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Want to switch to epic

Cons and pros
Evo
pros
LCD I could go either way on
Big screen
Great community support
Sense
Cons
Hard to type
LCD
No keyboard
Epic
Pros
Super amoled
Keyboard
just the right size
Superior processor
Battery life
Cons
Bad com support
People say it feels cheaper
Touch wiz
Obviously I'm leaning towards epic but can anyone just tell me how much better it is? O and does epic have cm and snap?
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i just switched from evo to epic friday. i like the epic, the colors are better, the keyboard is awesome. youll notice the screen size diff at first but then itsfine. no CM or snap yet, just really like 3 roms out right now. but itll get better. in my opinion its ab tter switch, but ive always needed the keyboard. if youre fine without a keyboard then its not that great of a diff.

4wesome said:
i just switched from evo to epic friday. i like the epic, the colors are better, the keyboard is awesome. youll notice the screen size diff at first but then itsfine. no CM or snap yet, just really like 3 roms out right now. but itll get better. in my opinion its ab tter switch, but ive always needed the keyboard. if youre fine without a keyboard then its not that great of a diff.
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Yeah I figured. I really hope it gets better
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Oh nd hows the battery life? Thats my main concern
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The community support is not bad...we actually have quite a bit..its just the device has not been out as long and a lot of people are not used to HTC, most of the development now is being done by people who did development on other Samsung devices such as the Moment. The developers who came from HTC are doing things but not as quickly as they are not used to it.
That said, I usually used custom roms before but for my Epic I'm pretty happy with Stock and Root for backup and Tethering.
What do you mean by cm and snap? if cm is Cyanogen then its coming...
The battery life is OK, better if you configure Juice Defender or use energy saving Kernal and maybe kill mediahub..but stock vs stock Epic has a bit better battery then Evo

Yeah I meant cyanogen and what bout set CPU
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Crossrocker said:
Yeah I meant cyanogen and what bout set CPU
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pretty sure theres a kernal thatssets it to overclock when needed. better batter life with that kernal too. ive only tried one so far so cant say bout the other one(s)

i like my epic a lot, i havent gotten a chance to experience the EVO in full yet, but i know from having the mts that htc makes some of the best quality phones. Samsung did ok on this one, as far as physical build and keyboard ill give it a 7/10. 4 inch S-AMOLED screen is crazy.. but i cant wait til sprint/htc does a similar to the epic, because that will be truly epic

I was deciding between Evo and Epic too before finally getting an Epic. To me software is something that can be improved upon but hardware is what it is and cannot be changed. Samsung's support is not on par with HTC but they've pushed 2 updates out already in the last month, so maybe there's hope. And with simple tweaks I've got GPS working nicely as well as fairly good battery life (airplan mode and disable drm). So far I've been happy with the phone and I think it'll be amazing once Froyo is out.

I'm staying with evo.. epics got problems
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I took my evo back to the store a few weeks ago and traded for an epic. I was not impressed with the hardware of the evo. I would much rather have the cpu and gpu of the epic for future games etc..
Run the ocean waves live wallpaper on the evo and see for yourself, it starts chugging and epic runs it flawless...

Crossrocker said:
I'm staying with evo.. epics got problems
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Evo has problems too..it boils down to which problems you prefer Evo problems or Epic problems (no pun intended lol)
For me personally I have no problems yet on my Epic :/

gTen said:
Evo has problems too..it boils down to which problems you prefer Evo problems or Epic problems (no pun intended lol)
For me personally I have no problems yet on my Epic :/
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What problems does the EVO have these days?
From my understanding, the light leakage has been address, 30 fps caps been lifted and wifi fixed. Is there anything else?

Crossrocker said:
I'm staying with evo.. epics got problems
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iv been running my epic problem free for over a month

crabjoe said:
What problems does the EVO have these days?
From my understanding, the light leakage has been address, 30 fps caps been lifted and wifi fixed. Is there anything else?
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Video capture is still horrible, audio doesn't sync with video at times, taking pictures with low light has not improved. If the EVO fixed that i'd still be on it. Camera sucks on the EVO.

Well, if you're still wavering... the Epic's keyboard looks nice, but IMHO it was compromised into uselessness thanks to the flat keys with almost no space in between. The problem is that I can't use my thumbs to effortlessly type on it, because I keep hitting two or more keys. Had they compromised its appearance a bit by using keys that were 2/3 as wide and long (with the same center pitch), or significantly raised the keycap centers, it would be fine. Unfortunately, they didn't, so it's not. By the same token, holding it with my left hand and using my right index finger gets tiring quickly, and the phone wobbles due to the screen's weight if I try to type on the keyboard while the phone is laying on a table.
The keyboard design of the Epic just has me shaking my head wondering whether they even bothered to test its usability with real people before committing to the design, or whether they told their designers, "make it look pretty in pictures, and keep the profile low" and decided that actual usability didn't matter.
Sigh. I can't wait for 3D printers to become cheap enough to enable things like aftermarket retrofit parts for things like the Epic that come from the factory "not quite right" by design, but could probably be hacked into comfy usability if there were a cost-effective way to make custom plastic parts in small quantities. Then someone could just make a kit that let you disassemble the lower half of a stock Epic, then reassemble the circuit board in a new bottom enclosure that made the keyboard nicer to use, and maybe added a slide-latch to lock the slider closed for added solidity when it's stowed...

