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Just what you always wanted - 2400 page processor manual!

I'm probably the only person on this planet that would ever download a 20.5-meg, 2426-page document titled "S5PC110 RISC Microprocessor User's Manual", but if there are other hardware freaks out there interested, here you go:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=repository&id=644&c=samsung_s5pc110_microprocessor_user_manual_1.00
As you may or may not know, the S5PC110, better known as Hummingbird, is the SoC (System on a Chip) that is the brain of your Epic. Now, when you have those moments when you really just gotta know the memory buffer size for your H.264 encoder or are dying to pore over a block diagram of your SGX540 GPU architecture, you can!
( Note: It does get a little bit dry at parts. Unless you're an ARM engineer, I suppose. )

Why arent you working on porting CM6 or gingerbread via CM7?? lol

now we can overclock the gpu
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cbusillo said:
Why arent you working on porting CM6 or gingerbread via CM7?? lol
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Hah, because I know exactly squat about Android development. Hardware is more my thing, though if I find some spare time to play around with the Android SDK maybe that can change.
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This actually is really exciting news. RISC architectures in general, especially the ARM instruction set is great and honestly it would so the works a lot of good kicking the chains of x86
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Interesting - the complete technical design of the Hummingbird chips.
After reading your blog as to how Hummingbird got its extra performance, I still wonder at times - did we make the right choice in getting this phone the Epic 4G (I bought one for $300 off contract and imported it to Canada) knowing that there are going to be ARM Cortex A9 CPUs coming around in just a couple of months? We know that in the real world, Hummingbird is more powerful than Snapdragon and the OMAP 3600 series, while benchmark scores tend to not reflect real world performance.
Performance-wise: It's know that the out of order A9 parts are at least 30% faster clock for clock in real world performance. There will be dual and maybe quad core implementations. What's really up in the air is the graphics performance of the A9 parts. There's now the Power VR SGX 545, the Mali 400, and the Tegra 2.
Edit: There is also the successor, the Mali T-604. I don't expect to see this in a phone in the near future. Nor do I expect the Tegra 3. Maybe close to this time next year though.

sauron0101 said:
Interesting - the complete technical design of the Hummingbird chips.
After reading your blog as to how Hummingbird got its extra performance, I still wonder at times - did we make the right choice in getting this phone the Epic 4G (I bought one for $300 off contract and imported it to Canada) knowing that there are going to be ARM Cortex A9 CPUs coming around in just a couple of months? We know that in the real world, Hummingbird is more powerful than Snapdragon and the OMAP 3600 series, while benchmark scores tend to not reflect real world performance.
Performance-wise: It's know that the out of order A9 parts are at least 30% faster clock for clock in real world performance. There will be dual and maybe quad core implementations. What's really up in the air is the graphics performance of the A9 parts. There's now the Power VR SGX 545, the Mali 400, and the Tegra 2.
Edit: There is also the successor, the Mali T-604. I don't expect to see this in a phone in the near future. Nor do I expect the Tegra 3. Maybe close to this time next year though.
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Your always going to be playing catchup..I personally think the Epic has great hardware for the time...I mean on Samsung's roadmap for 2012/13 is their Aquila processor which is a quad-core 1.2ghz..its going to be endless catchup..every year there will be something that completely over shallows the rest..

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Your always going to be playing catchup..I personally think the Epic has great hardware for the time...I mean on Samsung's roadmap for 2012/13 is their Aquila processor which is a quad-core 1.2ghz..its going to be endless catchup..every year there will be something that completely over shallows the rest..
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No, but I mean, if you buy the latest technology when its released, you'll be set for quite some time.
For example, if you were to buy the one of the first Tegra 2 phones, its unlikely that anything is going to be beating that significantly until at least 2012 when the quad core parts begin to emerge.
It takes a year or so from the time that a CPU is announced to the time that it gets deployed in a handset. For example, the Snapdragon was announced in late 2008 and the first phones (HD2) were about a year later. IF you buy an A9 dual core part early on, you should be set for some time.

