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So yes, Titanium Backup and the deletion of google talk are at it again. This time I actually knew I shouldn't delete then brain farted and did it anyway. So here lies my marketless and FC gapps everytime I pull the market app up.
For the record I searched as best as possible for a solution and the closest I got was a link for gtalk and the Evo 4G, and needless to say it still doesn't work, the market and the force close gapps.service still happens after re install
A solution without a flash and re-root is preferred, please educate the new guy! Thanks for the record I know I'm a jack wagon lol.
Search these forums (or Google) for Fascinate System Dump. It will have whatever files you deleted.
So dump files obtained. Is this is simple drag and drop to the OS or do I need a program on the computer to be able to interface with the filesystem on the Fascinate?
Bare with me guys, while I bring myself up to speed on tearing through the Andriod OS, hacking windows is one thing - tearing apart my phone for the first time - thats a whole nother ball game for me.
DeezNotes said:
Search these forums (or Google) for Fascinate System Dump. It will have whatever files you deleted.
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So I did that, finally got the files onto my phone and reinstalled all the google.apks including ones that were already existing on the phone.
To no avail I still get the gapps Force close and I'm still unable to download from market after restoring Google Talk Service.
Any help or a simple suggestion would be appreciated - been trying this all day with no success.
I'm not sure if you "installed" the apps or if you placed them back in their proper folder(s), but my guess is that any app you had pre-installed which you deleted was previously in the /system/app folder. The dump has all the files in this folder. You don't need to re-install these files, you need to just copy them back to the /system/app folder.
When you download and install an app, it will install to /data/app. If you "installed" the files rather than copying them back to /system/app, that may be the problem.
On a side-note, this is why I like to move files from one folder to another rather than use Titanium Backup to delete apps/files.
Don't forget to reboot your phone after you copy the files back to /system/app.
Lastly, I'm not responsible for what you break.
DeezNotes said:
I'm not sure if you "installed" the apps or if you placed them back in their proper folder(s), but my guess is that any app you had pre-installed which you deleted was previously in the /system/app folder. The dump has all the files in this folder. You don't need to re-install these files, you need to just copy them back to the /system/app folder.
When you download and install an app, it will install to /data/app. If you "installed" the files rather than copying them back to /system/app, that may be the problem.
On a side-note, this is why I like to move files from one folder to another rather than use Titanium Backup to delete apps/files.
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Roger that side note - that will be my new policy when managing files.
As far as the clarification - I have been indeed installing the apps instead of moving them to the appropriate location - I guess the difference in installation location never occurred to me. Thank you in advance for the heads up and I'll report my success or failure, hopefully success after i get out of work this evening.
Don't worry if I brick I won't hold you accountable - after all I'm the one who deleted Google apps from the Andriod phone. LOL, In hindsight it was a terrible Idea.
Hi everybody.
I'm come from Vietnam, where the Facebook is now banned.
We need someone to write a program to update the host file in /system/etc/ by just a touch.
Please copy the IP from http://armabloggin.com/2009/07/facebook-dns-block-fix/
to the host file (like AdFree program).
We cannot edit this file by Astro because it read-only. We don't know how to S-OFF our Android.
Thank you so much.
I thought that AdFree is for rooted phones only.
Here's the host file
I've modified the host file for you but I don't think you can get much further until you root your phone, giving yourself access to system/etc/ where the "hosts" file is for replacement.
Remove the .txt extension and replace it with your hosts file in /system/etc/ after rooting.
If your phone cannot be rooted at http://unrevoked.com/ have a look on the sub forum here for your phone.
As previously stated, changing any system file is impossible without root.
Why can't you use a one-click-rooting program? There are plenty around that work for quite a lot of phones. If that doesn't work there will be device specific guides available, unless it's a phone that can't be rooted (is there any?).
Sorry, I've already root the HTC Desire by Unrevoked.com and have RA-recovery.
I mean that I don't have S-OFF in my device.
I also used Astro to copy the host file to SD Card and edited it. But I cannot replace the host file to system/etc/.
So I need you help write a mini-soft like AdFree.
