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Samsung 10.1 vs Transformer

Hey everyone,
I'm trying to purchase a tablet and am undecided between the transformer and samsung tab 10.1. Just wondering if anyone who has used one or both could help me out with the decision. Ill be using the tablet mostly for entertainment and for school once or twice a week. Thanks for the help!
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The Gtab 1 or 2? If you're refering to the first gen, of course Transformer is better. As for second gen, its not released yet so anything people say is mostly opinion based on specs

I prefer the asus spec wise. All the extra standardized ports and external storage slot are why people choose android over ios, imo. Internals seem similarly matched, Sammy gets the prize for prettiest tablet. If these were laptops sammy would be an nice ultra portable and asus would be the good all-purpose.

I would get the TF for best bang for the buck. You will save 100 bucks and on top of it it has a microsd slot and hdmi port, where the Samsung 10.1 does not. If you just wants looks well then go with the 10.1. I believe that Samsung made a huge mistake not including a microsd slot.... PLS vs IPS screen,what 10% brighter then the IPS screen on the TF not worth it to me. With that extra 100 bucks you save you could get the dock.....TF for the FTW.....

I wanted a galaxy.. but I have to say the lack of SDcard slot on the thing was an absolute dealbreaker. I really couldn't be happier with my transformer at this point.. especially with 3.1 fixing the YouTube / video problems

SLG951 said:
Hey everyone,
I'm trying to purchase a tablet and am undecided between the transformer and samsung tab 10.1. Just wondering if anyone who has used one or both could help me out with the decision. Ill be using the tablet mostly for entertainment and for school once or twice a week. Thanks for the help!
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this may be a little off.. but no one can compare the Samsung 10.1 since its not out. ill give you my opinion about the Xoom and the 10.1 off what i know.
I have heard from people who got the special edition Samsung 10.1 version, was that it had a better screen than the Xoom. the only thing that attracts me to the Samsung 10.1 is the thinness.. but after having a transformer, the size feels just right. I want something there , not just paper thin.
To be honest, get the Transformer.. I had the Xoom for 2 weeks and straight out of the box i knew there was an issue. I tried to enjoy it, but the screen kept turning me off. I went to the motorola forums and random other people posted asking if they would fix it via a firmware update? kinda like how the Nexus 1 got tweaked. There was no solid info regarding the screen. if your looking at the screen 100% of the time it needs to look good. At Angles, the Xoom looked blurry. I always had to hold it directly at me. While my Transformer (4 days new) i can set it down and tilt my head from my PC or any angle and it looks nice, colorful and sharp.
One of the turn off was that the Samsung 10.1 tab had a 3mp camera for front while the Transformer has a 5. these are just minor things but to me, id rather have a 5mp.
IMO, The colors stand out better than the Xoom but i cant compare the Samsung 10.1 which is not out yet.. With the new firmware 3.1 , it kicks even more ass. Samsung has said it would ship with 3.1 out the door. I haven't had any screen bleeding or creaking like a few have stated. Im completely happy in my purchase. Now i want the dock (which is not something i wanted originally) but the Transformer is an excellent Tablet.
What it comes down to is features, Skins ect. The Xoom has a Barometer built in, Transformer has a GPS without a carrier (but works better at tracking you when you uses a hotspot type of device) beyond that, its a click and it shows you the map where your at... i have had problems following me ...say in a car, while im driving. I think the built in Transformer GPS is meant for not moving objects but just a quick glance of the location. If you want it actively following you, like a cell phone GPS use a hotspot from Comcast 20$ a month or create a hotspot with your cellphone.
Im not sure what the Samsung 10.1 has exclusively built in. But since i purchased the transformer, ive forgotten about the Sammy 10.1 tab.

Thanks for the input everyone. Ya the biggest fear I had was not enough ports, especially the hdmi. The transformer is looking like a better pick to me. Just making sure that cloud based storage and remote desktop is standard on all of them right?
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SLG951 said:
Thanks for the input everyone. Ya the biggest fear I had was not enough ports, especially the hdmi. The transformer is looking like a better pick to me. Just making sure that cloud based storage and remote desktop is standard on all of them right?
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the remote desktop is kind of a joke, the reason being that you have to be on the same network as the computer youre linking to. mightbas well use the computer itself if youre that close! but this can always be replaced with other apps readily available in the market. i heard PhoneMyPC was a good alternative, only $15. as for the unlimited storage, its free for a year starting from when you sign up.