Well, I got the Epic knowing Tegra 2 was coming in a few months with next-gen performance. I was badly in need of a new phone and the Epic, while not a Cortex A9, is no slouch.
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sauron0101 said:
No, but I mean, if you buy the latest technology when its released, you'll be set for quite some time.
For example, if you were to buy the one of the first Tegra 2 phones, its unlikely that anything is going to be beating that significantly until at least 2012 when the quad core parts begin to emerge.
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Thats relative, in terms of GPU performance our Hummingbird doesn't do so badly..the GPU the TI chose to pair with the dual core OMAP is effectively a PowerVR SGX540..the Snapdragon that is rumored to be in the dual cores next summer is also on par with our GPU performance...so yes we will loose out to newer hardware..which is to be expected but I wouldn't consider it a slouch either...
It takes a year or so from the time that a CPU is announced to the time that it gets deployed in a handset. For example, the Snapdragon was announced in late 2008 and the first phones (HD2) were about a year later. IF you buy an A9 dual core part early on, you should be set for some time.
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The first phone was a TG01, that said I guarantee you that a year if not less from the first Tegra release there will be a better processor out...its bound to happen..
Edit: Some benchmarks for Tablets:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4067/nvidia-tegra-2-graphics-performance-update
Though I am not sure if its using both cores or not...also Tegra 2 I think buffers at 16bit..while Hummingbird buffers at 24bit..

gTen said:
Thats relative, in terms of GPU performance our Hummingbird doesn't do so badly..the GPU the TI chose to pair with the dual core OMAP is effectively a PowerVR SGX540..the Snapdragon that is rumored to be in the dual cores next summer is also on par with our GPU performance...so yes we will loose out to newer hardware..which is to be expected but I wouldn't consider it a slouch either...
The first phone was a TG01, that said I guarantee you that a year if not less from the first Tegra release there will be a better processor out...its bound to happen..
Edit: Some benchmarks for Tablets:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4067/nvidia-tegra-2-graphics-performance-update
Though I am not sure if its using both cores or not...also Tegra 2 I think buffers at 16bit..while Hummingbird buffers at 24bit..
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AFAIK, dual-core support is only fully supported by Honeycomb. But if you feel like buying into NVIDIA's explanation of Tegra 2 performance, check this out: http://www.nvidia.com/content/PDF/t...-Multi-core-CPUs-in-Mobile-Devices_Ver1.2.pdf

Electrofreak said:
AFAIK, dual-core support is only fully supported by Honeycomb. But if you feel like buying into NVIDIA's explanation of Tegra 2 performance, check this out: http://www.nvidia.com/content/PDF/t...-Multi-core-CPUs-in-Mobile-Devices_Ver1.2.pdf
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I see I actually read before that Gingerbread would allow for dual core support but I guess that was delayed to honeycomb...
either way this would mean even if a Tegra based phone comes out it wont be able to utilize both cored until at least mid next year.
I can't open pdfs right now but I read a whitepaper with performance of hummingbird and Tegra 2 compared both on single core and dual core..is that the same one?
One thing though is Nvidia and ATI are quite known for tweaking their gfx cards to perform well on benchmarks...I hope its not the same with their CPUs :/