I owned an evo up till the epic came out. I switched because I worked on the processor inside the epic and wanted to own something that I helped to make.
I had a lot of reservations about switching. Chief among them was the support that Samsung would give the phone. I read the horror stories about the moment, but decided to jump in.
Well two updates in I'm gonna go ahead and say that the epic is already at a point where I am as happy with it as I was with my evo. It took 5 months to get my evo to a point where the battery life was acceptable and the phone was running smooth. As of yesterday, I've resolved my battery issues (clean install of the latest update and no restoration of original settings). All this while running 2.1. I'm giddy with excitement over what 2.2 could bring.
In my opinion, people that list touchwiz as a negative simply havent experienced it for themselves. I never liked HTC sense and always preferred ASOP. That said, once you replace the touchwiz launcher (which really is pretty crappy), you're left with things that touchwiz, in my opinion, does better than sense. For one, there are the shortcuts that allow you to toggle wifi, 4g, gps and bluetooth in the dropdown notification menu. This allows you to toggle these settings in any app without exiting to the home screen. Then theres the brightness slider on the notification bar that I use more times than I can count. When you get down to it, the only thing sense has going for it are the widgets. And the widgets can all be had, at a small cost, on the epic 4g via launcherpro plus and beautiful widgets.
The screen is amazing, the keyboard is more useful than I thought it would be. As is the hardware camera button. The only glaring defects are the GPS and the capacitive buttons. Now dont get me wrong, these two are pretty serious and potentially dealbreaking problems. But I have faith that the GPS can be fixed. And as far as the capacitive buttons go, I'm slowly getting used to them...
Thats my take, for what its worth. Good luck w/ your decision.

[Q] Rooted Evo vs Rooted Epic

I searched through the forums quite a bit and even good but have yet to find anything specific. I'm not sure which phone to get since I can not find a rooted comparison.
Please read about my HTC Hero and my original thoughts here:
jpklink.blogspot.com
Main Points:
Weight and size are not an issue: Glass screen is a +
Price is not an issue.
Standard Mini USB charging is a +
Battery life is not so important.
Texting Speed is 100% most important item - my hero can not keep up with my fingers and it is beyond frustrating.
I know this is the Epic forum so I can't say I don't expect you to be bias, but it would be nice to hear anything at all. Just wanted to hear how the phones compare as BOTH rooted devices with all speed benefits.

As of now the epic has an issue where it will miss keys on the physical keyboard every so often. Txlexting speed is also very important to me (I have an epic) and I have been dissappinted with the physical keyboard to say the least. That being said, the evo does not even have a physical keyboard and you could use any keyboard from the evo on the epic. The app "Smart keyboard" is the best of all that I have tried. The screen on the epic is also substantially better than the evo. The evo gets updates before the epic because it is an htc phone so that is always something to consider. Good luck.
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If you fancy yourself with modding then an Evo is a clear cut winner. There are much more Roms, Mods, and source codes are always released first for HTC phones. Samsung has a history of not really supporting their devices. Epic is no exception. And if you look at the news today in the Android world, signs point to Samsung focusing on supporting Windows 7 phones in 2011 while Android will slowly move to the back seat. http: //phandroid.com/2010/11/22/samsung-focusing-more-on-windows-7-in-2011-but-will-it-matter/

imwillzillla said:
And if you look at the news today in the Android world, signs point to Samsung focusing on supporting Windows 7 phones in 2011 while Android will slowly move to the back seat. http: //phandroid.com/2010/11/22/samsung-focusing-more-on-windows-7-in-2011-but-will-it-matter/
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Damn
Samusung needs to give up on smartphones because they have no clue what their doing.
They have great screens & top notch processor but missing the most important factors. QC & SUPPORT!!!

sling said:
Damn
Samusung needs to give up on smartphones because they have no clue what their doing.
They have great screens & top notch processor but missing the most important factors. QC & SUPPORT!!!
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Yeah you can tell how tarded they are by them having the hottest phone on the planet and neglecting it.

MLHickey:
Actually, I completely forgot to mention, I don't know that I would use the keyboard much anyway. I guess if it was there, I may start to use it, but I like the touch screen keyboard, I'm quite fast with them. In fact I still use T9 a LOT, especially while I'm driving. So as far as the keyboard goes, not a huge pro/con for me. When I mention texting speeds, I just want the phone to be able to keep up with me. My experience with the HTC hero is bad in the sense that I'll be waiting every few words for the phone to catch up so I can check for errors before continuing to type.
imwillzillla:
Those are some really good points! So if I root the Evo with a custom rom, the speeds will be comparable to a rooted epic? And how come HTC stuff comes out first/sooner? Just because the phone has been out longer?
Windows 7... ew. Those are definitely some good points. Do HTC updates and that matter much if I'm installing a custom ROM?
Thanks guys.
Note: I heard the Evo now comes stocked with something that prevents it from being rooted and still today they've yet to break it. Any truth to this?

