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Insanely fast HSPA+ speeds? Fluke or what?

So I was in downtown Myrtle Beach this evening which is like a ghost town in the winter and decided I would try some speed tests at mobilespeedtest.com. On doing 3, 5, and 7mb downloads I was getting insanely fast speeds. Any ideas? Did my phone cache the download? I was using the stock android browser and running CM7 b#55.
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clintj said:
So I was in downtown Myrtle Beach this evening which is like a ghost town in the winter and decided I would try some speed tests at mobilespeedtest.com. On doing 3, 5, and 7mb downloads I was getting insanely fast speeds. Any ideas? Did my phone cache the download? I was using the stock android browser and running CM7 b#55.
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Its too clear for me to see it.. LoL
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Blurry man.
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That site is bogus, your phone is only capable of going to 14mbps and that site shows you have 16.

quierotacobell said:
That site is bogus, your phone is only capable of going to 14mbps and that site shows you have 16.
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I see over 12 but not 16. Which pic has 16?
If it was caching glitch then you would get much higher speeds than that. I think it could be legit. The best speeds I've seen ever.

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It's a fluke, I've done it as well. The more you test it the faster it says your speeds are, the most accurate is the speedtest app on the market. That will give you true speed test results.

FrenicX said:
I see over 12 but not 16. Which pic has 16?
If it was caching glitch then you would get much higher speeds than that. I think it could be legit. The best speeds I've seen ever.
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The last one. It's just not possible as the phone is only capable of 14. Use the speedtest.net app, much more accurate.

quierotacobell said:
The last one. It's just not possible as the phone is only capable of 14. Use the speedtest.net app, much more accurate.
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When I use the Speedtest.net app in the market my download speed is continually climbing, and never seems to max out. I also noticed that instead of saying UTMS or whatever it used to say it just says cell. This was a speedtest.net result from last night. I have seen it climb into the 8000s, but my sdcard was full of junk so I cleaned it out when I wiped for CM7. Here is my speed test app result which was done inside with about 3 bars HSPA+. I did a mobilespeedtest.com when I was outside and was so stunned I didn't do another app test. Also note that when I do smaller file sizes on mobilespeedtest my results get slower.

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I've seen some weird speedtest stuff. My Speedtest is rarely over 3-4mbps.
During actual downloads I see 7-9mbps (about 1100KB/s is what it topped out at.) This is not peak, this is sustained. It fluctuates somewhat but I tested it out for over an hour and it averaged out at 890KB/s. That's over 7mbps, average, held for over an hour. I was impressed That's faster than my crappy home internet.
So why do I get speedtests that do not reflect this? Hell if I know.
(Experimenting a bit on the last day of my billing month, so I was not worried about burning through data )

dadewy said:
I've seen some weird speedtest stuff. My Speedtest is rarely over 3-4mbps.
During actual downloads I see 7-9mbps (about 1100KB/s is what it topped out at.) This is not peak, this is sustained. It fluctuates somewhat but I tested it out for over an hour and it averaged out at 890KB/s. That's over 7mbps, average, held for over an hour. I was impressed That's faster than my crappy home internet.
So why do I get speedtests that do not reflect this? Hell if I know.
(Experimenting a bit on the last day of my billing month, so I was not worried about burning through data )
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What are you using to see your download speeds. I can't seem to see my actual download speeds with stock browser or opera mobile. I will be back down that way tonight to do some more experimenting.

clintj said:
So I was in downtown Myrtle Beach this evening which is like a ghost town in the winter and decided I would try some speed tests at mobilespeedtest.com. On doing 3, 5, and 7mb downloads I was getting insanely fast speeds. Any ideas? Did my phone cache the download? I was using the stock android browser and running CM7 b#55.
Thanks
i don't consider mobilespeedtest.com to match anything in the real world....My G2 just scored >27000 kbps/s.....Even 2 years ago my G1 scored like 10900, which is just not possible.......i believe speedtest.net gives better (much lower) estimates....
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clintj said:
What are you using to see your download speeds. I can't seem to see my actual download speeds with stock browser or opera mobile. I will be back down that way tonight to do some more experimenting.
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I just tether and use the PC for speed tests. Typically a usenet client. If all you have is a phone, you could dl a large file and simply time it.
Then divide file size by time and you have your speed.
Crude/low-tech but it'll do.

Typicalll....
When I'm connected to HSPDA (90% of the time), I get an average of 6MBPS down and up to a little over 8. Anywhere in that range.
In Washington, DC
In NYC it's a little more bogged, but I'll usually see 4-5 down.