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Edit: Some benchmarks for Tablets:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4067/nvidia-tegra-2-graphics-performance-update
Though I am not sure if its using both cores or not...also Tegra 2 I think buffers at 16bit..while Hummingbird buffers at 24bit..
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Here are some additional benchmarks comparing the Galaxy Tab to the Viewsonic G Tablet:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4062/samsung-galaxy-tab-the-anandtech-review/5
It's possible that the Tegra 2 isn't optimized yet. Not to mention, Honeycomb will be the release that makes the most of dual cores. However, there are lackluster performance gains in terms of graphics - most of it seems to be purely CPU gains in performance.
I'm not entirely sure that Neocore is representative of real world performance either. It's possible that it may have been optimized for some platforms. Furthermore, I would not be surprised if Neocore gave inflated scores for the Snapdragon and it's Adreno graphics platform. Of course, neither is Quadrant.
I think that real world games like Quake III based games are the way to go, although until we see more graphics demanding games, I suppose that there's little to test (we're expecting more games for Android next year).
Finally, we've gotten to a point for web browsing where its the data connection HSPA+, LTE, or WiMAX that will dictate how fast pages load. It's like upgrading the CPU for a PC. I currently run an overclocked q6600 - if I were to upgrade to say a Sandy Bridge when it comes out next year, I don't expect significant improvements in real world browsing performance.
Eventually, the smartphone market will face the same problem that the PC market does. Apart from us enthusiasts who enjoy benchmarking and overclocking, apart from high end gaming, and perhaps some specialized operations (like video encoding which I do a bit of), you really don't need the latest and greatest CPU or 6+ GB of RAM (which many new desktops come with). Same with high end GPUs. Storage follows the same dilemna. I imagine that as storage grows, I'll be storing FLAC music files instead of AAC, MP3, or OGG, and more video. I will also use my cell phone to replace my USB key drive. Otherwise, there's no need for bigger storage.

gTen said:
I see I actually read before that Gingerbread would allow for dual core support but I guess that was delayed to honeycomb...
either way this would mean even if a Tegra based phone comes out it wont be able to utilize both cored until at least mid next year.
I can't open pdfs right now but I read a whitepaper with performance of hummingbird and Tegra 2 compared both on single core and dual core..is that the same one?
One thing though is Nvidia and ATI are quite known for tweaking their gfx cards to perform well on benchmarks...I hope its not the same with their CPUs :/
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Gingerbread doesn't have any dual-core optimizations. It has some JIT improvements in addition to some other minor enhancements, but according to rumor, Honeycomb is where it's at, and it's why the major tablet manufacturers are holding off releasing their Tegra 2 tablets until it's released.
And yeah, that paper shows the performance of several different Cortex A8s (including Hummingbird) compared to Tegra 2, and then goes on to compare Tegra 2 single-core performance vs dual.

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Gingerbread doesn't have any dual-core optimizations. It has some JIT improvements in addition to some other minor enhancements, but according to rumor, Honeycomb is where it's at, and it's why the major tablet manufacturers are holding off releasing their Tegra 2 tablets until it's released.
And yeah, that paper shows the performance of several different Cortex A8s (including Hummingbird) compared to Tegra 2, and then goes on to compare Tegra 2 single-core performance vs dual.
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I looked at:
http://androidandme.com/2010/11/new...u-will-want-to-buy-a-dual-core-mobile-device/
since I can't access the pdf..does the whitepaper state what version they used to do their tests? for example if they used 2.1 on the sgs and honeycomb on their tests it wouldn't exactly be a fair comparison...do they also put in the actual FPS..not % wise? for example we are capped on the FPS for example...
Lastly, in the test does it say whether the Tegra 2 was dithering at 16bit or 24bit?

gTen said:
I looked at:
http://androidandme.com/2010/11/new...u-will-want-to-buy-a-dual-core-mobile-device/
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I'm one of Taylor's (unofficial) tech consultants, and I spoke with him regarding that article. Though, credit where it's due to Taylor, he's been digging stuff up recently that I don't have a clue about. We've talked about Honeycomb and dual-core tablets, and since Honeycomb will be the first release of Android to support tablets officially, and since Motorola seems to be holding back the release of its Tegra 2 tablet until Honeycomb (quickly checks AndroidAndMe to make sure I haven't said anything Taylor hasn't already said), and rumors say that Honeycomb will have dual-core support, it all makes sense.
But yes, the whitepaper is the one he used to base that article on.
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since I can't access the pdf..does the whitepaper state what version they used to do their tests? for example if they used 2.1 on the sgs and honeycomb on their tests it wouldn't exactly be a fair comparison...do they also put in the actual FPS..not % wise? for example we are capped on the FPS for example...
Lastly, in the test does it say whether the Tegra 2 was dithering at 16bit or 24bit?
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Android 2.2 was used in all of their tests according to the footnotes in the document. While I believe that Android 2.2 is capable of using both cores simultaneously, I don't believe it is capable of threading them separately. But that's just my theory. I'm just going off of what the Gingerbread documentation from Google says; and unfortunately there is no mention of improved multi-core processor support in Gingerbread.
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.3-highlights.html
As for FPS and the dithering... they don't really go there; the whitepaper is clearly focused on CPU performance, and so it features benchmark scores and timed results. I take it all with a pinch of salt anyhow; despite the graphs and such, it's still basically an NVIDIA advertisement.
That said, Taylor has been to one of their expos or whatever you call it, and he's convinced that the Tegra 2 GPU will perform several times better than the SGX 540 in the Galaxy S phones. I'm not so sure I'm convinced... I've seen comparable performance benchmarks come from the LG Tegra 2 phone, but Taylor claims it was an early build with and he's seen even better performance. Time will tell I suppose...
EDIT - As for not being able to access the .pdfs, what are you talking about?! XDA app / browser and Adobe Reader!

