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Why do they do this?

Ok we live in an age where our phones can pretty much do anything we need on a fly but for the life of me I just don't understand why they come with only a 1500 battery. Is there a reason why they can't give us a 3000 battery or better and still have the same phycial size of a 1500 battery.
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blackdragon79 said:
Ok we live in an age where our phones can pretty much do anything we need on a fly but for the life of me I just don't understand why they come with only a 1500 battery. Is there a reason why they can't give us a 3000 battery or better and still have the same phycial size of a 1500 battery.
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Because the aliens have not granted us access to a high enough level of technology to allow it.
The battery in your phone is an incredible piece of technology. Let me tell you about my Zach Morris phone from 1987...

blackdragon79 said:
Ok we live in an age where our phones can pretty much do anything we need on a fly but for the life of me I just don't understand why they come with only a 1500 battery. Is there a reason why they can't give us a 3000 battery or better and still have the same phycial size of a 1500 battery.
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Because then the phones look like this:
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Yes, that is the Verizon Thunderbolt with the stock extended battery.

Why doesn't my car get 300miles to the gallon?!

Basically, it's physics and safety. A LiPo battery would provide more storage, however they can explode when damaged or old. Youtube showcases quite a few examples. Personally, I think Apple is crazy for using them in the iPhone 4. I'm sure they have taken reasonable precautions, but I can't help imagining the thing going off in some poor man's pants!
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muyoso said:
Because then the phones look like this:
Yes, that is the Verizon Thunderbolt with the stock extended battery.
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That's ugly. That's why I said keep the same physical size lol
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Maybe Tony Stark will share his technology and then we will never have to charge our phones.. Come on Tony, where is the leak???

Its all lies....

muyoso said:
Because then the phones look like this:
Yes, that is the Verizon Thunderbolt with the stock extended battery.
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Lolokilililololol. That thing is ugly. No wonder they done give us more pawer!

abduljaffar said:
Lolokilililololol. That thing is ugly. No wonder they done give us more pawer!
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Yea, I dont understand why they cant just create a battery that isn't EXACTLY rectangular, so that it could conform to the entire back of a phone.. Battery life would be gigantic.

muyoso said:
Yea, I dont understand why they cant just create a battery that isn't EXACTLY rectangular, so that it could conform to the entire back of a phone.. Battery life would be gigantic.
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They need room for the camera, speaker, etc.

063_XOBX said:
They need room for the camera, speaker, etc.
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Take our phone for example. If the stock battery was 2mm thicker, it would create a cavity just above where the battery sticks out from where it could extend into right up until the camera lens.
Battery would look like this:
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Want that. For example, with the extended battery I have, it could literally be at least double the capacity it is now without needing a new back cover, if it really filled up every mm of the back cover.

muyoso said:
Because then the phones look like this:
Yes, that is the Verizon Thunderbolt with the stock extended battery.
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*organ keys crash* ahhhhhh get it away from me! Lol
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There are prevailing techs to increase battery life if you read Engadget...but they are still in test phase..but I will say this...the EVO/TP2 battery is practically 1.5x-2x the size of our battery..so I dont at least see why they can't put a 2250mah-3000mah battery thats the size of the TP2 battery..but I guess its because we are all (or at least majority) so obsessed with thinness...
What they can also make is a back cover thats a battery >.>..I mean there is no rule that it has to be square...if they do that they can easily fit 3000-4000mah without sacrificing too much depth...

gTen said:
There are prevailing techs to increase battery life if you read Engadget...but they are still in test phase..but I will say this...the EVO/TP2 battery is practically 1.5x-2x the size of our battery..so I dont at least see why they can't put a 2250mah-3000mah battery thats the size of the TP2 battery..but I guess its because we are all (or at least majority) so obsessed with thinness...
What they can also make is a back cover thats a battery >.>..I mean there is no rule that it has to be square...if they do that they can easily fit 3000-4000mah without sacrificing too much depth...
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The Evo battery is 1500mah
The TP2 battery is 1500mah
The Epic4g battery is 1500mah

Not to mention there is the weight such a large battery would add, I know I am not the only person who doesn't want a phone that weighs half a pound or more.