Android1126 said:
When I'm connected to HSPDA (90% of the time), I get an average of 6MBPS down and up to a little over 8. Anywhere in that range.
In Washington, DC
In NYC it's a little more bogged, but I'll usually see 4-5 down.
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You mean Mbps (Megabits) not MBps (Megabytes) I hope...

I just did it and got 16 too... it is not accurate at all.
Edit: I see that the image is ****, but the graph is still visible
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clintj said:
You mean Mbps (Megabits) not MBps (Megabytes) I hope...
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Megabits yes, sorry I was stressing the numbers by capitalizing.

fastest i've gotten..

eneka said:
fastest i've gotten..
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Not bad, I've yet to hit 9 Mb/s

I want lte on my atrix!!!!

The Verizon LTE service is supposed to be the fastest out there.
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5923/holysh1tlte.jpg
BUT...
It looks like now that people have actually started to use LTE, the speeds have gone Way, Way down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma88UIRt1S0&feature=player_embedded#t=442s
Is anyone else beating this "4"g with hspa+?!

i dont know. the download was slow, around 2Mbps. but holy crap did you see the upload hitting 22Mbps!

Still beats the pants off my Atrix and AT&T.

Techcruncher said:
The Verizon LTE service is supposed to be the fastest out there.
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5923/holysh1tlte.jpg
BUT...
It looks like now that people have actually started to use LTE, the speeds have gone Way, Way down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma88UIRt1S0&feature=player_embedded#t=442s
Is anyone else beating this "4"g with hspa+?!
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Download????? only 2.97? WTF
Man LTE is sooooo amazing. But the uploading being 22 is f**king awesome!

just thought I would clear this up, The high uploads are due to the speedtest app not being able to measure LTE uploading correctly.
These scores are completely inaccurate.
It might as well say 99999999.9999999mbps upload.

Techcruncher said:
just thought I would clear this up, The high uploads are due to the speedtest app not being able to measure LTE uploading correctly.
These scores are completely inaccurate.
It might as well say 99999999.9999999mbps upload.
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Oh that makes sense. But I get those download speeds on my Moto Atrix!

Is anyone else having a problem with their atrix switching to Edge? I'll try to run a speed test or watch a video and it will just randomly switch to edge, then no signal, then back to H. What's the deal?

That was the point of this post. Most atrixes (Atrices?) are faster than this. Mine gets 5 down

Intersting results - mine were much different in Phoenix AZ.
I think in general the speedtest app is broken. When doing it on the webpage I was getting more consistantly between 15-20 MBps download and 5 MB upload.
I am actually giving back my atrix tomorrow. Best phone I have ever had, but the network is not even 3g speed out here (even with a microcell in my house I still can not get over 1.5 MB download and we all know about the stellar upload speed)
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Willing to bet the person in the video was on a 3g network and that 4g symbol never changes (just like H+ is always on for the atrix)

azwildfire said:
Intersting results - mine were much different in Phoenix AZ.
I think in general the speedtest app is broken. When doing it on the webpage I was getting more consistantly between 15-20 MBps download and 5 MB upload.
I am actually giving back my atrix tomorrow. Best phone I have ever had, but the network is not even 3g speed out here (even with a microcell in my house I still can not get over 1.5 MB download and we all know about the stellar upload speed)
Willing to bet the person in the video was on a 3g network and that 4g symbol never changes (just like H+ is always on for the atrix)
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Except.... EV-DOrA (CDMA 3g) Never goes above 1.4mbps down

Techcruncher said:
just thought I would clear this up, The high uploads are due to the speedtest app not being able to measure LTE uploading correctly.
These scores are completely inaccurate.
It might as well say 99999999.9999999mbps upload.
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Speedtest worked fine with Evo WiMax "4G".

knarfl1 said:
Speedtest worked fine with Evo WiMax "4G".
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Those are two different technologies though

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Except.... EV-DOrA (CDMA 3g) Never goes above 1.4mbps down
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I thought it was 3.1 max. Where do you see 1.4?
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try going to www.speakeasy.net/speedtest and running it through your browser. curious to see what you'd get there.

So if the Atrix only shows H+ than why does my Atrix switch a 3g symbol everyonce in awhile for a few seconds. I dont understand it.
My data has been so bad in my area I'm getting very upset, Im about to take my phone back and try to get out of contract if they dont fix it.

live4nyy said:
Those are two different technologies though
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Explain what makes LTE different such that Speedtest does not work.

knarfl1 said:
Explain what makes LTE different such that Speedtest does not work.
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LTE uses a single channel(SC)-FDMA while WiMax still uses OFDMA for their respective uplink signaling. OFDMA is what 3G uses, hence why you can still get an accurate reading on the Evo.

correct me if im wrong but doesnt the thunderbolt have horrendous battery

jiggytom said:
I thought it was 3.1 max. Where do you see 1.4?
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I don't know what the max is but usually see 2 - 2.5 on it here in the better areas.

