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Why this update took/is taking so long

With all the features missing from Eclair and all the features added by sense I can see why this is taking so long. They had to intergrte many features of 1.6 into 2.1 for us and lay a new version of Sense over it. This seems like a very special build of 2.1. I don't even know if I would officially call it true 2.1 because many of the features are missing/changed from vanilla 2.1 on the N1. This is a hybrid of 1.6, maybe 2.0.1, and 2.1. They(HTC) really did go out of their way to provide us with this build of mish-mash. I am in no way complaining Just wanted to get some feed back as to what others are thinking that have used other releases of Android. I do enjoy what is out now and hope that with the official release canidate some things are improved. I am excited to be working on getting some things together that we are missing from "2.1" that we all want (voice-to-text, live wallpapers, 3D gallery, etc.). Although it does suck that it took HTC soooo long to get this ready and hit the 2.0/2.1 speed bump that was a huge culprit I am glad they took the time. So to that we salute you Mr. takingwaytolongtoreleaseanupdatebutfinallycameoutwithareallystripeddownversionjusttomakeushappycompany!

Well, I've not used other Android versions, but I concur completely that this couldn't have been a simple project for HTC. In fact, that's exactly what I've been saying to all the whiners over on the Verizon Android forum. So I've been on Verizon and HTC's side all this time, but man...could they drag this out any longer????????? Now, you guys had to go and give me a taste for blood by hooking us up with 2.1. Now ya done it!
But you know, I've been in the customer service industry for a really long time (shop foreman at a new car dealership), and I understand very well that some things take longer than you thought they would. But it's amazing how much you can pacify a customer just by making them at least feel like they're "in the loop". Verizon however has stood mum all this time, letting everybody's frustration come to a boil. Throw us a bone for cryin' out loud!
I'm not sure I agree with you though about them skimping out on this build version. Asking the poor little Eris to work like a Nexus 1 with it's relatively adolesent processor and half the internal memory might be setting your expectations a little high. But that's just my opinion, and it's worth exactly what you paid for it.
D Dave

Dangerous Dave said:
I'm not sure I agree with you though about them skimping out on this build version. Asking the poor little Eris to work like a Nexus 1 with it's relatively adolesent processor and half the internal memory might be setting your expectations a little high. But that's just my opinion, and it's worth exactly what you paid for it.
D Dave
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That was not what I was trying to say. I didn't really have any expectations except for a snappier phone.

tdavis42 said:
That was not what I was trying to say. I didn't really have any expectations except for a snappier phone.
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Sorry, I guess I got that from the "So to that we salute you Mr. takingwaytolongtoreleaseanupdatebutfinallycameoutw ithareallystripeddownversionjusttomakeushappycompany!".
My bad Bro.
D Dave

Have you checked you PM's DDave?

tdavis42 said:
Have you checked you PM's DDave?
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I hadn't until just now. I'll hit you back in a PM.
Thanks,
D Dave

a bit disappointed with Vibrant development and accesories...

I thought by now we will have something good and yet there isnt a single case that i like, a back cover, or a holster.....
and the development forum is filled with bunch of lag fixes and roms (2 roms) that are not even as good and stable as stock.
no word on froyo yet, media hub is crap, etc...
With worldwide release i really thought this will be moving with speeds of Nexus.....I guess i was wrong. Its just horrible that they decided to release 5 different variations of Galaxy S. Different bodies, and even different hardware, and therefore different firmware as well

kolyan said:
I thought by now we will have something good and yet there isnt a single case that i like, a back cover, or a holster.....
and the development forum is filled with bunch of lag fixes and roms (2 roms) that are not even as good and stable as stock.
no word on froyo yet, media hub is crap, etc...
With worldwide release i really thought this will be moving with speeds of Nexus.....I guess i was wrong. Its just horrible that they decided to release 5 different variations of Galaxy S. Different bodies, and even different hardware, and therefore different firmware as well
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It will come. There is a major learning curve since this is much coherent than the htc built phones. As for accessories yeah.. But it's only been 2 months, be patent..

i too thought that dev would have jumped all over galaxy S phones right away. i know there is a learning curve from htc phones, but i though they would be all over these as they all have the same basic hardware.
I do appreciate the dev who are here and helping and working
i wish for more accessories too

