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I've been trying hard to avoid the Epic update, since my phone was working great. I was getting almost 20 hours battery before being asked to charge, using about 30 minutes phone calls, 1 hour "display on" time, bluetooth/wifi off, GPS only when needed.
The nagging update available message would always pop up, and I'd always tell it to install later.
Somehow, I must have accidentally selected update while getting out of the car today, since I saw the phone installing firmware and then reboot.
After the reboot, my Sprint Hotspot stopped working. Now when I activate it, it turns my 3G radio off. Prior to this, I could activate (and use) Sprint Wifi tethering even though I am not specifically subscribed to it. Now, it still "activates" but shuts down my data connection.
Even worse, when I try to activate 4G, it just hangs the phone. I tried factory resetting, which did not solve the problem. Still no more 4G. Also, I noticed my battery getting really hot, and the smell of smoke inside the case. The battery went from 50% to 9% within a minute!! I don't have any explanation on how the update caused this.....
This update fried my phone! I'm going to try the Odin method back to DG27. If that doesn't work, the phone is going back!
DO NOT UPDATE if you can avoid it!!
that sucks
I'm having a really really hard time believing the ota update had anything to do with anything you described.
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styckx said:
I'm having a really really hard time believing the ota update had anything to do with anything you described.
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Me too, but I don't know what else could have caused it. Just tried Odin, still can't get 4G to work.
I don't think there's much else I can try. The phone just hangs when I enable 4G. Tried factory reset, Odin back to DG27. No luck.
Any ideas?
Dont listen to this guy -- you want the DI07 update on your phone. It has vital improvements to the radio and kernel. It doesn't break 4G or ruin battery life.
it has happened to many of us,including me..i also started a thread in the development forum..i talked to a service rep and they instructed me to do a msl reset,which required a msl code the give and no luck..this happened to me last week.since then i swapped my phone for another unit an was weary of updaing again,but i did and everything works fine now.im guessing a bad batch of phones or bad dowload/install of update ota.return it for another
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Before the update, I was getting about 14-15 hours of battery with my average daily use. After the update I'm swapping batteries every 6 or 7 hours. I started tracking power consumption a few days ago with Spare Parts. I flashed back to stock with odin, and installed the DI07 update. The only apps I installed were Battery Indicator Pro and Spare Parts. I noticed right away that the running time was always close to 100%. That means that the phone is not sleeping. Under "Partial Wake usage", Android System is running almost the same amount of time the phone is powered on. It's not spiking the CPU, but running just enough to create a partial wakelock. This behavior is consistent on every boot. Normally, Android System should only keep the system awake about 3 or 4 minutes per hour of uptime at most. I think they botched something in the update.
Tonight I reverted back to DG27 and the problem is now non-existent. I only have one Epic to test, so I'm curious to see if anyone else gets different results. If it's just my Epic, then I will be returning it for another.
Anyone feel like experimenting?
I'm going on 18 hours now since I reverted back to DG27 and I'm still on the same battery. I would be on my third battery right now if I was still running DI07. I don't think I'm gonna be updating till Sprint releases another fix. Other than Media Hub and the loss of battery life, I noticed no changes while running DI07.
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I'm getting over 18hrs since update. It maybe just like the HTC phone when you flash the rom the battery life goes down for the first few full charges then after that it's fine. Maybe I'm just lucky because I'm not having all the drama you guys and others are having.
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Dont listen to this guy -- you want the DI07 update on your phone. It has vital improvements to the radio and kernel. It doesn't break 4G or ruin battery life.
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Any why should we listen to you? Can you describe your source of knowing how this update has "vital improvements" to the radio and kernal? What are the nature of these improvements?
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-Everyone
Not sure what the particular improvements are... but check your phone info and you will see that the baseband was changed, which means a new radio was implemented. Also, in the release notes it specified that there were some "Qualcomm Updates", and since Qualcomm engineers the radio in our phones, it doesn't take much brain capacity to put 2 and 2 together.
I've updated and have experienced none of these problems. (As I suspect is true of most of the people here.)
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Dont listen to this guy -- you want the DI07 update on your phone. It has vital improvements to the radio and kernel. It doesn't break 4G or ruin battery life.
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It ABSOLUTELY ruins battery life. If it doesn't ruin your battery life specifically, then your one lucky sun of gun. It cut my battery life in half. I used to be able to go to 11pm and never even get a battery warning! Now, my phone completely shuts down by late afternoon while I'm still at work. DI07 is a horrible update. I don't know what Samsung/Sprint did, but my screen is dimmer, battery life took a major dump, and the phone does not seem any faster, actually slower if anything. My phone also seems to be hot all the time, even after it's supposedly been asleep for hours. With DG27 it was always felt cool when pulling it out of my holster and not hot like it is now.
Testing...testing
After running DG27 for almost 24 hours with great results, I decided to give the DI07 update another shot. But first I made a Nandroid backup in CWM before I accepted the update. After about two hours on DI07, it was clear the phone was not sleeping again when the screen was off.
So now I'm gonna try another experiment. I've done a system restore from my Nandroid backup to DG27. Except that the Baseband(radio) is still DI07 because Nandroid doesn't touch the radio. I'm thinking that this will tell us if the new radio is the culprit, or if they just botched something in the DI07 ROM.
Dev's, let me know if I'm off base here. I will report as soon as I have any relevant results.
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It ABSOLUTELY ruins battery life. If it doesn't ruin your battery life specifically, then your one lucky sun of gun. It cut my battery life in half. I used to be able to go to 11pm and never even get a battery warning! Now, my phone completely shuts down by late afternoon while I'm still at work. DI07 is a horrible update. I don't know what Samsung/Sprint did, but my screen is dimmer, battery life took a major dump, and the phone does not seem any faster, actually slower if anything. My phone also seems to be hot all the time, even after it's supposedly been asleep for hours. With DG27 it was always felt cool when pulling it out of my holster and not hot like it is now.