@shanghei
People may be able to figure that out when people actually own it.
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Sacramento, CA 3g (HPSA+) speed results

Pulled these scores by tethering my laptop to the phone:
4.69 down 0.35 up
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Also pulled these through the phone itself:
Speedtest.net app: 1.5 down .32 up
speakeasy through opera browser: 3.07 down .28 up
speakeasy through webtop: 5.07 down .35 up
Why do you think there is such fluctuation and which is probably most accurate?

I'm in the east bay, walnut creek concord area and I'm getting 3.5-4.1 down and 0.30-0.37 up. I'm not tethering or anything.

aszrael1266 said:
I'm in the east bay, walnut creek concord area and I'm getting 3.5-4.1 down and 0.30-0.37 up. I'm not tethering or anything.
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What are you using to test speeds?

Sounds like capped speeds. I'm not sure if it works on the atrix but on the inspire you can edit the build prop to get better speeds.

booty hater said:
Sounds like capped speeds. I'm not sure if it works on the atrix but on the inspire you can edit the build prop to get better speeds.
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well that doesn't really make sense. It just seems that for some reason speskeasy is handing out way better speeds

seh6183 said:
What are you using to test speeds?
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I'm using the speedtest.net speed test app.
The upload speeds are capped as of now. They will be uncapped once the hsupa+ is enabled some time in april. People have been trying to get it enabled sooner but there is nothing to flash the radio with that works.

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well that doesn't really make sense. It just seems that for some reason speskeasy is handing out way better speeds
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=982082

aszrael1266 said:
I'm using the speedtest.net speed test app.
The upload speeds are capped as of now. They will be uncapped once the hsupa+ is enabled some time in april. People have been trying to get it enabled sooner but there is nothing to flash the radio with that works.
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Any chance you could run a speakeasy speed test for me?

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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=982082
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Sounds scary! Ill let someone with an Atrix and more knowledge take the plunge before myself. Thanks for the link though

seh6183 said:
Any chance you could run a speakeasy speed test for me?
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is it an app? I couldn't find one by that name in the app store.
Edit never mind. I did a search and found it. Just went to the site and ran it on my phone I'm getting 4.88mbps down and 0.29 mbps upload

aszrael1266 said:
is it an app? I couldn't find one by that name in the app store.
Edit never mind. I did a search and found it. Just went to the site and ran it on my phone I'm getting 4.88mbps down and 0.29 mbps upload
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VERY curious as to why I'm getting 4+ down on speakeasy and 1.5 on speedtest.net. Running again to verifiy:
*Ran both directly from the phone 2x*
speakeasy downloads: 3.09 - 3.21
speetest.net downloads: 0.54 - 0.70
Hmm....

I did the same thing again back to back
Speak easy shows 4.94 down and 0.34 up
speed test app shows 4.23 down and 0.32 up

aszrael1266 said:
I did the same thing again back to back
Speak easy shows 4.94 down and 0.34 up
speed test app shows 4.23 down and 0.32 up
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Not only am I disappointed, I'm confused at the inconsistency.

if its any help when I had my Iphone and the speed test app it had a little graph that shows your speeds as the test is running. I would always see my Iphone spike right from the start at a high speed then fall and work its way back up to a lower speed then the first spike. Maybe the same thing is happening here but the test is so fast on speak easy it doesn't give the phone a chance to drop off that first spike. Where with speed test the test it self is a lot longer so I think it would better reflect an accurate rating.

aszrael1266 said:
I'm in the east bay, walnut creek concord area and I'm getting 3.5-4.1 down and 0.30-0.37 up. I'm not tethering or anything.
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right behind the stoneridge mall in pleasanton i get about 4.5-5 mbps down

aszrael1266 said:
if its any help when I had my Iphone and the speed test app it had a little graph that shows your speeds as the test is running. I would always see my Iphone spike right from the start at a high speed then fall and work its way back up to a lower speed then the first spike. Maybe the same thing is happening here but the test is so fast on speak easy it doesn't give the phone a chance to drop off that first spike. Where with speed test the test it self is a lot longer so I think it would better reflect an accurate rating.
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I was almost certain HSPA+ wasn't in my area yet, so it makes more sense that the 1.5 im getting is accurate. but but now I don't know. it bothers me that the other poster is able to get the same speeds on both tests.
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right behind the stoneridge mall in pleasanton i get about 4.5-5 mbps down
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jealous.

