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After reading of a new Mytouch HD product that is coming for T-Mobile Im pretty impressed with specs but very turned off by the looks.
So that makes me wonder does vibrant have the technology to run on T-mobile's 4G network with simple software updates?
Reason I am asking this is because I know The iphone 4G will be able to run on 4G network as soon as AT&T launch their 4G service.
Thanks for any knowledge in advance
.... Google is your best friend, its not 4g it's hspa+ on order to take advantage of that speed you ned the physical hardware in the phone which only the g2 had right now, in regards to the iphone 4, I've never heard anything about att launching any 4g network, I also work for att, the iphone doesn't have any hardware that support any faster speeds as far as I know
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iPhone can handle ATT's new "Faster 3G", but they don't have 4G. My understanding is the Vibrant can do HSPa, but not HSPa+? I don't know the difference but that's what i understand. 2G, 3G and HSPa.
4G is just a marketing terms for the masses. After you look at this link...
http://shop.sprint.com/en/stores/popups/4G_coverage_popup.shtml
You should realize that the Vibrant is already capable of reaching the "average" speeds listed here (in areas with proper coverage). Wait...how is that possible?! It's not a 4G phone. Who cares!!! T-Mobile's network and phones already meet or exceed the speeds Sprint is advertising here. T-Mobile is way ahead of the curve here but they're not marketing the hell out of it. FYI, the average website (ATM) may have trouble maintaining a consistent throughput of 5-6 Mbps anyway. Even if you can go faster, does it really matter when the other side can't (yet)?
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After reading of a new Mytouch HD product that is coming for T-Mobile Im pretty impressed with specs but very turned off by the looks.
So that makes me wonder does vibrant have the technology to run on T-mobile's 4G network with simple software updates?
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T-Mobile does not have a 4G network, and they probably won't roll out 4G for at least 5 years
Reason I am asking this is because I know The iphone 4G will be able to run on 4G network as soon as AT&T launch their 4G service.
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Apple hasn't announced a 4G Iphone, so (by definition) you really don't know what you're talking about.
AT&T is set to roll out LTE, but it will almost certainly be data-only devices as they work the kinks out. (As Verizon has done)
Thanks for any knowledge in advance
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You should ask yourself why you care about 4G. I doubt you'll notice much of a decrease in load times, and the carriers are probably going to charge out the yin-yang for the enhanced features they will be able to offer to everyone with 4G.
AT&T and Verizon are going to limited data (AT&T already has). You should really look past all the marketing and hype. All the carriers are guilty of confusing the public to serve their interests.
All T-Mobile phones will benefit from HSPA+ as it's backward compatible. However, the theoretical maximum throughput on the Vibrant (or any legacy phone) that doesn't have the HSPA+ antenna built in caps out around 7Mbs as I recall. The G2 which is built to run HSPA+ has a theoretical througput around 15-20 I believe.
Seriously though, even 7Mbs is pretty stupid fast for a cell phone.
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All T-Mobile phones will benefit from HSPA+ as it's backward compatible. However, the theoretical maximum throughput on the Vibrant (or any legacy phone) that doesn't have the HSPA+ antenna built in caps out around 7Mbs as I recall. The G2 which is built to run HSPA+ has a theoretical througput around 15-20 I believe.
Seriously though, even 7Mbs is pretty stupid fast for a cell phone.
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Clear explanation
But one thing, i am in Boston and my vibrant never reach over 50KB/s...wtf
It supposed to have the + network already...
I get 6mbps on my vibrant on hspa. Home wifi I get only 2.8, I see no difference in browser page loading time..
Downloading w will be faster but whatever.. 6 is all I need. I've only seen some people getting 8 on their g2s, meh, I'm happy with 6..... Hell I'm happy with 3mbps....
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But one thing, i am in Boston and my vibrant never reach over 50KB/s...wtf
It supposed to have the + network already...
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Check the data icon top center - should be two arrows (up/down) and 'G','E', or '3G' to indicate tech. GPRS would be my guess for 50k... EDGE should reach around 200kbps. (I've maxed at about 1.8 mbps 3g in Charlotte, about 210k edge nearer home, and about 12mpbs wifi - same locations as that last my netbook gets 40-70mpbs though.