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the remote desktop is kind of a joke, the reason being that you have to be on the same network as the computer youre linking to. mightbas well use the computer itself if youre that close! but this can always be replaced with other apps readily available in the market. i heard PhoneMyPC was a good alternative, only $15. as for the unlimited storage, its free for a year starting from when you sign up.
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You do not have to be on the same network. Please don't spread false information.
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The screen on the TF is imho, very good but not great. With all the hype, a more objective review is required. I find the red a bit too brown and the black levels weak. You can see this if you use the attached color chart from this review's video: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Asus-Transformer-Eee-Pad-TF101-vs-Acer-Iconia-A500-vs-Motorola-Xoom-vs-Apple-iPad-2.53242.0.html . I suspect the samsung will have a better screen since they want to showcase their new PLS screen technology.
Note: the attached file size was limited to a 96k upload limit so it is better to download it yourself.

I had been going back and forth for over a month on if I wanted the Transformer or Galaxy Tab 10.1.
I purchased a Transformer a month ago when it first game out and like it, but was also bothered by some small issues. And I kinda think it's a little ugly. I ended up returning it and waiting on the Galaxy Tab 10.1
At the time I thought the Galaxy Tab 10.1 would have a micro SD slot (it was shown having one at CTIA). But now it seems the Wifi model doesn't have a micro SD slot. And one thing I learned from my 16GB iPad 1 experience is 16GB and no micro SD slot are a bad combination. So if I was going to by a Galaxy Tab 10.1, I'd have to spend at least $600 on the 32GB model.
I love the look of the Galaxy Tab 10.1, I love how thin and light it is. I love the PLS display. At least I love all that third hand from what I've seen of it so far. But the price difference for me is now $200, since I could get a 16GB Transformer and use a 16GB micro SD card I already own to get 32GB, versus having to buy a 32GB Galaxy Tab 10.1.
Yesterday I canceled my pre-order for the Galaxy Tab 10.1 and today I went to the store and bought the Transformer again. It's not perfect, but it's pretty dang good and better than anything else available now and apparently in the near future.
I love that it has micro SD, mini HDMI, micro USB, an IPS display, and is still pretty light compared to the other Honeycomb tablets out now.
I'll learn to live with the crappy speakers, goofy wide with rough edges, and ugly color. For only $400 though, it's also pretty amazing deal. And if I can ever find a keyboard dock, that'll just make it even sweeter as an Android netbook.
I really wanted to love the Galaxy Tab 10.1. If it wasn't for the lack of a micro SD slot, I would still be waiting for that instead. That is just one thing I really don't want to sacrifice. Samsung really is copying Apple a little too much these days.

coasterman927 said:
the remote desktop is kind of a joke, the reason being that you have to be on the same network as the computer youre linking to. mightbas well use the computer itself if youre that close! but this can always be replaced with other apps readily available in the market.
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Huh? Port forwarding! btw Splashtop is much better then logmein and its free with the purchase of TF. RD is a must for me casue I have my server which has no keyboard mouse, or monitor, having the ability to access it from the TF is much more easier then use my notebook.

dazz87 said:
Huh? Port forwarding! btw Splashtop is much better then logmein and its free with the purchase of TF. RD is a must for me casue I have my server which has no keyboard mouse, or monitor, having the ability to access it from the TF is much more easier then use my notebook.
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I'll add that there's a version of Splashtop coming that will support connecting to any device via a Gmail account. The desktop version has already been updated to support that, and so all we need is an update to the Android version. Then, you'll be able to connect to any machine over the Internet without fussing about with port forwarding that the like.
I remember Asus stating that support for the feature will be coming over the summer, and so we don't have long to wait. And I'm very impressed with how well the solution performs over wifi--I use it to watch TV via Windows Media Center on my desktop while my wife watches something else on the TV in the bedroom. It's as good as being at the desktop.

coasterman927 said:
the remote desktop is kind of a joke, the reason being that you have to be on the same network as the computer youre linking to. mightbas well use the computer itself if youre that close! but this can always be replaced with other apps readily available in the market. i heard PhoneMyPC was a good alternative, only $15. as for the unlimited storage, its free for a year starting from when you sign up.
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I enjoy remoting my pc which is on the second floor while I'm having a meeting on the 4th floor. you'll be the joke when you keep giving bad example.

I was in the same boat. But I saw it on amazon and just bought the ASUS. Done and done.

Nuke please.. it duped.

You can go either way if the lack of the SD has no impact to you.
On the other hand, there is the support side of it, which was the major decision factor for me.
20,000 people on a Samsung Pad is good, and there may be some good XDA support.
200,000+ people on the Asus EEE Transformer with custom kernels and fixes before asus can even think about addressing them is the biggest factor when it comes to android based devices.
Its the same reason I was on the moment, and same for the Epic 4G. Tons of people, tons of community support, so anything that might be broken has an incredible chance of being actually addressed as people will take it into their own hands.
Plus the factor that Developers will support and ensure their software works on the devices with pure numbers.
Oh, and on the Splashtop chatter. Take a look at your running services, its already there "Splashtop Remote". Just be nice to be able to use it, or has someone figured out how we can use it already?