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Heres what will help:
Run the root script, delete all sprint bloatware, and keep track of all the services running on your phone. I'm getting 20 hours of battery with heavy usage on the DI07 update.
Also, try the bump charging method which has helped me a lot. Turn the phone on, let it fully charge, unplug, let it fully charge, turn back on.. rinse and repeat. It helps.
The update is not what is causing bad battery life. The screen dimming is part of the auto-brightness setting and/or power saving setting which should be helping the battery more than killing it.
Get System Panel/spare parts or any kind of task manager to MONITOR (not kill) processes running on your phone.
Here's a post from another forum, so I'm not the only person with a dead 4G radio. I believe it was temporally related to the update, but reverting back to DG27 didn't fix it.
Link: http://forum.androidcentral.com/sprint-epic-4g/36985-4g-doesnt-work-after-di07-update.html
"I have been out of town in a non-4G area since applying the DI07 update. Got home earlier today and just went to turn on 4G and it no longer is working!!
When I enable 4G (through the pull-down or the settings menu) now it just says "On..." and then "Unknown..."
Anyone else that has applied the update and lives in a 4G area seeing similar behavior?? I am currently backing up me SMS messages so I can do a hard-reset to see if that will fix it."
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Heres what will help:
Run the root script, delete all sprint bloatware, and keep track of all the services running on your phone. I'm getting 20 hours of battery with heavy usage on the DI07 update.
Also, try the bump charging method which has helped me a lot. Turn the phone on, let it fully charge, unplug, let it fully charge, turn back on.. rinse and repeat. It helps.
The update is not what is causing bad battery life. The screen dimming is part of the auto-brightness setting and/or power saving setting which should be helping the battery more than killing it.
Get System Panel/spare parts or any kind of task manager to MONITOR (not kill) processes running on your phone.
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Infamous,
These are all good suggestions for basic power management under normal circumstances, but for some reason this update has introduced an issue that causes the Android System process to prevent the phone from sleeping. Why it's not affecting everyone I don't know. Some people had to take their phones back to the Sprint store after the update because they got so hot and would not cool down unless turned off.
Anyway, if you are getting 20 hours on heavy use, you obviously don't have the bug. But to anyone who thinks they might, you can check using Spare Parts.
First, if you've just rebooted, turn the screen off and let it sit for a few minuets. Open Spare Parts and click Battery history. By default it displays 'Other usage'. If your 'Running' percentage is 100% or close to it, and your 'Screen on' percentage is anything other than your 'Running' percentage, then your phone is not sleeping when the screen is off.
Next change the top tab from 'Other usage' to 'Partial wake usage'. This will show you what is preventing it from sleeping. You can click on whatever is at the top of the list to see its partial wake time. If it's 'Android System', the partial wake time should not be any more than about 1 minute per hour of system uptime. For example, if your phone has only been on for 10 minuets, and 'Android System' has a partial wake time of 2 minutes, you have a problem.
Found more info here.
http://forum.androidcentral.com/sprint-epic-4g/37034-those-batt-issues-after-upgrade.html
This is great info, according to Spare Parts and your info, I have a severe problem. I have just killed DRM
The update went through automatically Sat night, battery has dived at least
50%. Reboot at that time.
Battery History
Total in all Time Since Reboot (2 days)
Running 30.5% 99.7
Screen On 16.7 18.3
I see the problem, don't know if DRM dead will fix, is there anything else I can do?
I am rooted (or at least I was, I stayed stock and added Wireless Tether, it is broken). So not happy there either.
I will charge and check this tomorrow to see what changes or if there are any other suggestions.
Thetwo apps running none stop are I! Agent Service in Android System and GTalkService in Goggle, using over 10 mb ram
Other usage is still almost 100%, Screen time has gone down, but Wifi On is same as Running and I have it turned off every which way I can find as with nothing showing on top bar.
Partial Wakelock: Andoid System is on 113 hrs of25 since boot.
Hi all,
Basically a few days ago I updated the firmware via Kies from 2.2 to 2.2.1 on my Galaxy S. However, I instantly noticed a huge decrease in battery life - 50% gone overnight when in standby! So I factory reset the phone and had everything disabled - the phone only lost 10% in 24 hours. So I decided to try and eliminate the possible causes so first I turned on wifi and within 2 hours I have lost almost 30% of the battery life with no usage so wifi seems to be the culprit
In the wifi menu network notification is off, however, the device seems to be scanning for networks every 5-10 seconds even when connected! I had no problems like this on 2.2 where I could comfortably get 2 days usage with wifi on. Also as I would prefer wifi to be on constantly when connected I would prefer not to change the wifi sleep policy. Any suggestions would be much appreciated
Many thanks, and sorry if there's similar thread already
which version of 2.2 did you have before?
try a flash back and see what happens.
Or try to drain battery (do not charge till 1% or almost dead) then full charge it.
Always happen to me when I flash my phone to a new ROM.
Thanks for the replies. I've tried leaving the battery till it was almost drained but maybe I'll let it go completely flat and charge it see if that makes a difference?
Also trying juice defender from the market to see if that helps. Not sure if it is a problem with the firmware though been looking around and a few people seem to have had the problem with no real solution
Might have to go back to 2.2 but would prefer not to as I've noticed a big decrease in lag on 2.2.1. Also can't remember what version of 2.2 I had I'll see how the battery life goes over the next few days after trying a couple of drain/charging cycles hopefully won't have to downgrade it. Come on 2.3.2
Thanks for the replies so far
Battery Bug is Major issue with all the versions of 2.2.1, Battery life is very bad. Even the Browser is worst in 2.2.1. May be in 2.3 it will get fixed.
I have tested all the new releases of 2.2.1. I found its smooth and fast.
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... replies. I've tried leaving the battery till it was almost drained but maybe I'll let it go completely flat and charge it see if that makes a difference?
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Very very bad idea to let the battery go completly flat, it's the best way to damage it and even lose 20% of his initial capacity. Never go under 10%.
To calibrate it properly, wait 10% turn off the phone, fully charge it, restart. (do it again 3 times).