Honestly, this is the first android phone I've owned, I am quite impressed with the activity by the devs. There seems to be a lot of effort into designing tweaks that will lead to some quality changes to our Vibrants after the bugs are worked out.

kolyan said:
I thought by now we will have something good and yet there isnt a single case that i like, a back cover, or a holster.....
and the development forum is filled with bunch of lag fixes and roms (2 roms) that are not even as good and stable as stock.
no word on froyo yet, media hub is crap, etc...
With worldwide release i really thought this will be moving with speeds of Nexus.....I guess i was wrong. Its just horrible that they decided to release 5 different variations of Galaxy S. Different bodies, and even different hardware, and therefore different firmware as well
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If you are unhappy with development roll up your sleeves and start helping.

speoples20 said:
If you are unhappy with development roll up your sleeves and start helping.
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i would, but unfortunately i am not a developer. and by adding and removing apps from stock rom back and forth is not really development. i do appreciate the lag fix, its working great so far.

Op please sell your phone, buy an HTC, and have a coke and a smile... quit complaining about one of the best phones in the WORLD market... if still unhappy there is always iPhone.... bye bye...
And I wish moderators here would trash these stupid waaaah waaaah threads.... your complaint is useless unless you are willing to develop, hack, beta test, or otherwise move development along... and to the point of lag fixing and deleting bloatware, YOUR WELCOME FOR THE FREE DEVELOPMENT YOU UNGRATEFUL COMPLAINER!!!

If you really think that all the devs are doing is adding and removing apps then maybe you should just wait for an ota update.
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kolyan said:
I thought by now we will have something good and yet there isnt a single case that i like, a back cover, or a holster.....
and the development forum is filled with bunch of lag fixes and roms (2 roms) that are not even as good and stable as stock.
no word on froyo yet, media hub is crap, etc...
With worldwide release i really thought this will be moving with speeds of Nexus.....I guess i was wrong. Its just horrible that they decided to release 5 different variations of Galaxy S. Different bodies, and even different hardware, and therefore different firmware as well
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Welcome to being an early adopter of a device.

Op. Sell your phone or use it as a blubt instrument to punch yourself in the vagina.
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Well, I have the phone and my wife bought me a case. I felt in love with it. Amazon's is full of them. My case was worth 9 USD when I first bought it, I can tell u that now there are more expensive ones, the technology is much better.
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kolyan said:
I thought by now we will have something good and yet there isnt a single case that i like, a back cover, or a holster.....
and the development forum is filled with bunch of lag fixes and roms (2 roms) that are not even as good and stable as stock.
no word on froyo yet, media hub is crap, etc...
With worldwide release i really thought this will be moving with speeds of Nexus.....I guess i was wrong. Its just horrible that they decided to release 5 different variations of Galaxy S. Different bodies, and even different hardware, and therefore different firmware as well
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if these points you listed are so important to you, why did you buy the phone before these things came along?
If and when I am looking at buying something new I do research before purchasing a product so I know what to expect. It sounds like you assumed these things would be ready day 2 after launch and now that they are not you panties are in a twist.
If this is really the case go look in the mirror and there you will have the person to blame for your aggravation .

I like the phone. and i do think it the best phone on the market (at least for me). But I would probably get Droid X if it wasnt so big.
After some mods to phone, i am very happy with it (except for back cover and 2.1, well and the fact that compass just doesnt work at all), gps works,launcher pro plus is a killer, lag fix works, battery indicator fixed, and obviously removed all crapware, oh and tasker app makes word of difference too.

Still New
Am I one of the few that think 2 months is still early in the development game?
The Nexus One is sold as a developers phone, so it should and is supported as one.
I think the developers have lives and a real job. Making this a fun hobby for most of them. So just relax, be patient and before you know it you will have every tweaked/hacked/themed ROM available for your flashing pleasure.

rsfaze said:
if these points you listed are so important to you, why did you buy the phone before these things came along?
If and when I am looking at buying something new I do research before purchasing a product so I know what to expect. It sounds like you assumed these things would be ready day 2 after launch and now that they are not you panties are in a twist.
If this is really the case go look in the mirror and there you will have the person to blame for your aggravation .
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Are actually retarded, so you must make the same stupid point over and over?
We buy stuff when we need it -- like when the old phone breaks, or a plan needs to be renewed.... Most people research a bit, then weigh the pros and cons and take the plunge.
After some use, everyone finds things they like or dislike about their purchase.
But really, why shouldn't we expect to be able to buy by now the dock that Samsung was showing off in their ads way before the phone was available?