Sonys NGP is quad core!!! With android!!!!

Search it on google. It's even on the official ps site. It futures a quad core arm cortex a9 and quad core sgx543). Jawsdroping right there. Not only that but also a 5 inch oled screen ( better than super anoles) with a resolution as high as the iphones. And the best part, call of duty and other console high end titles. That's enough to make me sell my galaxy s, though I won't cuz I'm loyal. So what do u think about the Orion chip holding out against this beast.

OMG...thats amazing specs right there...wish it were put in a phone tho

now THIS is something worth buying as a phone!!!!!
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/13/xperia-play-final-hardware-hands-on/

The Xperia Play runs Android, not the NGP.
The NGP and the Play have very different specs. I wouldn't recommend selling your Galaxy S for an NGP, cause its not a phone (though it may have skype) .
Either way the NGP is drool worthy, can't wait to see what game devs can do with that hardware. Uncharted looks incredible on it, could be easily confused with its PS3 counterpart.

Smartphones will be on par with it by the end of this year or early next year. The Galaxy S2 already has a quad core GPU (Mali 400) and quad core CPUs (Tegra 3) are supposed to be coming at the end of this year.
Personally, my next upgrade would either be the SGS 2 or the Optimus 3D even though Android apps/games will probably not need that much power anytime soon.
Also, the NGP is not a phone (doesn't even run Android) so I don't know why you would sell your Galaxy S for it.

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Smartphones will be on par with it by the end of this year or early next year. The Galaxy S2 already has a quad core GPU (Mali 400) and quad core CPUs (Tegra 3) are supposed to be coming at the end of this year.
Personally, my next upgrade would either be the SGS 2 or the Optimus 3D even though Android apps/games will probably not need that much power anytime soon.
Also, the NGP is not a phone (doesn't even run Android) so I don't know why you would sell your Galaxy S for it.
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sgs2 with a quad ...........................................................................
sure about that?

Why is this in the Vibrant forum?

Tarzanman said:
Why is this in the Vibrant forum?
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I agree but it was only in the general forum so I think it doesn't matter...But that xperia play looks legit the only reason I would use it is for emulators!

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sgs2 with a quad ...........................................................................
sure about that?
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Yes, he is right, while the "CPU" is still just a dual-core, the "GPU" is a quad-core, so in theory the SGS 2 GPU should beat the tegra 2 once samsung gets out of its beta software for the SGS 2

[GPU] Tegra 2 vs Exynos

The Tegra2 version is confirmed now.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/03/confirmed-tegra-2-equipped-samsung-galaxy-s-ii-is-coming/
So what do you think - which version will be better and which will you get?
I know the benchmarks so far are speaking for Tegra 2 but is this true?