YoshioDuo said:
MLHickey:
Note: I heard the Evo now comes stocked with something that prevents it from being rooted and still today they've yet to break it. Any truth to this?
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My Evo is a week old and UnrEVOked worked fine for me.

scriz said:
My Evo is a week old and UnrEVOked worked fine for me.
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Great news. I've been leaning towards the evo... looks like it's decided. Thanks again MLHickey.
Last note is, should I wait for early 2011 in case HTC releases something crazy. I mean, I can live on my HTC hero a few more months if I need to.

Just thought as an epic owner Im obligated to reply. The choice is a hard one, but the epic is faster, a better screen (even if slightly smaller) and since its basically stock android doesnt need roms like cynagen to be super fast and its only slightly thicker then the evo. You also get better battery life on the epic.
As for the keyboard, its really not that bad, and a keyboard is better then nothing at times when touch typing just isnt working out as planned.
I had the same hard decesion and luckily when I was visiting home a few weeks ago I got to play with my parents evo. Don't let the benchmarks fool you, the epic is much faster, plus that screen, you get size shock from the evo, but color and contrast shock from the epic. Plus you can install htcs awesome on screen keyboard on the epic. Its the best of all worlds in my book. The evo will have faster updates though, but really.. updates are almost superficial because by time android 2.2 is unsupported should they stop there you will likely be getting a new phone. Gps might or might not work better on the evo, some epics are fine, others aren't.
Just my 2 cents.
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TheDub said:
Just thought as an epic owner Im obligated to reply. The choice is a hard one, but the epic is faster, a better screen (even if slightly smaller) and since its basically stock android doesnt need roms like cynagen to be super fast and its only slightly thicker then the evo. You also get better battery life on the epic.
As for the keyboard, its really not that bad, and a keyboard is better then nothing at times when touch typing just isnt working out as planned.
I had the same hard decesion and luckily when I was visiting home a few weeks ago I got to play with my parents evo. Don't let the benchmarks fool you, the epic is much faster, plus that screen, you get size shock from the evo, but color and contrast shock from the epic. Plus you can install htcs awesome on screen keyboard on the epic. Its the best of all worlds in my book. The evo will have faster updates though, but really.. updates are almost superficial because by time android 2.2 is unsupported should they stop there you will likely be getting a new phone. Gps might or might not work better on the evo, some epics are fine, others aren't.
Just my 2 cents.
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But what about Epic's ugly azz cool color temperature?! Whites look grey on it, screen has blue tint... sorry, photographer coming out in me, but Evo's colors are much more accurate.

quote: "especially while I'm driving. " i dont care what phone you have, this is dangerous and very stupid. please refrain from texting while driving.

TheDub said:
Just thought as an epic owner Im obligated to reply. The choice is a hard one, but the epic is faster, a better screen (even if slightly smaller) and since its basically stock android doesnt need roms like cynagen to be super fast and its only slightly thicker then the evo. You also get better battery life on the epic.
As for the keyboard, its really not that bad, and a keyboard is better then nothing at times when touch typing just isnt working out as planned.
I had the same hard decesion and luckily when I was visiting home a few weeks ago I got to play with my parents evo. Don't let the benchmarks fool you, the epic is much faster, plus that screen, you get size shock from the evo, but color and contrast shock from the epic. Plus you can install htcs awesome on screen keyboard on the epic. Its the best of all worlds in my book. The evo will have faster updates though, but really.. updates are almost superficial because by time android 2.2 is unsupported should they stop there you will likely be getting a new phone. Gps might or might not work better on the evo, some epics are fine, others aren't.
Just my 2 cents.
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Is your two cents from owning both? My battery lasts way longer than my girls epic
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BrianDigital said:
Is your two cents from owning both? My battery lasts way longer than my girls epic
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I'm not tryna sound biased but u gotta be kidding me.. maybe ur gf's usage is much higher.. honestly 4 of my friends have evo's and whenever we're chilling on either of our houses, they fight over the charger.. although my epic is rooted and has custom rom+kernel and their evo doesn't but even b4 i rooted mine i had much better battery life..

The keyboard on this thing is not great, but it beats having none. WPM will not be high with this keyboard, although accuracy is not bad. Still, coming from a Hero, I really like having a keyboard now.
The main gripe is Samsung's poor support, small ROM, and the gps on this thing.
If you text a lot, this should still be your choice as it is faster than virtual keyboards.
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BrianDigital said:
Is your two cents from owning both? My battery lasts way longer than my girls epic
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Lets be a smarta$$ about it.
Anyways.
No. I have asked about the Evo's battery life and I quite frequently hear it hardly makes it through the day from people who DO own them. I've had mine unplugged with moderate use and plenty of calls since 7am and its at 40% right now at 11PM. Now to be fair.. my Epic is rooted with the battery sucking processes from Sprint/Samsung cut out, the Evo's i've heard about are stock. If both were rooted you'd probably cut similar results.
They both have 1500MAH batteries, they will both be roughly the same if you cut the fat out of each I imagine.
As for the screen, yeah the colors are not as accurate, but you're not going to notice, they have a cooler look to them which bothers the heck out of graphics designers and the like heh heh but really.. it's still stunning in comparison to the evo, but thats just MY opinion.
You really need to go into the Sprint store and play with both as much as you can.... you really can't go wrong with either of them and their pro's and con's split pretty evenly.