Anonnie said:
Oh, and on the Splashtop chatter. Take a look at your running services, its already there "Splashtop Remote". Just be nice to be able to use it, or has someone figured out how we can use it already?
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My cloud app >[a bunch of next buttons]> my desktop and that runs splashtop for you

I had the same difficulty, though I was under the assumption that the Samsung had miniHDMI / MicroSD / USB ports. Of course I choose the transformer in the end because the extra battery / keyboard option is a nice addon though I don't plan on to buy but if i ever wanted more battery I'd know how to get it xD. The other thing that help me decide was that I personally believe ASUS has a better support staff for computing than Samsung, personal experience.

I walked into a Best Buy today and was looking for a TF, which of course they did not have. they had an Acer Iconia, so I went to go check it out. It was really heavy, and was wondering if the TF is similar in weight. Looking back, it might have been something attached to the Iconia that might've made it heavy, but I am not so sure. Also, all internals for Iconia/TF/Tab are all the same so they will perform similarly if used the same way, correct?

[INFO] Samsung Galaxy 10.1 review, finds its place next to the TF101.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4445/samsung-galaxy-tab-101-review/
Even though it's the 10.1 review, a lot of comparisons between it an the TF101 and iPad2 are drawn. Also some benchmarks and interesting tidbits for those interested.

Galaxy has no MicroSD and no HDMI. So the TF shouldn't even be on it's list of comparison. We're better than that.

ThaiM said:
Galaxy has no MicroSD and no HDMI. So the TF shouldn't even be on it's list of comparison. We're better than that.
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TF is twice as thick, and is quite a bit heavier, it's all up to personal preference and what your needs are. If I didn't want a keyboard dock I'd probably shoot for a Galaxy Tab. Saying there isn't a comparison is pretty weak of you, you must be a fanboy.

seshmaru said:
TF is twice as thick, and is quite a bit heavier, it's all up to personal preference and what your needs are. If I didn't want a keyboard dock I'd probably shoot for a Galaxy Tab. Saying there isn't a comparison is pretty weak of you, you must be a fanboy.
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If you find 130 grams to be too heavy (the weight of about 2 chocolate bars), then you might as well get the iPod Touch.
My 3 year old has no problems using my TF for extended periods of time. And last I checked, I had no need to slide it under a door - although it will fit.

ThaiM said:
If you find 130 grams to be too heavy (the weight of about 2 chocolate bars), then you might as well get the iPod Touch.
My 3 year old has no problems using my TF for extended periods of time. And last I checked, I had no need to slide it under a door - although it will fit.
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Well then why not buy a notebook instead? Twice as thick, heavier but more powerful, cheaper and does more, hey you don't need to slide it under a door anyways so it doesn't matter.

seshmaru said:
Well then why not buy a notebook instead? Twice as thick, heavier but more powerful, cheaper and does more, hey you don't need to slide it under a door anyways so it doesn't matter.
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Because I want the features that the TF offers.
Touch Screen
Android
Detachable Keyboard
in addition to HDMI.

ThaiM said:
Because I want the features that the TF offers.
Touch Screen
Android
Detachable Keyboard
in addition to HDMI.
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who needs a detachable keyboard when weight doesn't matter? You can get notebooks with touch screens and you can put android on it if you want, you're an idiot lol notebooks are cheaper and more features who cares if they are heaver and bulkier and dont have detachable keyboards you don't need to slide it under a door after all RIGHT?

seshmaru said:
who needs a detachable keyboard when weight doesn't matter? You can get notebooks with touch screens and you can put android on it if you want, you're an idiot lol notebooks are cheaper and more features who cares if they are heaver and bulkier and dont have detachable keyboards you don't need to slide it under a door after all RIGHT?
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Show me a notebook with touchscreen that's $399 and has the convertable feature of the TF.

ThaiM said:
Galaxy has no MicroSD and no HDMI. So the TF shouldn't even be on it's list of comparison. We're better than that.
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They have (out of stock) adapters for MicroSD and HDMI. LOL
I like my TF much more than my older Galaxy Tab v1 (7 inch). The TF & dock is many times more useful. Main advantage of the GT 7inch is data access plan, but vzw cripples that with useless OS restrictions against free voice/ip, skype, tethering, etc. I can tether the TF to my phone which effectively 100% replaces the GT 7inch.
After months of waiting Samsung/vzw is releasing 2.3.3 for GT 7inch, but I do not have it available yet. Samsung are on their second iteration of accessories. The latest car adapter has USB port for your cable, and the plug itself is 100% proprietary (literally I think there are *no* aftermarket equivalents - that indicate the lightning bolt on the tablet as charging. 2.1 amps is not sufficient). At least Samsung has the proprietary cables to the tablet in stock. It should be the same accessories for the GT 10.1 as 7 inch, with some exceptions.
If Samsung releases s/w updates like Asus, I think these tablets will be comparable. If Samsung falls behind it may suck because Google is going forward very fast.
I like that the Asus and Samsung tablets are physically different because users can choose favorite hardware features, and it is good competition.