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Very very bad idea to let the battery go completly flat, it's the best way to damage it and even lose 20% of his initial capacity. Never go under 10%.
To calibrate it properly, wait 10% turn off the phone, fully charge it, restart. (do it again 3 times).
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The battery is calibrated to do this already, the charging circuit will not allow power to the device unless there is a certain amount of charge in the battery. It's there to protect the battery from this exact eventuality.
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The battery is calibrated to do this already, the charging circuit will not allow power to the device unless there is a certain amount of charge in the battery. It's there to protect the battery from this exact eventuality.
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That's how it's supposed to be in an ideal world.
Hi all;
so over the last few months i have flashed many custom roms, kernels etc...and always had battery issues...i have tried jugs battery fix, wiping battery stats..following many other battery optimization threads..but i never got the battery life i once had (when i first bought my phone)...
a few days ago my phone totally crashed..wouldnt charge etc..and i ended up having to do a complete restore..i did this by following these instructions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRFJJFW-XxI
....so from there, i unlocked again, reloaded CWM etc and i loaded 2.3.4 flashable zip (found in the forums) via CWM.
and voila..battery life AMAZING....after 8hours im usually still at 85%...by evening time after using the phone all day im still at about 60%
from here do what you want with roms..
i loaded the alien rom without adding the themes..and the battery life is as stated above..
so if you are having issues try hard resetting the phone then re unlocking the BL and upgrading via cwm to 2.3.4
my battery life i back to amazing.....
p.s. would be great if someone else who is having issues tried this and reported back as well...
p.s. this worked for me but i am not responsible if you mess up your phone!
Erm..
Ok Ill bite >,>
Where are these camera buttons your referring to in this guide of yours Atrix has three hard buttons and four soft buttons power, vol- and vol+ and menu home back and search.... you hard mod a camera button into this already packed phone Ill like to hear it XP
Interesting..
Couple of q's:
- which camera button?
- unlock bootloader again? Once unlocked it stays unlocked.
- I don't understand how doing a reset leads you to unlocking the bootloader again?
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updated the hard reset instructions to reference a youtube video (not mine but describes how to do it)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRFJJFW-XxI
it doesn't actually re-lock the bootloader. The BootLogo is replaced with the stock logo, which does NOT include the "UNLOCKED" in the upper left hand corner
sorry i didnt realize that..so skip this step for anyone that is going to try it...
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it doesn't actually re-lock the bootloader. The BootLogo is replaced with the stock logo, which does NOT include the "UNLOCKED" in the upper left hand corner
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well dont have the old recovery and even if i did cant read the things at all quality is very bad
me too really can't understand it properly, i need to get back that battery time, but How? can anyone else explain it Please?
Anyone except TC try this with sucess? I have Alien 4 with stock kernel and i am getting about 15 to 20 hours before death.
I could be wrong, but I'm fairly confident that the following information is correct:
Doing a factory reset on the stock android recovery simply wipes data, cache, and dalvik - all of which can be done with any of the after market recoveries.
I am unsure as to whether or not factory reset also wipes the battery stats in the stock android recovery.
Edit: It is highly recommended to wipe the battery stats after you install a new ROM or kernel. To do so the quick and easy way - charge the phone to 100%, reboot to recovery, clear battery, reboot. If is then recommended that you let the phone die (or at least get low) followed by a full charge 2-3 times to make the battery accurate. The most involved way to reset the battery stats is to charge to full with the phone off. When it says 100%, pull the battery, plug it back in, let it charge for an additional hour or two while still off like this. It will likely not show 100% after an hour or two, that's fine. Boot into recovery, wipe stats, start up the phone, then unplug it. Follow this will drains and full charges 2-3 times and you will be set. This helps to fix poor battery life when it is caused by a battery that will not fully charge.
OP you should try to drain the battery down to nothing. A lot of people who screw up their battery stats end up with bad battery, however at times you can get a very slow draining batter that will give you 20 hours with 60% left, and then when the phone hits 53% (random example), the battery will fall from there to dead in just a few minutes. This happened to me when I first flashed Ninja SF. I was amazed the battery until I decided to let the phone actually die.
DK
Well im on Cm7 so far only 48% left after 18 hours of moderate use
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hi i did try what you said below and it didnt give me the same results...
DeathKoil said:
I could be wrong, but I'm fairly confident that the following information is correct:
Doing a factory reset on the stock android recovery simply wipes data, cache, and dalvik - all of which can be done with any of the after market recoveries.
I am unsure as to whether or not factory reset also wipes the battery stats in the stock android recovery.
Edit: It is highly recommended to wipe the battery stats after you install a new ROM or kernel. To do so the quick and easy way - charge the phone to 100%, reboot to recovery, clear battery, reboot. If is then recommended that you let the phone die (or at least get low) followed by a full charge 2-3 times to make the battery accurate. The most involved way to reset the battery stats is to charge to full with the phone off. When it says 100%, pull the battery, plug it back in, let it charge for an additional hour or two while still off like this. It will likely not show 100% after an hour or two, that's fine. Boot into recovery, wipe stats, start up the phone, then unplug it. Follow this will drains and full charges 2-3 times and you will be set. This helps to fix poor battery life when it is caused by a battery that will not fully charge.
OP you should try to drain the battery down to nothing. A lot of people who screw up their battery stats end up with bad battery, however at times you can get a very slow draining batter that will give you 20 hours with 60% left, and then when the phone hits 53% (random example), the battery will fall from there to dead in just a few minutes. This happened to me when I first flashed Ninja SF. I was amazed the battery until I decided to let the phone actually die.
DK
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I'll post everything I've tried and everything that's gone wrong here.
So initially I purchased this phone off of a friend nearly brand new, the screen had broken and had been replaced. Otherwise the phone is in perfect factory condition.
I unlocked the phone, and am using it on Rogers. APN settings working perfectly.
I installed GOLauncherEX on the phone as Motoblur wasn't doing it for me.