Just cleaned this thread and removed some unacceptable comments which absolutely break XDA Rule 2 and usually lead to the suspension of user accounts.
Please stay on topic. Don't post if you have nothing constructive to offer.
Appreciate your cooperation.
WB

kolyan said:
i would, but unfortunately i am not a developer. and by adding and removing apps from stock rom back and forth is not really development. i do appreciate the lag fix, its working great so far.
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Learn how to do something yourself. Idiots, I mean beggers, can't be choosers.

Chalup said:
Learn how to do something yourself. Idiots, I mean beggers, can't be choosers.
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it's easier to post and ***** about how things don't work and to demand others fix them instead of lifting a finger and trying yourself, didn't you know that?

rsfaze said:
it's easier to post and ***** about how things don't work and to demand others fix them instead of lifting a finger and trying yourself, didn't you know that?
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Actually, demanding that a product for which you've paid $500 works and it's upgradeable for a reasonable time as long as the hardware supports it (just like a computer), is not *****ing.
When you buy a new car and the radio doesn't work, you don't expect the dealer to tell you to either wait indefinitely, or fix it yourself. Same with this phone.

MacGuy2006 said:
Actually, demanding that a product for which you've paid $500 works and it's upgradeable for a reasonable time as long as the hardware supports it (just like a computer), is not *****ing.
When you buy a new car and the radio doesn't work, you don't expect the dealer to tell you to either wait indefinitely, or fix it yourself. Same with this phone.
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Difference the phone works as is, everything works fine on it. You just want it to work "better".
Well I want my myTouch to be better. Yea, they should trade me out to a myTouch Slide! I spent 250!!! dollars on it.
I don't remember the last time I bought a computer and then when the next version of an OS came out I got it for free. Either shut up, or learn to develop on your own.

[Q] Samsung confirms Gingerbread coming to Galaxy S in March

Just thought I would pass this along. So, does this mean the Epic will see it 3 months later like Froyo?
http://www.slashgear.com/gingerbread-for-galaxy-s-in-march-confirms-samsung-25136186
[Update]
Looks like it's for real. It just leaked out for the SGS i9000 a couple of days ago.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/28/android-2-3-2-gingerbread-leaks-for-samsung-galaxy-s

As I've said in previous threads, if Gingerbread actually comes out for the Epic officially, I'll be completely satisfied and beyond happy with Samsung (I actually like TouchWiz, and would really like some of the performance enhancements Gingerbread brings). I'll even start recommending their phones again and forgive the whole Froyo debacle. Let's keep our fingers crossed!
PS: They didn't list a source, where and when did Samsung officially say this?
Edit: Silly me, I'm on my phone so I only saw the mobile page which doesn't link the source, looks like it was Samsung Germany - so I guess we'll see!
http://www.slashgear.com/gingerbread-for-galaxy-s-in-march-confirms-samsung-25136186/

If thats true..... then we should actually have a working version by... oh I don't know.. the end of summer
Based strictly on track record!

Hopefully Sprint will be releasing new devices before then.
This way, if Gingerbread sucks ass like EB13, I'l get rid of this damn phone and get something else.
Here's to hoping though, not trying to be a hater, just sayin'

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Hopefully Sprint will be releasing new devices before then.
This way, if Gingerbread sucks ass like EB13, I'l get rid of this damn phone and get something else.
Here's to hoping though, not trying to be a hater, just sayin'
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Thread should be closed now as no one else can put it better than this. ;-)

March for Germany means maybe by December for the good ol USA market. They keep trying to get all the bugs out before they hit their biggest market. Well at least that's what they say, but I think they always manage to screw it up with all the time they got...something about idle hands?
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daddymikey1975 said:
Hopefully Sprint will be releasing new devices before then.
This way, if Gingerbread sucks ass like EB13, I'l get rid of this damn phone and get something else.
Here's to hoping though, not trying to be a hater, just sayin'
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Mines is working great. Much more stable and faster than d18 and ak28(?). Sorry I already forgot the build of the recent rom.

