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Here's a battle between WiFi browser loading speeds between the three phones. Very interesting result. Can anyone explain why the iphone was significantly faster? Nexus One should have been way faster compared to the iphone on same wifi speeds.
check it out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMGkhBIqOMg
are we sure the android browser is loading everything in the same order? (it could have been loading the images further down the page first), also, it seems like the apple had cached the page, I have no sound here, but did they say that all 3 phones had been fuly reset or had their cache's cleared?
Yeah, that site was iPhone optimized! That's why there was such a huge difference in load times... what a scam! Notice you even see the "Engadget for the iPhone" banner pop up on the iPhone's screen...
Also notice the guys' ENTIRE post was so SLANTED!!!!!!!!!! He's a complete Apple fan boy. He wanted the Driods to lose. Just ticks me off becuase people will buy that when there is NO way AT&T has a better network and the Iphone is a slower machine.
I so wish this phone was unlocked for AT&T too! gah... my wifes stupid plan and her free minutes!!! I'm switching anyway but it would have been nice to truly have the open system.
No doubt the iphone had the page cached. I've just tried loading engadget on my iPhone 3GS, clearing the cache first and it took twice as long as what video showed on the iphone. I on Wifi with a 6.5mb connection too.
Engadget is totally biased toward Apple big time, nothing can ever live up to them if it hasnt got a apple logo on it.
This begs the question how did a bias reviewer like that get the exclusive review ?
But in head to head non cached race they will be almost the same, but even if the iphone wins (as some browsers generally handle different coded sites better) its doesn't matter as hay nexus one has confirmed Flash ..... my 3gs is looking older and older with every nexus one news story lol
Stop being fanboyish and look at facts. The new browser is nice, but Google screwed it up by moving the drawing engine to the skiagl library. It's now running on the same circumstances as the Chrome browser.
Engadget is a pretty punishing site, and, unlike the iPhone's safari, Android's browser won't release a page until most content is loaded (with the iPhone you can start viewing content even as it's loading).
Here's an interesting thing: If you have a Dream, load up Cupcake on it. No, seriously, load Cupcake on it, the do a browser test of Cupcake browser vs Eclair browser.
The new browser is pretty, but it's pretty much crap.
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I check engadget almost daily, and I had noticed that since I started using the 2.0 browser loading was slower. Oddly enough, most other websites are pretty quick too. The iPhone browser is supperior, and nobody's questioning that. I switched to Opera Mini on my device mostly because of the slow speed of the stock browser.
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Honestly, run the test yourselves. Any eclair browser (either using a droid, or a nexus one, or a dream with either and aosp eclair build or cm's newest donut release with the 2.0 browser backported) will load the page at about the same rate (slower on my g1 over wifi which, according to speedtest.net, is running at 14.28 Mbps down, plenty fast).
Actually, I'll make a video of two android emulator devices, one with 2.0.1, and another with 1.5 and I'll load engadget on both.
plus the smoothness of the scroll. The iphone scrolls at snail speed, moving down screen length, of course its going to look smooth. Android scroll speed is 5 times faster, obviously it's going to look less smooth because of the refresh rate.
I don't see them commenting about that
Ok, here we go.
Android 1.1 browser (unchanged up to donut except for a few ui changes, but rendering engine is the same) vs Android 2.0.1 browser (with libskiagl drawing engine).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjsWWjh79oM
Interesting stuff, Jubeh!
Yes, Engadget is quite a bit slanted in apples favor. That entire review which contained that video was slanted. They failed to mention call quality in that review... did not even bring up the noise cancelling mike. Used sarcastic remarks all over the place. In this video he was like ohhh.. "If I were an owner of this phone I would be in tears"
I bet when I run this test myself the nexus one will probably win out most times but it all depends on the site. Gizmodo stated that the Nexus outperformed both the 3gs and droid most times in multiple test. Unlike Engadget.. they saw the result they wanted on their first try and didn't try it elsewhere.
i love my iphone
......now ducks under a table
I love my iPhone too but some ppl who have them think they are flawless which is untrue there are may downsides to the iphone which this particular review glossed over when comparing the too, things like :-
- WiFi 'n' Connectivity
- Removable battery (when the iphones battery dies like they do its a mess to replace the battery not to mention it voids the warrantee)
- Apples Grip on AppStore
- How apple restricts JB/Rooting is immense ( reducing your control over iphones)
- Battery Nexus Has a bigger battery and better life
Im not saying the nexus is perfect either :-
- Browser does seem slower on nexus (time will tell) Acid3 test them :-|
- UI of the nexus still looks kinda dated
- Some reported lag on home screens
So I understand that there are areas where the N1 falls behind the iPhone but on other, some more practical areas the iPhone falls behind.