Battery life was crap (lasting hardly 3 hours and dying while I sleep). I found that Motoblur HOME had been running alongside GOLauncherEX. At first I simply uninstalled the third-party launcher, but then opted to grab LauncherPro+ and HomeSwitcher. This dramatically improved battery life.
Lately, I've been having issues once in awhile again. Mostly if I leave the phone unplugged while I'm sleeping (fully charged when unplugged) and we'll use the timeline 3am - 11am. It would either die completely or drop to around 15%.
As long as I could have enough charge to last me through work, I was fine with this as it was way better than what had been happening before.
This morning something extreme and unexplainable happened.. and it's the first time I took a look at the battery usage meter to see what had happened. Picture is below.
If someone could offer some tips or help that would benefit me even the slightest, it would be very much appreciated.
My bad for sneaking a link in, but it was the only way to show the issue.
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(Remove the space between 1297964 and 124 at the end)
Oh and also, phone is rooted, bloatware is frozen via Titanium Backup Pro.
Have you recalibrated?
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Have you recalibrated?
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Do you have any suggestions as to what to use to calibrate?
I'm not keen on flashing any new roms if that makes a difference.
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Do you have any suggestions as to what to use to calibrate?
I'm not keen on flashing any new roms if that makes a difference.
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Calibrating is something you may need to do after flashing a ROM, you can search and find a guide or you can use this app.
I have not flashed any new roms and I don't intend on doing so, but I'll check out the app you posted.
Thanks for your help,
any new ideas are still welcome.
The benefits of battery calibration are not limited to only if you flash a new ROM. Battery calibration should be the first thing you try if you are experiencing battery troubles imo, and there is allot more in depth information in the guides you could search for.
There is one more thing I can think of you can try, download Watchdog and see if there are any malicious or poorly written apps burning up your cpu/battery.
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The benefits of battery calibration are not limited to only if you flash a new ROM. Battery calibration should be the first thing you try if you are experiencing battery troubles imo, and there is allot more in depth information in the guides you could search for.
There is one more thing I can think of you can try, download Watchdog and see if there are any malicious or poorly written apps burning up your cpu/battery.
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Thanks for your help, grabbing Watchdog now.
Maybe unlock the bootloader and flash a custom rom?
Go into account and sync and shut off background data. I was getting. 10-12 hours battery life and now over 30 by just doing that. Worked for a buddy at work too.
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Radio is key. After I flashed radio 1.77.30p, my phone can easily using 3 days without freeze anything.
Do not use 1.97 radio and don't use task killers. 2.3.4 gingerbread does a much better job of killing tasks than Froyo did and it's unnecessary. Also, turning off background data is not necessary.
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Do not use 1.97 radio and don't use task killers. 2.3.4 gingerbread does a much better job of killing tasks than Froyo did and it's unnecessary. Also, turning off background data is not necessary.
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I would say it is. Apps including google will try and update and locate your phone via 3g and gps when its sitting there idle. Its not necessary if you only install apps that dont use background data, or disable them individually but some dont allow it.
I still was able to get 15 hours with data enabled and over 30 with it disabled. There is a huge difference there. I just have to open my yahoo now to update it which I dont mind.
While I appreciate everyone's replies and help, has anyone actually looked at the picture I posted?
As much as I am most definitely interested in prolonging my battery life, that picture is showing a sudden drop from 70% to completely dead, idling, screen off, while I'm asleep.
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While I appreciate everyone's replies and help, has anyone actually looked at the picture I posted?
As much as I am most definitely interested in prolonging my battery life, that picture is showing a sudden drop from 70% to completely dead, idling, screen off, while I'm asleep.
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I would purchase a new battery from Motorola, It looks like your battery has one or more bad cells in it. Only thing that really explains it. Even with everything turned ON as far as data - the battery should not drop that far that fast.
i'm not entirely sure whats going on with the charge level dropping so sharply. Either something is draining your battery big time or the readout when it says 100% is incorrect.
I had issues with the battery up time as well. In my case, the battery wouldnt last more than 8-9 hours. I had to charge it two times a day. Once overnight so its 100% when i go to work and again as soon as i get home. If i charged to 100%, unplugged and went to bed, it would be at 15-20% when i woke up.
The last time i went abroad, i left the radio turned off completely. I noticed that the battery held its charge for about a day and a half.
Now i did root, unlock the BL and install CM7 on my phone. It seemed better but not that much. After i setup the phone to NOT use my 3G data connection while my wifi was on, i noticed that i was getting great battery life when i was at home but still rubbish at work.
I'm doing a test right now to see if this makes a difference or not. I have turned off data on my phone all together this morning. I charged it to 100%. Normally after 6 hours at work, my phone is at about 30-35%
Right now its sitting at 75%
the 3g is whats killing the battery, on my phone anyway. I will see how long the battery lasts without turning on my data at all. Then i will compare that with how its like with background data turned off.
I would suggest you try re-calibrating your phone's battery, i use battery calibration from the market. Then either turn data off altogether like i have or just turn background data off as the others have suggested and see what kind of a difference it makes.
While i realize you dont want to, it may help further to have a ROM like CM7 installed as it wont have all the bloatware that can further reduce the performance of your phone. You should definitely give turning the data off a go to see its the culprit before you go spend money on a new battery which may or may not fix the problem.
Best to isolate the root cause before you spend money on fixing it. If turning off the data doesnt do it, then you very well may have a battery problem.
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i'm not entirely sure whats going on with the charge level dropping so sharply. Either something is draining your battery big time or the readout when it says 100% is incorrect.
I had issues with the battery up time as well. In my case, the battery wouldnt last more than 8-9 hours. I had to charge it two times a day. Once overnight so its 100% when i go to work and again as soon as i get home. If i charged to 100%, unplugged and went to bed, it would be at 15-20% when i woke up.
The last time i went abroad, i left the radio turned off completely. I noticed that the battery held its charge for about a day and a half.