Have you tried using adb to push the hosts file (in recovery) or root explorer? No need to S-OFF.
I think a soft will easy to use for everyone, don't need experiment in adb, root or s-off.
Anyone developer can make it easy?
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I think the problem is that you didn't mounted the system partition. Try ES FileExplorer, it can work as root and can mount partitions
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Hi,I am vietnamese too,if you can't root your phone you can follow the full instruction on tinhte.vn forum.
I whipped this up for you.
It doesn't look great but it does the job. Put the 'hosts' file on your sdcard (not in any folder) that you want to move and rename it 'hosts.txt'. Then run the app and press the button. You'll probably need to reboot afterwards.
Enjoy.
This doesn't back up the hosts file on your phone so you may want to do that manually.
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Thank you so much.
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I whipped this up for you.
It doesn't look great but it does the job. Put the 'hosts' file on your sdcard (not in any folder) that you want to move and rename it 'hosts.txt'. Then run the app and press the button. You'll probably need to reboot afterwards.
Enjoy.
This doesn't back up the hosts file on your phone so you may want to do that manually.
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Dear Meltus,
Firstly, I thank you very much to write this apk for me. You're so kind.
But it's maybe something wrong!
I install your apk, put the hosts.txt in SDCard (in the root, not in any folder).
Then run the app and press the button, reboot afterwards.
I used Astro to view the hosts file. But this file is error. It has 0 byte and can be read.
Please fix it. Thank you so much, again.
P/S: Maybe you make an options to chose folder of hosts file.
Further, you can develop this apk to change any file of system by chose the source and destiny paths.
I have a confusion regarding android. this is very general query.
In Computer, first we have to have exe file to install anything and then we click on it to install the app on windows computer generally. when the app is installed on computer, we have installed app files in program files and then a dump (that is exe file) which we keep to install this app on any other computer.
Now, please let me know if this is applicable in android phones also?
I know that in android, there is .apk file instead of .exe file in computer. I observed that after installation apk file disappears. Is this true?
Not sure if in understood well, did you mean if instal anything from SD card? If you are asking that the answer is yes, i install everything from SD card and the apk file stay there after installation.
What if u install any app from Market?
vijay.gupta said:
I have a confusion regarding android. this is very general query.
In Computer, first we have to have exe file to install anything and then we click on it to install the app on windows computer generally. when the app is installed on computer, we have installed app files in program files and then a dump (that is exe file) which we keep to install this app on any other computer.
Now, please let me know if this is applicable in android phones also?
I know that in android, there is .apk file instead of .exe file in computer. I observed that after installation apk file disappears. Is this true?
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Even in Android you can see the .apk files under /system/app. Also applications installed by you can be backed up & later restored using software available on market.
"Normally" these apks dissapear when you download from.market, but all of.your apks are stored in your phone, the thing is that you have to hav permission to do that, when you download an apk (the single file) and store it in sd card to install it, the apk is copied to the phone.
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But if u back up ur apps as .apk and install them later using softwares (with exception of Titanium backup) u will loose connection between the app and android market (that means no updates)
the best option is to backup ur apps with titanium backup along with user data and restore it using the same
how do i access /system/app? Do I need to root the phone in order to see this directory?
vijay.gupta said:
how do i access /system/app? Do I need to root the phone in order to see this directory?
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Download Terminal emulator from market & you are ready to go to /system/app !!!!
You can also download Root Explorer and so the same
Thank all. Can you please confirm what I am writing below:
Suppose I buy a android phone (with android 2.1 so you cannot install apps from SD card) in which I installed an application named XYZ from Market. Now, there is a apk file for XYZ which gets downloaded somewhere in the phone memory and then it gets installed automatically.
Now, I just want to know, where does this apk file go after XYZ is installed? Does it stay in phone memory with the installed files of XYZ.
If it goes to phone memory and not deleted from there, then phone memory
if u install .apk from market it will be stored and installed in /data/app in phone memory. i do not think it is stored twice in the phone.
Do u mean to say that only the installed file gets stored and. apk. File got deleted automatically after getting installed?