Check 'settings'->'wireless and network'->'mobile networks' and make sure '2g only' is unchecked. If so I'd suspect a hardware problem. (double-check that 3g is available where you're testing, of course)
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Check the data icon top center - should be two arrows (up/down) and 'G','E', or '3G' to indicate tech. GPRS would be my guess for 50k... EDGE should reach around 200kbps. (I've maxed at about 1.8 mbps 3g in Charlotte, about 210k edge nearer home, and about 12mpbs wifi - same locations as that last my netbook gets 40-70mpbs though.
Check 'settings'->'wireless and network'->'mobile networks' and make sure '2g only' is unchecked. If so I'd suspect a hardware problem. (double-check that 3g is available where you're testing, of course)
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This is 3g network already,
My phone and my gf's one has the same result
I can have up to 2000kB/s with my home Wi-Fi....but tmo network sucks..
I never see a "G" in that blue icon
And the above result is based on the 3G icon...if it is E, it has only 4-5 kB/s! !!
Any other guy in Boston can tell me if it is T-Mobile network sucks or my phone
I live in Cambridge and just did the speed-test, 3g w/2 bars in my apartment. 129kbps download 614 upload. It really varies quite a bit probably depending upon network traffic.
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All T-Mobile phones will benefit from HSPA+ as it's backward compatible. However, the theoretical maximum throughput on the Vibrant (or any legacy phone) that doesn't have the HSPA+ antenna built in caps out around 7Mbs as I recall. The G2 which is built to run HSPA+ has a theoretical througput around 15-20 I believe.
Seriously though, even 7Mbs is pretty stupid fast for a cell phone.
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Does the 7mb cap only apply to hspa, or hspa+. Because on my wireless g network I get blazing speeds.
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I live in Cambridge and just did the speed-test, 3g w/2 bars in my apartment. 129kbps download 614 upload. It really varies quite a bit probably depending upon network traffic.
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I am talking about KB not kbps,
129 kbps is really slow!
I try to compare my friend incredible verizon network at Cambridge
He has 280KB while i have only 45KB download....damn
I get 5mbs in my hspa area on the vibrant.
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Should I call T-Mobile to ask about it as it is ridiculous to have only 50-70kB (Less than 0.6 Mbits) in HSPA+ area
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Does the 7mb cap only apply to hspa, or hspa+. Because on my wireless g network I get blazing speeds.
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theoretical caps. HSDPA 7.2Mbps, T-mobile's variety of HSPA+ 21Mbps according to a T-mobile press release, Wi-fi G 54Mbps.
real word numbers HSDPA 1-5Mbps in good coverage depending on network traffic, HDPA+ on a vibrant 3-7 Mbps again depending on network traffic, Wi-fi... depends on your home internet connection speed.
Some people seem to misunderstand whether or not a non HSPA+ phone (such as ours) can benefit from HSPA+. It indeed can, but not in a straightforward way. In order for T-Mobile to support HSPA+ in a given market they must make reasonable upgrades to their networks backhaul capacity to support it. And these backhaul upgrades will become more important as T-Mobile actually begins selling HSPA+ devices.
One of the most important factors often overlooked with any network is it's backhaul capacity. Bottlenecks in familiar networks can easily make themselves apparent. Take for example the traditional DSL and Cable networks most of us use for wired internet service.
While you may pay for a given advertised speed, whether or not you actually see those speeds has less to do with the connection type and more oftentimes to do with how it has been implemented. In the case of DSL for instance, whether or not you can experience your advertised speed reliably depends on how many other customers are routed through the same DSLAM, *AND* how good the backhaul connection from the DSLAM is to your providers internal network. The same thing occurs with Cable and how many customers are aggregated into a given areas HFC. Bottlenecks within cable and dsl infrastructures occur at different points (because they're architecturally different), but once your outside those infrastructures they both share the potential for having backhaul bottlenecks.
In my area cable is way the fastest connection option, and though I do not pay for the highest speed tier here (15/2, instead of the 10/1 I have), when 10/1 was the fastest tier I'd rarely actually see those speeds. Now I see those speeds reliably. Why? Well there are many factors that effect a network topology, but it's clear that in order to reasonably support 15/2, my cable provider had to make sure it's backhaul could actually handle the load, so it was likely updated to accommodate this.
Hope this clarifies things a bit.