Bob Smith42 said:
I like that the Asus and Samsung tablets are physically different because users can choose favorite hardware features, and it is good competition.
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This. They will give you the same basic Honeycomb experience, which I hope Google keeps a tight rein on so that they don't end up with the same mess they have on phones. But the hardware is different enough from tablet to tablet to enhance the experience depending on what your needs are.
I've never used the HDMI out on my Evo or my TF, and probably never will. I will likely never get a keyboard dock. I'd like to have a tablet that didn't feel quite as rickety as the TF. But I do want more than 16GB of storage, and that and price trump the sexiness and build quality of the Galaxy to me.

ThaiM said:
Show me a notebook with touchscreen that's $399 and has the convertable feature of the TF.
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http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3027365 $329 after $100 coupon.
But anyway...

Itaintrite said:
http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3027365 $329 after $100 coupon.
But anyway...
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Ouch! LOOL!

Guys, I own both. The GT is definitely, hands down, the better tablet. The TF is a better "netbook." As a tablet alone (dockless), the HDMI port and MicroSD does not compensate for the heaviness, size, and inferior quality screen that the TF has. Try it out for yourself. You'll know what I mean.
All in all, if you already have a laptop or a netbook, get the GT. Otherwise, the TF might be a worthy bridge.

Yeah I Plan to use the TF For school and Out of town Trips. I dont own a laptop/netbook so the TF is perfect. Small and Portable. Ive Always Liked Asus too. If the GT 10.1 had a Micro sd card slot then It would been the perfect Tablet but they killed it >,< (Oh and HDMI too)

akarol said:
Guys, I own both. The GT is definitely, hands down, the better tablet. The TF is a better "netbook." As a tablet alone (dockless), the HDMI port and MicroSD does not compensate for the heaviness, size, and inferior quality screen that the TF has. Try it out for yourself. You'll know what I mean.
All in all, if you already have a laptop or a netbook, get the GT. Otherwise, the TF might be a worthy bridge.
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Dockless, HDMI and MicroSD matter if you'll use them. If you're not going to use them, go with the Galaxy Tab.
Don't dare say they're useless features, or not worth the extra weight and size (very insignificant differences, imo)
The screen on the Galaxy Tab sports a PLS panel, and it is definitely better... Kind of. Color reproduction is worse. Viewing angles are better.
Backlight bleed is just as much of a problem. It's still an edge-lit device.
Although PLS is new, it's still an LCD. Stuck pixels/dead pixels will occur, and quality control won't get all of them.
If you're looking for a tablet, try the GT and the TF, and the iPad 2. It's all about preference If you're looking for a netbook, get a netbook.
As an aside, if you have a good HD television, HDMI is awesome for watching movies, etc. in HD on the tele!

No MicroSD means that it is JUNK. If I wanted a Tablet that does not allow expansion I would have gotten an iPad instead.

dorino1 said:
Dockless, HDMI and MicroSD matter if you'll use them. If you're not going to use them, go with the Galaxy Tab.
Don't dare say they're useless features, or not worth the extra weight and size (very insignificant differences, imo)
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Yup it doesnt matter to Samsung user cause its $40.00 for hdmi adapter and $20.00 for the usb adapter.....Kinda silly looking with a Tampon string (hdmi/usb adapter) sticking out of the bottom of the tab.....

I don't have a dock but I went with the TF just for the MicroSD. It's a must. I do wish it was lighter.

seshmaru said:
who needs a detachable keyboard when weight doesn't matter? You can get notebooks with touch screens and you can put android on it if you want, you're an idiot lol notebooks are cheaper and more features who cares if they are heaver and bulkier and dont have detachable keyboards you don't need to slide it under a door after all RIGHT?
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You clearly don't understand the needs of other people.
I have a laptop - I can check my email, weather, news, facebook, twitter and see what the Amazon app of the day is BEFORE my laptop can load a browser... I spent $1400 on the laptop and find my investment in the Transformer for be head over heals better - I need things to be efficient, fast and trouble free and the Transformer provides me with that.
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ThaiM said:
If you find 130 grams to be too heavy (the weight of about 2 chocolate bars), then you might as well get the iPod Touch.
My 3 year old has no problems using my TF for extended periods of time. And last I checked, I had no need to slide it under a door - although it will fit.
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greatest responce ever looooool " slide it under the door hahaha"
samsung 10.1 is more expensive and worthless company behind it, i know i have a galaxy s and never again will i buy from samsung
" weighs the same as 2 coco bars" lmao

why did you choose this over the acer iconia and galaxy tab 10.1?