We will not see 2.3 for the epic. There I said it. There is no point in even keeping your hopes up, its clear samsung does not care about doing updates but only selling units. Nor do they have developers that can even code a update without being pulled days after release.
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Yeah wasn't it a post by Samsung UK that told us by end of 2010 for Froyo??? Whatever... once the few kinks are out on EB13 (it would be nice if sprintsung could fix it for the masses too) I will be content. I dont really see why they would, with the SGS2 coming out, I mean I guess if theyre already working on it, but its like we got the Beta of the hardware, with the supposed HDMI out on SGS2, etc... What I have learned, is not to NOT buy samsung, they make damn good hardware... its just not to jump the early adopter bandwagon unless they can put out a finished product at launch. Even if they are a few months behind, the others are just catching up hardware wise by then... theyre just catching up to the Epic with the spring phones coming out now Seriously, coming from my days in the high end home theater/distributed audio world, it would seem sammy operates their flagship phones like professional install A/V gear... expensive, and if youre an early adopter, youre paying for bragging rights, not a finished product... youre on the cutting edge. Its like buying a 3d TV right now... IF it gets beyond gimmick, you have what, a year or two before the standards are all set, and then your TV doesnt meet the standards... *cough HDCP* *cough HD-DVD*..... its a rich mans game...
HOWEVER: the dual core phones look to be so much of an advancement of their own, that they may sell just fine without neutering the SGS, etc... so they may just do it... it would be good to get every phone up to a certain point so that theres only a few versions of android out, keep it simple, and shut Jobs up... fragmentation... at least our radios work!

ungovernable1977 said:
Yeah wasn't it a post by Samsung UK that told us by end of 2010 for Froyo??? Whatever... once the few kinks are out on EB13 (it would be nice if sprintsung could fix it for the masses too) I will be content. I dont really see why they would, with the SGS2 coming out, I mean I guess if theyre already working on it, but its like we got the Beta of the hardware, with the supposed HDMI out on SGS2, etc... What I have learned, is not to NOT buy samsung, they make damn good hardware... its just not to jump the early adopter bandwagon unless they can put out a finished product at launch. Even if they are a few months behind, the others are just catching up hardware wise by then... theyre just catching up to the Epic with the spring phones coming out now Seriously, coming from my days in the high end home theater/distributed audio world, it would seem sammy operates their flagship phones like professional install A/V gear... expensive, and if youre an early adopter, youre paying for bragging rights, not a finished product... youre on the cutting edge. Its like buying a 3d TV right now... IF it gets beyond gimmick, you have what, a year or two before the standards are all set, and then your TV doesnt meet the standards... *cough HDCP* *cough HD-DVD*..... its a rich mans game...
HOWEVER: the dual core phones look to be so much of an advancement of their own, that they may sell just fine without neutering the SGS, etc... so they may just do it... it would be good to get every phone up to a certain point so that theres only a few versions of android out, keep it simple, and shut Jobs up... fragmentation... at least our radios work!
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Samsung UK did promise Froyo to SGS by end of 2010 and kept their promise...to the UK subscribers. Unfortunately the USA is a separate issue all together as we have the largest base of subscribers and afaik 5 different versions (Sprint, AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, and US Cellular). I would suspect maybe summertime by the time we get it, just in time when the new phones come out anyways.

The original galaxy s had hdmi out as well...sprint gimped the epic.
It was supposed to originally have 16gb ROM, 1gb RAM, sd card(I don't think the original galaxy s had an sd slot ..) fm radio, hdmi out, blah blah blah
This phone waslaunching too close to the evo which sprin spent a lot of money advertising, so they had to gimp the epic so that everyone still thinks the evo is better hardware wise.
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Yes, I know the hardware is there... or looks to be (epic), but HDMI, TV-Out, and a few other things (docks) were supposedly part of updates that would be with Froyo... or so says the sprint rep... obviously the docks were committed to, but not the others, and I doubt they will officially implement the HDMI at least, as they are putting in a new HDMI control standard on the SGS2, so if you have a compatible TV your phone can operate some functions of it (volume, power, etc)... so I doubt they will bother with it. Hopefully our geniuses here can pick up where they left off. I agree totally that the EVO was the problem, I dont know about the advertising dollars drying up, that seems to be a thing with Sprint, but I honestly think it was gimped to make the EVO have any leg to stand on, other than for those who dont like hardware keyboards. They could have just put it out properly, and ignored advertising it as they did, and it wouldnt affect the EVO anyways. Especially with the EVOs supposed short supply... really??? how long has it been out, and they cant keep sprint corp stores stocked?? Sounds like artificially inflated demand to me. Is there a shortage of other HTC phones??? Are the execs pocketing too much and not investing??? I call BS, I think Sprint is in bed with HTC... I wonder if the EVO is so cost ineffective, that they are really all preorders in a sense, dont build em till theyre already sold...

