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Honeycomb ROM, are we going to let the nook guys beat us?

Picture me in the braveheart costume for this: the nookcolor has an early port of honeycomb working already. They skipped right over froyo and gingerbread, how dare they! The nook isn't even a true android tablet, I say we fight, show them what a real 3.0 tablet looks like! Who's with me?
Seriously though, any gen 8 devs have an idea here? I'm aware the full SDK isnt even out but can we do it? I'm not a programmer but i pledge my time and brain to the cause. I'd even throw $20 to the dev.

I can draw a boot screen for it in MS Paint.
I bought my 101 knowing that Froyo would be acceptable, but hoping that there would be community support to bring Gingerbread along too.

Not going to happen on the 70 until source is out. The emulator image won't run at the 70's resolution. The launcher just crashes. Could happen on the 101 though. I only have the 70 so not much i can do to help with that device.

LOL. I was coming here to post the exact same question.
I hope that Archos understands that They need to be proactive with respect to pushing new versions of Android. I have a Moto Cliq, and Motorola hasn't even tried to push Froyo out yet. It is so annoying to be a step behind everyone else. I hope Archos isn't going to take the same approach.

If you look closely you will see that the honeycomb in there is running on a 2.6.29 kernel.
So there schould be no real problem.

When the full SDK Source code is released can we expect a ROM? I really hope so, although I'm fairly confident Archos will follow through and give us an official release.

I blame availability (Nook is about everywhere). Hopefully in the upcoming days I will be donating my Archos to a group of people who do AOSP work.

Tsusai said:
I blame availability (Nook is about everywhere). Hopefully in the upcoming days I will be donating my Archos to a group of people who do AOSP work.
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Won't we need a custom bootloader before we can load a new ROM? Isn't is b/c Archos has signed and encrypted the actual "ROM" layer of Android that we can't flash our own ROMs?
From my understanding, and someone please correct me if I am wrong since I'm just learning, Archos has file system protections on Application Framework, the Andriod Runtime, and the Libraries but has unlocked the Kernel layer in the SDE for us (http://developer.android.com/guide/basics/what-is-android.html) . Essentially we can adjust how the hardware interacts with their mostly vanilla versions of Eclair and Froyo but can't change what is a majority of what people call the "ROM". It seems that $auron and a few others are gifted with finding ways to change the way the ROM functions by programming at the Kernel level.
Of course, this is what I've pieced together from tons of different sources so I'm open to someone correcting me...

With SDE we can boot just about anything as long as it has the drivers to play nice with the hardware in the Archos. A version of Android built for tablets would be relatively easy compared to some of the schemes people have been trying.
What you say is true for most devices, but giving us the SDE side of things was a real nice gift by Archos. Basically they handed us the keys and told us if we broke it we bought it, which is what a lot of people have been asking the manufacturers of other devices to do for a long time.

p0rk burn said:
What you say is true for most devices, but giving us the SDE side of things was a real nice gift by Archos. Basically they handed us the keys and told us if we broke it we bought it, which is what a lot of people have been asking the manufacturers of other devices to do for a long time.
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That's correct

chulri said:
That's correct
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and it will even keep me buying archos products. which is really what they want.
maybe they will get into the phone business....

L0$t$0ul said:
Not going to happen on the 70 until source is out. The emulator image won't run at the 70's resolution. The launcher just crashes. Could happen on the 101 though. I only have the 70 so not much i can do to help with that device.
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They just made it run on a Dell Streak, and it's 800x480 like archos 70 ... so ...

p0rk burn said:
Basically they handed us the keys and told us if we broke it we bought it, which is what a lot of people have been asking the manufacturers of other devices to do for a long time.
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Um...I'm pretty sure I bought it already. It cost 275.

lechuckthepirate said:
They just made it run on a Dell Streak, and it's 800x480 like archos 70 ... so ...
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Streaks source is open ,isn't it?
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Moved to general as not android development

If you look at the video that was just posted for the streak it "looks" like they got it working by somehow telling the launcher to launch at a different resolution from the screen so a lot of stuff is off screen on the launcher.
From what I could see from tinkering with the 70 and the sdk the launcher itself will crash if you try to start it up at 800x480. I'm not sure if that can be fixed without source but I'm not an expert in Launchers. People have managed to get a rom to work on a phone by replacing the launcher but that's not the gingerbread experience we would want on our tablets so what's the point in that?
I'm sure once the source is available for the launcher it'll be easy to get a rom on here.