1) for the keyboard issue..try disabling Swype and use the hardware kb.
2) Epic even with the custom roms we have is doing fairly well...I mean take all the custom roms on the EVO and the Epic and you'll notice there isn't too much difference...most of the advantages EVO had was gotten from the Nexus One which hopefully we will get from the Nexus S.
3) You can do a bunch with custom roms on the EVO to make it run smoother but It'll never run as smooth as the epic.
4) The colors can't be more accurate on the EVO because its only 64k colors..if anything Droid X has probably the most accurate colors...but since EVO is only 64k colors it won't be accurate...the Super AMOLED tends to be mroe blue because the blue dies out the fastest...over time it balances itself out...on my device though if I set it to 100% brightness its white as I lower the brightness it turns grayish..but thats what lowering brightness is suppose to do...
5) Yeah.. texting while driving is bad...
6) Battery life varies by your usage..overall though if you configure it best you can on both devices Epic will win.

TheDub said:
Lets be a smarta$$ about it.
Anyways.
No. I have asked about the Evo's battery life and I quite frequently hear it hardly makes it through the day from people who DO own them. I've had mine unplugged with moderate use and plenty of calls since 7am and its at 40% right now at 11PM. Now to be fair.. my Epic is rooted with the battery sucking processes from Sprint/Samsung cut out, the Evo's i've heard about are stock. If both were rooted you'd probably cut similar results.
They both have 1500MAH batteries, they will both be roughly the same if you cut the fat out of each I imagine.
As for the screen, yeah the colors are not as accurate, but you're not going to notice, they have a cooler look to them which bothers the heck out of graphics designers and the like heh heh but really.. it's still stunning in comparison to the evo, but thats just MY opinion.
You really need to go into the Sprint store and play with both as much as you can.... you really can't go wrong with either of them and their pro's and con's split pretty evenly.
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i had to read that twice, he wasnt talkin about you only having two cents... he was referring to owning both phones... just kinda seemed like u took that the wrong way...

Personally, I never got to actually play around with an evo but I will say these things about my epic:
The keyboard, though sometimes annoying, is a great bonus to have for those who text/email/im/fb/whatever a lot. And you can bring the htc keyboard over to the epic as well.
The battery life on custom roms/kernels seems to be better when compared to most evo scenarios (I don't have an evo so don't quote me)
The color temps can be fixed using voodoo color.
The phone DEFINITELY responds better to user input than the evo, hands down (probably due to the evo having so much bloat, and also due to the better built cortex processor)
Updates on the evo happen more quickly, this is very true. But our devs have done a great job fixing MOST of our major issues.
This is a big one that people seem to be failing to mention. The new froyo modems seem to FIX gps PERMANENTLY. I've been running wifi on my epic for days without a reboot and gps is on hot start (not using the cold start workaround) and every time I get a full lock within seconds (using gps status).
All in all, I love my epic and the way it runs thanks to our community, but if you want a more reliable manufacturer (and a community that isn't chock full of spoiled brats who's parents bought them the phone), go with the evo.
If you can deal with the slower updates and the forum nonsense, go with the epic.
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Lol!
I think more kids end up with an epic over an evo just because of the keyboard. Look son it has a keyboard so you can type fast! "OMG L33T AHH! SWEET!" lol..
I wonder how many kids actually are on these forums when I was 12 I wasn't looking for ways to hack my cell phone... then again when I was 12 I think that Motorola "flip" phone that looked like something outta star trek was the most popular one for being so "portable". lol

uhm no, thats why there are sidekicks.. i doubt u will c a kid with an epic or evo..

Thoughts after 30 Days

I just hit my 30 day mark on my Shift. I thought I would share my thoughts on the phone and encourage others to do the same.
I came from the Touch Pro and this is my first experience owning an Android phone. I am still stock and not rooted. The phone is running incredibly smooth. Battery life has been very good. I can easily go 15 hours with heavy usage on a single charge. I did buy a car charger, but haven't needed to use it even though I have used the music player and Pandora for over an hour sometimes.
While I didn't buy the phone for the keyboard, I have found I use it as my primary input method. The camera is decent, but won't win any awards. The camera needs to be absolutely still, or photos will come out blurry. Video is similar as fast moving objects will tend to blur?
All in all I am very happy with my purchase. This is the best phone I have ever owned. I have said this about my last 5 phones, but isn't that what technology is all about?

well at least ya didnt own a moment before this. that phone was just about enough to sour anyone on a phone. the only saving grace on it was rooting and android. otherwise it was a POS this phone absolutely rocks

I am coming from an HTC Aria that was rooted and a nightly build of CM7 on it. I have had my new Shift for for about a week now. I have it rooted and have all the bloatware removed. I love the phone so far, I can't wait to get some ROMs installed on it to see how it really performs.