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Not to mention there is the weight such a large battery would add, I know I am not the only person who doesn't want a phone that weighs half a pound or more.
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It would be like.carrying a brick around. Lol
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foxBlade107 said:
Basically, it's physics and safety. A LiPo battery would provide more storage, however they can explode when damaged or old. Youtube showcases quite a few examples. Personally, I think Apple is crazy for using them in the iPhone 4. I'm sure they have taken reasonable precautions, but I can't help imagining the thing going off in some poor man's pants!
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I don't know. I have Ericsson T28w, still works well and no issues with its LiPo battery.
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foxBlade107 said:
Basically, it's physics and safety. A LiPo battery would provide more storage, however they can explode when damaged or old. Youtube showcases quite a few examples. Personally, I think Apple is crazy for using them in the iPhone 4. I'm sure they have taken reasonable precautions, but I can't help imagining the thing going off in some poor man's pants!
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the only real problem with the lipos that i have seen with my radio control cars is that you cant let them go dead or they will not charge again, and thats about it. I know theres more to it than JUST that, like they can explode somehow but thats what i have experienced.

People don't seem to mind the weight of the Evo which is noticeably heavier than our Epics. I wouldn't mind the weight if it DOUBLED my battery life.
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4800mAh Battery for the atrix!

Hello atrix owners, I'm surprised nobody mentioned this:
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2011/4/prweb8348163.htm
http://www.mugen-power-batteries.co...-for-motorola-atrix-4g-with-battery-door.html
has anybody tried it?, I'm ok with my battery but if this is gonna last for 3 days then I might consider it

Looks bulky. Not worth it imo. Too much money for a little more than double the battery. Plus no case would ever fit that thing.
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Unless it has filler plastic or that backshell is rigid, you're going to end up with a soft spot in the case above and below the battery.

I'm very certain it will look a lot like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKwcz-iibbs

geishroy said:
I'm very certain it will look a lot like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKwcz-iibbs
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lmao, jesus!

ooooh a 1" thick phone. 2002 all over again.

geishroy said:
I'm very certain it will look a lot like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKwcz-iibbs
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Holy crap, its way worse than I thought!

It looks really disgusting. With that amount of money it would make more sense to just buy a few batteries you can replace.

al3xx said:
It looks really disgusting. With that amount of money it would make more sense to just buy a few batteries you can replace.
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I actually did that. I got two 1900mAh batteries and external charger for $13. Not a bad deal I'd say.

geishroy said:
I'm very certain it will look a lot like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKwcz-iibbs
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holy ****! ... not gonna happen!

my eyes!!!! they burn!!!!!
dude seriously id rather carry a brick around that have that on my phone.
im still wonder. dont you all go home and charge your phones or something? why is battery power such a bug interest as long it gets you thur the day then there should be alright.

Thatd be cool if you were goin on a long trip and needed that extra battery but for daily usr its infesable.
Aluminum helmet, so they cant read my mind..

sal2708 said:
my eyes!!!! they burn!!!!!
dude seriously id rather carry a brick around that have that on my phone.
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My thoughts exactly. Thankfully I get good enough battery life that I dont need that.

can you say
explosion?

nosit1 said:
I actually did that. I got two 1900mAh batteries and external charger for $13. Not a bad deal I'd say.
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Where did you get the batteries and external charger from for $13?

cerps said:
Where did you get the batteries and external charger from for $13?
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They sell batteries on ebay cheap (I bought some for my Fuze), but they do not perform anything like OEM batteries.
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For the same price I buy one anida brand I'm waiting to see how works I want an extra emergency charger perhaps I figured out I need 850mah my actual charger that used charge my nexus isn't working
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Get one of these. When flying, I shut the phone off and let it charge during the flight.
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Not sure if this APC unit is still available, but there are many other options out there.
I also purchased one of these. More testing is needed, but I think it will fully recharge the phone twice. Used one of the Zagg 25% discount codes on it.
http://www.zagg.com/accessories/zaggsparq.php

cerps said:
Where did you get the batteries and external charger from for $13?
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eBay generic non-OEM batteries. If you want a link, PM.
In addition to that, I have an Imax Power brick. It was like $50 but it's amazing. 5000mAh. Greatest backup battery I have ever owned. Super reliable.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0013...=AKIAIUIJEUMCLEP2N5GQ&creativeASIN=B0013G8PTS

ZoinksS2k said:
Get one of these. When flying, I shut the phone off and let it charge during the flight.
Not sure if this APC unit is still available, but there are many other options out there.
I also purchased one of these. More testing is needed, but I think it will fully recharge the phone twice. Used one of the Zagg 25% discount codes on it.
http://www.zagg.com/accessories/zaggsparq.php
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I have this! I just don't know how much it'll charge my atrix cause it only charged like 75 percent of my iphone battery and i think thats only like 1350 mahs?