I know that Hspa+ is just a "faux"-g network, it's not even close to the ITU specifications, but I thought hspa+ would be able to go neck, and neck with WiMAX. I was wrong.
Perhaps I am being stupid, and back-haul hasn't actually increased yet, but I was just disappointed when I did a speedtest.
While WiMAX constantly gave me 6mbps/1mbps, and even peaked at 7mbps/1mbps, hspa+ only gave me 4.5mbps to 5.5mbps down, and the upload was horrendous, it was like 256k!
Fortunately the ping on the evo and atrix were both good. To a local server they got around 150- 200 ms.
But really, I expected higher than 5.5/.256 from Hspa+. It's not even close to WiMAX, which was the first 4g technology.
Is anyone else experiencing these terrible "4"g speeds?
in los angeles, the highest i've ever seen is 3.2 Mbps. consider yourself lucky.
have they rolled out backhaul to you yet?
i'm guessing not, although their coverage map says otherwise. it doesn't matter where in LA.... LAX, downtown, west LA, hollywood, east LA. max i've seen is 3.2 with average 1-1.5 Mbps.
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i'm guessing not, although their coverage map says otherwise. it doesn't matter where in LA.... LAX, downtown, west LA, hollywood, east LA. max i've seen is 3.2 with average 1-1.5 Mbps.
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idk about la but i have seen a max of 5.7 mbps down here in downtown phx on my atrix
and i attached proof
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idk about la but i have seen a max of 5.7 mbps down here in downtown phx on my atrix
and i attached proof
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That's INSANE!!!!
My best:
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2605/20090206010.jpg
Note how my wifi scores lower than 4g.
im getting 3.5 down on a captivate that doesnt even support hspa+, the speeds will pick up, the HSPA+ tech is able to get to 14.4 eventually, so be patient, eventually ATT will have up to 21.6 on 3G, but no device supports better than 14.4 currently
The HSUPA+ (upload) threshold is supposed to be 5.76, so you figure that will be even higher also.
The speed is coming, the devices are just ahead of the network right now, and before you blame ATT, look around, when it comes to speed nobody else even compares, WiMax is a dead tech, LTE is the way of the future. Its like having a HD DVD player, it didn't win as the main standard.
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im getting 3.5 down on a captivate that doesnt even support hspa+, the speeds will pick up, the HSPA+ tech is able to get to 14.4 eventually, so be patient, eventually ATT will have up to 21.6 on 3G, but no device supports better than 14.4 currently
The HSUPA+ (upload) threshold is supposed to be 5.76, so you figure that will be even higher also.
The speed is coming, the devices are just ahead of the network right now, and before you blame ATT, look around, when it comes to speed nobody else even compares, WiMax is a dead tech, LTE is the way of the future. Its like having a HD DVD player, it didn't win as the main standard.
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the captivate is capable of 7.2 hspa+ and if im not mistake a software upgrade would bring it to 14 if not the 21 eventually course youll never see that update
AT&T haven't switched it on yet. Chill out and wait.
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I just switched from Sprint to AT&T and I for one will tell you that data service with AT&T has consistently been better in my case.
I am not in a WiMax area (neither are the majority of Sprint customers) and I can say that AT&T's 3g absolutely destroys Sprints 3g service. I used to average around 750 down and 400 or so up with Sprint at home and work. Now I average over 2500 down and 300 or so up. I actually still have my Sprint activated and can say that I have noted this trend over the course of a month. Now that I am confident that AT&T service is going to work out for me, I am terminating my Sprint account.
Yes, my upload took a minor hit, but for daily phone use, my download has more than made up for that. I can only hope that when AT&T actually activates their true HSPA+ backhaul, I see the same improvement.
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im getting 3.5 down on a captivate that doesnt even support hspa+, the speeds will pick up, the HSPA+ tech is able to get to 14.4 eventually, so be patient, eventually ATT will have up to 21.6 on 3G, but no device supports better than 14.4 currently
The HSUPA+ (upload) threshold is supposed to be 5.76, so you figure that will be even higher also.
The speed is coming, the devices are just ahead of the network right now, and before you blame ATT, look around, when it comes to speed nobody else even compares, WiMax is a dead tech, LTE is the way of the future. Its like having a HD DVD player, it didn't win as the main standard.
