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Now Rooted. Kiss OTA's goodbye?

Once rooted, even if running the stock ROM with su permissions, will I be able to even receive OTA updates (Froyo)? Or be solely responsible for flashing the firmware myself? Had a G1 before this but I ended up rooting it after all the updates to 1.6 had been sent out, so I'm unfamiliar how the world of rooting and OTA's collide. I would prefer to do as little modding as possible, even though my vibrant is much more of a high end phone than the G1, it got to a point where I was constantly flashing my phone with new mods and hacks and roms, and it got kind of frustrating having little things wrong here and there. I got my adfree so far, thats enough to make me happy for now.

joe.kerwin said:
Once rooted, even if running the stock ROM with su permissions, will I be able to even receive OTA updates (Froyo)? Or be solely responsible for flashing the firmware myself? Had a G1 before this but I ended up rooting it after all the updates to 1.6 had been sent out, so I'm unfamiliar how the world of rooting and OTA's collide. I would prefer to do as little modding as possible, even though my vibrant is much more of a high end phone than the G1, it got to a point where I was constantly flashing my phone with new mods and hacks and roms, and it got kind of frustrating having little things wrong here and there. I got my adfree so far, thats enough to make me happy for now.
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I'm sure right before the update becomes available you'll hear about it and you can always unroot ...

if you install the OTA, you will download the OTA (which is a NON ROOTED update) therefore making your phone get UNROOTED. now, you WANT do avoid installing the OTA's because they will unroot you, but since you aren't running a custom rom on your phone, you WILL get the OTA from t-mobile, you just have to force urself to DECLINE the install (if you want to keep root) you can update to the OTA release if you want to get rid of root, but if you wait a couple days, someone will have hacked a rooted version of the update.

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if you install the OTA, you will download the OTA (which is a NON ROOTED update) therefore making your phone get UNROOTED. now, you WANT do avoid installing the OTA's because they will unroot you, but since you aren't running a custom rom on your phone, you WILL get the OTA from t-mobile, you just have to force urself to DECLINE the install (if you want to keep root) you can update to the OTA release if you want to get rid of root, but if you wait a couple days, someone will have hacked a rooted version of the update.
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or you can just re-root...correct?

most of the time when an ota update comes out they patch the exploit used to root... this probably will not happen with the galaxy s series phones... 1)Samsung intends to sell 10 million of these phones... 2)It wasnt an exploit, it was left open to begin with

I'm not even sure if T-mobile cares. They allow their customers to post information about rooting their phones on their own forum.
I would post the link but I'm not allowed until my account has been verified.

oh lol, the way i worded my post was inferring that the new update would have "patched" the way to get root, but your responses make me think otherwise lol.

Better safe than sorry if Root is important to you. Wait for a guinea pig to update and verify if root is still an option or not.....

I was wondering the same thing too, but I have deleted most of the bloat ware that came with the brand. So after the ota and unroot, will these programs be reinstalled?
And if I did a factory reset would it restore the bloat ware and unroot the phone?

I got my adfree so far, thats enough to make me happy for now.[/QUOTE]
Is add free really that important? If you don't want a 3mm bar on your screen buy the app. I click the add every time I open an app that is free. If you don't then all the dev will make apple apps... Just kind of selfish if you where to ask me.
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Not like we're getting an update ever. =|
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bauerlucas said:
Just kind of selfish if you where to ask me.
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He didn't ask you.

disturkis4u said:
Not like we're getting an update ever. =|
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Looks like this is the case for the moment. Maybe we will see something soon though, but I still would like to know about my questions.
Charles Sloan said:
I was wondering the same thing too, but I have deleted most of the bloat ware that came with the brand. So after the ota and unroot, will these programs be reinstalled?
And if I did a factory reset would it restore the bloat ware and unroot the phone?
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Rather then making another thread about this, id just like to ask it here.
i know this has been asked about a million times, but i need to make in a million and one.
im rooted, clockwork recovery, mobile ap installed, and JAC kernel. I do not have any custom roms installed. Because of the custom kernel, im guessing that will keep me from receiving OTA?

Root or wait for Android 2.2?