Now i did root, unlock the BL and install CM7 on my phone. It seemed better but not that much. After i setup the phone to NOT use my 3G data connection while my wifi was on, i noticed that i was getting great battery life when i was at home but still rubbish at work.
I'm doing a test right now to see if this makes a difference or not. I have turned off data on my phone all together this morning. I charged it to 100%. Normally after 6 hours at work, my phone is at about 30-35%
Right now its sitting at 75%
the 3g is whats killing the battery, on my phone anyway. I will see how long the battery lasts without turning on my data at all. Then i will compare that with how its like with background data turned off.
I would suggest you try re-calibrating your phone's battery, i use battery calibration from the market. Then either turn data off altogether like i have or just turn background data off as the others have suggested and see what kind of a difference it makes.
While i realize you dont want to, it may help further to have a ROM like CM7 installed as it wont have all the bloatware that can further reduce the performance of your phone. You should definitely give turning the data off a go to see its the culprit before you go spend money on a new battery which may or may not fix the problem.
Best to isolate the root cause before you spend money on fixing it. If turning off the data doesnt do it, then you very well may have a battery problem.
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I'll definitely try everything you've mentioned, I did calibrate my battery since I first started this topic. I'm not sure if there's a difference, if there is, it isn't noticeable. My phone died last night, and I charged it overnight again so I haven't had a chance to see if what happened the other night will happen again. Soon enough, I'll post details if I notice anything peculiar.
Since you said you bought the phone off a friend I would like to make sure you have the right battery.
The battery "must" be of the following to show the right charge level, otherwise it might appear the battery discharging very quickly.
The part/model no.: SNN5893A
Manufacturing Date: ??/April/2011 or onwards
In regards to the poster above who mentioned shutting off background data, my phone lasts 17-19 hours running CM7 with nothing frozen, background data on, and I record quite a bit of video + pictures every day. I don't use task killers either. So I'm thinking that maybe the background data thing is either actually covering up a radio problem, a carrier issue, previous ROM information leaking through, or a faulty battery as stated above that could possibly need replaced.
Hello!
I updated to 7.0 last Friday and the phone has been acting very well, overall.
But I am having some problems with the battery life. In actuality, it can last 3 days in standby, but I feel like the "Phone Idle" is eating WAY too much battery regardless.
The drain when in standby, for example, should be closer to 1% for 7-8 hours, but for me it is closer to 7-8%, almost 1 % drain per hour in a supposedly sleeping state.
Right now, my stats are as follows, after 1 day and 10 hours (with 1 day 3 hours left):
Screen 30% (2h 23m SoT, 677mAh)
Phone Idle 20% (1d 10h, 459mAh)
Google Play Services 11% (radio active 1h 24m, 246mAh)
Cell Standby 10% (radio active 4m 45s, 234 mAh)
Android OS 6%
Android System 5%
... the rest is some apps with negligible usage.
So, this tells me that something is very wrong with Phone idle. It has consumed almost as much as the screen.
I read a lot about this issue and a large number of reports claim that doing a factory reset does not fix the problem. I am scared to do a reset, since Debloater no longer works in Android 7, and I will not be able to deactivate crap like all facebook services and What's New. So, it's a bit of a no-exit situation... I don't think rooting and using custom roms is a good idea for me, as I would like to retain warranty of my device until it expires. I plan to root and modify it after that.
Still, are any of you experiencing this issue since the Nougat update? Any ideas on how to solve it?
So far, suggestions include:
- removing SD card
- turning adaptive brightness OFF
- turning location accuracy to battery-saving mode
- turning Wi-Fi awake ON (only when charging), or OFF
- going to App settings and selecting 'reset all app settings'
- wipe cache partition by holding power and volume up keys (while phone is on) until you feel 3 vibrations
I've already done these things today (except sd cards, no way I am giving that up) so it's early to say if they helped.
Feel free to use this thread even if you just want to share your problem-free battery experience on android 7 with your Sony Z5C. I am curious to see how does a "perfectly fine" z5c unit perform in terms of battery, on Android 7. What is the "real" expected real-life performance?
Thanks for reading.
The things you suggest are not gonna change too much.
* Resetting app settings or removing your SD card is not gonna do anything at all.
* The location accuracy can make a little difference (let's say 2% at the end of the day) but the problem with location settings isn't HOW it's gonna look for a location, but HOW MANY TIMES. If you want longer idle, location services should be off (in one or another way) when your phone is sleeping.
In my eyes, with the things you have been doing is not worth the hassle.
** With Nougat, you still have the opportunity to extend your battery life a lot with apps like
Doze Settings Editor
My Android Tools
And you'll have to debloat.
I'm still testing these possibilities. But I just got on Nougat today, and with my initial settings, I broke some functionality I need. (Alarm Clock didn't work in deep sleep and I couldn't install WhatsApp). Maybe I get it working the way I want in the next few days or week, but I guess so.
** Having a kernel that allows you to change governors can also make a huge difference. Governors will give you the opportunity to buy (a lot of) battery life and to reduce heat, but you pay with performance.
** One more thing that can make a huge difference, is performing a clean install. So you need to install Nougat (or whatever ROM you use) on a clean system, and install your apps manually.
"I am curious to see how does a "perfectly fine" z5c unit perform in terms of battery, on Android 7. What is the "real" expected real-life performance?"
-->> With these things done and Doze/MyAndroidTools optimized, your phone shouldn't use more than 2-3% overnight. On an optimized MM (with XPosed/Greenify/Amplify) I had to recharge about 2 times a week. Maybe on Nougat it will be a little bit less because there's no XPosed/Amplify, but it should be possible that your battery life will be about three times as long as you have right now.
** If you want a better understanding about battery life, forget about these stats. You won't learn anything from the stats (like you gave us). Instead you can use an app like Better Battery Stats. Especially in (deep) sleep, knowing as much as possible about wakelocks is quite essential.