these 2 seem to cover opposing needs which overlap with transformer. You need good display and weight then tab. You need expandability, iconia is there and cheap.
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acers too heavy and video playback is gash, otas havent been as frequent and its filled with bloat.
samsung price is too high, connectivity is rubbish, lack of support from samsung, screen problems, touch wizz.
i would have another 7" gtab gtp1000 though, good roms for it and its great for its spec.

put them side by side, looks at the screen transitional rate. Alright, transformer it is.
well long before the TF was out, was xoom and acer iconia. Both of them didnt have a smooth screen transition rate, when android was still at 3.0 honeycomb. so I decided to wait a little longer and see what the TF got to offer. Samsung galaxy tab 10.1 came too late into the market for me =\

I've owned both Asus Transformer and 10.1 and design, weight, and screen goes to Galaxy Tab 10.1. However the lack of ports was a major turn off so I've stuck with the transformer instead. I'm glad I did because its seems to be one with the most development and traffic in terms of tablet in this forum.

At the time I bought my TF the Acer was more expensive. Also, no dock and a cruddier screen almost as bad as the Xoom's.
The Galaxy 10.1 hadn't been announced yet but price, dock and a general dislike of Samsung would still have led me to the TF.

For me it was only ONE reason: The dock-to me it's a total no brainer. These tablets are all pretty much the same, with the only differences being the hardware. Having a built in, removeble, foldable keypad makes the Transformer miles ahead of all the others. Interesting enough, I find that I haven't even uncovered, much less used the USB ports or the HDMI out, as well as the external micro SD slot

Much like fldude99 I bought the Transformer for the dock.
In my look at the time (pre-A500), the Tab was pretty much the cream of the crop when I did research. Especially since I could get a version from my carrier instead of the WiFi only version; although now that I look, it seems they have stopped carrying them :-/. So if I just wanted a typical "Tablet", I would have bought a Galaxy Tab 10.1 or held out for Xoom II. While owning an Android phone, I don't have much use for a tablet unless it can do whatever I can do with my existing system. The ASUS Transformer is almost exactly like the EeePC I have been using, and except for the Android SDK, seems to let me do everything I've been doing in straight Linux (courtesy of a Debian chroot and the Market).
Since I got the EeePC earlier this year, what made it worth my while to upgrade to the Transformer -- excessive of battery life due to the dock.
Which is just good, because I can both work on code longer if the power goes out, and as my fiancee lives 4200+km away -- it is much better suited to plane travel then any other system I could get. Short of buying several battery.

keyboard dock and price.

The iconia was actually my first choice while I was deciding between the TF and the iconia. After using the iconia for a while, I realized the huge advantage of having a keyboard dock option with the TF.
I paid about $300 for the iconia. I paid $380 for the TF+dock. So, money wasn't an issue.

TF over Iconia:
TF not as bigger/fatter
TF not as heavier
TF not better looking
TF screen was nicer
The dock was a very nice option.
TF over 10.1:
TF offered MicroSD card slot (single biggest reason)
TF was $100 cheaper
FT offered a better dock option

I've always hated acer so I don't even look at their stuff. The samsung was too expensive for the same hardware(plus the screen on the galaxy tab is oversaturated)

keyboard and price for me too. and now you lucky late-adoptors can get the keyboard at the tablet's original price point. all the tegra 2 tablets are basically the same...what sets them apart are build quality and accessories.
TF isn't neccessarily the top in terms of build quality (although it's pretty good)...but with the keyboard dock, it's #1 at accessories.
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The dock is the reason I got the TF. If I only needed to consume media than the 10.1 would have been my choice. But the dock moves the TF to a different level of usefulness to me. Typing much more than a sentence or two without a dock is a pain.

I use this as a laptop replacement.
1) USB : Ethernet, 3GB, External Harddrive
2) Dock : Battery, PERFECT RDP client
Neither Acer(usually bad support) nor Samsung (no dock back then)
Asus wins!

1) dock
2) screen
3) never had problems with an Asus product, the only Acer product I've owned was rubish
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Comparing, in my opinion:
-Acer: looked cheap, felt bulky and heavy, great connectivity and expandability
-Motorola: looked great, felt heavy and bulky, expensive
-Galaxy Tab 10.1: looked great, thin & light, felt fragile, lack of connectivity and expansion
-Asus: looks good, good connectivity and expansion options, size and weight is fine, it feels good in my hands
Also after looking a bit, it seemed that those tabs aren't having a great support from the makers, while Asus was getting the updates and seemed to care more about its product.