Tegra 2 version will have more compatibility with other tegra 2 devices, so it's possible to get new versions of CyanogenMod quickly. Exynos is unique though, makes you feel special knowing that you're using something different.

ryude said:
Tegra 2 version will have more compatibility with other tegra 2 devices, so it's possible to get new versions of CyanogenMod quickly. Exynos is unique though, makes you feel special knowing that you're using something different.
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Makes sense.. I just wonder if Tegra 2 will be performing better than Exynos.
I've already reordered a version with Exynos but I might cancel it...
So I guess we will also need a new dev forum for the new version as ROMs wouldn't be compatible? :/

How will the average consumer know the difference when buying the hand set, will out be clearly stated on the box?
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masumali said:
How will the average consumer know the differegnce when buying the hand set, will out be clearly stated on the box?
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Probably going to be region-dependant on whether you get the exynos or tegra 2. The biggest gripe I have with the tegra 2 is that it doesn't support h264 high-profile encodes. I'll probably get the exynos version if possible.

I read Exynos is for US and UK. The rest getting Tegra 2.
Not sure how true that is though?
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Everything I read points to USA and UK getting exynos with everywhere else getting tegra 2.

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Everything I read points to USA and UK getting exynos with everywhere else getting tegra 2.
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Is that just people guessing or is there any info from Samsung ?
GT-I9100, which is the Exynos model, is the version that is mentioned on Samsungs swedish site.
So that indicates the info may be wrong.

erahk64 said:
Is that just people guessing or is there any info from Samsung ?
GT-I9100, which is the Exynos model, is listed on Samsungs swedish site.
So that indicates the info may be wrong.
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I also preordered a I9100 in Switzerland.. so this means nothing.
I think Tegra 2 will come after all Exynos are shipped.

I dont really care what version i get. The only advantage is see is there will be more games optimized for tegra2. Thought i dont really care about that. I wont be playing those games anyway. I like casual games more, like angry birds or cut the ropes and similar games.
Btw preordered at amazon germany.

It seems that Samsung will be unable to provide enough Exynos chips for all. I also heard that they are planning to use the exynos for the new iphone 5.
Nobody knows witch one of the chipsets is the best. There are still no test results... Beacause there is no phone running exynos on the market. We have to wait to see witch one is better.

which is more power efficient? thats the biggest decider for me.

masumali said:
How will the average consumer know the difference when buying the hand set, will out be clearly stated on the box?
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One is called i9100 and the other i9103 .

Latest rumors say both versions might come under the same version name.

Will Tegra2 games run on Exynos?

http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/03/samsungs-exynos-4210-flexes-3d-gaming-muscle-at-gdc-2011-video/
Not sure whether that should make me feel impressed or not. The wait continues...

Another fun one. The peeps said they had it since August of last year. It is running a 1366x768 display, if that means anything for benchmarks.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/07/odroid-a-tablet-fits-1366-x-768-res-on-a-10-inch-screen-dual-co/

CowMix said:
which is more power efficient? thats the biggest decider for me.
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Androidandme released an article this morning on this.
One of the replies made by 'Magnet Man' read as follows:-
The Mali 400 MP wipes the floor with the GeforceULV found in the Tegra 250. It has a superior fill rate, superior sustained geometry, and tile-based rendering, meaning that it will generally perform better and require less bandwidth for scenes with frequent overdraw. Interestingly it does this at a lower clock rate!
The benchmarks displayed are weak indications of actual performance for T20 or Mali 400MP. They don’t take into account shader performance or HD targets.

From what I can see Exynos has 3 advantages over Tegra 2.
Fully pipelined NEON MPE (vs non-vector floating point unit in Tegra 2)
From early tests the ISP and vid encode/decode look better.
I think it has a dual-channel LPDDR2 memory controller too?
Tegra 2 advantages.
Flash GPU acceleration.
Honeycomb and game support.

sarge78 said:
From what I can see Exynos has 3 advantages over Tegra 2.
Fully pipelined NEON MPE (vs non-vector floating point unit in Tegra 2)
From early tests the ISP and vid encode/decode look better.
I think it has a dual-channel LPDDR2 memory controller too?
Tegra 2 advantages.
Flash GPU acceleration.
Honeycomb and game support.
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Do you have link to reliable source about the Flash GPU acceleration ?
I thought most GPU's could be used for video acceleration, is this a specific
accelerator for flash ?
Exynos could have a faster GPU if the info at the Samsung Barcelona press conference is true (5 times more powerful GPU than the previous application processor).
That will be revealed when SW/drivers are finished.
Exynos/Orion supports DDR2 and DDR3 RAM according to the blockdiagram in the link.
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/support/brochures/downloads/systemlsi/Orion.pdf

Samsung Galaxy S2 TEGRA

Will you be selling your SGS2 for this?
http://pocketnow.com/android/samsung-galaxy-s2-gt-i9103-with-tegra-2-at-fcc
If this has already been posted somewhere please remove or re-direct.