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Do u mean to say that only the installed file gets stored and. apk. File got deleted automatically after getting installed?
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Remember that an .apk file its a variant of the .jar files when you install an .apk this file gets stored inside the phone along with its necesary dependencies when the app starts, the os reads this file line by line while the app is executed.
In short terms the .apk file its the application itself that need a proper interpreter to run, in that way when you install and app to the phone, it copies this file and links the dependencies, so the .apks downloaded from makret are stored directly inside the app folder, in that way you can extract them from this folder and use it in another android phone.
You are relying too much on the windows ways of things. You see an exe file installion in windows essentially unpacking everything (other things aside) where it is needed and you then often see a bunch of files and folders. This is not what happens in android, the apk file is conserved when installed and can be found in the root part of your phone. Its data/app/ if installed on your phone, mnt/asec. (or something like asec) if installed on your sd card. You can copy that file to your sd card or send it to another device and install it again. I did just that today (I sent an apk to a friend)
anyway i dont think its same if i delete .apk + odex files from /data/app as i uninstall it with titanium backup. i think TB will be delete also data stored by the app inside the database (its the place where the apps are saving data, settings, etc...)
In case you are installing from Android Market:
1. When you are at market, it doesn't ask you to download. You will only get option either to install or update the existing app.
2. If you are a normal user, after installing, you won't be able to see the apk file anywhere on your memory card. But if you are a root user or with the help of special file managers and specific apps like root explorer and terminal emulators, you can locate those spk files in the phone's hidden memory.
3. If you are a root user, or with the help above mentioned type of apps, you can locate the apk files in phone memory and copy it on your memory card and distribute it to your wish.
4. If you are worried for paid apps and losing your phone or apps because of resetting or any other reason then stop worrying. A record of your paid apps is stored in google servers. So, even if you reset your phone or lose your phone, once you log in to a your new android device with the same google account, it will automatically show your paid apps. You don't have to pay for it again. Just need to install it again. This is applicable only if you are paying for the app through android market and you are logging into your android device with the same google account you had before losing your apps.
In case of installing via your SD card:
1. apk files are just like java files (.jad or .jar). You can download it on your PC from various sources and transfer it to your SD card or any of your friends' via USB, bluetooth or any other way.
2. After transfering the apk file to your SD card, it doesn't get automatically installed. You have to click it or open it to install, just like how we double click the exe file in windows.
3. Whether installed or not installed, the apk file you transfer to your SD card will always remain there unless and untill you or someone else delete it or you format your memory card.
4. Once installed, a copy of the same apk file would also be there in your phone's hidden memory, which you can access using special apps.
If you worried about losing your apps, try searching for other apps which backups apk... you can do so at android market. Moreover, also search on the net about having root access on your android device.. it'll let you access files in your phone's memory.
I hope, this would solve down all your queries !!!
Thanks next2 devil. Very gud explanation. It cleared almost all confusions. I have some more confusions that i want to clear out.
1) just a general query that just like exe file got unpacked after double clicking on it and install its files in c: genrally, does the same happen with apk, jad and jar files?
2) just want to clear out that phone memory which is hidden for normal users contains the copy of only those apk files that are currently installed on the phone and not the ones that are uninstalled or not installed at all?
vijay.gupta said:
Thanks next2 devil. Very gud explanation. It cleared almost all confusions. I have some more confusions that i want to clear out.
1) just a general query that just like exe file got unpacked after double clicking on it and install its files in c: genrally, does the same happen with apk, jad and jar files?
2) just want to clear out that phone memory which is hidden for normal users contains the copy of only those apk files that are currently installed on the phone and not the ones that are uninstalled or not installed at all?
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1. I am not sure about JAD and JAR files, but yes, APK files unpack itself to get installed. You can come to know the exact size/space that would be taken by the app directly from the android market. Details would be given there.
2. Yes, the phone memory would be having copy of files only which is installed. There would be no copy of any apk file which in not installed.