Hey guys, I'm new to the Android community and I'm completely in love with it now that I had the phone for several weeks. Like every other phone I get, I'm always eager to customize it in all the ways possible.
So here is my question, rooting seems simple enough with the great guides you guys have here. However, I've heard that Android 2.2 is right around the corner with new great features. I read that if you upgrade your firmware, it will un-root your phone back to stock.
I'm already hungry to try the new features that a rooted phone can do but I'm thinking that this update is worth waiting for since this phone is new anyways.
Any opinions?

Steps for success:
1. Root phone.
2. Wait for 2.2.
3. Download a 2.2 rom with root.

Were would I find the rooted roms?

DynamicXL said:
Were would I find the rooted roms?
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In the development section.

Its a file you can find . Its not a rom. Your phone will still get the ota even after you root it. Can't say the same for custom roms
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Cool, thanks for the quick responds guys.
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Absolutely ROOT. I have some things to do once rooted in the sticky, please let me know if you have suggestions.

Rooting have nothing to do with ota update but flashing a customer rom will.
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I'm thinking of rooting. My battery life is a joke. The only thing I miss about Nexus One besides trackball notifications.

nick_karstedt said:
Steps for success:
1. Root phone.
2. Wait for 2.2.
3. Download a 2.2 rom with root.
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i second this

Yeah, I think I'm going to root my phone soon. Thanks for the help!

Fuse8499 said:
I'm thinking of rooting. My battery life is a joke. The only thing I miss about Nexus One besides trackball notifications.
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Not sure how rooting your phone is going to solve your battery issues? All that rooting does is give you root (superuser) permissions on your phone. You can do this to remove the bloatware that came preinstalled on the phone, run various apps that require root. But I can't think of any way that it's going to allow you to save battery life that you couldn't already do non-rooted.
My only reason to root was for wifi-tethering...

I know the newer version of Facebook is a battery eater. I switched back to the older style and my phone is happy again.
Root is great.
1. Remove bloat apps
2. Remove the annoying T-mobile jingle
3. Root Explorer is fun to play with
I think thats all I've really done so far. Well I should that I've wanted to really do so far.

Rooting isn't working for me otherwise I would have to agree :-(

^ could you give a little more detail, so we can help?
Do you have the update file named update.zip.zip by accident?

I pretty much had the same question. But after a little reading just now I actually understand what rooting is. Helps that I'm familiar with linux! Attempting to root in 5 4 3...
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So if you don't have a data plan you can't get the ota update? You must root? Mine is on AT&T with no data plan right now.

Isn't there much more to rooting then apps and root control? I've seen all the custome ROMs people get to customize the phone and theme just about everything.
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s15274n said:
^ could you give a little more detail, so we can help?
Do you have the update file named update.zip.zip by accident?
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No I just Have a file named update.zip. I have tried two different methods twice now and once I'm in recovery and go to flash the zip it says it isn't there. I don't know what it is I'm doing wrong.
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So I rooted my phone earlier today. It was unbelievably easy to get the whole set up going.
Haven't had much time to fool around with it yet except for several apps that require root access, mainly to flash and back up my data in case of an oops.
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confused about rooting

I really would like the ability to completely backup my Evo, wipe batt stats, clear caches, wifi tether, and some other things but I DONT WANT A CUSTOM ROM.
i am perfectly happy with stock sprint rom.
everywere i read about rooting the way the tutorials are worded they make it sound like you have to use a custom rom...
id like to use unrEVOked.
could someone help me out, thanks...

I used unrEVOked Forever and rooted my phone. It was easy and quick. It rooted it and kept the stock rom. I used it for like 2 weeks then decided I would try Warm. If you use unrEVOked, it should keep the stock rom and be rooted. After that, it's your choice to swap roms. I like Warm because it has the stock Sprint hotspot enabled.

parker81 said:
I really would like the ability to completely backup my Evo, wipe batt stats, clear caches, wifi tether, and some other things but I DONT WANT A CUSTOM ROM.
i am perfectly happy with stock sprint rom.
everywere i read about rooting the way the tutorials are worded they make it sound like you have to use a custom rom...
id like to use unrEVOked.
could someone help me out, thanks...
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You can do all of that and still use a stock ROM.