THUDUK said:
Will you be selling your SGS2 for this?
http://pocketnow.com/android/samsung-galaxy-s2-gt-i9103-with-tegra-2-at-fcc
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Nope
Exynos > Tegra, especially with CF 3D.

Why would i sell a Cortex A9 CPU equipped device for a much slower Cortex A8 CPU equipped device?
The ONLY thing the Tegra unit has that the Exynos doesn't is official support for the Tegra zone games, games i dont play (and can be played with CFs driver anyway). In every other way the Exynos unit beats the Tegra one.

rovex said:
Why would i sell a Cortex A9 CPU equipped device for a much slower Cortex A8 CPU equipped device?
The ONLY thing the Tegra unit has that the Exynos doesn't is official support for the Tegra zone games, games i dont play (and can be played with CFs driver anyway). In every other way the Exynos unit beats the Tegra one.
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Tegra 2 is also a Cortex A9 architecture, but it has slower memory and no NEON instructions etc, so it is not as good as Exynos.

Also, I believe that Exynos can decode H.264 high profile in hardware unlike the Tegra2

pulser_g2 said:
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Exynos > Tegra, especially with CF 3D.
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This. The only reason I was hesitant about buying the S2 was the gaming side but with CF and other games now being released sans Tegra2 compatibility I'm glad I made the jump

So if it's the GT-I9103, it must be the one gsmarena promoted as the Samsung Galaxy Z which can't be compared to SII specs wise.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9103_galaxy_z-3967.php

I think they're two different phones for different markets. The Tegra SGS2 is a carrier phone so I'm guessing Samsung won't distribute it themselves. Samsung said all along they wouldn't have enough Exynos chips for worldwide distribution and initial talk was that Tegra would be sent to developing countries along with a S-LCD screen. Interesting that they chose to send it to the U.S. It's cheaper and the quantities the U.S. needs probably would have been more than Exynos production could keep up with. Or maybe AT&T was looking for a bargain. The Atrix and O2X/G2X are on Tegra so it'll be interesting to see how Samsung's use of it performs. It's been pretty disappointing (except for gaming) so far.

i9103 is the Galaxy Z.
All the news sources are idiots and keep parroting each other with the wrong info.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9103_galaxy_z-review-614.php

I'm waiting for the 32GB version. I hope it's not going to be tegra. Does anybody know if it is the 32GB?

downwiththebanksters said:
I'm waiting for the 32GB version. I hope it's not going to be tegra. Does anybody know if it is the 32GB?
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Afaik, there will not be 32gb version..
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Absolutely not...
Why change my beautyfull SAMO-LED screen for a lousy S-LCD, when i have waited so long for that screen. The Nexus S got the S-lcd in our area, and i was very disappointed - the only solution with AMOLED was the aging Galaxy S. But then the SGS2 came out, and by no means i'm going to swap it for an S-lcd - Tegra or not... (preferrably NOT - with thought on Nvidia's strategy)

pulser_g2 said:
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Exynos > Tegra, especially with CF 3D.
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This GS2 with Tegra 2 already ran a ~4000 quadrant stock.

Again with the Quadrant scores which dont translate to real life usage

TEGRA is it a stable version?

Anyone think Samsung Should use Tegra?