Thanks next2devil. Your response give rise to one more query.
if i compare unpacking logic from windows, there is no need for original exe file to remain in existence after it has been installed and user can delete exe file after installing it. Deleting exe file has no negative impact on the working of installed app. Please let me know if this is also the case with apk files? If yes, then what is the need of apk file to remain in phone memory after it has been installed?
vijay.gupta said:
Thanks next2devil. Your response give rise to one more query.
if i compare unpacking logic from windows, there is no need for original exe file to remain in existence after it has been installed and user can delete exe file after installing it. Deleting exe file has no negative impact on the working of installed app. Please let me know if this is also the case with apk files? If yes, then what is the need of apk file to remain in phone memory after it has been installed?
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Short and simple. Deleting the apk file from /data/app removes the app.
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I'm fairly new to android, and rooting and custom roms and all that i have an a500 with the minimalistic 3.2 rom, and but this has happened with any other custom roms or stock firmwares aswell (all rooted)..
Anyway, ill use this as an example, one time, and I was trying to install the samsung Ebook.apk and it required a separate sytem app, and everyone said move this other app (my files. Apk.) to system / apps and change permissions, I've tried with several file managers and it always says that it is read only,
This happens when trying to move files to other system folders... Isn't rooting supposed to give me access to these and let me edit files or put files there ect
I'm probably just stupid, but but any help would be appreciated
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I'm fairly new to android, and rooting and custom roms and all that i have an a500 with the minimalistic 3.2 rom, and but this has happened with any other custom roms or stock firmwares aswell (all rooted)..
Anyway, ill use this as an example, one time, and I was trying to install the samsung Ebook.apk and it required a separate sytem app, and everyone said move this other app (my files. Apk.) to system / apps and change permissions, I've tried with several file managers and it always says that it is read only,
This happens when trying to move files to other system folders... Isn't rooting supposed to give me access to these and let me edit files or put files there ect
I'm probably just stupid, but but any help would be appreciated
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Can you just push the files with ADB and edit the permissions?
I could not get ES File Explorer to gain root permissions with the Minimalist Rom, but the ADB method worked for me (installing Polaris Office).
I've heard a lot about adb but have never used it.. Ill look it up and see if I can set it up... thanks
use root explorer. Great file manager and gives youba button to mount the filesystem r/w
ddpruel said:
I'm fairly new to android, and rooting and custom roms and all that i have an a500 with the minimalistic 3.2 rom, and but this has happened with any other custom roms or stock firmwares aswell (all rooted)..
Anyway, ill use this as an example, one time, and I was trying to install the samsung Ebook.apk and it required a separate sytem app, and everyone said move this other app (my files. Apk.) to system / apps and change permissions, I've tried with several file managers and it always says that it is read only,
This happens when trying to move files to other system folders... Isn't rooting supposed to give me access to these and let me edit files or put files there ect
I'm probably just stupid, but but any help would be appreciated
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You need to remount the relevant folders as read/write. Most file explorers can do it. Most people swear by Root Explorer, but that's pay software. I use ES File Manager, which is free.
Thanks a lot but but how do i change permissions with root explorer? I (i am supposed i change them to 644)
ddpruel said:
Thanks a lot but but how do i change permissions with root explorer? I (i am supposed i change them to 644)
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I could not get ES File Explorer to gain permissions with this rom.
So my dad accidentally deleted the folders and files in file manager. His tablet works fine, he uses it to browse so doesn't download anything, but I want the files there for peace of mind.
How can I get all the original files back? Dont really want to reset the tablet as it has got his apps and so on which I don't want reinstall. If that's the only option though then I will reset it.
I do have the same tablet myself so if that helps then please let me know.
So he uninstalled the file manager? Or deleted something else?
If it's on yours, you can copy and transfer with no issue.
If he just uninstalled the filemanager or deleted an aspect somehow, copy over directly, or install a different file browser like ES.
File manager is still there but my dad must have gone on it and pressed delete, select all, and delete again. So there are no files in file manager, or any folders, apart from maybe 1 or 2.
It shouldn't affect anything then, but if you like just go into your file manager and copy all the folders, then you can put them in anther folder, which you copy and empty in his filemanager directory. Its simple cut and paste really