Hey guys,
Found VZW_Skype.apk in an old RUU before it was announced that it would be pulled from the Thunderbolt, when installed it tries to download a file called com.skype.merlin_mecha (Found this from baksmali'ing it) but fails to download as the file was pulled from the market (along with a similar file called merlin_bionic) so without it we have no video calling.
http://pastebin.com/hsuX1WCC
Now this file, when looked up on AndroLib seems to have 5-10k plus installs, if you can help me in finding it (google didn't help much) then we may have a shot at video on the TB using Skype.
Thanks
This would be better off being reposted in several other device forums. I was looking at the comments on Androidzoom and apparently an Evo user has/had it. Try asking there. Hopefully the user has a xda account and still has the apk. Long shot, but a shot worth taking...
Did Fring ever turn back on video chat?
Tango seems to work decently. Called my wife's iPhone 4 from my Tbolt without issue. Skype would be pretty sweet though!
I noticed there were a lot of programs in the older RUUs that are not listed. Good luck on the search as I would love to try it out!
Fring and oovoo both work but the it wold not register the front facing camera.
Spaniard85 said:
Tango seems to work decently. Called my wife's iPhone 4 from my Tbolt without issue. Skype would be pretty sweet though!
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+1 for Tango. I can call my wife's iPhone with it and it works great. Can use over 3G too and not limited to wifi and 4G.
yahoo messenger works well also. does video chat. video part could be better . what is the quality on tango?
I seem to have audio issues with both Tango & Yahoo video calling. I am calling to my wife's TBolt. Any one know how to correct this ?
Thanks
Tango seems to have an issue with tbolt to tbolt calling. Works great calling tbolt to iPhone though.
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Ah yes, tried tango as well, not as good as face time to face time, but i suspect that skype video calling will fix that, its bull**** the iphone has skype video but android doesnt yet.
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This was just a dummy app directing you to the app store. Only FW .96 had Skype video but the quality wasn't that good. If you rip the .apk from .96 Skype Video should work.
need bb said:
This was just a dummy app directing you to the app store. Only FW .96 had Skype video but the quality wasn't that good. If you rip the .apk from .96 Skype Video should work.
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Perhaps someone could post said apk so everyone doesn't have to download the huge RUU?
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Where is FW .96? i searched all the posts here in the dev sections and none of the posted firmwares are .96.
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This was just a dummy app directing you to the app store. Only FW .96 had Skype video but the quality wasn't that good. If you rip the .apk from .96 Skype Video should work.
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I can not find this in the ruu, can you please do it for us?
need bb said:
This was just a dummy app directing you to the app store. Only FW .96 had Skype video but the quality wasn't that good. If you rip the .apk from .96 Skype Video should work.
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This is the list of RUUs I'm seeing, from jcase's post here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=997724
Mecha_VERIZON_WWE_1.12.605.6_Radio_1.16.00.0223r_N V_8k_1.41_9k_1.64_release_174685_signed.zip
PG05IMG_Mecha_VERIZON_WWE_1.12.605.9_Radio_1.16.00 .0223r_NV_8k_1.41_9k_1.64_release_176865_signed.zi p
PG05IMG_Mecha_VERIZON_WWE_1.07.605.3_Radio_1.13.00 .0118r_NV_8k_1.38_9k_1.58_release_167761_signed.zi p
RUU_Mecha_VERIZON_WWE_1.03.605.10_Radio_1.02.00.01 03_2r_NV_8k_1.37_9k_1.52_release_165253_signed.zip
PG05IMG_Mecha_VERIZON_WWE_1.10.605.3_Radio_1.15.00 .0128w_3_NV_8K_1.39_9K_1.61_release_170484_signed. zip
RUU_Mecha_VERIZON_WWE_1.05.605.0_Radio_1.07.00.010 8r_NV_8K_1.38_9K_1.54_release_166255_signed.zip
PG05IMG_Mecha_VERIZON_WWE_1.12.605.0_Radio_1.16.00 .0218w_NV_8k_1.41_9k_1.64_release_173234_signed.zi p
RUU_Mecha_VERIZON_WWE_1.08.605.1_Radio_1.13.00.012 1w_NV_8K_1.39_9K_1.59_release_168706_signed.zip
Which one are we talking about?
Captainkrtek said:
Hey guys,
Found VZW_Skype.apk in an old RUU before it was announced that it would be pulled from the Thunderbolt, when installed it tries to download a file called com.skype.merlin_mecha (Found this from baksmali'ing it) but fails to download as the file was pulled from the market (along with a similar file called merlin_bionic) so without it we have no video calling.
http://pastebin.com/hsuX1WCC
Now this file, when looked up on AndroLib seems to have 5-10k plus installs, if you can help me in finding it (google didn't help much) then we may have a shot at video on the TB using Skype.