Hi,
One thing I havent seen many people talk about is the fact that S3/2 and the Note lack the Tegra SoC. I Kknow Samsung likes to use their own Exynos, but sometimes I hate the fact that I cant run those THD games which admittedly many are quality games. And.in some cases like Riptide and Shadowgun you do get some extra eye-candy over the regular versions. This is one area were the HTC One X wins I think....the ability to play those high quality THD versions of the game. Im also sure you can root and use chainfire, but sometimes I wish the galaxy line would use the Tegra 3 and have the widest game compatibility. For me this is the biggest downside to what for me is.the perfect phone.
Anyone feel the same?
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I hear ya!!!
I really miss my Tegra goodness...
Many will say that by using this or using that you can make Tegra games run on non-tegra devices, and that's partially true, however true Tegra graphics are much better...
There are many shader effects missing on those non-tegra devices.
I would really love to see a Tegra based Note (even though I know that would never happen)...

Samsung does use tegra, i had a galaxy tab 10.1 and it ran like dog ****

bamboo12 said:
Samsung does use tegra, i had a galaxy tab 10.1 and it ran like dog ****
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Like most tegra 2 devices. I've used moto atrix, lg g2x, acer/toshiba tablets.
They just helping wuth androids biggest problem, fragmentation. This isnt a samsung processor issue, this is up to the developer. Think 360 vs ps3.
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Tegra processors are usually on the low-end of available options.
Eg/
SGS: Exynos 3110 = 170
Droid2 : OMAP 3630 = 160
NexusOne: QSD 8250 = 130
HTC prototype: Tegra APX 650 = 100
SGS 2: Exynos 4210 = 140
Sensation XL: QSD 8255= 130
Optimus 3D: OMAP 4330 = 120
Atrix 4G: Tegra2 = 100
SGS 3: Exynos 4412 = 130
*OMAP Skipped Generation* = N/A
Optimus 4X: Tegra3 = 110
OneS: Krait S4-dual = 100
By having early and direct access to their own manufacturing facility, Samsung can develop chips that are slightly faster than the competition and produce them at lower costs.
Apple tends to strongarm the market with early business deals and access to manufacturing facilities too, though not on Samsung's scale. Fortunately for Apple, they don't need the fastest, they need "good enough" at the cheapest price. Since iOS will run faster than Android, due to better and direct optimizations, Apple's offerings can consequently be even faster than Samsung's.

Say all you want about Tegra being on the low-end side, but when it comes to gaming graphics they simply blow the competition out of the water!
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Rayan said:
Say all you want about Tegra being on the low-end side, but when it comes to gaming graphics they simply blow the competition out of the water!
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I have not seen a side by side comparison but apart from the graphics, how many tegra games are really compelling? I have not seen a tegra game that made me wish i had a tegra device.
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I prefer Mali. So no.
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Rayan said:
Say all you want about Tegra being on the low-end side, but when it comes to gaming graphics they simply blow the competition out of the water!
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When it comes to the GPU, Nvidia are using competitive offerings.
For instance, the one in Tegra 1 (APX 650) was top-tier in its era, but not the best.
This is forgivable as they were new to the mobile market.
With the Tegra2, nVidia did offer a great chip.
It was about on-par/higher than the SGX540... but it was surpassed with the new drivers and higher clocked SGX540 from OMAP4470. And not to mention the quadcore Mali-400 (SGS2) that embarassed it.
With the Tegra3, there's nothing new.
They offer a gpu that was better than their competitors, but the competitors are rolling out their new gpu. Qualcomm with their new Adreno. Samsung with the T604. Omap with the SGX544mp4. In fact the new A5X gpu is superior to the Tegra3 gpu. Don't forget about the PS Vita either.
here's an interesting article: http://blog.laptopmag.com/tablet-chip-showdown-nvidia-tegra-3-vs-the-new-ipads-a5x
Soon, Tegra3 will be a "mid-entry" SoC, or even a "low-mid" one.
The only advantage the Tegra chips have is the TegraZone. Deeper integration of the software to the gpu, that's how nVidia levels the field.
So you are in fact incorrect. They don't blow the competition out of the water!
They fragment the competition, which I believe is wrong. I think that either nVidia must try harder (they're a friggin graphics company!!!) or that the TegraZone enhancements should be in the AOSP and give all competitors a chance to provide the best software (drivers producing, kernels processing, roms consuming) for their hardware.
With greater competition, the consumers win.