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Actually, I don't think AT&T has ever said what their HSPA+ speeds are SUPPOSED to be. T-Mobile has said theirs is 21 Mbps, I'd assume AT&T is probably the same, but like you said, they don't have any phones that do more than 14 Mbps right now. The SGS2 will have HSDPA 21 Mbps support. But of course, regardless of what they are CAPABLE of, when was the last time you saw a cell company in the US offer as much speed as their spec allowed?
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the captivate is capable of 7.2 hspa+ and if im not mistake a software upgrade would bring it to 14 if not the 21 eventually course youll never see that update
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The Captivate doesn't have HSPA+, it has HSPA, and you're correct that it's 7.2 Mbps. Actually, HSPA allows downlink speeds of up to 14.4 Mbps, but I'm pretty sure AT&T had only deployed 7.2 for their HSPA, and the Captivate only supports 7.2. Not sure if that's even software upgradeable or if it's limited by the radio hardware.
Actually, I'm curious if the HSPA+ upgrade automatically upgrades the speed of HSPA to 14.4 as well. Even if it does they'll probably lock the speeds lower so they can make sure only their HSPA+ phones get faster service. It's not like they are going to give us 14.4 Mbps on HSPA+ anyway. (At least I doubt they will)
OK, I found ATT's Statement on expected speeds:
"Question:
Just how fast is AT&T 4G?
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With enhanced backhaul AT&T is seeing network speeds up to approximately 6 Mbps. Actual speeds experienced will vary and depend on several factors, including location, device, environment, and capacity. LTE is expected to deliver even faster speeds.
Note: 4G speeds require a 4G device and are delivered when HSPA+ technology is combined with enhanced backhaul. 4G speeds are available in select cities with availability increasing with ongoing backhaul deployment. For information on currently available 4G markets, see 4G Speed from AT&T and select the Coverage map."
Source: http://www.wireless.att.com/answer-...locale=&_dyncharset=UTF-8&solutionId=KB115947
6Mbps is pathetic for pseudo 4G. I've seen regular 3G (HSPA) devices do just as good.
If that's the best their "enhanced backhaul" can provide on HSPA+, their LTE service will be a joke too.
my friend gets 9 Mbps download and .6 Mbps upload on his G2 here in Minneapolis. i get 5 Mbps down and 1.5 Mbps Upload on my iPhone 4.
you know if HSUPA is finely tuned, it can reach speeds VERY close to LTE. I don't understand what the complaining is all about. For them to fully roll out the "4G" network; it will take them the entire year, also with the acquisition of T-Mobile, we will definitely see improvements later on. Just give it some time, we'll see significant speed improvements my guess by Q3.
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I just switched from Sprint to AT&T and I for one will tell you that data service with AT&T has consistently been better in my case.
I am not in a WiMax area (neither are the majority of Sprint customers) and I can say that AT&T's 3g absolutely destroys Sprints 3g service. I used to average around 750 down and 400 or so up with Sprint at home and work. Now I average over 2500 down and 300 or so up. I actually still have my Sprint activated and can say that I have noted this trend over the course of a month. Now that I am confident that AT&T service is going to work out for me, I am terminating my Sprint account.
Yes, my upload took a minor hit, but for daily phone use, my download has more than made up for that. I can only hope that when AT&T actually activates their true HSPA+ backhaul, I see the same improvement.
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I have a buddy with an EVO 50 miles from Philly and does not have 4G. He has paid that additional $10 to get it and can't. His download speeds are horrendous on 3g(600mbps).
In Miami I'm getting 7-9 down and 1-2 up
My highest was 7167 upload so far here in so cal
Does anybody got 4G service from AT&T yet? How fast is it? What city are you in?
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Does anybody got 4G service from AT&T yet? How fast is it? What city are you in?
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Check the dev forum, we can now sbf just the radio from the telstra 1.4.2 which unlocks hsupa. I've averaged about 100 for ping and 2 down/1.4 up in Connecticut. Other users have reported better increases as well as some with less, it will still depend on your area. Flashing the sbf is quick and easy (took me about 10 min to dl and flash) and I haven't had any other issues. Good luck.
Edit: 1.4.2 radio is not our "4g" its just hsupa. Thanks for the correction.