You don't have to use a custom rom unrevoked installs a stock rooted and you can still update it ota but you loose root if you do custom roms sometimes add some tweaks and functionality that you don't get from stock so they are worth looking at.
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m4rk0358 said:
You can do all of that and still use a stock ROM.
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thanks guys for the super fast replies...
i can just use unrEVOked3 right?
it sounds like unrEVOked forever is geared more towards someone want to use custom roms...
i also found this tut..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXWm8262iMU&annotation_id=annotation_81633&feature=iv

Use unrevoked forever after unrevoked 3 so you have nand unlocked to do the full backups the other reason is you can get root back slot easier after update
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firestetz said:
Use unrevoked forever after unrevoked 3 so you have nand unlocked to do the full backups the other reason is you can get root back slot easier after update
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i have to use both?

No. Unrevoked3 unlocks nand. I only used that and I've flashed several custom ROMs.
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TheMagicalSock said:
No. Unrevoked3 unlocks nand. I only used that and I've flashed several custom ROMs.
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Your right it does but if you read on just about any forum here it's not a full unlock but by using unrevoked forever you get s-off or security-off which when you're talking about stock rooted lets you upgrade and root without waiting for someone else to produce a stock rooted update rom.
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Would i lose root after 2.2 froyo ota update?

Would i lose root after 2.2 froyo ota update on 21st? If so, how do i get back to root? Sorry for newb question.

First u probably won't get the ota cuz u are rooted ......u need to odin back to di18 stock for u to get the update... or wait a lil longer to have one of ur devs. Cook some rom ready for our root phones... personally I won't go back to di18 ... but if our devs told us (which I don't think we need to) to do it.. then ill be happy to do it...
And to get root back from 2.2 do the same method u did fro 2.1
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Is the OP on 2.2? I'm still on DI18, and it has been fine for me. I rooted, but that's it. Would I still get the OTA?

It was my understanding that you could get the OTA update while rooted, as long as it wasn't a custom ROM. Someone chime in?

Way to NOT search people, I mean seriously....
But anyway like the last half a dozen threads asking THIS EXACT SAME QUESTION, you cannot OTA unless you are on a stock rom with the stock recovery, if you don't want to revert then wait less than a day and it will be in flashable .zip form.

You should be able to get the OTA if you're rooted on di18 and still have stock recovery. The update will most likely break your root, though. All you will have to do to get root back is run the one-click.

Yes
yonglee09 said:
Would i lose root after 2.2 froyo ota update on 21st? If so, how do i get back to root? Sorry for newb question.
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worldwidepmp said:
It was my understanding that you could get the OTA update while rooted, as long as it wasn't a custom ROM. Someone chime in?
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Correct you will lose root but will get the update. You have to lose any roms also clockwork I think. Not positive so maybe someone else can comment on that.
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Nevermind.

Question: I used one click root, and it deleted the asphalt demo. Using root explorer, I reinstalled the stock app, but it gave me a notice that asphalt was still in the system apps. I know you need to have all the stock apps when updating, so will I have any problems?
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b3nny said:
Question: I used one click root, and it deleted the asphalt demo. Using root explorer, I reinstalled the stock app, but it gave me a notice that asphalt was still in the system apps. I know you need to have all the stock apps when updating, so will I have any problems?
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Just odin eb13 when it comes.
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Ya, as other users have said, 2.2 is stock so it should ova update but remove your root (was in thesame situation with my mytouch and 2.2). Of course just superoneclick after you update and you're good to go

Thanks for the question and REAL ANSWERS

[Q] root help on samsung epic

I am currently thinking about rooting my samsung epic.I was planning on going through with with the easy one-click root. My question about rooting is if I root it would I be unable to upgrade to 2.3 when samsung actually releases it?

SOTASFINEST65 said:
I am currently thinking about rooting my samsung epic.I was planning on going through with with the easy one-click root. My question about rooting is if I root it would I be unable to upgrade to 2.3 when samsung actually releases it?
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From what I know when you root and run different ROMs you cant get OTAs. But its simple enough to restore your phone to stock
So root away!
And besides...once Gingerbread does come out the custom ROMs built off of that will make it worth it to root again
So check my signature for qbkings how to videos and get to it

Sorry I am really at both rooting and posting threads. How would i go about returning to stock when 2.3 releases? and then could I do the same process to re root after i get the ota? and I will check your videos, thanks for all your help man.

scratch what i just wrote about how to haha. Does the odin flash to stock erase all my contacts and current apps on my phone?