I honestly don't see a reason for Gingerbread on the Epic. The only real main difference seems to be NFC support (which we don't have the hardware for), and green icons.

bondosho said:
I honestly don't see a reason for Gingerbread on the Epic. The only real main difference seems to be NFC support (which we don't have the hardware for), and green icons.
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Gingerbread brought a lot of other things that you didn't see (like how most of 2.2s advances weren't visible) including an improved jit compiler, copy paste in the gmail app and others I cannot think of at the moment.

Not gonna matter much longer anyway. We are working hard on getting CM7 working on the epic. 4g is going to be a nightmare, but I'm 100% confident we can get everything else working
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Started fresh (removed everything from my flash card) with odin to dk18 then, then odin eb13, flashed midnight rom 4.0 and then flashed 4.1. Flashed emotionless beast theme and this phone is stable fast and non replacable
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If the EVO 4G had a better screen, I would gladly trade down processor speed for software stability (and a phone that just works).
For now, it's a love-hate relationship with Samsuck.
However, I'll probably jump ship at the soonest chance I get.

jnadke said:
If the EVO 4G had a better screen, I would gladly trade down processor speed for software stability (and a phone that just works).
For now, it's a love-hate relationship with Samsuck.
However, I'll probably jump ship at the soonest chance I get.
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I disagree completely. The entire SoC that Samsung uses is FAR superior to the Snapdragon nonsense. The fact that our phones can play high profile h.264 natively without hiccuping at all is amazing. Even the Xoom with its new Tegra 2 Soc, which has a dual core processor and EIGHT core GPU mind you, stutters like a fool trying to do what our phone does. Its embarrassing. If we ever get this software crap straightened out, our phone will easily be competitive for another year until the quad cores start rolling out. The only way I would switch phones is if Sprint got something like the Optimus 3d which uses the new OMAP4430 with the same Powervr sgx540 that our phone has, except clocked 50% faster.
tl;dr - The hardware in our phone is amazing and I wouldn't trade it for anything right now. Also, the screen is not the Epic4g's only differentiator.

March of what year?

Enough said
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Not gonna matter much longer anyway. We are working hard on getting CM7 working on the epic. 4g is going to be a nightmare, but I'm 100% confident we can get everything else working
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Sent from my Evo Killer!!!

Wondering if Incredible 2 is worth it? Yes, yes it is.

Got it a few hours ago. On paper, the specs but don't seem like a huge upgrade, but when you actually use it, you can tell it is.
It's fast. No hiccups, lag, or anything. You may say, "my dinc doesn't have any lag or slowdown either," but when you mess with a dinc 2 you will see what I mean. Screen is gorgeous. Phone feels excellent. Speaker is less "tinny" than the original.
I still need to mess with a ton of other stuff, but if you have any questions, let me know.

I'm most concerned with if/when it gets rooted. And how many dev's it picks up. Looks like quite a few of them already went to the Thunderbolt. I'm not due for an upgrade until July 2012 anyway, so when that date comes, who knows what will be out, but I will probably go with whatever is already rooted, and has the most development.

I had one a few days ago, and honestly, the "faster" tihng is really overblown. A menu screen may pop up a microsecond faster, but it wasn;t any more useable or anything. And the glare on that screen could cut glass.

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I'm most concerned with if/when it gets rooted. And how many dev's it picks up. Looks like quite a few of them already went to the Thunderbolt. I'm not due for an upgrade until July 2012 anyway, so when that date comes, who knows what will be out, but I will probably go with whatever is already rooted, and has the most development.
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Definitely agree with this, wonder what will be hot in development next summer.
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Engadget just gave the Galaxy S II a 9/10. And they hate android. It looks really nice - if it comes out on Verizon, I will have to think really hard about saying no...