L0$t$0ul said:
If you look at the video that was just posted for the streak it "looks" like they got it working by somehow telling the launcher to launch at a different resolution from the screen so a lot of stuff is off screen on the launcher.
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Just had an idea, using this as a basis of the idea...
Could we (and when I say we, I mean a dev who can actually do this kinda stuff) do a similar thing, but instead of changing the resolution, change the LCD density?
I am not sure if this would work at all, but the theory is this:
If LCD density is changed, you have the appearance of a higher resolution, this generally messes with standard launchers in bad ways. However, if the standard launcher is messed up out of the screen (i.e. as if parts are on non-existing pixels off screen) could this mixture of events work in our favour?
I am not a dev, so this is probably a worthless idea, but thought I'd get it out there just in case its not as worthless as I expect it to be.

New update out soon.

We should see a new update out in just a few days for the eLocity A7.
CPG
MyTabletLife.com

Any idea of what has been resolved or any new features? I might drop the Dexter mod and just side load apps if I can get the following working....
1) Bluetooth PAN (Dexter mod 1.1 killed this ability)
2) Adhoc Wifi with Wep (current Adhoc fix WPA_SUPPLICANT) doesn't work with WEP encryption and only will work on totally open mode.
Thanks,
J

I am hoping that Dexter will update his mod based on the latest Elocity upgrade...
He is doing a great job for all of us.
Thanks again.
Regards

Totally agree. Dexter has done an awesome job....
Has anyone confirmed whether Bluetooth PAN works on the stock firmware? I saw a few posts but they were more related to issues with Bluetooth headsets with the mod.
Thanks,
J

A pinch to zoom fix would make me happy, Gingerbread too, but it might be a long shot.

cpg716 said:
We should see a new update out in just a few days for the eLocity A7.
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Where from info?

Kentavr66X said:
Where from info?
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I am not getting what you are asking...
CPG
MyTabletLife.com

Where from info - meaning - where did you learn of this forthcoming update?
Thanks

I'm thinking the update will consist of a new startup screen showing:
Quadrant Scores:
Motorola Xoom: 1823
Elocity A7: 2400+
Seriously though, I am impressed by the speed this thing has, and with Gingerbread, we could maybe push 3k. Come on Elocity, put 2.3 in the update...

CPG - went to your site to view the Enspert E201U - wow that is one nice looking device for $349.00
Although we have the eLocity and are blown away by speed, the device is certainly more than a little rough around the edges - useable sure but rough.
Google Certified
Processor
Samsung S5PC110, ARM Cortex-A8 1GHz "Hummingbird" CPU
Memory
512MB RAM
Display (Internal)
7" Capacitive Multitouch LCD
800 x 480
Integrated Ports
1x Headphone Jack
1x SD Card Slot (SDHC Compatible up to 32GB)
1x Mini USB 2.0 (Client)
1x Mini HDMI Out
Power
Built-in Li-polymer, 4,100 mAh
Graphics
PowerVR SGX 450
Storage
8GB NAND Flash
Communication
802.11 b/g/n WiFi
Bluetooth v.2.1 + EDR
Input/Output
3MP Camera
Physical Features
425g / 0.93lbs
191.2 x 130.5 x 14.6 mm
7.52 x 5.14 x 0.57 in

Was wondering if it will be android 3 since they have models out with that os..
hope so ..