Thanks
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If someone gets Skype working, I will definitely be donating. I am the only one with a Front Facing camera in the family.
Add me to the donation list..... Maybe we should start a bounty. The first dev to get skype video calls working with decent quality would get the bounty.
sent from my commando style T-Bolt.
I don't like bounties, If I find the apk ill post it for free
I knew the captn would make it happen....cant wait for some video calls on this beast. The ffc is a little shoddy in low light but great during the day
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really hoping to get Skype for SGS...why sgs couldnt get Skype even it is high end device.............really hope it will function for froyo later....cant wait to get froyoooooo......
but now it is already in Galaxy S but still hopng for video chat !!
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really hoping to get Skype for SGS...why sgs couldnt get Skype even it is high end device.............really hope it will function for froyo later....cant wait to get froyoooooo......
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I have Skype running on the JPO rom (Froyo) it's running reliable and hasn't force closed once for me.
Try looking at the development forums to find out how to flash Froyo on your phone.
Thanks , which Skype version you have ? I have Froyo rooted,ext. sd 8 GB. I always get : out of space " can't install....I have enough space in all memories. Any tip please ?
Is there a new, hacked version of Skype that allows 3G calling in the US without using your mobile carrier minutes on a Galaxy S with Froyo?
It still doesn't have video calling which makes it useless to me.
i dont need video calling
new version released. now move to sd
share the latest apk here
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share the latest apk here
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Download it off the market. its free.
The latest version works on sgs, just get it from the market
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Why doesn't video calling work on the SGS with front camera?
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Why doesn't video calling work on the SGS with front camera?
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Not with Skype. But it works with the latest version of Fring.
I am not so worried about the audio function of skype as 90% of the people I voice call with, I dont pay for in my networks contract anyway. I am curious about video calling. I suspect (for Ireland at least) that it is disabled due to specific agreements with other network providers.
But in theory, the data connection from 3G or HCDP (I probably mixed up those initials), there should be no problem with a video call.
Unfortunately, that is only something to think about, because, until Skype provide an official Android version that supports video calls, there is little that most Android users can do about it (Unless someone knows of a 3rd party app that works ).
[edit] Oh yeah, this works with fring, I forgot.
I have skype on my SGS and SG Tab. Works a treat when i wabt to chat with the wife when im working. Works well on 3g aswell which i was happy about.
I read online that skype and facebook were looking to merge in the near future...
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video calling will come.... they just made it for iphone wont be long that they make it available for andoid also ( i hope)
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Not with Skype. But it works with the latest version of Fring.
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but i think fring only works in US only isn´t it?
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but i think fring only works in US only isn´t it?
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I'm not aware of such a restriction. Its working fine for me.
Hey,
I just got a samsung tab at vzw, wa adv wondering if anyone know of a way of way to video chat over wifi to a computer or other tabs.
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le0.br4zuc4 said:
Hey,
I just got a samsung tab at vzw, wa adv wondering if anyone know of a way of way to video chat over wifi to a computer or other tabs.
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either use the built in software "Qik - video chat" or download from teh market place "tango".
I prefer tango as they seem to do better with lower network speeds. BTW, 3g speeds are slow but manageable for video chat (well i guess depends on how strong your 3g is..) and the person your calling has to have tango installed (i don't know if tango bypasses the need for a specific video chat enabled phone)
did this answer your question?
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either use the built in software "Qik - video chat" or download from teh market place "tango".
I prefer tango as they seem to do better with lower network speeds. BTW, 3g speeds are slow but manageable for video chat (well i guess depends on how strong your 3g is..) and the person your calling has to have tango installed (i don't know if tango bypasses the need for a specific video chat enabled phone)
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Thanks a lot, but i cant find qik in here on my tab, does the vzw version comes with it qik built in?
Im also going to try tango as well. Thanks
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Tango is so much better I think , better video quality and performance.
You can also video chat with Apple products like iphone or ipod touch people.
Best as I can tell QIK doesn't come on Verizon's version of the Tab. Very odd. I suspect it's a reluctance to offer the service but you'll see if you browse their site they simple never mention that they've removed QIK from their Tab and their support people aren't even aware of it at all.
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What about Fring? I am currently Androidless so I don't have a chance to see what Tango is all about as a comparison to Fring, which is better than Qik.
I like Fring as well but it's not working for the Tab. When I do the test call it shows the image from the FFC but nothing records for playback.