I don't know what my next phone will be. I can't upgrade until March but I know I want an LTE phone and front facing camera and the dinc 2 only has one of my wants.
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I got one this morning and I'm liking it. I needed a world phone so it was a no-brainer for me. I like the screen size as compared to my dinc1. It's a good compromise with having a bigger screen without being one of the 4.3" phones that I thought were too big.
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Jes7er said:
Engadget just gave the Galaxy S II a 9/10. And they hate android. It looks really nice - if it comes out on Verizon, I will have to think really hard about saying no...
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I'm comming from a fascinate unless they fix their updating process and the file system don't buy any samsung phone...

Yea my upgrade isn't up until December I tried to talk my talk today, but it didn't get me anywhere.

What Sense version is it? What kernel? Is it drm protected so it can do netflix? I noticed on the vzw website it has the same processor as the Thunderbolt. So don't know if it would be. Also noticed it doesn't have a trackball or optical joystick. Thats gonna suck.

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What Sense version is it? What kernel? Is it drm protected so it can do netflix? I noticed on the vzw website it has the same processor as the Thunderbolt. So don't know if it would be. Also noticed it doesn't have a trackball or optical joystick. Thats gonna suck.
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I read somewhere that it's Sense 2.0. The kernel is 2.6.35.9. Don't know about drm.
As for the trackball/optical, i'm glad it doesn't have it. I never used it on my dinc1.

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I read somewhere that it's Sense 2.0. The kernel is 2.6.35.9. Don't know about drm.
As for the trackball/optical, i'm glad it doesn't have it. I never used it on my dinc1.
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Sense is version 2.00.0000.339629

Guess I'll have to play with one to check out the glare thing. DI2 is just the size I was looking for, but no dual core and no LTE, made me actually consider waiting for the GS2..... or better.

I believe its sense 2.1 and I personally like the optical joystick as well.
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All questions answered here:
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller?item=phoneFirst&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedPhoneId=5641&deviceCategoryId=1

Im playin with one now at verizon and neither it or the tbolt are a big enough upgrade over the dinc for me. Tbolt maybe, dinc 2, no way. Im runnin optimized z and my phone is way smoother. Inc2 screen only slightly bigger, ive got a z camera that is the same. Dinc2 is already outdated IMO.
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BrettApple said:
I'm most concerned with if/when it gets rooted. And how many dev's it picks up. Looks like quite a few of them already went to the Thunderbolt...
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That's a big concern for me. I just picked up the DInc2 yesterday....at retail price. Why? Both my wife and I are deaf and we live in what you would call a rather remote area, but at least have VZW tower nearby. A 4G/LTE phone is overkill when one lives nearly 2 hours to the first traffic light. So, on paper, as a 3G phone with video chat capability at a lower price then the LTE stuff, the DInc2 really fits the bill by giving me video chat so my wife and I can sign to each other when in different locations. That's a big plus.
BUT... as I scout all the normal forums I've used for my Droid 1, Droid X and Nook, the DInc2 looks like a real sleeper in terms of dev interest. This is my first HTC phone and even though the Motorola Droid has that %*&$#@ 'locked' bootloader, there's still a lot of options as well as the leaked restore files. I don't really want to root a phone until the point where there's some solid dev work as well as the ability to restore after screwing something up.
So, since like I mentioned, we're nearly 2 hours to the first traffic light and the nearest VZW store is just beyond that, I may bring it back on Tuesday when we're in the area and wait for the next suitable phone that has video chat capabilities. I've always used VZW's one-year contract and now that this option has bit the dust, I don't want to sign a two-year extension at the end of the year unless its for a phone that well-supported by devs AND has decent battery life.

