. I've turned of Moto Display, underclock GPU to 300mhz, and switched to 1080p instead of 1440p, used Amplify to control wakelocks and Greenify to hibernate things that like to run in the background. I have never gotten more than about 1hr30min of screen time. My phone stays relatively cool unless I'm playing a lot of games or watching a lot of videos on YouTube. I have a handful of xposed plugins (Amplify, GravityBox, Greenify, NougatNavigation Bar (I like the solid icons rather than the lines that comes with stock N) and Status Bar Cleanup).
Anyone think I should get a new battery? Not under warranty, so I can't do anything via that route.
Also, is eBay a good enough place to find a replacement battery as long as I make sure it's not a counterfeit?
Thanks everyone for any help.
Can you be more specific what you mean by your battery not behaving itself? Random shut down or at any particular battery level? Sudden drop off battery percentage ofb10% or more shortly after charger disconnect? Has the unusual battery occurred after any specific updates to any of your apps? Have you tried a factory reset (I know it's painful but it does help on occasion)? Just throwing it out there.
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So, it seems like my battery isn't quite behaving itself. I've turned of Moto Display, underclock GPU to 300mhz, and switched to 1080p instead of 1440p,
It doesn't make difference - restore default,
used Amplify to control wakelocks and Greenify to hibernate things that like to run in the background.
Doesn't work good on Nougat - you can use "background permission setter" app & "link2sd" for disable some apps
I have never gotten more than about 1hr30min of screen
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Standard is ~3-4 hours of SOT with any rom or kernel.
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Look into this thread:
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Standard is ~3-4 hours of SOT with any rom or kernel.
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I rarely ever got 3 hours... GSAM's average SOT over time was about 2h 20m... Although I did have occasional instances with 4 hours (on WiFi, reading, at night, very low drainage usage). Not really the point though
Should you replace the battery, well, from what you say it sounds like it is due... The real problem is getting a quality replacement. You can find a ton of them on eBay or other online markets, but most users here will tell you that you can't get an OEM battery any more no matter what the seller says, they just don't exist, and most of the ones that state "new" are just knock-offs or batteries for other devices that are re-purposed (and often of lower capacity). There is a serious market for cell phone batteries, and there are lots of counterfeits out and just out-right lies there, so the real problem is getting a good replacement battery. It is literally luck...
Remember, this device is 2.5 years old... Meaning most batteries for it were likely made prior to that. Although I paint a gloomy picture (it is a bit gloomy) there has to be some decent ones out there, but expect to pay $20+ and it will still be a crap shoot. Remember that when replacing the battery in this device, it isn't the easiest so do your homework. You will likely want a new back cover assembly (door and adhesive) as well because a good majority of the time they get destroyed when performing the operation.
Oh, and before you go down this road I suggest wiping your device... everything... and set it back up with the absolute bare minimum stuff (don't install anything if possible) for a couple days and retest your SOT. Not saying that's the case here, but Nougat's battery/app management is pretty good and we have seen more and more tales of things like Greenify/Amplify and other tweaks for helping battery life having the opposite effect, with some people noting the more they try to tweak it the worse it gets. Just a thought...
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Can you be more specific what you mean by your battery not behaving itself? Random shut down or at any particular battery level? Sudden drop off battery percentage ofb10% or more shortly after charger disconnect? Has the unusual battery occurred after any specific updates to any of your apps? Have you tried a factory reset (I know it's painful but it does help on occasion)? Just throwing it out there.
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Quite a few times my battery would drop ~5-6% just after I remove it from the charger (regular USB power, not the turbo charger). I have tried a factory once and I let the battery do the "break in" period just to see if the battery was calibrated or not. So far it seems it is calibrated...I've also tried draining the battery until it my it shuts off, then using the turbo charger and letting it sit for like ~8 hours (I forget where I saw that specific bit of advice. It was in response to someone else posting...I don't even remember where. Possibly XDA, not 100% sure).