Hsupa+ is not enabled on our phones yet so once that firmware update goes out those in the "4g" areas should see a speed increase. I know their map shows me as being in a 4g area and I am wondering what kind of speed increase I will be seeing.

is sacramento hspa+ already? I ask csr they dont know a damn thing and my phone is slow as hell. I want my iphone 4 back!!!

One thing to note is that the Speedtest app uses your location data to pick the closest server. Sometimes that location data is off or inaccurate and it picks some test server on the other side of the country.

Sometimes the speedtest.net app shows my phone at less than .50 down. Then wait a few minutes and then try some more it goes up. The highest I have seen is about 3.0 down. I am "supposed" to be in a live 4g area, but under "about phone/status" it always shows HSDPA.

HSPA+ Improvement

I know that the Atrix will not be compatible with AT&T LTE. When comparing Verizon's LTE with ATT's HSPA+, Verizon blows it out of the water. While I know that HSPA+ will never be as fast as LTE, does anyone know if there are plans to improve the speed of HSPA+ on ATT? I think it's able to perform speeds of 14 mpbs but the reports I have seen actually put it at 2-4 mbps.
Thanks,
Matt

Bracemg said:
I know that the Atrix will not be compatible with AT&T LTE. When comparing Verizon's LTE with ATT's HSPA+, Verizon blows it out of the water. While I know that HSPA+ will never be as fast as LTE, does anyone know if there are plans to improve the speed of HSPA+ on ATT? I think it's able to perform speeds of 14 mpbs but the reports I have seen actually put it at 2-4 mbps.
Thanks,
Matt
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They could very easily increase our speed, but the real question is "will they?".
It might be they are going to keep HSPA+ where it is because the network won't handle the volume of traffic, or might be because they want people to jump on LTE when they start that, (enthusiasts buying new LTE phones so they can utilize the faster speeds). in reality, we don't know, but can hope!

AT&T is slowly improving backhaul from what I hear. This should increase it pretty significantly, as T-Mobile is making similar improvements and seeing speeds in the 5+ mbps range. The most I've seen is 4.7 Mbps on my Atrix (up from 1.5 on my old Aria), so I know that the phone is capable of pretty significant speeds. The HSPA+ 14.4 radio on the Atrix is likely to top out at around 7-10 mbps once all the network improvements have been finished.

Most of the towers are fast enough already but they get bogged down easily by many more people using it than it can handle, when they increase bandwidth you'll see improvements
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estenh said:
AT&T is slowly improving backhaul from what I hear. This should increase it pretty significantly, as T-Mobile is making similar improvements and seeing speeds in the 5+ mbps range. The most I've seen is 4.7 Mbps on my Atrix (up from 1.5 on my old Aria), so I know that the phone is capable of pretty significant speeds. The HSPA+ 14.4 radio on the Atrix is likely to top out at around 7-10 mbps once all the network improvements have been finished.
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I almost broke 7 Mbps down this morning. Upload is a steady and consistent 1.2 Mbps.

I get 3.5 down and 1 up... I have no 4g here, at least that's what it says in about phone.
SIGH.
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Appologies for my ignorance, but what app are you using to measure speed?
Mgamerz said:
I get 3.5 down and 1 up... I have no 4g here, at least that's what it says in about phone.
SIGH.
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Bracemg said:
Appologies for my ignorance, but what app are you using to measure speed?
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Speedtest, pretty much the standard we all use:
Speedtest Mobile
If you use it, make sure to check settings and select the server closest to you. Speedtest can have a habit of picking a very distant server for you. Also, it sometimes pays to try different servers, as speed results will vary depending on the server and who runs it.

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Speedtest, pretty much the standard we all use:
Speedtest Mobile
If you use it, make sure to check settings and select the server closest to you. Speedtest can have a habit of picking a very distant server for you. Also, it sometimes pays to try different servers, as speed results will vary depending on the server and who runs it.
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Just as a recommendation, if you get consistently varied results on the Speedtest app you can try different servers but also try http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/. It seems to give me far more consistent results, but I'm not sure about anyone else. The desktop page should load fine with that strong Flash support!

Yup, Speakeasy is another good one!
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tethering (hack) to my macbook air over wifi.

Why do review sites keep posting low download speeds with HSPA+?