The price and the dock.
Right now if I were buying, i'd maybe consider the Xoom due to the price drop.

About a year ago I got the now infamous ZTE Blade, which still is an awesome bit of hardware given how cheap it is and was at the time. Ended up becoming a major Android fan, trying out half a dozen different ROMs and generally playing with it. It's still a cheap and cheerful device though - plasticky, doesn't do Flash - numerous drawbacks. I still use it, and still love it though.
I started salivating over the TF when it first came out - I loved the look of Honeycomb, and really wanted to get my hands on a tab running it properly - not a bargain basement number with it hacked on. I just couldn't financially justify it - I'm not rich, and although any spare income tends to go on PC upgrades or gadgetry, the price of most Honeycomb tabs was way beyond my means. Ultimately, a very kind relative gave me a large cheque for my birthday last month and I found a cheap open box TF+dock on the site I most often use for computer related purchases and figured I was sick of obsessing about it and the should just buy the damned thing.
There were a few things that swung it for me - mainly it was the dock which had the potential (and did in practice) turn a tab from being something that seemed purely luxurious and geared towards media consumption into something that could be used productively. The full size USB ports played a part, as did the price compared to other, similar specced tabs (which all seemed to have less options, storage wise) and the fact it was ASUS hardware - all my self-build PCs have had ASUS motherboards, and I've had a couple of their graphics cards too.
So mainly the dock and the price. I've had it for under a fortnight (I was lucky - got a B05) and I don't regret it in the slightest.

it was simple for me... it had MicroSD right on it, and the propietary dock was not needed with the keyboard in order to use a SD card, external HDD, thumb drive, etc

Price and availability where key points against Samsung tab. Didn't even bother with acer as I'm not very satisfied with acer stuff.
Also the dock and speedy update where an plus for tf
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[Q] Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet really that bad in Benchmarks?

Hi,
I'm thinking about buying a Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet, because of the stylus panel.
But just saw this Benchmark and now I don't know if it's real?!
Is it possible to have that bad benchmarks with a tegra 3 cpu?
The HTC Flyer is the only option, but it's only 7". Maybe a Asus Transformer Prime without stylus would be the better choice or even the Transformer?!
The Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25I4hXp8CEg
Do you know other benchmark tests? What do you think?
Thanks in advance!

prereleased , buggy and unoptimised software is my guess
Max. S (From my Galaxy 2)

brianius said:
Hi,
I'm thinking about buying a Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet, because of the stylus panel.
But just saw this Benchmark and now I don't know if it's real?!
Is it possible to have that bad benchmarks with a tegra 3 cpu?
The HTC Flyer is the only option, but it's only 7". Maybe a Asus Transformer Prime without stylus would be the better choice or even the Transformer?!
The Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25I4hXp8CEg
Do you know other benchmark tests? What do you think?
Thanks in advance!
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It is only Tegra 2. You should check out these two forums.
forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-slate-tablets/bd-p/Thinkpad_slate
forum.thinkpads.com/viewforum.php?f=65&sid=4ea4e6ba93aea84ae9d9d9f919b6b864
I think the reason to get this tablet is not the benchmarks but the ability to use a stylus. If you want better performance I would wait for them to update it.

fosselman said:
It is only Tegra 2. You should check out these two forums.
forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-slate-tablets/bd-p/Thinkpad_slate
forum.thinkpads.com/viewforum.php?f=65&sid=4ea4e6ba93aea84ae9d9d9f919b6b864
I think the reason to get this tablet is not the benchmarks but the ability to use a stylus. If you want better performance I would wait for them to update it.
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Of course it's tegra 2, everyday is a new tegra 3 device in the in the news, just mixed it.
Thanks for the links these forums look good. Still don't understand why xda has no thinkpad forum. So there will be no ROMs or other developing here?
That would be a big point against lenovo for me! Who knows what you could do with a digitizer...
I've read a lot reviews and stuff, now. If you are interested in a good tablet like the transformer prime, but with digitizer I would suggest to wait for the next HTC releases with Scribe, ICS, unibody and 10"+ If you can't wait - GET IT!

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Actually, over at Laptop mag they did an extensive benchmark of the Thinkpad against a few others and to me it seem to be quite fine.
I've been on the fence between the Thinkpad, The Toshiba Thrive and the original Transformer and so far I am still leaning towards the Thinkpad.
Now if one is to compare it benchmark wise to the Transformer Prime, then there is no contest.
edit: Thanks admins/mods for creating the Thinkpad forum.
TS

To me raw benchmarks mean absolutely nothing. It's all about real life performance. And for my needs the Tablet works just fine.