Also did they say there device was On 2.1 ?? it could have been on 2.0.1 and i dint see any 2.1 specific features
how is 1.1 better than 2.0.1, how is that even possible?
Why would they let it come to that?
They better fix that!!!!
Anyone know if flash 10 works on the Nexus??
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Whats wrong with liking your own phone?
Now if you were to say that the iPhone was better than the Nexus One in a Nexus One forum, with android fans, then you might need to hide under a table. BUT EVEN THAT WONT SAVE YOU!!!!
lolz
Err, is *2.1* slower?
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Err, is *2.1* slower?
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unknown, no one else seems to be wanting to do some browser videos.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=612843
Just got my nexus 1 and tried the engadget browser test. On my n1, it loaded the site just as fast as the iphone 3gs. And, after the page was cached, the n1 loaded the site faster than the 3gs.
And scrolling is very smooth, significantly better than the mt3g.
Here is a video from REAL Nexus One users comparing the browser speeds.
The N1 is just as fast if not faster than the iPhone.
Don't know why Engadget would make it seem Android is dyingly slow!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdqXSY0UOHU
Any one else finding that most of the reviews of the Tab seem to be written by people who just don't get it?
I'm the first in line to call a spade a spade (that would be "shovel a shovel" for our American cousins) but I truly believe the Tab is a fantastic device and I cannot see where most of these reviewers are coming from.
I'm sure that some would say that us Tab buyers are trying to justify our purchase, but I'm honestly finding that the Tab has exceeded my expectations which were already quite high.
I've been in the market for a device that could sit between my laptop(s) and smartphone for casual media consumption and web browsing, and since buying my Tab last Friday, my Macbook has sat on my coffee table untouched and my HTC Desire has only really seen use as a phone.
I was seriously considering an Advent Vega, Toshiba Folio 100, or Archos 101 as they were all around half the price of the Tab, but after my experience with the Toshiba AC100 Android smartbook I decided that I really wanted the full Google experience (Market, Gmail etc) because it was just so much easier than faffing around with APKs etc.
In less than a week, beyond sitting at my desk, the Tab has become my primary device for Internet and media consumption, and I honestly did not expect that to occur.
Whilst the poor reviews don't affect me directly, I'm concerned that many people would be put off this fantastic device without giving it a fair crack of the ship which I can assure anyone who is sitting on the fence, the Tab most surely deserves!
Regards,
Dave
I tend to agree Dave.
The Tab is one of the best, if not THE best, android device i have used to date (and i have used many).
but its not for everyone and it does have some issues that needs to be addressed (such as the laggy browser).
It does seems like Samsung were able to overcome the issues the SGS had with the SGT and all the power to them.
I do think the reviewers just don't get it.
Some if the reviews i have read are just full of lies and totally biased (see BGR's review).
I really like the stock browser, but it is too laggy compared to others. Samsung should definitely have worked harder on that.
I'm also not convinced by swype on a device of this size but I could be convinced, if I could have swype automatically in portrait and something else in landscape.
Regards,
Dave
I don't think the reviews I've read have been overly negative but I've only read a handful:
Oddly, I found the review on Engadget to be one of the better ones, even if they only scored it 7/10.
They seemed genuinely enthusiastic about the Tab, which flies in the face somewhat of their general pro-Apple bias. I guess it just proves that some of the Engadget writers are genuinely enthusiastic about tech and not just stuff made in Cupertino.
GSMArena, normally a beacon of decent reviews, seemed to get a bit too hung up on trying to compare it to the iPad whilst avoiding declaring one better than the other. That and criticising the price a lot.
They also mentioned issues like the screen having ghosting issues, which I just couldn't reproduce when I used the Tab.
