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Now I'm fully aware of my n00b status, and will not deny it at all, however last night when I was in the midst of my ROM installation fiasco (worked out well in the end!) I thought of something that might be pretty useful when doing all this flashing back to stock in order to load a custom rom...(and then messing up the custom rom, then loading backup, then messing that up, then almost bricking, then freaking out over possible brick, then figuring out how to really use ODIN3, then starting stock, lol....the past 12 hours has been a serious learning experience, but fun now that it's done)
The process I followed to install the Cognition ROM involved taking my bone stock captivate and rooting it, then installing ROM Manager, then backup, etc....Here's my suggestion, take it for what it's worth, and if I'm overstepping my boundaries, try to be nice about letting me know
I've noticed that there are many root "packages" where it installs root, and lagfixes, and a ton of other stuff, but (and maybe I haven't looked hard enough, but I've looked...) I noticed there isn't just a root "package" that ONLY roots the phone and installs ROM Manager only...this is my suggestion- make one! Maybe include Titanium backup, but since I was a bone stock Captivate, I didn't really have too much invested in apps, since I knew I was going to be going back and forth, and I intend on keeping it that way for a while, since I am still learning. But yeah- Root, ROM Manager, and Titanium Backup package would pretty much be the sh*t!
Now, I know I haven't contributed a damn thing to this forum, but this seems like it would be a handy tool to have, and while it's benefits are marginal (you save the whole 3 or 4 minutes to go to the market and install these apps) it makes life a little easier in a world where life isn't always easy (as I found out last night/this morning
If something like this exists already, forgive me for my ignorance and please point me in the right direction. I'm not trying to step on any toes or offend anyone, I just think this would be handy to have, and judging from the knowledge floating around this forum, it *seems* like it would be something fairly elementary for some of you extremely knowledgeable folks to do..
My apologies for such a long-winded post, but I tend to be that way, and again...thanks to all on this forum for a treasure trove of information to read through and slowly acquaint myself with the Android OS...It's hella better than the 3gs Iphone I previously had.......
Welcome aboard. I will say this first, post in the proper area of the forum, this belongs in the general discussion area, for future reference, this is the developement forum.
There are one click root methods, there are other packages that remove AT&T bloat and toss in a few other goodies. A word of caution, read, read, read, learn as much as you can from all of our mistakes before you go making the same ones. You should read an entire thread before jumping ahead and flashing, that way you avoid fiascos and possible brick your phone. Read all of the stickies at the top of the page, then browse all of the topics discussed, usually if you read an entire thread your questions will be answered in it. If you run into trouble and need help you will find it here. Happy hunting!
Root: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=739304
ROM Manager and Titanium: Get them from the market.
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Welcome aboard. I will say this first, post in the proper area of the forum, this belongs in the general discussion area, for future reference, this is the developement forum.
There are one click root methods, there are other packages that remove AT&T bloat and toss in a few other goodies. A word of caution, read, read, read, learn as much as you can from all of our mistakes before you go making the same ones. You should read an entire thread before jumping ahead and flashing, that way you avoid fiascos and possible brick your phone. Read all of the stickies at the top of the page, then browse all of the topics discussed, usually if you read an entire thread your questions will be answered in it. If you run into trouble and need help you will find it here. Happy hunting!
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+1 to this and yes there is indeed a one-click root already (as bare as you can get). installing ROM manager and titanium can be your job after that (how hard is that? takes like 5 seconds). and yes, read! reading is your friend! read read read read and then when you feel like you've learned everything you can, read more because you still haven't figured it all out. and again, because this doesn't provide anything NEW or unique to Android running on the Samsung Captivate, please keep it to General.
Thanks and enjoy your phone
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Welcome aboard. I will say this first, post in the proper area of the forum, this belongs in the general discussion area, for future reference, this is the developement forum.
There are one click root methods, there are other packages that remove AT&T bloat and toss in a few other goodies. A word of caution, read, read, read, learn as much as you can from all of our mistakes before you go making the same ones. You should read an entire thread before jumping ahead and flashing, that way you avoid fiascos and possible brick your phone. Read all of the stickies at the top of the page, then browse all of the topics discussed, usually if you read an entire thread your questions will be answered in it. If you run into trouble and need help you will find it here. Happy hunting!