I agree, and your recent real life review shows that very well.
TS

it's all about business
You must understand, the ThinkpadTablet is a business model. I here people arguing all the time why to buy this instead of a SGTAB. It does not even come with youtube preinstalled ( mine didn't ) so if your looking for video playing and Angry Birds you're wasting your money. I'm not saying it's not capable, it's fully capable but you're wasting it's potential. I tried most of the tablets and none raise to this. I even own an iPad 2... but it's all about multimedia and 1000 gb of games on that. I find the Thinkpad business apps and secure connections to be the best. It can connect to VPN encryption like not other. The pen is also superb. Great battery and connectivity. Robust with a great Keyboard-Folio Case. The OS is stable but i would have liked a Custom ROM. Still if they update to ICS it will be perfect.
Really a hidden jewel among the others, but only if you use it for the above purposes. Otherwise buy a SgTab and than buy a pen and you'll like it more.

+1. It's a workhorse, and a superb one.
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Hey,
Recently i've bought a Thinkpad Tablet. And i'm using GTB 10.1 p7500.
Maybe in not distant future, i'll make a comparison of those two. But for now, my GTB is going to be sold. Lenovo is much better. Not in every wy, but the way i'm using it...

Don't buy
I am generally disappointed with this tablet. While I was writing this reply I had to reboot. FC all the time, it lags way too much (Flash, launcher, writing this comment and scrolling up and down a web page)
But it boot up very fast!

Hello again.
After month of using TPT, here is some summary:
for:
- wide range of inputs (hdmi, usb, sdcard)
- stylus
- external keyboard with pin pointer
- very natural colors
- stability
- most of the unneeded apps can be uninstalled
- outstanding rubber-like cover
- very good for watching movies on my big screen, via hdmi
against:
- battery (i have to charge it every day - GTB once every two or three days)
- lack of rooting procedure
- BT 2.1 (GTB BT 3.0), very sluggish
- nobody knows how to root this thing
- sensitivity of the screen (GTB is far more sensitive)
- did i mention rooting problems ?
For now i can say, tha this is very good tablet. But if you want to use it as it is. If you like to personalize everything, if you need root or something like that, wait or buy something else...
For me ideal would be tab like GTB but with docking bay/docking station with all the features that TPT have.

I took that Keyboard Folio docking section apart and truth be told, Lenovo could have changed the setup to allow an additional USB port in that area.
TS

you dont take your work truck to an engine dyno or a drag race - you get it to work... are you really going to look at benchmark?
you get this tablet for the computrace, one of the best warranty in the service, some free app bundle, a pen (and a place to put it), ips display, hdmi out, full size USB that works with a number of devices, and a tablet that doesnt look like a toy or a device meant for female audiences

Aw, hell. I guess that means it'll never come in pink. Is it too butch? Would I look to dorky changing out my hair doodads in its reflection (when it's off, of course. Or should I buy one of the Mirror apps when I go pickup my blinker fluid?)
Seriously. If I get one of these, should I only take it out when I have my Chuck Taylors or Birkenstocks on?

Transformer versus HTC Flyer

I am contemplating selling my transformer in order to get the HTC Flyer. I like the form factor and the ever note integration. I know the flyer is 1.5ghz single core but I've read where this is almost equal to the dual core for the Transformer, though mine is ocd to 1.4ghz. Cameras are about equal, but I might be prone to use the flyers camera more as it is more portable. I can read reviews and watch YouTube vids all I want. Right now I am on Prime ROM. I qm a teacher so this is more for note taking and movies books and games and the occasional notes and GPS. I'm still looking for that all in one device.
I guess if I really anted it all minus the camera quality I'd get the ipad 2. But next year the 3 will be out and the price is pretty high and its almost too easy.
Thanks for looking.
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If I'm not mistaken, the HTC Flyer doesn't even run Android Honeycomb. Not sure why you'd want to go from a 3.2.1 device to a 2.3+ device.

But we're under the assumption that ICS will be ported to any device that has active devs, right? In any case... I think taking notes gets harder and harder when you go toward a smaller surface area.

True, but because of the pen that is made specifically for it, note taking is supposed to be easy. Then I read on the forums for the Flyer that due to flooding or something in Taiwan that the Flyer is hard to get. I was playing with the demo at BB last night. Didn't even think to as about if there were any in stock lol.
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Hmm, didn't know about the stylus, I want to look at it! haha

I thought long and hard about this before I made my TF purchase decision.
I honestly see these devices as being in totally separate categories.
The portability and 3G capability of the Flyer is an awesome bonus for content consumption on the go - like public transport and sitting at the airport etc.
The screen size and dock features of the TF make it a potent all rounder but it's more of an at home in bed or on the couch device.
Personally I find the world that is opened up by the dock (think external hard disk, mouse, keyboard etc) and the dual core (mines OC at 1.6) made it a compellign choice for me.
For most people I don't think these are competing products - depending on your use cases it's likely one wouldn't even be a consideration and the other would be ideal.