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Check the dev forum, we can now sbf just the radio from the telstra 1.4.2 which unlocks our "4g." I've averaged about 100 for ping and 2 down/1.4 up in Connecticut. Other users have reported better increases as well as some with less, it will still depend on your area. Flashing the sbf is quick and easy (took me about 10 min to dl and flash) and I haven't had any other issues. Good luck.
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I'm assuming that 4G has to be officially deployed in my area first?
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Check the dev forum, we can now sbf just the radio from the telstra 1.4.2 which unlocks our "4g." I've averaged about 100 for ping and 2 down/1.4 up in Connecticut. Other users have reported better increases as well as some with less, it will still depend on your area. Flashing the sbf is quick and easy (took me about 10 min to dl and flash) and I haven't had any other issues. Good luck.
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That's not exactly true. The Telstra radio is only for HSUPA. I get the impression that the op is talking more about download speed, but I could be wrong.
I believe I heard somewhere that they were working on the backhaul and it would be sometime before the end of the year. I don't think I have seen anything reliable about that though, mostly just hearsay and whatnot.
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I'm assuming that 4G has to be officially deployed in my area first?
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you are correct, it has to come with increase backhaul at the cell sites, which has only been done in a few cities across the US. HSUPA has nothing to do with 4G. HSUPA is the upload component of HSPA, which most cell sites are on now (HSUPA is blocked on the Inspire and Atrix but not on the iPhone or Nexus One, etc). They will only be 4G or HSPA+ when increased backhaul is in place.
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That's not exactly true. The Telstra radio is only for HSUPA. I get the impression that the op is talking more about download speed, but I could be wrong.
I believe I heard somewhere that they were working on the backhaul and it would be sometime before the end of the year. I don't think I have seen anything reliable about that though, mostly just hearsay and whatnot.
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Yes, I a talking about 4G service in general...up and down.
AT&T is advertising 4G as if it is already widely available.
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Yes, I a talking about 4G service in general...up and down.
AT&T is advertising 4G as if it is already widely available.
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Yeah it's a bit of sneaky marketing (though unfortunately not uncommon).
The phone is certainly capable, however the service is not.
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HSPA does not equal HSPA+.
The HSUPA update unlocks 3g speed, which is HSPA.
Without the HSUPA we are basically on crippled 3g.
HSPA+, or '4g' (more like 3.5g) will come when AT&T finally gets around to deploying the enhanced backhaul to your particular city or region.
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Yes, I a talking about 4G service in general...up and down.
AT&T is advertising 4G as if it is already widely available.
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http://www.att.com/network/#fbid=dhk1UG4sZJo
click on the coverage map, and run your mouse over the map. cities that have some backhaul in place will pop up like Chicago.
also, note their disclaimer anytime you see or read about 4G
*4G speeds delivered by HSPA+ with enhanced backhaul. Available in limited areas. Availability increasing with ongoing backhaul deployment.
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Yes, I a talking about 4G service in general...up and down.
AT&T is advertising 4G as if it is already widely available.
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AT&T's 4G network coverage map shows Baltimore as 4G enabled but I haven't seen any 4G speeds here. The fastest download speeds I have seen in Baltimore downtown area were close to 5.5Mbps. The recent radio mod does not seem to increase the download speeds.
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AT&T's 4G network coverage map shows Baltimore as 4G enabled but I haven't seen any 4G speeds here. The fastest download speeds I have seen in Baltimore downtown area were close to 5.5Mbps. The recent radio mod does not seem to increase the download speeds.
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Welcome to AT&T '4g' lol.
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That's not exactly true. The Telstra radio is only for HSUPA. I get the impression that the op is talking more about download speed, but I could be wrong.
I believe I heard somewhere that they were working on the backhaul and it would be sometime before the end of the year. I don't think I have seen anything reliable about that though, mostly just hearsay and whatnot.
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Thanks for clearing that up for me. I guess I just got excited for any new radio that would give us what we pay for...
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AT&T's 4G network coverage map shows Baltimore as 4G enabled but I haven't seen any 4G speeds here. The fastest download speeds I have seen in Baltimore downtown area were close to 5.5Mbps. The recent radio mod does not seem to increase the download speeds.