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I found my capacity to be 3034mAh...which is....quite odd. My battery isn't even fully charged.
acejavelin said:
I rarely ever got 3 hours... GSAM's average SOT over time was about 2h 20m... Although I did have occasional instances with 4 hours (on WiFi, reading, at night, very low drainage usage). Not really the point though
Should you replace the battery, well, from what you say it sounds like it is due... The real problem is getting a quality replacement. You can find a ton of them on eBay or other online markets, but most users here will tell you that you can't get an OEM battery any more no matter what the seller says, they just don't exist, and most of the ones that state "new" are just knock-offs or batteries for other devices that are re-purposed (and often of lower capacity). There is a serious market for cell phone batteries, and there are lots of counterfeits out and just out-right lies there, so the real problem is getting a good replacement battery. It is literally luck...
Remember, this device is 2.5 years old... Meaning most batteries for it were likely made prior to that. Although I paint a gloomy picture (it is a bit gloomy) there has to be some decent ones out there, but expect to pay $20+ and it will still be a crap shoot. Remember that when replacing the battery in this device, it isn't the easiest so do your homework. You will likely want a new back cover assembly (door and adhesive) as well because a good majority of the time they get destroyed when performing the operation.
Oh, and before you go down this road I suggest wiping your device... everything... and set it back up with the absolute bare minimum stuff (don't install anything if possible) for a couple days and retest your SOT. Not saying that's the case here, but Nougat's battery/app management is pretty good and we have seen more and more tales of things like Greenify/Amplify and other tweaks for helping battery life having the opposite effect, with some people noting the more they try to tweak it the worse it gets. Just a thought...
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I actually tried to replace the battery once and I did such a terrible job that I ruined the contact points on the ribbon that connects to the main board. I wish I could get a new phone (like a Pixel 2) but I have nowhere near enough income or funds set aside for that. Maybe later this year...hopefully...and not necessarily a Pixel 2 but something that runs very close to stock AOSP. I would definitely miss the 2 front facing speakers on anything else. I saw ZTE Axon 7 and the Razer phone has them too...but no idea how close they are to stock AOSP. Maybe I'll take the plunge into flashing the stock Nougat images and let it be naked for a few days. That sure would be annoying...but if it helps my MXPE survive in good shape until I can afford another phone I'm all in.
Thanks everyone for the help! I'll look into my options and hopefully I can get a bit more time out of this phone until I can afford a newer one that doesn't have the stupid Snapdragon 808. I shake my fist at thee, battery hog!
I'm on Nougat stock and I keep getting battery down at 25-35% regularely. I can see that when I put phone in charge after it shuts down percentage charge numbers start where power down happened at 25-35% Tried a battery calibrate weeks ago with a play store app. At first looked like it got fixed but just for a day or so and back with same problem. Also SoT is terrible, getting max 1h and if i do a heavy use even less and I dont even use social media at all. No idea if its a dead battery or software problem seeing I was on custom rom before i reverted back on stock nougat. Waiting for a decent Nougat modem stock Rom to try it once again to see if a difference or not.
andromobilogy said:
I'm on Nougat stock and I keep getting battery down at 25-35% regularely. I can see that when I put phone in charge after it shuts down percentage charge numbers start where power down happened at 25-35% Tried a battery calibrate weeks ago with a play store app. At first looked like it got fixed but just for a day or so and back with same problem. Also SoT is terrible, getting max 1h and if i do a heavy use even less and I dont even use social media at all. No idea if its a dead battery or software problem seeing I was on custom rom before i reverted back on stock nougat. Waiting for a decent Nougat modem stock Rom to try it once again to see if a difference or not.
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"Battery calibration" apps don't work... The proper way to "recalibrate" a battery in modern Moto devices is https://motorola-global-en-uk.custh...moto-g4-g4-plus/topic/battery/battery-reset/1
Honestly, if this does nothing, try a cache wipe, and if that doesn't help do a factory reset. If that fails as well, then the battery is likely beyond it's useful life (becoming more and more common lately) and will need to be replaced if you can find a quality replacement. There is no "trick" to getting the battery back.
It seems these batteries were engineered for 18-24 months of life and that is about it, as most modern devices themselves are only intended for a max of 24 months of usable life anyway... They sure seem to drop off significantly in charge capacity after that point.
Try this app? AccuBattery
After a couple of charge cycles it shows my battery at 89% of max. My manufacture date is 11-16-2016, so just over a year old. Of course, the battery could have been made before then by some months, I don't know.
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