By the way, you can't call that a "real" expected thing. Battery life is always a compromise, and balanced with performance. Optimization (in the way I'm speaking about) is that much more than limiting performance/apps/widgets while you use your phone, and turning your phone in a dead object as soon as possible when the screen is off.
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Thank you for this response, it's quite elaborate. But I am fully convinced that the Phone Idle issue is not due to ANY of my settings and should not plague a device, even if it is non-rooted. Most of the suggestions you added would require root, or operations that are beyond what I am willing to risk right now. Even the simple root would likely require me to downgrade to 6 and most likely brick my device due to unreliable nature of many of these guides.
I will definitely be trying out the BBS non-root edition as soon as I get home and manage to activate it properly.
But, overall, a stock non-rooted android 7 should not drain as much battery in idle mode. I know that via rooting you can get as close to 0.2% battery drain per hour. But what about no root?
Ultimately, I will root the device at some point when warranty has expired, or is close to, and I will get it to drain extremely slow with xposed and some tweaking. But we shouldn't be required to do this for normal battery life. It's becoming ridiculous at this point.
BTW. Is doing the "Repair" thing from Sony PC Companion equatable to doing a "clean install"? In other words, can I do this without having to actually re-install a rom completely and without rooting the device?
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Thank you for this response, it's quite elaborate. But I am fully convinced that the Phone Idle issue is not due to ANY of my settings and should not plague a device, even if it is non-rooted. Most of the suggestions you added would require root, or operations that are beyond what I am willing to risk right now. Even the simple root would likely require me to downgrade to 6 and most likely brick my device due to unreliable nature of many of these guides.
I will definitely be trying out the BBS non-root edition as soon as I get home and manage to activate it properly.
But, overall, a stock non-rooted android 7 should not drain as much battery in idle mode. I know that via rooting you can get as close to 0.2% battery drain per hour. But what about no root?
Ultimately, I will root the device at some point when warranty has expired, or is close to, and I will get it to drain extremely slow with xposed and some tweaking. But we shouldn't be required to do this for normal battery life. It's becoming ridiculous at this point.
BTW. Is doing the "Repair" thing from Sony PC Companion equatable to doing a "clean install"? In other words, can I do this without having to actually re-install a rom completely and without rooting the device?
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Haha, I'm bad in keeping my stories short.
If you're non-rooted, you won't ever get that experience. Not even close. It depends on the apps you're using, but a few messenger-apps (like facebook/fb messenger/whatsapp) + some google apps like maps/calendar/... or weather apps rely heavily on location settings, and they always want to sync or connect with their mothership. To illustrate my point, at a certain point last year I had done some dirty flashes, I had quite some apps and widgets like this installed, but in the end it drained 30% battery overnight. After clean install + debloater it went down to 10% overnight. After heavily tweaking with Amplify/MyAndroidTools/Greenify and so on, it went down to 1% overnight.
Without root, the only thing major thing you can do is: clean install. Almost everything else (with a large enough impact on battery life) is beyond your control. Apparently the choice of developers is to implement smooth and always-up-to-date apps and widget, always ready to serve you the latest news/messages and so on. I agree with you that smartphones these days aren't lean at all. And there are no secret settings that will give you a much better battery life all of a sudden.
I've never used PC Companion. I've no idea what it does or how it works exactly. I don't think it's powerful enough to solve issues with wakelocks.
Literally:
* If you want control over Android, you need to root. Without root: no control whatsoever;
* Clean install = everything out, fresh start. You can't paint your wall without removing your paintings.
Thanks again for the great response. And PC Companion is Sony's default software that comes with their devices and is used to backup/reset/update, etc.
To clarify, I never expected any secret battery options that will solve all my problems. I was rather hoping that it's a well-known problem with a possible non-root solution.
As to rooting, yeah - I would love to do it, but I am afraid your guide won't work for 7.0, would it? I am already using 32.3.A.0.376-R2D. In any case, rooting so soon after buying it (a few months) is not something I am rushing to do.
Also, to add something else - my old Z1, when it was on KitKat 4.4, used to last me 5 days with low usage EASILY. The thing actually drained about 1% per night without having to root it, with the normal stock features and 3G network on all the time. Something just went wrong down the road for many manufacturers and their relationship with the android OS. The battery life became abysmal for me after android 5 and above it.
And then, at work, I have a Nexus 5x on my desk for testing, which lasts 6 days in standby with a battery which is not dramatically bigger, with no root. But it has no SIM card or 3g/4g on at all, only WiFi.
This brings me to believe that you are absolutely right about location services.
And a last question... if I am to root now, from FW 32.3.A.0.376-R2D, what would you say would be the most reliable method? I saw your guide and really liked it, but it seems to require MM to begin with. Seen many other guides, but in each guide there are responses about frozen/bricked devices, or issies with no working camera/finger scanner/etc... It's a bit worrying.
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Thanks again for the great response. And PC Companion is Sony's default software that comes with their devices and is used to backup/reset/update, etc.
To clarify, I never expected any secret battery options that will solve all my problems. I was rather hoping that it's a well-known problem with a possible non-root solution.
As to rooting, yeah - I would love to do it, but I am afraid your guide won't work for 7.0, would it? I am already using 32.3.A.0.376-R2D. In any case, rooting so soon after buying it (a few months) is not something I am rushing to do.
Also, to add something else - my old Z1, when it was on KitKat 4.4, used to last me 5 days with low usage EASILY. The thing actually drained about 1% per night without having to root it, with the normal stock features and 3G network on all the time. Something just went wrong down the road for many manufacturers and their relationship with the android OS. The battery life became abysmal for me after android 5 and above it.
And then, at work, I have a Nexus 5x on my desk for testing, which lasts 6 days in standby with a battery which is not dramatically bigger, with no root. But it has no SIM card or 3g/4g on at all, only WiFi.
This brings me to believe that you are absolutely right about location services.
And a last question... if I am to root now, from FW 32.3.A.0.376-R2D, what would you say would be the most reliable method? I saw your guide and really liked it, but it seems to require MM to begin with. Seen many other guides, but in each guide there are responses about frozen/bricked devices, or issies with no working camera/finger scanner/etc... It's a bit worrying.