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I am also using Tango on my Tab but I haven't tried the Yahoo messenger video chat yet so that might be a good one.
Tango is pretty cool, saw it in action yesterday on an Evo that was chatting with an iPhone 4, I'm like, "She has an Evo?" "An iPhone 4? Is she on wifi?" The quality was just astounding compared to Fring and obviously compared to Qik, since Qik SUCKS.
So they were both on 3G, and it looked perfect. Tango it is.
Uhhh, whats the point of selling a phone with a front facing camera, if the phone doesn't come with the software right off the bat?? LOL
Anyways, is there a work around for this with one of the ROMS?
Thanks!!
theres tango in the market..qik..and you can google the fring beta for the atrix
Blame google for not having a way to video chat, not Motorola for including it on the phone.
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Uhhh, whats the point of selling a phone with a front facing camera, if the phone doesn't come with the software right off the bat?? LOL
Anyways, is there a work around for this with one of the ROMS?
Thanks!!
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Wow, great. Another person posting a new thread without even looking up anything first.
It's been everywhere, even when you go to the Motorola website and look at the Atrix it has a picture of it using Qik.
http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/U...d-Services/Mobile-Phones/Motorola-ATRIX-US-EN
Oh no...boo hoo!!! Another post on a question that's been asked already?!?!? What will come of this? The intrawebz is running low on available space! Quick! Start deleting stuff!!!
Tango works cross platform.
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For one thing - the sarcasm is childish. Two, if anyone actually READ the forum RULES, it says - SEARCH BEFORE POSTING..... Its not a difficult concept. Third, all this does is CLUTTER the forum with crap that doesnt need to be here.
Tango works, but it's unreliable and compare to facetime it's crap. Google needs to make facetime for android.
Google needs to add video support to Google Talk.
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and if I want to call to someone don't have a smartphone....like samsung f480 without that software
So there is no videocall option? are they serious? not everybody have qik or other software...just a usual videocall over 3g
I think its a probleme with android and not the phone it self...
I already have the dezire z and nexus S and they have a front camera but can't do a video call to another phones without this softwares
motorola wrote a crapy motoblur and was unable to wrote a normal videocall app???
p.s. moto had a super videocall option on their phones - they can even record video!
I see video calling as one of those things that would be great to do someday but for now its just another come on gimmick. Without every single phone being able to video call (not video chat) and being compatible with all the other phones out there I see no real reason for it other than a gimmicky thing. Having said that, my wife has the iPhone 4 and she has been after me to get it also so we can video call. Like the droids, the iPhone 4 can video call but only with another iPhone 4. It may be that when they come out with the iPhone 5 this summer that it may not be able to video call with the iPhone 4.
Now, since ATT saw fit to shove an update on my Atrix that essentially locked it up even more I am seriously considering going to the iPhone 4 and make my wife happy so she can see my pretty face when she calls me. She calls me once a day to ask how I am and give me a shopping list. I can see her calling me several times a day now just so she can video call, Oh joy! And if I don't accept her request to video call I can see myself in the dog house for a while.
we really need Skype Video or Google Video Chat ASAP.
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+1
There seems to be a lot of elitism on xda recently. This place used to be more friendly.
What is a usual video call over 3g? Isn't every video call use some sort of software. I mean I know what you mean but aren't those on really old nokia phones pre 3g? Android has quik Iphone has facetime.. windows has.. Who cares?
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Contact fring support and ask for their atrix beta. I tried posting it on another xda thread but people had problems with it...just contact them, they'll provide a link, installed fine for me.
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lol is this a first android device for some of you? ive had 4 ive never seen what you call " just a regular video call " its always been through software apps downloaded from the market.. tango/fring/qik and the others. one app i forget the name, paltalk i think, aloows for video chatrooms. if u want to video call someone who doesnt have a capable device in the first place, well nevermind. just download the apps and make some friends
the most people have a old phones, or don't have a wifi or 3g plan for internet....but they can do a video call for free...like in portugal...call's and video calls are free with all mobiles....like samsung to nokia, htc to other...withou internet plan or wifi connection....soo....
well im am new to the android and i have many questions lol, i think im going to have to read the book on the phone
the sprint lady said i could video chat? where do i go and which one to use?
This should be in q&a section
To put it simply they all suck but I like yahoo
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i use oovoo beta and tang video calling...i like tango the best..tango is for android to android video calling and oovoo is for phone to phone/pc video calling.. the thing about oovoo is the person using a pc to video calling must have the new beta version installed on their pc which every person i know doesnt want to download a beta just to video chat with me...but it work...
I'm holding out for a Skype app.