Looked at the Flyer when I was looking for a 7" tab. Nice unit. But what broke the deal for the Flyer is 2.3 GB with iffy upgrade. I've read (take with a grain of salt here) that HTC is "maybe" getting out of tablets (a la HP). The Flyer has been on 2.3GB for a loooooong time so ICS, IMO, might be even further down the road (if at all). Add in the price of the pen (yes, it is sold separately) and I walked away. Tried the Acer A100. Rotten screen (non-IPS) viewing, weak battery life broke the deal there. KF? Nope. Want a real tablet. NT? Bootloader remains locked so far but still better than the KF. Got the Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus and most pleased.
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eli.kennedy said:
I thought long and hard about this before I made my TF purchase decision.
I honestly see these devices as being in totally separate categories.
The portability and 3G capability of the Flyer is an awesome bonus for content consumption on the go - like public transport and sitting at the airport etc.
The screen size and dock features of the TF make it a potent all rounder but it's more of an at home in bed or on the couch device.
Personally I find the world that is opened up by the dock (think external hard disk, mouse, keyboard etc) and the dual core (mines OC at 1.6) made it a compellign choice for me.
For most people I don't think these are competing products - depending on your use cases it's likely one wouldn't even be a consideration and the other would be ideal.
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Agree. These are two completely different use unit. Sure they can do similiar tasks but are used differently IMO.

sdelliott31 said:
I am contemplating selling my transformer in order to get the HTC Flyer. I like the form factor and the ever note integration. I know the flyer is 1.5ghz single core but I've read where this is almost equal to the dual core for the Transformer, though mine is ocd to 1.4ghz. Cameras are about equal, but I might be prone to use the flyers camera more as it is more portable. I can read reviews and watch YouTube vids all I want. Right now I am on Prime ROM. I qm a teacher so this is more for note taking and movies books and games and the occasional notes and GPS. I'm still looking for that all in one device.
I guess if I really anted it all minus the camera quality I'd get the ipad 2. But next year the 3 will be out and the price is pretty high and its almost too easy.
Thanks for looking.
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As a Asus Transformer user and HTC Flyer user, HTC Flyer is more stable than Transformer because well, Android Gingerbread/Froyo is more stable than Honeycomb.
I use HTC Flyer more now because I can bring it out. The form factor is very good. Quality built like iPad without creaking like Transformer.

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I'm looking at your sig, and I must say, I'm thoroughly impressed.
Nook Color: CM7 7.0.0.3
TF101 Prime 2.1.1
Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus
DroidX: GB 2.3 Rooted
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Three tablets? Wow, that's amazing. Do you have a use for all of them, or do any collect dust or get used more infrequently/as a hobbyist toy?

jordanjay29 said:
I'm looking at your sig, and I must say, I'm thoroughly impressed.
Three tablets? Wow, that's amazing. Do you have a use for all of them, or do any collect dust or get used more infrequently/as a hobbyist toy?
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Heck. I've seen people with more toys than I!
Actually the only device that doesn't get daily use is the NC Each device has a primary purpose (that can be interchangable at times) but honestly much depends on what I need to do. For example, for Grand Rounds the GTab7+ works better as it's smaller. On desk the TF works well, with the transportability if need be. As all (except the NC) run same HC version my business apps all port well (reference/DDX/Pharmacy/etc). So, yeah only the NC is seeing less use. But fully charged and ready if needed!

I have nook color, flyer, and now transformer.
I use flyer as a more portable tablet in that i, take it on the metro for reading books and use it at work for taking notes. I find the pen to be fantastic.
Transformer is a better form factor for surfing the web (anything more than a quick check of some wikipedia page here or there). It stays at home mostly. If I take a trip somewhere, I'll bring it for movies and such, but I find it a bit large to whip out while traveling (metro, car, plane).
Nook color I gave to my fiancee, but she seems to like the transformer better (maybe size does matter?). Honestly I kinda saw the flyer as an upgraded nook color (nc doesn't have usable bluetooth, cameras, microphones, or HDMI out).
As for honeycomb upgrade for the flyer... There have been a number of increasingly more complete honeycomb builds leaked for the flyer, with the latest being leaked within the last month. This leads me to believe that the official honeycomb upgrade isn't too far off.
Not that anyone really cares, but I've also got an EVO 4G (quite honestly, still a great device), and the original G1.
@OP: did you decide what to do?

Thank for all the informative responses. I believe I am going to wait a bit longer and look at the TF Prime or the HTC Flyer when more stock arrives. I like to play games on my tablet so Kal El has me interested. The Flyer will lack here but still like its portability. I could be like the good Doc and get both but that's overkill for me. I'm either at home or in the classroom or at my campground site so I guess the bigger form factor not as big of a deal.
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