Sure you don't want to return it for this thing?:
http://phandroid.com/2011/02/07/spr...a-dual-screen-android-ultimate-multi-tasking/
Looks stupid to me but *shrug* I've been wrong before
^ Shift Faced

I'll let you know when my new one arrives in the mail.
The slider on my current one is so insanely loose I had to get it replaced, and being on an employee plan they have to ship me a new phone and a mailer to return the old phone. Hopefully the slider won't be so loose on the new one--this one can rotate about 10 degrees when fully open and holding one side up....very annoying

This all sounds good being im available for a discount on a new phone. Coming from the Evo..fully rooted, it annoys me the processor can only go to 1.19Ghz stable on aosp. What turns me on about the Shift is that it can OC to 1.51Ghz so far. I may just give it a shot.
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tonyk__78 said:
This all sounds good being im available for a discount on a new phone. Coming from the Evo..fully rooted, it annoys me the processor can only go to 1.19Ghz stable on aosp. What turns me on about the Shift is that it can OC to 1.51Ghz so far. I may just give it a shot.
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Some are getting 1.8 =) Mine maxes at 1.6
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jesusice said:
Sure you don't want to return it for this thing?:
http://phandroid.com/2011/02/07/spr...a-dual-screen-android-ultimate-multi-tasking/
Looks stupid to me but *shrug* I've been wrong before
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Hmm, I wonder if an emulator for the Nintendo DS could be developed for something like that.

jesusice said:
Sure you don't want to return it for this thing?:
http://phandroid.com/2011/02/07/spr...a-dual-screen-android-ultimate-multi-tasking/
Looks stupid to me but *shrug* I've been wrong before
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I posted the same link in the epic forums. Also notice the last line in the article says "Image courtesy of Engadget. Not indicative of the Kyocera Echo's design." So the picture is just a render. Not the real thing.
Sent from my non-rooted, stock Epic.

I came from a Touch Pro as well. I absolutely love the Evo Shift. The size of the phone is perfect and the keyboard is great (two main reasons for getting this phone). The phone seems very fast compared to what I'm used to and the Android Market is great; I can't believe the number of free apps.

Loving mine so far. Also still on stock ROM. Dabbled with some temp rooting, but have yet to attempt the perm method. Might have to root soon as I'm running out of internal space =O. I still have 2 more days to consider returning it, but don't think I will. Didn't realize there were o/c'ing kernels already out. I'm curious if I can hit 1.8GHz =D

I upgraded all the way from a Centro. I was pretty good with that keyboard, so really wanted the hw keyboard again.
However, with Swype installed, I never use the keyboard! I've opened it a few times for some technical input, but other than that, it stays closed.
I hate the z hinge on the g2 and was happy to hear the shift was a slider. However, now I want the z-hinge! I feel like the shift slider is getting looser. Its no where near what some people report, but it definitely has some play in it when closed.
I am very happy with the purchase overall. I never would have thought I'd also be happy with a phone with the same screen size except no slider.

germancarsrock said:
I hate the z hinge on the g2 and was happy to hear the shift was a slider. However, now I want the z-hinge! I feel like the shift slider is getting looser. Its no where near what some people report, but it definitely has some play in it when closed.
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Did you remove the protective stickers on the keyboard and back of the phone? I have kept mine on and the phone is as solid as the day I bought mine.

ttown said:
Did you remove the protective stickers on the keyboard and back of the phone? I have kept mine on and the phone is as solid as the day I bought mine.
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yeah, I removed mine right away out of habit, and it's loose enough that I'm getting a new one (which I won't be removing the plastic if it stays on good). I was actually thinking of putting a piece of scotch tape on the back to help with it, but never got around to it before ordering a new one.

I am thinking the Zagg screen protector might work if cut to fit in those areas. It should provide enough resistance to keep the keyboard shut.

Epic 4g vs evo shift?