I'd rather have the better Exynos processor than some crappy Tegra games which I might show off once and then never play again...

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I'd rather have the better Exynos processor than some crappy Tegra games which I might show off once and then never play again...
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+1,000,000 to this!
Tegra - no thank you!

bamboo12 said:
Samsung does use tegra, i had a galaxy tab 10.1 and it ran like dog ****
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That was Tegra 2. Tegra 3 on the HtC one x and Asus transformer prime flies.
So the myth that Tegra is slow has been shown by Tegra 3
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violentgoomba said:
I have not seen a side by side comparison but apart from the graphics, how many tegra games are really compelling? I have not seen a tegra game that made me wish i had a tegra device.
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Riptide GP...Samurai 2 THD, Shadowgun Tegra 3, Fruit Ninja THD, Bang bang racing Thd...i think are pretty good titles and offrr significant enhancements over the non thd versions.
I love my Note...but I do have to admit that a One X with the Tegra 3 has more game support and is faster.
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nvidia is a GFX Company. They'll pay for people develop stuff for their products.
Tegra 3 is inferior to the Mali 400 MP. Ask the developer to make a version of their game using all Mali 400MP Features.
Blame the developer not the GPU itself.

blue13x said:
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One thing I havent seen many people talk about is the fact that S3/2 and the Note lack the Tegra SoC. I Kknow Samsung likes to use their own Exynos, but sometimes I hate the fact that I cant run those THD games which admittedly many are quality games. And.in some cases like Riptide and Shadowgun you do get some extra eye-candy over the regular versions. This is one area were the HTC One X wins I think....the ability to play those high quality THD versions of the game. Im also sure you can root and use chainfire, but sometimes I wish the galaxy line would use the Tegra 3 and have the widest game compatibility. For me this is the biggest downside to what for me is.the perfect phone.
Anyone feel the same?
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A few Samsungs run Tegras - they have piss poor performance, abysmal video decoding capability, etc. See Tab 10.1 as an example - the tegra2 in that is a POS compared to Exynos4.
NVidia is always first to up the core count but always delivers poor performance per core.
Similarly, the Exynos 4412 smokes the Tegra 3 when total system performance is taken into account.
It's kind of odd that the SoC that comes from a company whose specialty is GPUs is the worst in terms of 2D video performance (codec support) and average at best for 3D.
On top of that they use some funky texture compression format not compatible with anything else unless you use Chainfire 3D.

mdrjr said:
Tegra 3 is inferior to the Mali 400 MP. Ask the developer to make a version of their game using all Mali 400MP Features.
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No. The gpu in the Tegra 3 is slightly superior to the quadcore Mali-400, not a huge stretch.
But each "generation" nVidia have been the the inferior products, especially in the graphics components (irony?). However, they offset this because they're first to market.
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Blame the developer not the GPU itself.
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That's exactly right.
Its about the entire offering software AND hardware optimization, not one without the other.
I rather have a 1GB RAM and Tegra2 rather than 2GB RAM and Exynos 4410... just as long as the software is optimized (for instance, lower-level API support using Qt and Mainline Linux.... compared to higher-order virtual engine running on a inferior kernel).

I think your arguments are all invalid. Especially on this forum.
Just install chainfire 3d pro and you can run all those THD games flawlessly and in real world performance mali blows tegra out of the sky.

tegra gets no love nowadays

Darfus said:
I think your arguments are all invalid. Especially on this forum.
Just install chainfire 3d pro and you can run all those THD games flawlessly and in real world performance mali blows tegra out of the sky.
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Even though Chainfire allow us to run Tegra games, it does not do a good job emulating the shader effects present in the actual games. Games look flat and dull compared to the original.
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Rayan said:
Even though Chainfire allow us to run Tegra games, it does not do a good job emulating the shader effects present in the actual games. Games look flat and dull compared to the original.
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Plus it requires rooting. I prefer the support right out of the box.
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