cvhovey said:
That's a big concern for me. I just picked up the DInc2 yesterday....at retail price. Why? Both my wife and I are deaf and we live in what you would call a rather remote area, but at least have VZW tower nearby. A 4G/LTE phone is overkill when one lives nearly 2 hours to the first traffic light. So, on paper, as a 3G phone with video chat capability at a lower price then the LTE stuff, the DInc2 really fits the bill by giving me video chat so my wife and I can sign to each other when in different locations. That's a big plus.
BUT... as I scout all the normal forums I've used for my Droid 1, Droid X and Nook, the DInc2 looks like a real sleeper in terms of dev interest. This is my first HTC phone and even though the Motorola Droid has that %*&$#@ 'locked' bootloader, there's still a lot of options as well as the leaked restore files. I don't really want to root a phone until the point where there's some solid dev work as well as the ability to restore after screwing something up.
So, since like I mentioned, we're nearly 2 hours to the first traffic light and the nearest VZW store is just beyond that, I may bring it back on Tuesday when we're in the area and wait for the next suitable phone that has video chat capabilities. I've always used VZW's one-year contract and now that this option has bit the dust, I don't want to sign a two-year extension at the end of the year unless its for a phone that well-supported by devs AND has decent battery life.
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It takes a while for the devs to ramp up on a phone. It was a couple of weeks or more before the original DI was cracked and then it took even more time to get ROMs up to speed. Every phone is different and it just takes time. The DI2 was just released YESTERDAY. Your expectations might be just a little high.
...just sayin'.

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It takes a while for the devs to ramp up on a phone. ...
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Yeah, I do understand that. At the same time, I've been seeing devs flock away from other phones as they get fascinated with latest 4G/LTE, tablet, dual-core, etc. So, in that respect, I'd guess the DInc2 would gotten more attention had it been released early Winter.

rfarrah said:
It takes a while for the devs to ramp up on a phone. It was a couple of weeks or more before the original DI was cracked and then it took even more time to get ROMs up to speed. Every phone is different and it just takes time. The DI2 was just released YESTERDAY. Your expectations might be just a little high.
...just sayin'.
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Inc S (Same phone) was released months ago...just sayin

Is Evo 4g on its last breath?

With less and less devs working on the Evo 4G nowadays, I ask, is Evo 4G officially being forced to retire? I myself even went to check on upgrading to the 3VO. It's no fun without any new Roms to play with. Being a flashoholic, I'm suffering from withdrawal, and it's hard to deal with.

What exactly leads you to say that devs are no longer supporting the EVO 4G? The development forum seems as hopping as ever to me.

MaxCarnage said:
What exactly leads you to say that devs are no longer supporting the EVO 4G? The development forum seems as hopping as ever to me.
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Check out the latest updates. I've seen only two in the last few days. Look at the 3D forum, it's on fire.

JKDLBC said:
Check out the latest updates. I've seen only two in the last few days. Look at the 3D forum, it's on fire.
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Newer devices are going to have more support than older.
However, it's also true that the source code for Gingerbread for the Evo was only released a few days ago.

This Guy must have missed the development thread....
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I don’t know, it looks like we shall be set free, in good time but in a "registered" kind of way. At least that is what I am getting from 3D forums and the f+Bk page.

I could be wrong about all of this, but to me, the writing is on the wall. I really feel the demise of EVO 4G, as far as development standpoint. The latest talks is that most of the devs are jumping ship. I mean, can you really blame them. Great phone that has been improved. I've even seen what could be called a collection plates to get certain devs 3VOs. No disrespect to anyone doing. Hard/good work should not go without its just reward.

I think there just isn't anything new really other then kernels no new OS atm to play we have sense up to 3.0 and why port much much more? I do see improvments in each ROM though just slower EVO 3d is hoping cause they don't have anything
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ckoadiyn said:
I think there just isn't anything new really other then kernels no new OS atm to play we have sense up to 3.0 and why port much much more? I do see improvments in each ROM though just slower EVO 3d is hoping cause they don't have anything
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Yeah, it is important to understand that the big rush in the beginning is:
1) Get root
2) Wait for Source code
3) Fix **** ups from the manufacturer
4) Make modifications [possibly from other devices] to improve Android overall.
It's been over a year, all that's been done. While improvements are still coming constantly...the bulk of that work for the Evo is, well, done.