My upgrade comes through on March 1st.. I've looked into each of these phones with great detail. This is what I've come up with in a nutshell. And I want everyone's professional opinion as ill be using this phone for a year or two.. thx guys and gals..(is there a girl on xda yet? ;p)
Stock pros of shift: pocket friendly, higher quality exterior, possibly more support on xda, I heart HTC.
Stock pros of epic 4g: better battery life, amoled screen, front facing camera, video card for twice the gaming potential
Both are 99.00 on Amazon with upgrade eligibility (so is the evo, but I don't need a tablet just yet, 4" is quite enough for me) .. I use sprint im not switching its cheap.. I'd rather have a steak then slightly improved cell service. I have wifi at home anyways..
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I can feed you two different opinions. Stock or rooted/custom.
I, am one of the firm believers that a phone's true potentional is never stock. Therefor should not be judged on stock.
I will not speak about the epic 4g in terms I do not know, so there will be more opinions on the shift.
Everyday, I hear how small/slow the development is going on the epic.
The epic, without a doubt has a better GPU.
Development, will continue to be pushed on the shift for the next few years no matter what. Think about how long it took the epic to get 2.2, now there is gingerbread and honeycomb....The shift already has gingerbread. Every major release, will come to the shift. While the epic will either not recieve it at all(mixture of samsungs support and the devs dying down, no offense).
In real world performance, there is nothing the shift can't handle right now that's out there that the epic can.(In my opinion, nothing to back this up since I don't know everything that's out there).
The shift, can get fairly incredible battery life, it took me 27hours to hit 31%, using it quite a bit on 245-1.5ghz conservative on the 1.8ghz kernel.
It took rytesyde a lot longer to hit that low on the 1.5ghz kernel(undervolted farther). Point being, if you want to use your phone for a full day, it's fine. If you forget your charger for a weekend, your phone will make it if you don't use it much(Mine drained around 1% an hour when not in use, my overall average was 2.9%/hour on fairly heavy usage).
I know what you mean on the amoled screen, but I really haven't had much of a desire for it unless I was in the bright sun.
I would go with the shift because it has more development and support.....
Although, I would honestly go as far to say the epic has better hardware.
I would say more, but it's 6am and I'm getting sleepy.
edit: Oh, just looked at the froyo epic update. It seems that the update was buggy(surprise from samsung?). They're not very good at updating their devices. It really comes down to, what you want. No one here would discriminate if you went with the epic.

as a former samsung and moment owner. personally i will never own a samsung phone again. the shift just works out of the box. and the devs on the shift just keep making it better. all the deving on the moment couldnt fix all the problems it had. to me the epic isnt anything but a huge moment lol. and from i am reading sprint has already yanked the OTA update to froyo. imagine that lol

HTC > Samsung..that's all..no comparison
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The Keyboard Settled it for Me
I've spent a couple of days on the same question. I finally settled on the Shift.
I stopped by my local Sprint store to get each in my hands. The Epic's keyboard had awful tactile response. I handed it to my son to get his opinion and he handed it back shaking his head. He said he couldn't feel the keys, couldn't tell if they were depressed.
That clarified what I was thinking. The HTC model also felt superior, even w/ the funky keyboard slide. I can't put my finger on why.
The Shift keyboard was much better, even with only 4 rows. I'm coming from a Touch Pro. I'll have to cope w/ missing the 5th row.
It didn't help Epic's cause that I kept coming across threads (ie AndroidForum) about Epic dropping/adding keystrokes.
Epic clearly has a superior GPU. However I wouldn't take advantage of it; in my regular use.
Epic's 1GHz Hummingbird and EvoShift's 800MHz Snapdragon look like a pretty even match; despite the clock difference.
I'd wish for a larger screen on the Shift; but it isn't to be.
Of course I'd also wish for a Dual Core Processor - as long as I'm wishing.
Like the above poster, I don't give the stock ROM any weight because it isn't sticking around. I found a lot more development for the Epic than I would have thought - and less development for the Shift than I would have hoped. But the Shift is recently introduced. It likely needs some time for the chefs to work their magic.
I tried to find reasons to prefer the Epic. But holding actually holding an Epic and a Shift in my hands almost decided it - all by itself.
Looks like I'll be Shifting in a few days.
NV

Want an easy answer to your question? Go over to the epic general section of this forum and read about the latest fiasco and read the general section in the evo shift and compare what the people are talking about.
For example, the epic people finally got an official version of froyo, but to many people, it's worse than the last official version update.

herbthehammer said:
Want an easy answer to your question? Go over to the epic general section of this forum and read about the latest fiasco and read the general section in the evo shift and compare what the people are talking about.
For example, the epic people finally got an official version of froyo, but to many people, it's worse than the last official version update.
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yeah there are reports of it bricking their phones

The Epic 4G may look like a better phone, specs wise, but Samsung clearly has no idea what they are doing when it comes to software updates. The Froyo update they pushed a few days ago is another in a long line of disasters for them. It was also the last straw for me. I dumped my Epic and went with the Evo Shift. Best decision I ever made. Yeah, the screen is smaller and the processor is a bit slower but, trust me, the Shift is a much nicer experience.

xiaNaix said:
The Epic 4G may look like a better phone, specs wise, but Samsung clearly has no idea what they are doing when it comes to software updates. The Froyo update they pushed a few days ago is another in a long line of disasters for them. It was also the last straw for me. I dumped my Epic and went with the Evo Shift. Best decision I ever made. Yeah, the screen is smaller and the processor is a bit slower but, trust me, the Shift is a much nicer experience.
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Number wise the processor is slower but performance wise it can meet with the humming bird prossecor or beat it
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Where did u get the pro of the epic having a better battery than the shift? I highly doubt it as I very heavily use my phone and still get an easy 15-17 hrs of use out of it before it starts to get close to 20%
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DWake014 said:
Where did u get the pro of the epic having a better battery than the shift? I highly doubt it as I very heavily use my phone and still get an easy 15-17 hrs of use out of it before it starts to get close to 20%
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and i doubt the epic gets better battery life than the shift. i doubt it gets better battery life than the POS moment i had