turnkey said:
Was wondering if it will be android 3 since they have models out with that os..
hope so ..
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They do not have models out with Android 3.0, there is NO tablet out yet with Android 3.0 (Honeycomb). The Motorola Xoom is going to be the first, and that comes out the end of February.
The newer A7 models and the A10 are not out yet...
CPG
MyTabletLife.com

matthew2582 said:
Where from info - meaning - where did you learn of this forthcoming update?
Thanks
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If you have been following this forum I have had contact with Stream TV Networks (makers of the eLocity A7) since meeting with them at CES 2011. When I met with them they wanted a list of the main issues we were having with the device, I have been working with them in this regard.
CPG

Hopefully the forthcoming update will enable true multitouch capability (and all Google applications).

matthew2582 said:
Where from info - meaning - where did you learn of this forthcoming update?
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Thank you and I'm sorry for my english

will they be releasing the source code as well??

dm233 said:
will they be releasing the source code as well??
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I keep meaning to ask them this.. I will find out their plans on it..
Also, could someone private message me who is comfortable flashing their A7 and is knowledge about Android.... something to go over with you..
CPG
MyTabletLife.com

please do. would really go a long way to baking up a more robust kernel. besides they have an obligation under the GPL... know the source code for the tegra stuff is closed but they should be able to be released as binaries. Would go a long way in fixing some deficiencies in the current feature set like multi-touch and cifs.

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Also, could someone private message me who is comfortable flashing their A7 and is knowledge about Android.... something to go over with you..
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I had one reply only.. no one else?
CPG
MyTabletLife.com

cpg716 said:
I had one reply only.. no one else?
CPG
MyTabletLife.com
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I'd consider helping, but can't truly say I'm knowledgeable about Android. It relatively now to me. I can flas my devices (Captivate, G Tablet & A7), follow directions and do all the basic stuff. Still, I know nothing about coding or the inner workings.
I do have a spare device with a cracked screen (hoping I can get it fixed, but eLocity won't get back to me) I can use.

cyanogenmod 7 FINAL BUILD gingerbread tegra harmony release

Wrong: CYANOGENMOD 7 RELEASED, HARMONY SUPPORT, DIDN'T NOTICE ANY POSTS REFERING TO IT
Right: CM7 was released, with Harmony support.
Wrong: SHAME THAT NVIDIA ARE NOT SUPPORTING DEVELOPMENT FOR HARMONY CHIP FROM 2.2 ONWARDS IF REPORTS ARE TRUE
Right: It's a shame that nVidia isn't supporting Harmony developers from 2.2 onwards, if reports are true.
Mod Edit: All caps is annoying. Please don't use it. Thanks.

Yes if you actually look at the other CM7 threads you will see that the Vega changes have been added to the official tree now.....
and how can you go and say that we have cm7 (2.3) and then complain about the lack of nvidia support beyond 2.2 in the same post, completely contradicts itself....

but doesnt the tegra 2 already power a bunch of honeycomb tablets already?

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but doesnt the tegra 2 already power a bunch of honeycomb tablets already?
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there are two types of tegra 2 boards, Harmony which the vega has supported to android 2.2 and Ventana which the xoom has, supported beyond 2.2

Useless posts removed, OP reformatted. All caps is just annoying.
Also, thank you Lennyuk for your expertise. I actually wasn't aware of the two Tegra 2 revisions. What are the differences between Harmony and Ventana?

willverduzco said:
Useless posts removed, OP reformatted. All caps is just annoying.
Also, thank you Lennyuk for your expertise. I actually wasn't aware of the two Tegra 2 revisions. What are the differences between Harmony and Ventana?
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as far as I know there is not actually a great deal of differences between the two, I think the ventana board has an extra GPU slot, that might be it.

Lennyuk said:
as far as I know there is not actually a great deal of differences between the two, I think the ventana board has an extra GPU slot, that might be it.
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Interesting. I wonder why that would be since these SOCs don't have modular components, with the GPU being directly integrated into the SOC itself... Weird.