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Cool. I will be sure to post correctly next time. Maybe a mod can move this thread.
As far as reading, that's all I've been doing for the past 2 months (hence, my low post count...didn't want to post when an answer is around the corner) Coming from the Iphone, this is a whole new monster, and all the reading I've done has benefited me infinitely
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Cool. I will be sure to post correctly next time. Maybe a mod can move this thread.
As far as reading, that's all I've been doing for the past 2 months (hence, my low post count...didn't want to post when an answer is around the corner) Coming from the Iphone, this is a whole new monster, and all the reading I've done has benefited me infinitely
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Enjoy your phone, I love mine, I'm a noob too and I spend hours everyday studying these forums. Everyone on here is very helpfull, I use Designgears stuff and love it. His new ROM is amazing it will make your phone fly. My phone has never worked like this, my battery life has improved drastically since flashing this ROM last night. Here's a link to the thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=786532
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Enjoy your phone, I love mine, I'm a noob too and I spend hours everyday studying these forums. Everyone on here is very helpfull, I use Designgears stuff and love it. His new ROM is amazing it will make your phone fly. My phone has never worked like this, my battery life has improved drastically since flashing this ROM last night. Here's a link to the thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=786532
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Yes, but she needs to show it off in her signature... =)
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Yes, but she needs to show it off in her signature... =)
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I was enjoying it so much I forgot to update my signature. I've been hanging out here trying to help answer some questions, thanks for catching that.
but either way, i ask only this. is there a permanent root of any kind there for test on any level. i am happy to give full help in regard to finally making my dhd run as well as my n1 did after a little beating around. i am keen to understand the intracacies that make up the development and control of these devices. they r so useful once they are opened
cheers
I believe at this moment we can just wait and pray for some genius to crack it
By the look of it, it's not going to be an easy task, and I do believe it will take at least a month if we are lucky. I guess at this moment we should just be content in using the Visionary app to root.
nope, this isnt the right place to ask....questions go in the QnA section, not development (sorry, too used to writing that in the G1 section for 18 months)
there isnt full root yet, but a bunch of the guys are working on it both for the G2 and DHD, once one is done, the other will be very quickly
thanks for the hasty replies. on the development topic as i said i am more than happy to risk my handsets proper functioning to help these guys run any tests, im looking in to goldcard creation but am i right in thinking that i will not get anywhere with the supplied 8gb samsung sd card i got with the device.
cheers for being patient, i want to begin serious developmentso thought i would post here instead of with general questions as this is soley aimed at route and total functionality of my device.
meh
Hello, I was wondering what the benefits of rooting the My Touch 4g would be? Would this allow me to remove the bloatware that came pre-installed on the phone? Also I've heard talk of a possible better rom to put on the phone. Would someone be able to explain why this would be better and what rom might be better?
Thanks
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Hello, I was wondering what the benefits of rooting the My Touch 4g would be? Would this allow me to remove the bloatware that came pre-installed on the phone? Also I've heard talk of a possible better rom to put on the phone. Would someone be able to explain why this would be better and what rom might be better?
Thanks
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Disclaimer/Advice/Humble Opinion:
My advice (without trying to hurt anyone's feelings too much) is DON'T ROOT. I would suggest you familiarize yourself with everything (Linux, ADB, XDA, Google) before diving in head first.
Despite popular belief, having root does NOT in fact make you cooler.
Way too many new users are trying to root because they think it's cool or heard it's cool. You need to learn your device first.
If you don't know how to perform a Nandroid backup, or restore a previous ROM backup, flash updates, install custom ROM's etc, then you should NOT root. You should browse the forums here, read everything until you know it well. Google search related topics. Exhaust all available avenues, then ask questions. After you've executed all of these options you might consider rooting and starting to tinker with your device.
I second what CBC has said. They lock these phones down for business and support reasons, mainly that having root lets you pretty easily screw things up. You shouldn't root unless you have a good idea of what's actually going on, how to back out of it, etc. Just page through some of the root/unroot threads and look at all the stupid questions people post. If they don't look stupid to you, please read read read before thinking any more about rooting.