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I'm holding out for a Skype app.
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Seems like their agreement with Verizon was an exclusive.
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Seems like their agreement with Verizon was an exclusive.
Texted while driving
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It is most unfortunate - but I'm betting someone will come out with a "compatible" app in due time, if Skype doesn't wake up.
Alternately, I'd take an official Google Talk video chat solution.
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It is most unfortunate - but I'm betting someone will come out with a "compatible" app in due time, if Skype doesn't wake up.
Alternately, I'd take an official Google Talk video chat solution.
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Which surprises me as to why we don't have one yet. It's Google. Where's our video chat?! WHAR!?!
Fring is pretty good, but I'm going to try that "oovoo"
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Fring is pretty good, but I'm going to try that "oovoo"
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I have found that ooVoo works really well.
Hopefully Skype will do something with Qik to get around their exclusivity with Verizon.
Or even better, Google get off their asses and start using the video call framework that's been in the API since at least 2.1. They bought Gizmo5, who was doing SIP video calling using h.264 on my Nokia n810 back in '07. It was essentially what Apple's FaceTime is now.
I've been using Yahoo Messagings video chat because my wife doesn't have a smart phone that does video, so being able to connect with a computeri s a must for me, but the video is sideways. Does OOVOO not have this problem?
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I've been using Yahoo Messagings video chat because my wife doesn't have a smart phone that does video, so being able to connect with a computeri s a must for me, but the video is sideways. Does OOVOO not have this problem?
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ooVoo is the best around. It has a small footprint, displays correctly and works (when it does) flawlessly.
My only problem with it is it's inconsistency making calls. Sometimes it will show the user online; sometimes it won't.
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Which surprises me as to why we don't have one yet. It's Google. Where's our video chat?! WHAR!?!
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Not surprising to me really. While I like a lot of things about Google their 'statup' operation strategy with lots of independently operating teams leads to this.
I say the same thing all the time with official Google apps for Android. Where's my official Google Analytics/AdWords/Docs/Talk app? I know all of these can be addressed in various ways by 3rd party apps or tertiary functionality in other apps. But I'd like to see some official Google apps for some as their official apps usually tend to be good quality.
More than likely video chat on google will be release at Honeycomb and hopefully with some devs help we'll have it for our froyo devices.
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I also prefer yahoo over tango n qik free voip calls on there is also a nice feature
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i've tried a few and like Tango the most. it's just the easiest to use and most streamlined and just works.
+1 Tango! Simple to use, and it streams extremely well on either 3G or 4G (best). I've use Yahoo, Qik, etc. and found those apps can be quirky and probably worked best on Wifi.
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ooVoo is the best around. It has a small footprint, displays correctly and works (when it does) flawlessly.
My only problem with it is it's inconsistency making calls. Sometimes it will show the user online; sometimes it won't.
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My problem with ooVoo was a perpetual attempt to sync, draining my battery. Their support said they'll be removing that from the next release but until then it's staying off my device.
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My problem with ooVoo was a perpetual attempt to sync, draining my battery. Their support said they'll be removing that from the next release but until then it's staying off my device.
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+1, same here, drains battery fast.
I've had that same issue with Oovoo, it's literally killed my battery extremely fast to reach and sync with nothing. But other than that it's the only logical choice for Video chatting until Skype and Verizon stop screwing everyone over with Exclusiveness.
So..
Skype got updated and video call is now supported on some handsets (Desire S, Xperia, Nexus etc)
Nice new interface also..
Anyway some devs can get video working on our tablets ???
Tango works perfectly and its free, you can download it at Market.
Cheers!
meh on Tango. Installed the Thunderbolt version of Skype on my HTC Sensation and video worked fine. I wonder if it would work on the Iconia
Yep, screw tango, skype is allover the world, works on my epic with video but not on iconia (no video).
Skype uses NEON and Tegra 2 doesn't have it.
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Skype uses NEON and Tegra 2 doesn't have it.
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Does this mean Skype video will most likely never work for the Iconia a500?
I'm really going to be disappointed if this is the case... been waiting for video support for a while now.
I, like other, have tried the new skype 2.0.0.47 'hack' by theos0o (v5 i believe) but surely, skype crashes with the 'enable video' checked in the advanced menu.
Anyone?
I have been considering other video app options, only most of my friends and family are skype users... also I have been using skype for many years now, so it sucks their rotten suppprt for us android users...
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I really hate that we have to jump through hoops to have video chat on an Iconia. You see, it's really a selling point to have a front facing camera on a tablet. Automatically you would assume that since it has a front facing camera, it would have some video chat suite included..