Not impressed with 60 Dollar seido "extended" battery..

I sure hope this fairs better in the next week or two. I hardly used the phone, streamed about 30 mins of slacker.com and didn't make more than 10 phone calls and 2 texts.
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If it was only one of the 1750mah batterys then you really should've done a bit more research, 3rd party batteries typically only have ~80% of the capacity they are rated at giving you ~1400mah or quite a bit less than the stock battery.

063_XOBX said:
If it was only one of the 1750mah batterys then you really should've done a bit more research, 3rd party batteries typically only have ~80% of the capacity they are rated at giving you ~1400mah or quite a bit less than the stock battery.
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it was a 3300 mah battery

I've never had any issue with battery life with my epic. I charge it every ngiht and it's good to go.

I like my Seidio 3300 mah battery a lot. It allows me to stream for several hours along with my normal usage (a call, couple of txt, beluga, facebook, & tapatalk). Did you let it sit fully charged for a few additional hours on the initial charge?

Its gingerbread, not the battery.
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marcusant said:
Its gingerbread, not the battery.
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I sure hope so.
It seemed weird that the screen wasn't #1 on the list like it usually is. I guess I'll be flashing back to 2.2 tomorrow.

budney said:
I like my Seidio 3300 mah battery a lot. It allows me to stream for several hours along with my normal usage (a call, couple of txt, beluga, facebook, & tapatalk). Did you let it sit fully charged for a few additional hours on the initial charge?
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yes, it was on the charger alllllllllllllll night for the first charge.

Should have gotten the $20 one from Ebay. Works just as good as the Seido.

kennyglass123 said:
Should have gotten the $20 one from Ebay. Works just as good as the Seido.
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No it absolutely doesn't.
The 20 dollar one on ebay constantly goes to "low battery" dies and then when you reboot the phone it has 40+ % battery left. That thing is junk!

J3ff said:
No it absolutely doesn't.
The 20 dollar one on ebay constantly goes to "low battery" dies and then when you reboot the phone it has 40+ % battery left. That thing is junk!
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Not the one I got. From a US seller with extra data cable and extended back was like $23 and it does double what the stock battery does. Got 1 for each of my 2 phones. I can get you the link if you want.

This is the good one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/N26-3500mAH-Ext...578987?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item230c70deab

J3ff said:
No it absolutely doesn't.
The 20 dollar one on ebay constantly goes to "low battery" dies and then when you reboot the phone it has 40+ % battery left. That thing is junk!
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What are you talking about? I bought mine for like 14 dollars and its been rock solid for months without a single one of those things ever happening. I also started a thread in the accessory section which has been there for months and not one person has posted issues like that.
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You probably should have went with the $20 Yoo Bao 2800mah. I get over 24 hours with 3g on all day and more usage than you.

Got my 3500 battery for about 10 bucks. Lasted about 17 hours with 40% left before I charged it on monday.
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I get well over 24 hours with my Seidio 3300, without turning off Wifi, or doing any special techniques to save battery.
Give it a chance. If I remember right, first charge kinda sucks, but 2nd and third improve a lot.

LunaticWolf said:
I get well over 24 hours with my Seidio 3300, without turning off Wifi, or doing any special techniques to save battery.
Give it a chance. If I remember right, first charge kinda sucks, but 2nd and third improve a lot.
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Well I'm hoping running a leaked 2.3 is part of why it didnt do so good.