Don't take any personal offense to this, it just that there's a real chance you can brick your device. The software root itself is fairly safe but at least the original method to disabling the write protection--flashing the engineering hboot--modifies your last line of defense in fixing a broken device.
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Hello, I was wondering what the benefits of rooting the My Touch 4g would be? Would this allow me to remove the bloatware that came pre-installed on the phone? Also I've heard talk of a possible better rom to put on the phone. Would someone be able to explain why this would be better and what rom might be better?
Thanks
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Benefits to you zero. If you can't do a simple search of google to find out the benefits or if rooting is even for then I can say it will have no benefits to you
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jjjackson56 said:
Benefits to you zero. If you can't do a simple search of google to find out the benefits or if rooting is even for then I can say it will have no benefits to you
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Wow, so much for friendly forum help huh...
Sorry not trying to be rude or unhelpful I'm just blunt I could've sugar coated it but what would be the point. You obviously found us using one of the many search engines out there just change your query and you won't get flamed.
As a side note anyone else in the future please do some research before asking this.
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Sometimes the benefits are little things that are not found in change logs. Things that are only discovered through usage by people who have already rooted their devices.
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Sometimes the benefits are little things that are not found in change logs. Things that are only discovered through usage by people who have already rooted their devices.
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Amen! I could read all day long till I am blue in the face and I have. I did not think asking people who are familiar with the process would be such a bad thing..
Good job with the flaming though. I'll just chalk it up as internet small man syndrome...
@spazfishy
I first started tweaking my phones with a couple WM HTC devices. I did it mostly to increase performance and become a member of a community of geeks (for lack of a better term). BTW, when I say tweak I don't mean building ROMs or writing code. I'm an idiot in that regard.
I'm a year and a month into having Android phones and I still don't know anything about SDK, very, very little about ADB push/pull, etc. Still, I've managed to have fun with my phones and have rooted and toyed with them without any issue worse than a boot loop here and there. It's fun to be the first guy to get an update for a ROM because you're eagerly hitting refresh on the supporting thread. There's also a satisfaction in reading a ****load of info on these forums and figuring out something by yourself or with a little input from the guys here.
I can agree that you should read as much as you can about how these phones work. However, you don't need to know as much as you might think. What helped me was watching some youtube videos...walkthroughs of rooting and tutorials for installing ROMs.
It's **** like this, XDA.
Instead of telling this guy "sorry, rooting is too difficult for your little brain to comprehend, you're just going to end up bricking you're phone" why don't you try to help him with his problem?
I've been following XDA for a while now, and it bothers me that many of you would rather treat this as some type of subculture when we're only talking about ****ing cell phones. Instead, why not try to grow this little community, and show carriers that consumers not only desire open source, they demand it in products they spend their hard earned money buy.
Things will only get there if we can rely on developers and enthusiasts to help spread their knowledge. Modaco and Cyanogen already do a really good job of it, and so does AOSP.
I say to spazfishy, yes. Root you're phone, but not right now. Wait a bit. As more stable ROMs became available, this is actually a good way of getting your phone to behave the way you want it to. And if you've been on this website before, you know the risks involved so do you're homework, and happy hunting.
Hopefully you'll find someone with talent willing to help you.
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I say to Daryllh, yes. Root you're phone, but not right now. .
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your post was good but it was spazfishy who was asking the question. it's all good.
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Instead of telling this guy "sorry, rooting is too difficult for your little brain to comprehend, you're just going to end up bricking you're phone" why don't you try to help him with his problem?
I've been following XDA for a while now, and it bothers me that many of you would rather treat this as some type of subculture when we're only talking about ****ing cell phones. Instead, why not try to grow this little community, and show carriers that consumers not only desire open source, they demand it in products they spend their hard earned money buy.
Things will only get there if we can rely on developers and enthusiasts to help spread their knowledge. Modaco and Cyanogen already do a really good job of it, and so does AOSP.
I say to Daryllh, yes. Root you're phone, but not right now. Wait a bit. As more stable ROMs became available, this is actually a good way of getting your phone to behave the way you want it to. And if you've been on this website before, you know the risks involved so do you're homework, and happy hunting.