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I really hate that we have to jump through hoops to have video chat on an Iconia. You see, it's really a selling point to have a front facing camera on a tablet. Automatically you would assume that since it has a front facing camera, it would have some video chat suite included..
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It does, and it's included. It's called Google Talk, or on our tablets simply labeled "Talk". You can video chat with anyone on another tablet, pc, or even a mac.
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It does, and it's included. It's called Google Talk, or on our tablets simply labeled "Talk". You can video chat with anyone on another tablet, pc, or even a mac.
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I don't even think my Rom came with Google Talk, lol. Either way, I tried to use some google talk substitute before (can't recollect exactly what it was called), but.. it was quite bad =P
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Tango works perfectly and its free, you can download it at Market.
Cheers!
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Everybody i know uses skype. Do we expect them all to change just so I can use the iconia for vid conferencing?
Tango doesn't work that well... Personally I tested it and it has a lot of audio problems. Anyway that's not the majoir problem with it. Tango is not a pc platform. I want be able to talk to anybody not just to the ones having a smartphone or a tablet. That's why Skype is superior, cause it works on every platform, and that's why it would be great having video support. It's all theoretical of course, cause, due to the fact our a500 mic is the worst mic ever built, to talk to somebody is impossible for the ones not living in the middle of a desert... To use voice I have to yell so loud that I could wake up ppl living 2 miles from my house.
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Everybody i know uses skype. Do we expect them all to change just so I can use the iconia for vid conferencing?
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Well, actually, yes. Skype is not very well supported on most mobile devices, as it is more of a PC app.
In my opinion, the best multi-platform thing going is Google Talk. It works on all of my current devices -- phone, tablet, desktop and notebook PCs. Anyone that I know who won't switch to Google Talk will only get to talk with me when I'm in front of my PC, and since I got the A500, the time spent in front of my PC is lessening every day.
If Skype doesn't quickly start improving support for mobile devices, it's only a matter of time before it starts quickly losing popularity.
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I don't even think my Rom came with Google Talk, lol. Either way, I tried to use some google talk substitute before (can't recollect exactly what it was called), but.. it was quite bad =P
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You didn't think it came with GTalk?!?
Do you really own an A500?!?
A GTalk substitute is not the same as GTalk.
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Well, actually, yes. Skype is not very well supported on most mobile devices, as it is more of a PC app.
In my opinion, the best multi-platform thing going is Google Talk. It works on all of my current devices -- phone, tablet, desktop and notebook PCs. Anyone that I know who won't switch to Google Talk will only get to talk with me when I'm in front of my PC, and since I got the A500, the time spent in front of my PC is lessening every day.
If Skype doesn't quickly start improving support for mobile devices, it's only a matter of time before it starts quickly losing popularity.
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Exactly! And if you have a PC, or Mac, all you have to do is login to your gmail account and you can GTalk video chat right in your browser.
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Except ours with video chat, but GTalk does video chat across all platforms ugh!
How do I explain my grandma to create new Google account so she can use gtalk when she uses skype for at least 10y, her answer is Why.
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dito33 said:
How do I explain my grandma to create new Google account so she can use gtalk when she uses skype for at least 10y, her answer is Why.
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You already have your answer. Why? Because Skype does not work on your tab, but Google talk does work. Skype is not a part of the Google family of products.
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How do I explain my grandma to create new Google account so she can use gtalk when she uses skype for at least 10y, her answer is Why.
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Get a new grandma! lol
I too wish Skype would just add video chat capabilities for all devices. It can't be THAT hard. I've got plenty of friends who use Skype, but I have absolutely NONE that use Google Talk and again, none of my friends' friends use it either so it wouldn't be possible to start converting them to Google Talk.
The simple fact is that Skype is way, WAY more popular than Google Talk.
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I too wish Skype would just add video chat capabilities for all devices. It can't be THAT hard. I've got plenty of friends who use Skype, but I have absolutely NONE that use Google Talk and again, none of my friends' friends use it either so it wouldn't be possible to start converting them to Google Talk.
The simple fact is that Skype is way, WAY more popular than Google Talk.
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When I got my tablet, no one used Google talk for VC, but all I had to do was ask, n it was easy cuz if you have a gmail account, which almost everyone does, either by choice or by Droid, you can chat. You don't need another account, another program, anything! And for the (very!) Few I come across that 1) want to VC with me, 2) have a Skype, 3) don't have a Droid, and 4) somehow missed the gmail revolution, I convert them. They get to talk to me, AND get better email. Win-win. N seriously, how often do you come across someone that fullfills all of those criteria? Cuz if they are missing any of those 4, you're set