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The guide I wrote is actually outdated. I wrote it in the first weeks after MM was released.
IF you want to root, it's actually not that difficult.
0. Prepare your computer, because you need the right drivers and some tools.
1. If it's the first time you unlock your bootloader, you might want to backup your TA-partition. I leave the details to other people, there are great guides about it in this subforum. As far as I know, to do this, you need to go back to marshmellow. I've never done this, because I unlocked my bootloader before there where any tools or any knowledge available about how to do this. So my original TA partition is gone forever (and I've never missed it).
2. Flash Nougat. This is really simple. You only have to download a (large) file, click a few buttons in flashtool, drink a coffee, and it's done.
3. Make a kernel with Rootkernel. It's basically like following a recipe, and in the end you have a file (the kernel) which you can install with the tools on your computer. In this step, you made root access and TWRP-recovery.
4. Reboot
Personally (and I know not everybody will agree), I wouldn't bother with backup of the TA partition. So *I* would just unlock the bootloader and move on. But your first step should be: make yourself familiar with basic adb commands and with how to make and restore a (full) backup. I really don't know why it causes so much problems for some people. It's true, sometimes you run into unexpected behavior. But then you have 2 options. Go back to last TWRP-backup or get your **** together and start from scratch.
By the way, if I was you (with your priorities), I wouldn't upgrade to Nougat. There are much more tools available to optimize marshmallow. Install some of them, get familiar with them, and in a few days you have a reliable and battery-friendly system.
Hm, these are some fair points.
Thanks for that little root guide - but why would you skip backing up the TA partition? Wouldn't that break some core functionalities? At least that's what I've read (cause I did go through most of the root guides for MM in this section).
I guess people have problems because the guides are sometimes incomplete, or people themselves are not following them properly. I would not expect myself to mess-up instructions, and whenever I have problems with guides, it's usually some kind of disparity between my side and their side. Or the guide is wrong, or something is missing. Many things can go wrong, yeah.
It's not that I am not willing to take risks, it's more that I might end up getting the overheat issue at some point - and at that point I would like to use my warranty. If I mess up anything, the warranty will be lost too soon.
Furthermore, I believe Nougat is far superior to MM, and I am willing to wait unofficial development to continue for at least another year. Perhaps in that time the z5c will have stopped receiving official updates, and we can all settle on some rooted, stable and working version of (probably) 7.1 or smth a bit after it, with working Xposed framework as well. At that point I would like to root and truly make the device shine in terms of battery life.
But for now, I'll have to limit myself with a factory reset at MOST.
I am doing an experiment now, after charging the phone completely. Turned location services off, and google services to "battery saving mode". I've turned wi-fi to off and am just going to be using a constant LTE connection. Auto sync is on.
I'd like to see how the phone handles this configuration without further intervention. So far, after 30 minutes post-charge, it's still sitting at 100%. But I'll have to check the overnight drain to verify any actual improvement. In any case, my 100% charged phone predicts 3 days of standby in the battery settings.
edit: looks good after 1 hour (https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bwg-0GLG0gP9Wmt1ekZCTFNnS3c)
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Hm, these are some fair points.
Thanks for that little root guide - but why would you skip backing up the TA partition? Wouldn't that break some core functionalities? At least that's what I've read (cause I did go through most of the root guides for MM in this section).
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Mwa, yes and no.
Yes 1: By unlocking bootloader you break your TA partition and loose functionality.
Yes 2: If you ever want to go back to a phone which is unrooted and locked with all functionality, you need that backup.
No 1: There are DRM-fixes. Rootkernel (and the entire 2nd or 3rd step in my other comment) will fix DRM-keys too. And about every modified kernel you'll find over here has that DRM-fix + a few tweaks, so you don't have to worry, you won't miss anything.
I guess there are two kind of people. Some people say "You never know if you ever gonna need it, so you would be stupid not to back it up. After you click that button it will be gone. Forever." They are right. Some people say "Why bother, it's too much work, in the end you'll loose that backup, and actually you won't ever use it. And if it doesn't go smooth, it will give you unnecessary stress". They are right too. I'm in the second group. And I don't want to convince you that what I say is anything better than what others say, I'm just explaining my view...
Also, a lot of tools we use to experiment and tweak the sh#t out of our Z5C are highly experimental and not debugged. I don't care because partially it's a fun way to play around with it and I don't rely on my phone. If it doesn't work tonight, I'll find a way to make it work tomorrow. Again, that's my view...
By the way, I had to send my phone back to sony with a problem (unrelated hardware issue), and my warranty wasn't void.
Ha, that's very interesting. Perhaps they didn't bother to check for root at all, or they did and did not care. Maybe it's really hit and miss...
Overall, I am not extremely worried about it, as the device has actually been acting good so far, with no sign of hardware problems.
Also, I am not really going to gain that much by rooting Android 7, and I have no desire to have to stay on 6. When Xposed is well-developed and reliable on nougat, I'll probably go through the most promising method I can find and do the modifications that are required.
And yeah, I get your point about having fun, and I agree completely. But this device is important to me and I can't really risk it at the moment.
Anyways, the device is at 98% after 3 hours + of idle, which doesn't look too bad. I think perhaps adding the Greenify app might improve it a bit more, making it quite strong as a result, without the need of any root.
On more thing. Actually battery life on Nougat seems to excellent.
I did 4 things (not much work):
1) Edit doze settings more aggressively Doze Settings Editor, with the built-in "GeraldRudi"-preset. It should work on non-root too, but with slightly less aggressive settings.
2) Greenify, of course without the XPosed settings, and without aggressive doze. I think this didn't have any impact on battery performance/deep sleep, because Doze Settings was much more aggressive.
3) Tasker-module to put auto-sync off at night.
4) Kernel Adiutor to set governor to interactive. Obviously at night there was about no load on the CPU at all, but I did it to reduce heat.