UPDATE 12 APRIL 2011:
Sorry folks looks like I caused a bit of confusion. Since this is a developer forum my comments
were targeted at Tegra Honeycomb developers and for this we’d like to focus on Ventana. For shipping or production products, customers should contact the device makers directly for OS support plans. They are responsible for the OS shipping on their device.
In relation to our linux kernel git repository, NVIDIA will continue to provide full open-source support for all of our kernel components and will push more of that upstream over time.
Andrew Edelsten
Tegra Developer Relations
NVIDIA CorporationTop
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Interesting update something for developers to get teeth into sometime
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haha to right

UPDATE 13 APRIL 2011
A lot has been read into a very short post about a Tegra development kit. I'd like to clear up a few points.
First, nothing changes in what we’re delivering to the open source community or customers. NVIDIA will continue to post the Tegra kernel to kernel.org and publish our Android code to our public git servers. Additionally, we will continue to make our BSP (codecs, GPU driver etc) available to all our hardware partners. We will continue to do this and nothing about these processes has changed.
For our partners' Android devices, NVIDIA provides support until the hardware partner chooses to no longer support the device. So, for instance, NVIDIA will support the Xoom on all versions of Android Motorola requests until Motorola ceases to support the Xoom. The same goes for ViewSonic with the G-Tablet, Notion Ink with the Adam, Acer with the Iconia, LG with the Optimus 2X and so on.
In relation to my original reply, that was a response to a specific question about a Tegra 250 Development Kit. Given the confusion, we will work with owners of Tegra 250 Development Kits individually to determine their needs. The term "Harmony" is an internal codename for the Tegra 250 Development Kit. It is not a tablet reference design. Each shipping tablet is a custom design with varying hardware components and requires a custom OS image from the OEM who made the tablet.
Finally, while we cannot support or give out third party peripheral drivers or provide the Android 3.0 source before Google does, we do want to explore whether we can assist the open source ROM makers. We will be reaching out to them today.
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Caps from original nvidia forum post.
Stop being so anal anyway
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Can anyone translate this for me? Are we (Advent Vega users) getting the Tegra 2 update? And is this the one for Honeycomb?
From what I can tell, Yes. Or am I reading this wrong?

GaiusSensei said:
Can anyone translate this for me? Are we (Advent Vega users) getting the Tegra 2 update? And is this the one for Honeycomb?
From what I can tell, Yes. Or am I reading this wrong?
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There is no "Tegra 2" Update
You are getting confused.
Basically when the Tegra2 boards were given to manufacturers they had one of two designs
Harmony which the vega has
or Ventana which newer tablets have
These are not set in stone, they were just designs that then get built to specific needs by each manufacturer.
Nvidia are not releasing their own stock images beyond android 2.2 for Harmony however they have made it very clear that it is down to each manufacturer to do this, Nvidia will support the manufacturers for as long as they want to continue service on each device.
Advent do not yet know if the manufacturer (Shuttle) will give us a HC rom, however at least 2 other clones of the Vega have confirmed it, so it looks promising.

Point of View is supposed to deliver us a fresh HC ROM, I would be really thankful!
All I need is a rom w/o cellphone stuff, just tablet things to work always with optimizations and no slow downs.. That's why I bought a tablet with tegra... but after news like this, customers like me get pretty sad and will regret buying another device from them. Gz;

Still in production?

Thinking of getting one of these as a mess-around device as it has good community support and is cheap. Are they still in production, or is it just left over stock?