Hopefully you'll find someone with talent willing to help you.
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I SECOND this sentiment. yes, I agree with the overall concept that people should do a search on the forums first and that we don't "need " several separate threads with the same info... however how much better is it really to have a bunch of threads floating around (taking up just as much space as the redundant threads that everyone treats as a plague) chastising and mocking people who just want a little help with their friggin phone??
I've recently been spending a lot of time on these forums after picking up my mt4g and as useful as these forums are - every third thread is someone belittling a poster for asking a simple question. it's pathetic and not beneficial to our community.
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I SECOND this sentiment. yes, I agree with the overall concept that people should do a search on the forums first and that we don't "need " several separate threads with the same info... however how much better is it really to have a bunch of threads floating around (taking up just as much space as the redundant threads that everyone treats as a plague) chastising and mocking people who just want a little help with their friggin phone??
I've recently been spending a lot of time on these forums after picking up my mt4g and as useful as these forums are - every third thread is someone belittling a poster for asking a simple question. it's pathetic and not beneficial to our community.
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Great. Then why don't you and Sl3PR be the first to start helping. Your turn.
People should off just told him the benefits of rooting so he can learn when he bricks his phone on what rooting is about.
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People should off just told him the benefits of rooting so he can learn when he bricks his phone on what rooting is about.
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You're right. I agree. Let them brick. Then be right back here begging for help.
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Its not that we are flaming anyone its just that we see the same questions over and over. If the question was I've rooted my device now what can do any pointers you would've gotten much more answers. I remember before I rooted my first device I had the same question so I googled that and it came up with pros and cons simple as that.
As far as the small man syndrome over the internet I drive a huge diesel truck with smoke stacks chew and work out endlessly but I'm 4'11" so I don't just do it over the internet. ;-)
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People should off just told him the benefits of rooting so he can learn when he bricks his phone on what rooting is about.
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Ya so he could send it back thus driving up the price of new phones and causing phone manufacturers to lose money and causing more headaches for them as well as others.
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Its not that we are flaming anyone its just that we see the same questions over and over. If the question was I've rooted my device now what can do any pointers you would've gotten much more answers. I remember before I rooted my first device I had the same question so I googled that and it came up with pros and cons simple as that.
As far as the small man syndrome over the internet I drive a huge diesel truck with smoke stacks chew and work out endlessly but I'm 4'11" so I don't just do it over the internet. ;-)
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yes, heaven forbid he not do EXACTLY what you did!
in a Q&A forum no less..give me a break. and no, I'm not gonna keep going on and on about this in this thread. i'm done.
it just proves the original point i was trying to make - which is now we just have another thread on this boards of people being a**holes and talking down to other people just because they don't possess the exact same information you do or because they aren't going about your perfect prescribed process for obtaining said information..whatever.
if someone asks a question you don't like - why don't you just go re-root your phone? or put your wife's cat in the microwave?
if you have the answer - why not take the 90 seconds it was going to take you to be a giant tool and just answer the question?
OR if redundant posts is really THAT big of a problem on here - then have moderators just delete these posts? or figure out how to become a moderator and then you can play forum cop in all of your spare time and delete these posts and actually be part of a solution not just a part of another problem.
see all you happy campers in another post
have a nice day.
(and btw - CBC - at least your initial reply had some actual information in it and geniune advice. jjackson was just being a jerk. that's what i thought was totally unnecessary. and as far it being 'my turn' - since i've been regularly reading this forum, i do answer questions when i feel like i have something to contribute..this is my first android phone and i have only temp rooted so that's why i didn't answer his post to begin with)
Ok well I'm sorry if I otherwise offended anyone with my rants.
So lmgtfy
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=442480
But do not follow those instructions they are not for our device. I REPEAT DO NOT FOLLOW THOSE DIRECTIONS. Just use that as a helpful guide for information.
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Hey, a big thanks to the people that were actually helpful. For real this reply will be short and simple but seriously to the haters. Why do you even waste your time replying if you do not like my question? Are you simply here to feel powerful and mock people? Like why would you go out of your way to call me and idiot and assume I am going to break my phone? I really don't see what's in it for you besides a self attained ego boost. Hence the small man comment...