SOTASFINEST65 said:
scratch what i just wrote about how to haha. Does the odin flash to stock erase all my contacts and current apps on my phone?
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Yes, and the rooting process for Epic Gingerbread us still under discussion. If you upgrade from a custom froyo rom to a custom gb rom, you'll bypass having to root again and lose minimal data.
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Do you mean the current gb roms that have been leaked and are out for rooted phones now? or do you mean when samsung themselves release the update that the update itself will be available for rooted phones in a rooted state itself? and if you meant the current gb updates that have been release are they smooth running or still a bit glitchy since they aren't the finished product? I apologize if any of this is common sense haha

If you root now and put a custom 2.2 rom on phone then you can just wait a day or two after the ota gb release before ace or someone else releases a custom rom based on the ota gb release. Then you will be able to flash the upgrade and not lose data. I would suggest Midnight, bonsai or syndicaterom frozen by acs.
Samsung Epic SyndicateROM Frozen 1.1

I actually have no idea what rom I am going to to go with after i root it haha. Ive just had this phone for a few months and feel like doing something new, i also want to put a free wifi app on there so i dont have to pay sprint more for a feature i had free on my old tp2. like i said I am a complete rookie to this besides putting cfw on my old psp and having android on my tp2 , and that means that if i just wait for the gb rom to come out complete after someone makes a custom for it than il just have to come back to the great xda and upgrade myself?

The newest syndicate rom would be right up your alley. Read the instructions, watch the video and you'll be fine.
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I'm you guys are getting annoyed with all my questions so il aske a few last ones and will root my phone with in the hour. Does using a different rom transfer my apps and contacts? i wasnt sure if it acted as a new skin or a duel boot kind of like how my tp2 was. If i back up my phone right after the root I am guessing i can restore to back up if i am not a fan of the rom, or is there a different way? You guys are a ton of help thanks the root and lancelane.

SOTASFINEST65 said:
I'm you guys are getting annoyed with all my questions so il aske a few last ones and will root my phone with in the hour. Does using a different rom transfer my apps and contacts? i wasnt sure if it acted as a new skin or a duel boot kind of like how my tp2 was. If i back up my phone right after the root I am guessing i can restore to back up if i am not a fan of the rom, or is there a different way? You guys are a ton of help thanks the root and lancelane.
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Some ROMs back up your data, and others do not. It depends on the ROM. You should do a simple root, and backup with Titanium backup and do a Nandroid backup as well. Just in case. Apps and contacts usually are available when you log back into your gmail but if you save contacts on phone instead of google they won't. You can also export your contacts to google or your sd card.
Ask away. But also look at the videos.

the contacts are not that big of a deal since i do have it saved on my gmail, but i didn't think my apps could be saved and transfered. and random question i have a few games saved on tiger gba and psxondroid, would i lose those save files saved on the emulator on the new rom? I know i don't loose any of that on the root or so my research lead me to believe.

SOTASFINEST65 said:
the contacts are not that big of a deal since i do have it saved on my gmail, but i didn't think my apps could be saved and transfered. and random question i have a few games saved on tiger gba and psxondroid, would i lose those save files saved on the emulator on the new rom? I know i don't loose any of that on the root or so my research lead me to believe.
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Again that depends on the ROM. Some, like Bonsai, now back up and then restore your data. If you root and use Titanium backup you will be able to restore data to those games if they get wiped.

Ok so somehow i suck at the one-click method. It says something about no phone being found. I guess i will have to get a bb usb cord and try again.

SOTASFINEST65 said:
Ok so somehow i suck at the one-click method. It says something about no phone being found. I guess i will have to get a bb usb cord and try again.
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Turn off your anti-virus and firewall as well.

And try a different usb port.

Turn off the anti virus on my phone or the comp?
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SOTASFINEST65 said:
Turn off the anti virus on my phone or the comp?
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Computer. Phone will do its own thing.
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I've been busy working but I will try to see if I can't get the root to work when I have some time off
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SOTASFINEST65 said:
I've been busy working but I will try to see if I can't get the root to work when I have some time off
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Most anti-virus and some firewalls see rageagainstthemachine as a trojan so will block it and sometimes delete it.