I myself have an archos A70s for nearly 2 years now and it is still a good device for some things.
But it is in no way capable of the things you need now.
If you want samething cheap why not get something like "Ainol Novo 7 Elf II" and get a real dualcore device that has 1 GB of ram and comes with ICS.
You can get that for less than 100 stearling on ebay.
And the Ainol community is growing every day ( and is active atm ).
ATM there are so many cheap r3066 or 8726-mx out there that i personaly wouldn't decide for the Archos.

fzelle said:
I myself have an archos A70s for nearly 2 years now and it is still a good device for some things.
But it is in no way capable of the things you need now.
If you want samething cheap why not get something like "Ainol Novo 7 Elf II" and get a real dualcore device that has 1 GB of ram and comes with ICS.
You can get that for less than 100 stearling on ebay.
And the Ainol community is growing every day ( and is active atm ).
ATM there are so many cheap r3066 or 8726-mx out there that i personaly wouldn't decide for the Archos.
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Sounds stupid but it was either this or the Arnova range. The Arnova range has little to no dev support but this tablet does, and is available at £130 in the UK. It's just a tinkering device that I don't really have to worry about making non-functional because I have a Galaxy Tab 10.1.
Although, what draws me to the Arnova is the more powerful hardware.

Arnova and more Powerfull?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/7-Ainol-N...=UK_iPad_Tablets_eReaders&hash=item27c9cce1e3

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Arnova and more Powerfull?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/7-Ainol-N...=UK_iPad_Tablets_eReaders&hash=item27c9cce1e3
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It's not Arnova. It's Ainol.
Also, are they still being made? Do Archos provide fixes?
What tasks does it struggle with?
I just want a hacking device.

Hacking? As far as I know this device is good for development and hacking, a developer should answer your question. Anyway, if you are good developer (or developer at all) you are welcome to join the community. I dont know if the device is stil being made but the firmware support by the manufacturer is stopped as it seems.

@mr.fast:
That link was for you to compare the "Arnova is the more powerful hardware" to something that really is.

fzelle said:
@mr.fast:
That link was for you to compare the "Arnova is the more powerful hardware" to something that really is.
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Ok'ay, thanks...

I am still unsure if they are still being manufactured. Archos don't seem to sell them directly anymore but Carphone Warehouse in the UK have them for £150.
It's either this or an Arnova 10 G2. Is the Rockchip RK2918 more powerful than the OMAP in the Archos 101 G8?
It's just that the Arnova doesn't have any or little dev support and has more restrictive firmware.
Thanks.

Arnova users often come here and ask for help, so I think Archos community is better.

I'm selling my A101 G8 16G....
PM me for details. It has the ACC H264 codec already installed and paid for too. Nice case and HDMI cable.

sublimejosh2000 said:
PM me for details. It has the ACC H264 codec already installed and paid for too. Nice case and HDMI cable.
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Sorry, I live in the UK.

Looks like it's been removed from the Archos website.

Any other devs for the A7/A7+?

Just wondering if there were any other developers willing to work on the A7 or (more preferably) the A7+. Dexter seems to have quit or lost interest his development permanently on either devices (I think he doesn't have a physical device to work with anymore, but I don't remember where I heard this). The last time he logged on to Tablet Roms was on "04-27-2012", and the last time he logged on to XDA was, well, today actually but he doesn't seem to have any interest in the eLocity forum section. He DID leave us with quite a lot of quality ROMs to work with, especially since the kernel was released for the + in March.
If there aren't any developers willing to work with the A7/A7+ because they don't have a physical device, I would willingly offer remote testing on my A7+ (AKA they give me the compiled ROM(s) or whatever and I try it out and give feedback). It just seems like such a shame to leave both devices with nothing better than a buggy (but still awesome) Honeycomb or a working stock 2.2. ICS seems like it would be doable, again especially since the kernel was released.
I will try to contact the user "chinabull" in the referred link as he seemed like he knew what he was doing when he said "It seems to have all the driver source code we need."
And I have also posted this over at TR.
EDIT- Turns out I can't send PM's to chinabull here, forgot about that. I'll find some other means of communication.
EDIT2- I'm crazy- the message got through; chinabull messaged back! And... he said that he already returned his A7+. So we've got no leads there.
If anyone knows some devs who haven't even heard of the A7/A7+ but might be willing to pick up where Dexter left off, please contact them or let me know so that I can contact them.