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Yeah, it is important to understand that the big rush in the beginning is:
1) Get root
2) Wait for Source code
3) Fix **** ups from the manufacturer
4) Make modifications [possibly from other devices] to improve Android overall.
It's been over a year, all that's been done. While improvements are still coming constantly...the bulk of that work for the Evo is, well, done.
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I have to agree here. I think a lot of people have gotten into the habit of changing ROMs on a way too frequent basis, to the point where they're switching weekly with 4-6 Nandroid backups of different ROMs so they can jump around as much as they want.
That list above is the true goal of Android development. If I find a good ROM, and there's relatively little bugs (especially less than stock), looks great, gives me something flashy (like Sense 3.0) I can be satisfied for months at a time, not even updating most of that time.
Unless there is something that has yet to be perfected on the EVO, development could halt right now and it wouldn't hurt what we already have. Look at all the things that's been done for the EVO since release:
Wireless N
HDMI-to-TV mirroring
Hacked hotspot
Notification bar power controls
4G on CM7
Hacked Hulu (which is now pointless, but eh)
...and more I just can't remember right now because I haven't had my morning coffee yet. The EVO has actually evolved (no pun intended) over the last year and 2 months, and like any piece of hardware, we're going to reach the limits. But the EVO has shaped the future of Android forever, and that's what we need to remember most.
Our community has created some of the most amazing pieces of code Android has ever seen, and that will only get better with the 3D. Time to move on...if I had the money, I'd get the 3D too, but that's just because I can't root my replacement EVO...

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Yeah, it is important to understand that the big rush in the beginning is:
1) Get root
2) Wait for Source code
3) Fix **** ups from the manufacturer
4) Make modifications [possibly from other devices] to improve Android overall.
It's been over a year, all that's been done. While improvements are still coming constantly...the bulk of that work for the Evo is, well, done.
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That is my point. We have reached the pinnacle, when it comes to development for the EVO. As a dev, why wouldn't you feel it's time to move on? Their work here is done. The writing is on the wall guys. The most they can do is make minor mods here. The next challenge is 3VO or some other device. I will not mention those other devices by name, I am EVO.

I think there's a huge difference between "end of dev cycle" and "device is on last breath".
Is your evo having any problems running anything? Are you not on the latest android 2.3.5?
CM still has nightlies, miui still has weeklies, only thing really slower is sense and the only one to blame there is htc (and possibly yourself for wasting your time with sense).
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I think there's a huge difference between "end of dev cycle" and "device is on last breath".
Is your evo having any problems running anything? Are you not on the latest android 2.3.5?
CM still has nightlies, miui still has weeklies, only thing really slower is sense and the only one to blame there is htc (and possibly yourself for wasting your time with sense).
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I completely agree here. My EVO is doing everything I could possibly want! We "may" be seeing the end of OS development for this phone, but now their concentrating on kernels now that the source has been out for a couple of weeks.

I think saying last breath is alittle strong. As far as anything else that can be developed rom-wise maybe. This is still going to be a serviceable phone for quite some time. If you are a person with flash issues you might have a problem. To me once kernels get perfected you shouldn't have to flash like a maniac anyway. Honestly I think the only other thing to perfect now is hdmi and personally I could care less but that's just me. I'm going 3d later this month and the Mrs gets my OG EVO. For her this will be a beast of a phone. Writing on the wall yes, last breath, far from it.
Peace

djwalter said:
I think saying last breath is alittle strong. As far as anything else that can be developed rom-wise maybe. This is still going to be a serviceable phone for quite some time. If you are a person with flash issues you might have a problem. To me once kernels get perfected you shouldn't have to flash like a maniac anyway. Honestly I think the only other thing to perfect now is hdmi and personally I could care less but that's just me. I'm going 3d later this month and the Mrs gets my OG EVO. For her this will be a beast of a phone. Writing on the wall yes, last breath, far from it.
Peace
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I do not believe this statement is too strong at all. Technology moves at a very rapid pace. Once something hits the shelves it's already old technology. Lets take the iPad (yes, I dare to mention this) for example. This was once a revolutionary product, except now, we have the Tablet, the Eee Pad, the iPad2, etc. You yourself even call it by the name OG EVO, which usually signifies something old. So yes, SIR, I do dare say that the EVO is on its last breath.
P.S Trade-in your EVO for a $125 credit toward the 3VO

I guess we look at last breath differently. To me last breath means no more support. Apps no longer supported etc. But we are different people and view things differently.
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