I don't get it I keep seeing them post speeds of 200-300KBps with HSPA+........ running speedtest on my GS2 I'm getting around 1.5MBps and yes I mean Byte and not bit. HSPA+ in theory can go to 21mbps so there is still room to grow to at least 2MBps with HSPA+. Then with DCHSPA+ with the Nexus 4 on paper you can reach speeds of 4-5MBps and my friend who lives in another country has a DCHSPA+ modem and he is speedtested it for me and got 3.8MBps.
I see all these LTE 4G speeds and they're getting from 21mbps - 32mbps in most cases which is like 2.5MBps -4MBps in speed.
I mean I'm getting not far off that right now with Three in the UK on my GS2 and I haven't even tried a DCHSPA device yet, I'm not sure if three support it.
I don't get where these sites are getting 200-300KBps speeds from?

On T-Mobile with the galaxy s2 I got speeds around 15Mbps down and about 3-4Mbps upload on their HSPA+42. Nexus 4 should get the same. Although T-Mobile has very limited HSPA+ where I am living now so I won't be able to test in that same area for a while.. Those reviews are garbage, just saying

ctowne said:
On T-Mobile with the galaxy s2 I got speeds around 15Mbps down and about 3-4Mbps upload on their HSPA+42. Nexus 4 should get the same. Although T-Mobile has very limited HSPA+ where I am living now so I won't be able to test in that same area for a while.. Those reviews are garbage, just saying
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Yeh so you're getting like 1.8MBps which tbh is more than enough for a mobile but also close to these poor LTE speeds which are really just DCHSPA+ speeds.

Venekor said:
Yeh so you're getting like 1.8MBps which tbh is more than enough for a mobile but also close to these poor LTE speeds which are really just DCHSPA+ speeds.
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It's more than enough for what I need data for, which is basically streaming music, the occasional youtube video, and webpages/checking email.

ctowne said:
It's more than enough for what I need data for, which is basically streaming music, the occasional youtube video, and webpages/checking email.
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It's also not much slower than LTE right now......
I don't see how all these sites seem to be getting such low speeds.

Its just depends on your luck on how close the celltower is to you. At my work its over 20Mbps with an SII, at home its more around 5Mbps.

I have seen lots of t-mobile and AT&T cell sites. Really depends on if they have upgraded to a true fiber, like using the local Comcast or other high speed provider. Or if they are still using the multiple t1 lines to power it.
A lot of sites with multiple cell providers, usually AT&T will have copper into site, while the others have a fiber connection. Just depends. =/ Even if you see fiber into the cell site, it can just mean they are using it for distance run, coming from t1 station down the road.
Some of these sites have some really old stuff in them. Kinda hit or miss on the ones that have a really good internet connection to them.
My input. Just from seeing the cell sites.
And if you are right under a cell site, you never connect to that one...to much signal. It connects you to one further away
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Venekor said:
It's also not much slower than LTE right now......
I don't see how all these sites seem to be getting such low speeds.
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They must be using AT&T because their HSPA+ network can be pretty slow sometimes, compared to T-Mobile that is. In my area AT&T gets about 2-4Mbps down and maybe 1Mbps up.

I had my father's galaxy s2 (42mbps) and my galaxy nexus (21mbps) right next to each other dieting a speed test.
Galaxy s2 always got double the speed. He was getting 14mbps and I couldn't break 7mbps
I know radios and software and everything else come into play, but the potential for more is there
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Unless you're on att or coming from another carrier to tmo and not sure what you'll get why would you be worried about this. If you're already on tmo you should get the same or better speeds, correct?
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And I'm pretty sure there will be different radios we can install. I'll probably install the radio I have on my sgs2.
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I was wondering how the speeds actually were since I'll be coming from Verizon.

With tmo in south fla you will get around 8-23 down and 1-5 upload.

What about speeds for AT&T in southern california?

Here is a wild guess; (most) reviewers are in an area which was affected by Sandy.

That's just B.S. I live close to DC area and I got upto 21 MBPS on my HTC ONE S. LTE doesn't necessarily mean its faster than HSPA+ .T-Mo's HSPA+ is awesome but probably ignorant people can't tell the difference.

You can check data speeds for your carrier at rootmetrics. In my area, T-Mobile gets at best 1 mb download. Verizon has LTE here which gets 20 - 30 mbps. Stupid fast. That being said, I'm probably going with AT&T via Straight Talk.

hiz99 said:
And I'm pretty sure there will be different radios we can install. I'll probably install the radio I have on my sgs2.
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This is a very bad idea.
1) The flash will most likely fail.
2) If it did somehow flash your baseband will be screwed.

These are theoretical speeds, anyway. I have never had more than 7 or 8 Mbps down on my phone. And it just depends on cellphone traffic through that particular tower, I think. I have done speed tests countless times when I barely crack 1 Mbps on "HSPA+".

This is what I am getting with t-mobile, and i am happy lol
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