J3ff said:
Well I'm hoping running a leaked 2.3 is part of why it didnt do so good.
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The 2.3 leak is HORRIBLE on battery life. There are complaints of CPU usage constantly, plus we don't know what processes can be killed yet.

kennyglass123 said:
The 2.3 leak is HORRIBLE on battery life. There are complaints of CPU usage constantly, plus we don't know what processes can be killed yet.
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Good, back to 2.2 I go

Fyi I'm on acs rom 2.2 and the seido isn't impressive. It absolutely wouldn't last a full day with 4g on much less just 3g with pandora etc. I did all the charging etc etc. Only reason I sprang for the seido is bc sprint paid for it. Maybe I would of done the yao bao batt but honestly I don't think it matters. I have set cpu to 200-800 and never with this phone has the battery been amazing with any rom or any kernal. Just the nature of the beast.
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Found out the ONE issue I have with this phone

My battery life blows and it's not for a lack of conditioning or calibration. I know how Li-ION batteries need to be calibrated and that they only last for about 300-500 charges. So I'm basically just kinda getting ****ty battery life.

Welcome to android
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Indirect said:
My battery life blows and it's not for a lack of conditioning or calibration. I know how Li-ION batteries need to be calibrated and that they only last for about 300-500 charges. So I'm basically just kinda getting ****ty battery life.
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Have you tried this method:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=712990
The Evo has a bigger, older, more battery consuming core.
Not much can be done about that.

If ur rooted throw on decks aosp rom with tiamat 3.3.7 kernel. Apparently that is the key to amazing battery life
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I've tried everything. It's just a bad battery. I only get 4 hours on tiamat CM7 with undervolt by 225 and cpu set to 691-921

Yeah. A well known fact. Old news, one might say. Some steps can be taken, but it's not going to drastically change. Could buy one those huge batteries .. *cringes*
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Indirect said:
I've tried everything. It's just a bad battery. I only get 4 hours on tiamat CM7 with undervolt by 225 and cpu set to 691-921
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Get a replacement? lol
Is that 4 hours with constant usage?

On and off usage (medium use) and I can't goto sprint and get a replacement. I'm stuck with bestbuy's replacement plan and I have to wait for my dad to call them.

Indirect said:
On and off usage (medium use) and I can't goto sprint and get a replacement. I'm stuck with bestbuy's replacement plan and I have to wait for my dad to call them.
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Medium use I can easily get 16 to 20 hours.
Definitely a hardware issue

If its just a bad battery why not get another?
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I can't just goto a sprint store though. It's under best buy. I mean I can see if a manager friend of mine can help me out.

Indirect said:
I can't just goto a sprint store though. It's under best buy. I mean I can see if a manager friend of mine can help me out.
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Well, your issue isn't the Evo itself, it's your personal phone.

I too had a bad battery. Use or no use it lasted for 6 hours max. Said f it! Got extended battery. NOW its a manly man's phone! It's got some girth! Feels like a brick lol. But I'm also a power user. Even so, 17 hours of use on first full charge. Definitely a top mod in my book.
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Try an SBC kernel cause battery calibration isn't ur answer. Also its not ur phone its ur kernel and also the governor and oc settings u set on ur phone.
free the dirk

Deck 1.3d. Tiamat 407 SBC. Conservative governor. (Start w 384min and 998max) Play w the values a little. Battery calibration app. V6 (optional). Don't see how it could go wrong. My battery has me in love w my Evo again after almost a year of owning it. Sense is a resource hawg. Until gingersense can figure out how to get the battery life froyo sense had it wont be back on my Evo anytime soon. I lost a t9 dialer going to Aosp...the theme engine makes up for that as mixer looks nice.

No kernel, voltage modification, or ROM is going to change the fact that your battery is bad.

I'm going with what Matty said as you all don't know what I've gone through with this phone. I've gotten all of the mods I was supposed to. I did everything possible I really think it's just a bad battery

Indirect said:
I've tried everything. It's just a bad battery. I only get 4 hours on tiamat CM7 with undervolt by 225 and cpu set to 691-921
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Did this not stand out to anyone else?
How on the world do you under volt that much A....
And 2 why would you set your min voltage so freaking high? Use, 245 or 128, I am under clocked to 128 614, which you hold yours constantly above that...
And E, I assume you are a power user. What is am average day like?
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Indirect said:
I'm going with what Matty said as you all don't know what I've gone through with this phone. I've gotten all of the mods I was supposed to. I did everything possible I really think it's just a bad battery
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Non-SBC kernel.
Tiamat 4.07 with -75mv lower voltage.
Admittedly, I've been using my phone constantly for the past three hours.
Before that, I was at 70%.
Stock battery.