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that is better than what I get! When I was in chicago a few months ago I saw the same speeds. your download speeds are much greater than my 3G speeds at 1.5-2 Mbps here in Denver. I assume that once more backhaul is in place across the country, that 5.5 number will go up. Also, I think I read somewhere on ATT's site that 6Mbps down would be typical of their 4G deployed this year. let me see if I can find where that is stated, I could be making it up
edit: here is that link
http://www.wireless.att.com/answer-...locale=&_dyncharset=UTF-8&solutionId=KB115947
ATT Website said:
Question:
Just how fast is AT&T 4G?
Answer:
With enhanced backhaul AT&T is seeing network speeds up to approximately 6 Mbps. Actual speeds experienced will vary and depend on several factors, including location, device, environment, and capacity. LTE is expected to deliver even faster speeds.
Note: 4G speeds require a 4G device and are delivered when HSPA+ technology is combined with enhanced backhaul. 4G speeds are available in select cities with availability increasing with ongoing backhaul deployment. For information on currently available 4G markets, see 4G Speed from AT&T and select the Coverage map.
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Thanks for clearing that up for me. I guess I just got excited for any new radio that would give us what we pay for...
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Yeah, no problem.
Also I occasionally try to get a response from AT&T about this, and as of a few minutes ago they responded to me on Facebook.
Random AT&T Rep on Facebook™ said:
The HSUPA upgrade is coming soon! As for 4G we've already expanded HSPA+ to virtually 100 percent of our mobile broadband network. That combined with expanded backhaul produces 4G speeds. We expect about 2/3 of our mobile broadband traffic to be carried over expanded backhaul by the end of the year, but we don't have an ETA to share on Dallas quite yet. Thanks for your patience!
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So it seems it's just more of the same for a while longer.
-Doogs™
I assume that once more backhaul is in place across the country, that 5.5 number will go up.
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Why do you assume that? I would assume the opposite really, though I would hope it won't be noticeable. I would assume once a tower is connected it is connected and that the more towers you connect the less bandwidth there is left to share.
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Why do you assume that? I would assume the opposite really, though I would hope it won't be noticeable. I would assume once a tower is connected it is connected and that the more towers you connect the less bandwidth there is left to share.
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I assume this because once they get the enhanced backhaul in place, they can continue to "enhance" said backhaul and not let it get stagnant. of course, that may take a while. but, this is just an assumption and has no scientific backing
Wait, so this update coming out this month isn't even supposed to bring '4G' (HSPA+)? It's only supposed to bring us to full '3G', and later this year we get the full '4G'?
I'd be happy with just having 3g installed where I am!
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This is a why I am so happy about the AT&T and T-Mobile merger. Regardless of it going through and no matter how long it drags on, part of it was a big roaming agreement. I am being optimistic that includes 4G because my area has T-Mobile's 21mb speed. I could handle that.
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I understand that ATT 4G is really 3G+ but still I'm getting exactly the same perfomance from my Atrix as from my Captivate in the same location. Roughly 1 MB up and 3 MB down. Sometimes I get up to 5 MB down on Atrix but upload is always capped at 1 MB. Is it expected?
Then you're probably not in an HSPA+ coverage area. I don't get HSPA+ speeds at my home, but if I go into Atlanta, I'll probably get HSPA+ speeds.
Check coverage on this page: http://www.att.com/network/?
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Then you're probably not in an HSPA+ coverage area. I don't get HSPA+ speeds at my home, but if I go into Atlanta, I'll probably get HSPA+ speeds.
Check coverage on this page: http://www.att.com/network/?
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It shows H+ on notification bar and I'm in north Dallas which has 4G already.
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I understand that ATT 4G is really 3G+ but still I'm getting exactly the same perfomance from my Atrix as from my Captivate in the same location. Roughly 1 MB up and 3 MB down. Sometimes I get up to 5 MB down on Atrix but upload is always capped at 1 MB. Is it expected?
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I'd have to say yes. Can't remember where I heard it but this is the "first wave" of 4g and the next wave is being worked on for the fall. I believe lte is the second phase.
I have had a similar experience coming from the captivate. But we will see as more rolls out.
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AFAIK, despite the icons showing H+ you are probably still using 3G.
I'm in NYC and I get various speeds depending on time of day and which APN Iuse, whether it's the custom APN for tethering or AT&T USA
Generally its around 4 down and 1.5-3 down
Even in an area like Long Island which doesn't have HSPA+, the H+ icon is still active and present when I use data.