So to the helpful people: thedroid, daryllh, Sl3PR, ckisgen and anyone else with a helpful word or two your comments are much appreciated and with your wisdom I am slightly more educated and will make a decision. And to the others well I didn't know my text took up so much space!! Good luck in scaring more new users away! I hope you guys get a lot of people to click your donation buttons!
Hello,
I think this question could serve as a guide as well. I am sorry if a question along the same line has been asked, I searched the forum thoroughly to no avail.
Here is my question. I just bought an Atrix (my first ever smartphone) and I am relatively tech-savvy. I would like to know:
- What are the MUSTs for a new Atrix for getting the most out of the phone and optimizing performance, e.g., remove at&t apps, install this app, remove that app, etc..
- What are the SHOULDs ...
- What are the CANs ...
These, of course, are relatively subjective words, and I am sure varies from person to person, but I am willing to listen to anyone's comments.
For example, I have no idea if rooting is a must/should or a can, as I do not know the precise advantages since it's my first ever smartphone.
All your answers are appreciated. Thanks a lot.
tuncay
Oh well, I used to flash the **** out of my old tilt 2... sleepless nights, sweat, almost bricked it couple of times. I don't have time for that anymore. That's why I choose Atrix over Inspire. I didn't even rooted yet. No need to tether here. Pretty much everything is on the market is enough for me. If you want a toy, or for hobby, I would return it and go for Inspire. If you stll want to keep it, then go to app and development section, you won't get bored.
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Grats on ur new Atrix! If you kindly search or browse thru the Atrix section you will find all the sticky & the answer's that previous new owner's have also inquired on.
Give urself a fair amount of time to browse thru the exciting projects & accomplishments that ur fellow Atrix users have shared. I also learned this way and searching thru the threads was very educational.
Good luck & Happy hunting!
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I would say that rooting is a must. Motoblur has some nice tricks, such as accessing the Manage Apps page directly from the menu button, but overall, you probably want to be able to freeze all the bloatware with Titanium Backup, and replace the launcher with Launcher Pro or Go Launcher Ex. It'll result in a much smoother running device. You'll probably notice right now that swiping through your home screens is somewhat choppy. This will fix that.
As was mentioned, check out the dev forum. I'm also a new Android user, and it was a lot of help!
Picked up a desire HD. Decided to get away from the apple ecosystem. So i got rid of my iphone 4 and 3gs. Now i have skyrocket and desire HD. Just saying whats up. i've already rooted both phones and flashed several roms. Looking forward to this community.
Welcome, were mostly friendly round here.
Don't be afraid to ask questions & such, just do a quick search first to be sure you don't come across as a n00b, nobody wants that.
andyharney said:
Welcome, were mostly friendly round here.
Don't be afraid to ask questions & such, just do a quick search first to be sure you don't come across as a n00b, nobody wants that.
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roger that.
Hi
I'm pretty new to this myself - not the phone but to rooting and flashing roms. So far its going great, those devs are really doing a good job, it's really sweet with all this activity going on with ICS. I'm on Virtuous Quattro RC1 myself - a few bugs - but really good
If you're too much into gaming then you might miss your iphone 4 a bit but if you like a variety of softwares and tweaks then android is the way. Your best bet would be to check out the ICS roms laying around...
Welcome btw !
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Welcome, were mostly friendly round here.
Don't be afraid to ask questions & such, just do a quick search first to be sure you don't come across as a n00b, nobody wants that.
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*Threadhijack*
I'm very aware of the reason the development forums require 10 posts to post in, but I can't bring myself to post 10 things on topics that don't interest me (well, 9 with this one). How did you guys deal with this?
Remember you don't need 10 posts to PM the developer of a ROM if you have found a bug. Most users now consider the Development section as the "place" to post anything as it gets a little more traffic. You don't need 10 posts to read or download ROMs.
Unless your actively developing/developed something then there should be no reason to post there.
You should read, search & then ask.
My absolute hate is "Thanks" posts. If I see them I will delete them. They do nothing, but "boost" the post count. If you want to say thanks, hit the "Thanks" button. Or Buy them a beer/coffee/other if they have a donation link. Or send them a PM personally thanking them.