Sgh-i317 pictures

http://www.51dgba.com/index.asp?boardid=34

Don't say i never did anything for you.
http://imgur.com/a/kOxBj
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lots more in the imgur link, didn't feel the need to post them all here.

Thank you sir!
I don't know how to upload images to the forum.

crazy talk said:
Don't say i never did anything for you.
http://imgur.com/a/kOxBj
lots more in the imgur link, didn't feel the need to post them all here.
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No problem

Tiny battery (1300 ma).. And it almost seems fake. Although the phone seems real.
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Typo or a knock off would be my guess.
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Those light sensor FF camera holes are suspect. I imagine this phone is just one of those non working hollow devices you find at cell phone stores to give people a preview of what the devices look and feel like.
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nadcicle said:
Tiny battery (1300 ma).. And it almost seems fake. Although the phone seems real.
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KB112 said:
Typo or a knock off would be my guess.
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Lol, the battery isn't even in the phone. Check your depth perception.
Look at the battery prongs. Right above the Samsung logo. they are sticking out, meaning NO BATTERY!
Edit: See here is the battery in the phone - Notice the difference?
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See here is the battery showing 3100. Guess you guys didn't look at the pics, lol.

antiochasylum said:
Lol, the battery isn't even in the phone. Check your depth perception.
Look at the battery prongs. Right above the Samsung logo. they are sticking out, meaning NO BATTERY!
Edit: See here is the battery in the phone - Notice the difference?
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See here is the battery showing 3100. Guess you guys didn't look at the pics, lol.
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rofl \m/

screws are just regular screws.... Samsung does not use those for the housing....
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msedek said:
screws are just regular screws.... Samsung does not use those for the housing....
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Um, yes they do. Take your battery cover off your N7000 and look. I've taken apart my n7000 a few times now and every time was with a phillips screw driver.

antiochasylum said:
Um, yes they do. Take your battery cover off your N7000 and look. I've taken apart my n7000 a few times now and every time was with a phillips screw driver.
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Yeah screws are very much there. Ask me I saw loads when my Note bricked
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Then I guess it was a typo? Lol
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KB112 said:
Then I guess it was a typo? Lol
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Wtf? No that's the input voltage to charge the battery. Haven't you guys ever played with a custom kernel with support to change the mAh when charging the battery?

What's the fascination with the battery?
Battery in my note atm is 3250mAh.
It's the same size and thickness as stock battery. Why are you all fascinated with a mocked up image of one with a 3100mAh battery? Or have I missed something?

zX TheRipper Xz said:
What's the fascination with the battery?
Battery in my note atm is 3250mAh.
It's the same size and thickness as stock battery. Why are you all fascinated with a mocked up image of one with a 3100mAh battery? Or have I missed something?
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Roughly how many hours screen time you getting with this battery?

lawtq said:
Roughly how many hours screen time you getting with this battery?
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To be honest I really don't know. Battery has never been a problem for me as I have the high mAh battery (3 of them!) and a dock at work and dock at home which can charged the phone as well as a spare battery. My phone sits in the dock at work pretty much all day so when I leave it's fully charged and that's plenty for very heavy use all evening. Once I go to bed it's back in the dock overnight. I never have to worry about low battery and even if I'm out all night or forget to put the phone in the dock I always have spares that are fully charged. For anyone who really cares about battery I'd just recommend getting a couple of high mAh batteries and docks and battery life will never be an issue again.

antiochasylum said:
Wtf? No that's the input voltage to charge the battery. Haven't you guys ever played with a custom kernel with support to change the mAh when charging the battery?
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My bad homey, I guess it threw me off as I haven't had a phone that charged at over 1000 ma before.
PS- are you from the bay area by chance? Antioch is a town out here, it's where my current office is.
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nadcicle said:
Tiny battery (1300 ma).. And it almost seems fake. Although the phone seems real.
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1300ma ≠ 1300 mAH