It's weird though.
http://www.motorola.com/staticfiles...uments/StaticFiles/ATRIX_GSG_68014204002A.pdf
If you look at the section in the bottom with Icons and Battery Life, it says it's suppose to show 3G when 3G is being used.
The Atrix also has a help center app which has an icon section which shows 3G as an icon that should be present when 3G
If you were an early adopter of the Atrix, you would recall that when HSPA+ wasn't present in your city nor was it activated by AT&T, the H+ icon was present.
AT&T and Motorola as usual are misleading consumers.
Were I live in Louisiana I get up to 4 MB down highest I've seen so far and 2-3 upload pretty good compared to iPhone 3g half a MB both ways
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I've noticed this as well.
When I purchased my Atrix and began my AT&T services back in April, I spoke very in depth with the sales rep about the 4G network thing. I told him I had worked for VerizonWireless for quite some time, and from that point on he didn't seem like he was holding back any information or "dumbing down" anything.
This is what he explained to me:
AT&T (at that time, before Verizon's LTE network started being instituted) was the network that was the farthest along in the process of having 4G everywhere, not just major cities.
At this point in time, the HSPA+ is basically a "3-and-a-half-G" network, with speeds up to 4x that of 3G, BUT ONLY WHERE THE TOWERS HAVE BEEN UPDATED, which is only in major cities, such as Washington, D.C., Philadelphia, etc. (I'm on the East Coast, so I'm not sure about West Coast cities )
Sometime around first quarter 2012 is when they PLAN on having SOME towers broadcast FULL 4G services, which will be 6x faster than the HSPA+ (which as I stated above, is roughly 4x faster than 3G IN APPLICABLE AREAS)
SO, once all is said and done, and everyone with 4G capable phones is on a 4G network, it SHOULD be 10x faster than 3G, and 6x faster than HSPA+.
HOWEVER, the speed of the network is all dependent on the amount of traffic. If there is a lot of people accessing the 4G network, it won't be as fast, as well as if there AREN'T a lot of people on it, it will be faster.
I spoke to a Verizon rep at one of their stores, and he said that on his Thunderbolt, he was achieving speeds equivalent to his in-home FIOS, simply due to the fact that there are hardly ANY users accessing Verizon's "4G" network, LTE.
Hope this kind of helps clarify the whole "4G" rumor
fastest bs of a coverage map too. methinks atnt just copy and pasted their 3g map onto a new map and unhighlighted some less populous areas and said "TAADAAAA!! 4G *****es!!"
Must be the area/network.
Bell with the new update is really fast now.
reaching 10+ mbps down, 3.5+ mbps up
on avg. I'd say it's 5-7 mbps
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It probably depends on the area. DC-HSPA on T-Mobile actually runs faster than Verizon LTE in some areas just because Verizon doesn't open it up enough or have enough capacity or something. The nice part is that DC-HSPA is really just a fast 3G, so even if your phone only hits 14.4 HSPA, it still goes pretty fast. T-Mobile will deploy LTE next year and if that has problems it will have DC-HSPA as a fallback.
I have T-mobile and I easily get 22mbps down, 2mbps up. My husband has Verizon and he gets 23mbps down, 7mbps up. The downlink speeds are comparable. The only difference is in the uplink speeds. Verizon has the edge here. However, I have used both phones side by side and for most tasks, there isn't a huge difference.
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4G Late?
4G LTE
-Destroys Battery life
-Sales Gimmick
4G HSPA+
-Fast enough
-Better battery life
Can anybody really distinguish, with the naked eye, which is faster? Whose testing website is really accurate? Besides bragging rights and marketing fanfare, does it make any difference?
Hi guys,
I do not need LTE due to those facts:
1) HSDPA is fast enough.
2) in common cell phone contracts over here in Germany your speed is reduced to 64kbit after you used up 300mb per month. If I had more than that we could talk about LTE.
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Looneytoon98 said:
Can anybody really distinguish, with the naked eye, which is faster? Whose testing website is really accurate? Besides bragging rights and marketing fanfare, does it make any difference?
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Nope.
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LTE plans here are more expensive. That's a good reason.
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LTE not Late
Mesaman2012 said:
Which service is best...
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FYI there is no "Late 4G", it is called "LTE". Actually there are two types of 4G; LTE and WiMax.