6Leinad6 said:
Just wondering if there were any other developers willing to work on the A7 or (more preferably) the A7+. Dexter seems to have quit or lost interest his development permanently on either devices (I think he doesn't have a physical device to work with anymore, but I don't remember where I heard this).
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I would be willing to pony up CDN $20 towards the purchase of one for a talented (and dedicated) dev to work with. Here in Canada they are available as refurbs for about $90 from places like factorydirect dot c a ..
Anyone else want to donate some dinero ?
Cheers

Sorry for the late(ish) reply, I was out of town.
I don't have any money to donate, sadly, as I just spent it on the A7+...
But, like I said in the OP, if you are willing to work from afar we could do that.

It's a shame it's dead. Prices are around $90 in the US too. With all the china pads out there getting 2nd tier dual core processors with 600 res screens for very little more, it's easy to see why this would go by the wayside. One plus would be built in bluetooth which no china pad has at anything close to this pricepoint, and it probably has a better battery than many of them as well.

We've got someone over at Tablet Roms who will be working on the A7+! He is just waiting on the tablet to arrive.

digidog_A7+ said:
I would be willing to pony up CDN $20 towards the purchase of one for a talented (and dedicated) dev to work with. Here in Canada they are available as refurbs for about $90 from places like factorydirect dot c a ..
Anyone else want to donate some dinero ?
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I'd donate if you're talking about developing for the (older) A7. I still use mine and it would be nice to see a fresh rom for it.

I'd be in if I didn't just pick up the ZTE Optik from Sprint. Can't beat free and can't beat running JB via CM10. That 800 res is quite nice.

I'd greatly appreciate someone picking up work on the A7+. I still haven't flashed the newer firmware with the blank screen from sleep fix because I was holding out hope for a new custom rom. I'd have to root and install the outdated gapps again... And I'm sure we don't have unreasonably high expectations. I'd just like a rom without those awful elocity apps, doesn't black screen when I wake it, with google play, and with functioning hardware, anything more is welcome but uneccessary.

Ok his name is jam4 over at TR - check the thread for updates http://www.tabletroms.com/forums/elocity-a7-general-discussion/5362-any-other-devs-a7-a7.html
@dibmem jam4 is developing on the +, sorry
@frankwg83 yes he is working on honeycomb at the moment, but it sounds like your problems would be easily fixed... it takes 5 minutes and a flashdrive to install the Play Store and a root explorer and a 1-click-root app to get rid of the bloatware

6Leinad6 said:
Ok his name is jam4 over at TR - check the thread for updates http://www.tabletroms.com/forums/elocity-a7-general-discussion/5362-any-other-devs-a7-a7.html
@dibmem jam4 is developing on the +, sorry
@frankwg83 yes he is working on honeycomb at the moment, but it sounds like your problems would be easily fixed... it takes 5 minutes and a flashdrive to install the Play Store and a root explorer and a 1-click-root app to get rid of the bloatware
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Think he would develop on the A7 if he had the hardware? I'm the type of person who'd buy one second hand just to donate it to a willing and capable dev.

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Think he would develop on the A7 if he had the hardware? I'm the type of person who'd buy one second hand just to donate it to a willing and capable dev.
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Maybe, I don't know. You'd have to ask him yourself - http://www.tabletroms.com/forums/members/jam4.html

"I am about 2 weeks out from releasing a working Honeycomb build for the A7+. Let me know how many of you are interested, either by pm or an email to [email protected]"
Everyone go PM or Email him!

So...2 weeks out? How'd that go?
Btw, the A7+ is at 1saleaday again for $70 this time. I'm willing to buy one and ship it to a developer if that's a hurdle since I'm pretty sure there are enough people out there that would want a solid Honeycomb or even Gingerbread firmware. I don't have the time/obsession to figure out the coding myself.