All the rest is pretty standard. A lot of Google Apps are installed, messengers (FB messenger, WhatsApp) and social media, I even have a weather widget installed; all working normally.
Overnight it didn't use any power: 0,0% drain per hour; 0% over a 10h period of time. -->> battery stats
That's insane!!!! Big ups
I will absolutely try the Doze editor.
Sadly, no tasker with no root, but I might as well turn off auto-sync manually at night.
The kernel editor, I'm guessing, is also off-limits for me with no root.
What I did was to just turn off location and use greenify. My current idle draw is 0.66%.
But your is perfect. That's exactly what I want to achieve. Close to 0% draw when idle. That's how it should be.
Do you think it will be possible to achieve similar results with just the doze settings from step 1? (+turning auto sync off at night)
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That's insane!!!! Big ups
I will absolutely try the Doze editor.
Sadly, no tasker with no root, but I might as well turn off auto-sync manually at night.
The kernel editor, I'm guessing, is also off-limits for me with no root.
What I did was to just turn off location and use greenify. My current idle draw is 0.66%.
But your is perfect. That's exactly what I want to achieve. Close to 0% draw when idle. That's how it should be.
Do you think it will be possible to achieve similar results with just the doze settings from step 1? (+turning auto sync off at night)
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Your idle time doesn't look bad at all. Without something like that Better Battery Stats it's hard to guess if some apps use CPU/power/... or cause unnecessary wakelocks, but if you use 6-7% over 10h idle time, it's not that bad.
As far as I know, changing governor without root is a no-go. Not possible, only the system has the right permissions. By the way, this should affect idle time that much, it mostly affects your phone while you use it.
Doze Editor should make a difference, because it speeds up the time after you turn off your device to put it in deep sleep. Out-of-the-box, that takes a long time (I don't know how long, but it's suggested to be about 30 minutes). Standard settings in Doze Editor, which you can use with adb and without root, bring that back to 3 minutes. It's fully explained in that Doze Settings-thread.
Thanks for the info
I tried Greenify since last night and it seemed to actually slow my device down. I could literally sense lag in the OS and nothing else could explain it. There was also a delay with every hit of the power button before the screen comes on. This, to me, was more bad than good, so I uninstalled this app. Perhaps it truly is a bit useless, or even detrimental to performance without root.
These Doze settings is what I will be trying out tonight, but I fear it might be a similar story to Greenify and not help me much without having root, or even potentially slow the device down?
Furthermore, I uninstalled all Google Play services updates and re-installed it. It used to take ~450mb of space, now it's back to ~150mb.
Hopefully, this will improve the Google services battery drain, because right now it is on the top of the list:
79% battery left, 2d 16h remaining:
25% google play services
15% phone idle
15% screen
12% cell standby
So, play services is still hogging too much battery, even with location off.
I re-installed it, so I have yet to see if this has any positive effect.
Z4 tablet problem too
I'm getting high battery drain on idle on my Z4 tablet, haven't attempted any fix yet.
My experience is a very big battery drain even if a clean install. I used MyAndroidTools to stop all unnecessary Google Play Services , with Kernel Audiutor I selected interactive governor CPU, with Doze I used GeraldRudi presetting. Switching off LTE, wifi, bluetooth and data , in less than 3 hours I loose 30% of battery, can not arrive to evening with a charge. I am back on 6.0.1 and I am able to recharge my Z5C every two days !
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My experience is a very big battery drain even if a clean install. I used MyAndroidTools to stop all unnecessary Google Play Services , with Kernel Audiutor I selected interactive governor CPU, with Doze I used GeraldRudi presetting. Switching off LTE, wifi, bluetooth and data , in less than 3 hours I loose 30% of battery, can not arrive to evening with a charge. I am back on 6.0.1 and I am able to recharge my Z5C every two days !
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That definitely sounds like you have one of those problematic units, with overheating and extreme battery drain, or perhaps it was due to a bug in the 7.0 ROM you used.
I am still able to get 2 days of my phone with 7.0 and no root, but that to me seems very unsatisfactory. Such a battery should easily last you a week with a single charge with LTE on, if you keep it idle most of the time. In my case, that's up to 3 days. If you see jenana's battery stats, it is possible to achieve almost 0.0% drain per hour at the cost of some performance. In those conditions, with ULTRA stamina on, your phone should last about a full month in idle mode with active network signal reception during that full period of time (but not LTE and other extras).
6.0.1 should be even better due to the Xposed framework, but I don't think that more than a month is a realistic with any OS and the current batteries.
Surely, 2 days is ridiculous. I don't use my phone much some days and the drain seems to be flat. It should be ALMOST 0% per hour. I assure you, even auto-syncing should be fully usable at all times without any kind of insane battery drain.
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I'm getting high battery drain on idle on my Z4 tablet, haven't attempted any fix yet.
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Seems I am in the same boat as you I really was enjoying Nougat, but I cannot live with half a day of charge. Last thing to try unrooted nougat and phh's superuser. Maybe this can resolve the massive drain. It is sad, really. I will report back with my findings...
I would appreciate any hint on to overcome this issue.
Cheers everyone!
Poor for me. I can get a day's worth out with about 3 to 4 hrs SOT but usually now my battery is less than 10% when I put it on charge. Marshmallow I was easily getting 4hrs SOT and down around 20 to 30% battery left. I love nougat but battery life is really poor. I have a mate who had x compact and 2 hrs SOT only uses about 25% battery. I just don't get it, so must be Sony with a poor ROM and not tested correctly or nougat not designed for this phone.
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Hey, I can not understand it when people say the battery runs better than never before. I updated to 32.3.A.0.378, Sony has put the CPU on the best performance "performance". So with me runs the Z5C on the settings max. 10 hours. In the plaintext, I need root to convert this as it did at Marshmallow "interactive".
For everybody that experiences battery drain and heat problems: try rooting the phone with phh superuser instead of superSu. I couldn't get through a single day with superSu. Now, the phone is cool and endurance of battery is back to normal.
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