The battery life on the Shift is definitely better than it was on my Epic.

foxsdaddy67 said:
and i doubt the epic gets better battery life than the shift. i doubt it gets better battery life than the POS moment i had
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I'm considering blowing up my old moment.
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Lol yeah a block of C4 and my moment makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside
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I got the battery info from phone arena but I'm sure they use advertised statistics rather then do there own testing... I figured on the shift myself.. honestly I went there and messed with each for like 15 mins.. shift felt better all around.. I posted this on the epic forum as well.. some there suggested waiting for next round of android phones before upgrading. What do you guys think? Is sprint coming out with something worthy of my patience this summer.. I've been using this hero for about 3 years.
sent from my hero aosp2.2 cause aospcm7 2.3 was not as fast or stable for me.

noskoviak said:
I got the battery info from phone arena but I'm sure they use advertised statistics rather then do there own testing... I figured on the shift myself.. honestly I went there and messed with each for like 15 mins.. shift felt better all around.. I posted this on the epic forum as well.. some there suggested waiting for next round of android phones before upgrading. What do you guys think? Is sprint coming out with something worthy of my patience this summer.. I've been using this hero for about 3 years.
sent from my hero aosp2.2 cause aospcm7 2.3 was not as fast or stable for me.
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ummm, 3 years? You sure about that?
Scent phrum mie fone!

EDIT: My bad 2 years and three months I have been using an android phone that was designed with 1.5 in mind. Started a T-Mobile plan for the mytouch. in between there I did try out webos and even rim again. Sorry westicle you were right for the most part I didn't mean to exaggerate... just feels like forever with all the newer better phones coming for less. When I can still buy this old trusty turd from sprint for more then a shift.
sent from my hero aosp2.2 cause aospcm7 2.3 was not as fast or stable for me.

The hero was released october 2009. That's less than 2 years ago.
Scent phrum mie fone!

noskoviak said:
I got the battery info from phone arena but I'm sure they use advertised statistics rather then do there own testing... I figured on the shift myself.. honestly I went there and messed with each for like 15 mins.. shift felt better all around.. I posted this on the epic forum as well.. some there suggested waiting for next round of android phones before upgrading. What do you guys think? Is sprint coming out with something worthy of my patience this summer.. I've been using this hero for about 3 years.
sent from my hero aosp2.2 cause aospcm7 2.3 was not as fast or stable for me.
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i'm still using my opening day touch pro, and hittin f5 on every mobile site trying to find out if i should wait or get something. it's brutal.

well i traded my epic for a shift days before the official froyo came out for the epic
i was a little weary giving up the 'more expensive hyped' device for the shift despite a generous cash supplement w/ the trade
but oh baby...now that i hear the epic froyo is failing i am happy to be off the samsung failboat
my shift came loaded with a 1.5ghz rom so i never tested stock htc
the battery life of the shift was underpar to the epic at first
but now that i am running bcnice kernel with mikshift i am easily surpassing the epic battery performance
i liked the shift more from the moment it was in my hand regardless of all other factors
and now its running faster/smoother/longer than the epic ever was
my biggest pet peeves of the shift:
1) no number row on the hardware keyboard...you have to double press the fn key
this is a huge pain in the ass as i enter numbers all day with lots of spaces in between...logging error codes on the machines i service...uhg...
i'm slowly migrating to the input panel but i hate input panels mostly
if i was an input panel fan i would have bought an evo...duh
but you cant have everything
2) the volume buttons are a little close to the center of the phone
had to remap the volume down to 'nothing' because i was always pressing it
all i really hope for in the future is that htc releases an android version of the old wm mogul...i loved the rocker switch/scroll...and no other phone has ever replaced that devices satisfaction with 13 hardware buttons in addition the hardware keyboard...and dedicated hardware wifi switch...please HTC wake up and smell success
HTC M3 - Android dual-core qwerty phone w/ rocker switch,5-row kb & endless buttons
yes please

I jumped ship, farewell my beloved G2.

Since HTC decided to not make physical keyboards anymore, I was very let down. I tried out there ONE series and was greatly disappointed. I always felt HTC was the leader in Andriod based phones, but I feel like Samsung is taking the lead. ( I know, it took me awhile to admit this to myself)
Anyhow, I took the leap to the Samsung Galaxy SIII and I am really enjoying it. I have been using swift key app, which I am typing like a maniac on it and spells everything perfectly.
Ever since removing the service from my G2, I have been using it for an alarm clock. HOLY COW how much the battery life is when there is no data or service! It has been 5 days and I am at currently 79 percent battery.
I used the keyboard today after a week of not using it and wow I do miss it. What are you guys waiting for next? Is anyone jumping ship as well? I feel like there won't be any top tier phones with a physical keyboard anymore.