LTE was first used by Verizon, but is now also used by ATT. Due to marketing "schemes" some believe the Apple iPhone 5 has 4g. False! it has HSPA+, not 4G/ Sure, HSPA+ is a ton faster than 3g, but it is still not 4G.
Sprint, and T-Mobile are now also starting to use LTE. Unfortunately I don't believe LTE is standard worldwide, meaning they use different frequency bands. Similar to how a GSM american phone, may or may not work in Europe
I'm sorry that I ever put up such a topic would you ladies and gentlemen please not respond to this stupid topic.I would like to apologize for spamming the thread with this ignorant topic. Takecare
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Either way, we won't be hitting 4G for another 5/10 years. Although, I can't imagine why the hell a phone needs 1Gbps down and 100Mbps up. Maybe 30 years from now those speeds will be standard.
LTE and WiMax are still 3G. They're marketed as 4G (read: FauxG). They're really 3.9G.
Only LTE-Advanced is a certified 4G tech. All the others are still 3G
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times_infinity said:
LTE and WiMax are still 3G. They're marketed as 4G (read: FauxG). They're really 3.9G.
Only LTE-Advanced is a certified 4G tech. All the others are still 3G
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I know that was the case originally, but it's my understanding that the group behind the 4G standards was pushed enough to bend what it qualifies as 4G. Originally 4G was when you had a minimum of 100Mbps download, but now HSPA+, WiMax, and LTE are all considered 4G technologies.
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I know that was the case originally, but it's my understanding that the group behind the 4G standards was pushed enough to bend what it qualifies as 4G. Originally 4G was when you had a minimum of 100Mbps download, but now HSPA+, WiMax, and LTE are all considered 4G technologies.
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By name only. The carriers cried and whined for it, so the ITU caved. It's STILL "faux G" as far as many people are concerned.
Call it whatever you want. It doesn't change the fact that it's still technically based on an older technology.
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Would prefer HSPA than 4G. On 4G, it's really a battery eater. However, the highest HSPA speed I've gotten was around 3mbps and around 1-2mbps upload compared to 30-45mbps download and ~20-30mbps upload.
Normally the HSPA speeds is almost the same as running on GPRS during peak hours until the three local telco was fined for providing below standard data speeds/coverage then it managed to peak around 4-5.
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Would prefer HSPA than 4G. On 4G, it's really a battery eater. However, the highest HSPA speed I've gotten was around 3mbps and around 1-2mbps upload compared to 30-45mbps download and ~20-30mbps upload.
Normally the HSPA speeds is almost the same as running on GPRS during peak hours until the three local telco was fined for providing below standard data speeds/coverage then it managed to peak around 4-5.
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That's your carrier. I've seen HSPA speeds hit 20Mb down and LTE speeds hit 60Mb down almost from seeing other speedtests.
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That's your carrier. I've seen HSPA speeds hit 20Mb down and LTE speeds hit 60Mb down almost from seeing other speedtests.
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Or his location (or the hardware limitation of the handset)
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That's your carrier. I've seen HSPA speeds hit 20Mb down and LTE speeds hit 60Mb down almost from seeing other speedtests.
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I know, that's my carrier problem. Their HSPA speeds is really pathetic.
Thanks for sharing
LTE>HSPA+
My best friend bought the black Iphone five (64 gig) when he came down to Jax, and in town, we compared our speed test results.
Iphone five (lte on at&t) first test- 68 mbps down/16 mbps up
Htc Amaze (faux g) best result that day-23mbps down/3 mbps up
So, strictly speed wise, he consistently was able to pull high 60's down, while my phone that theoretically can hit 42 mbps, never reached 30's. So it seems that location is an important factor, but none the less, I cant kid myself, I rooted my phone and changed the values in the build.prop file to command the phone to max out the radio, while his was straight out of the box. Imagine if he were to jailbreak that monster, its capable of 80 mbps down. The only problem is that his screen is smaller than mine, and he has some crappy plan that wont let him tether, as oposed to us, we can hack out phones to utilize our signal on something easier on the eyes.
Now bear in mind, I am just commenting on data speed, and he is back in Greensboro, North Carolina, and he only gets 20mbps down at best. Then again, 20 mbps down would be my phone on a good day in the middle of the night.