I'm also getting s3 technically I can't upgrade till Sept but I'm gonna call to see if they allow early extension on contract. I still love my keyboard but I can manage to live without it since the new phone has a huge screen
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I would have bought an S III but the pentile is holding me back.

Pickx said:
I would have bought an S III but the pentile is holding me back.
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Fear not, I had a pentile Galaxy Note and it looked gorgeous. Plastic tacky build quality should be your main concern.
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Haha
Actually I am jumping on the ship! I have a G2 in the mail. I loved my G1 and the form factor of a trackpad, qwerty. I dont think I'd like the massive screen phones. So my plan is use the G2 until my dream phone (ie G3) comes out (if it does). Otherwise I did try the Galaxy Nexus and was quite impressed. Rumor has it that google has 4/5 new nexus phones planned for november, so I am crossing my fingers and toes one of them is a qwerty..

austriker27 said:
Haha
Actually I am jumping on the ship! I have a G2 in the mail. I loved my G1 and the form factor of a trackpad, qwerty. I dont think I'd like the massive screen phones. So my plan is use the G2 until my dream phone (ie G3) comes out (if it does). Otherwise I did try the Galaxy Nexus and was quite impressed. Rumor has it that google has 4/5 new nexus phones planned for november, so I am crossing my fingers and toes one of them is a qwerty..
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You are still on G1?....holy...I played with my G1 the other day, I can't believe how slow it is!

I had a Galaxy Note for 1 1/2 month and returnd to my Desire Z.
The Note hardware is great and the size of the display is fun to work with, but I missed my hw kb. I thought with a really big screen I dont need it, but its just not the same feeling...
Besides that, I dont like the storage management on Samsung phones.
And to my surprise, I do not need the dual core power.
The DZ ist really fast enough for all my needs
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jaytxvo said:
You are still on G1?....holy...I played with my G1 the other day, I can't believe how slow it is!
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Hey its a classic, still works fine as a phone or texting device, just not so much for multimedia .
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Thinking about doing the same before G2 resale values drop even more (they sell for like ~$130 tops right now).

jaytxvo said:
You are still on G1?....holy...I played with my G1 the other day, I can't believe how slow it is!
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One man's slow is another man's quick. haha
Atomix86 said:
Hey its a classic, still works fine as a phone or texting device, just not so much for multimedia .
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I didnt use it daily, more of a backup.
Now I have got the G2 (currently flashing andromadus ICS rom) and I am quite impressed. I also have the Blackberry 9900 which I love but its surprising how comparable I think the G2 is to it. Think I will be using until a dreamphone comes along fo sho!

austriker27 said:
Now I have got the G2 (currently flashing andromadus ICS rom) and I am quite impressed. I also have the Blackberry 9900 which I love but its surprising how comparable I think the G2 is to it. Think I will be using until a dreamphone comes along fo sho!
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I am still using the old Pyromod Mecha in mine. The battery life was so amazing with that ROM and still is. But it is kinda slow now, how does ICS perform on the G2? Is it nice and quick?

Pickx said:
I would have bought an S III but the pentile is holding me back.
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I've tried Samsung S3 the other day and the screen was not that bad. Although text did look jagged at the edges.
Still doesn't beat One X in colour and angles.

Wow...my g2 just want out and was debating on the s3 or one s.
Im worried that the s3 overall size is too big to put in your pockets.
How do you like yoursonthe size?
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It fits very comfortably in your hand. The screen is very nice, as well.
I don't notice it feel much different than my Hercules in my pocket. Its thin and light.
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I switched to the HTC raider/vivid because; 1 - My Desire Z decided it was going to stop accepting sd cards put into the slot (and yes I tried different sd cards and even replaced the sd card holder). 2 - I needed a large screen phone for my work because I work with a lot of excel spreadsheets.
Needless to say, after half a day and my battery already dead, I longed for my good old "Zed" back. I found someone who had smashed their screen and rebuilt the phone from two defective phones. I'm sorry baby, I won't leave you again! (Till a better solution comes along)
I'm sticking with my Desire Z from here on out until I find a better phone. Something with a keyboard or a better keyboard solution. Also it's got to have expandable memory and a good battery life.

Unfortunately my Z took a tumble down the stairs last night so I went and found an S3 on the local online classifieds. Not sure I like the no keyboard part of it all but I supposed I'll learn to adjust. So long Zed I'll miss you and the great people in these forums.
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jaytxvo said:
I am still using the old Pyromod Mecha in mine. The battery life was so amazing with that ROM and still is. But it is kinda slow now, how does ICS perform on the G2? Is it nice and quick?
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Its so quick. I can't imagine it being any quicker. Very impressive even rendering google maps went quick. I test drove the gnex a few weeks ago and think my g2 is of comparable speed (I know call me crazy but..)
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Did HTC really say they're not making any phones with physical keyboards? This is going to really suck for future phone choices.

Dukenukemx said:
Did HTC really say they're not making any phones with physical keyboards? This is going to really suck for future phone choices.
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Yes they did. That's why i am staying on the g2 until a dream Android comes out
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