There was a 'review' on the BBC site by one of their tech bloggers which was beyond pitiful.
It just compared web-browsing and playing videos but was so lacking in any genuine insight or intelligence that I would advise not wasting your time on it.
Then the review on BGR, that one really did annoy me.
The reviewer criticised the pixel density of the Tab compared to smartphones and criticised the screen as too small compared to the iPad whilst conveniently ignoring the iPad's poorer pixel density.
If I was being generous, I'd say the review just didn't 'get' the Tab but it smacked much more of pro-Apple bias IMO.
So, one good review, one in-depth but indecisive review, one non-review and one advert for the iPad...
However, reading a lot of the comments left on various sites in response to their reviews, I would say there is a definite lack of 'getting' out there.
A lot of people just don't seem to see the appeal or usefulness of the Tab, which is fair enough everyone's entitled to their opinion but like you Dave, I'm not convinced they've actually given the Tab a fair go before reaching that decision.
Read WIRED review
http://m.wired.com/reviews/2010/11/galaxy_tab/
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Read WIRED review
http://m.wired.com/reviews/2010/11/galaxy_tab/
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For those of us not on a mobile device: http://www.wired.com/reviews/2010/11/galaxy_tab/
well, comparing the tab with full fledge tablet will be useless
as i see it, tab is a phone that have tablet capabilities, considering they're still using FroYo which was a phone OS primarily
but when google OS for Tablet is ready in the market, and the tab get it, Ipad will get some rivalry from galaxy tab for sure, as Ipad cant be used as a phone, at all
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I would say that comparison to any other Android tablets or the iPad is far from useless as they're all running similarly-capable OSs.
True, comparison to something running, say, Win7 would be a bit of a waste of time but I fail to see why comparing a 7" Android tablet to a 10" Android tablet would be useless.
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as i see it, tab is a phone that have tablet capabilities
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And what, if you don't mind me asking, are 'tablet capabilities'?
My vibrant feels so small now.
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Step666 said:
I would say that comparison to any other Android tablets or the iPad is far from useless as they're all running similarly-capable OSs.
True, comparison to something running, say, Win7 would be a bit of a waste of time but I fail to see why comparing a 7" Android tablet to a 10" Android tablet would be useless.
And what, if you don't mind me asking, are 'tablet capabilities'?
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Well let me put my fair understanding on both devices.
IPAD ADV
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- Bigger Screen: More Space for applications, pleasant for the eye
- Brighter Screen
- Longer Battery Life
- Applications tailored just for IPAD
IPAD DISV
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- Heavy.. use on one hand for a long time is just not comfortable.
- Can't Make Call without Jail Breaking / Additional Support
- Bulky, It would mean that you have to carry a bag with you all the time.
- Most of the stuffs don't work in IPAD. e.q. Flash
This is critical for some reason and at least for now, most websites run flash: Videos or Games and it's extremely cumbersome to get the contents to be played on the IPAD. Tethering not working right out of the box (if i remember correctly)
- No support for widgets. why is this important? well, because it's a feature that enable us to glance through information easily or access certain function easily. Plus, it's beautiful and pleasing. Imagine, you want to check your Data Usage, all you have to do is open your screen and you know straight how many have you used instead of opening the program and do a check button again. >.<!!
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- Connectivity: you can make call, browsing using wifi or 3G.
- Light in size and pocket-able on most jeans or clothing.
- All in One? compared to IPAD, you will need an extra pair of device as a phone but with tab, you have it all.
- Device capable for honey comb & ginger bread.
- As android is open source, it's open to development and customization. This would mean that if samsung doesn't make SGT good enough for people, a team or someone can make that customization to provide more battery life, better interface etc.
SGT DISADV
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- Built on TFT technology.. which the screen is slightly distorted on certain angle.
- Compared to IPAD, the battery life sucks. However,
you get widgets, connectivity and multi tasking done right and still it's enough to be used as a daily phone / tablet.
- Not many application tailored for SGTab yet and my feeling about this is the future is a bit unknown .. With so many screen resolutions out. 7inch 8.9inch 10 inch.. it's just making it hard for developer to tailor the application but all in all, the android tablet coming to the market is definite so it's possible that the tailored applications will be growing steadily.
My Summary:
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While ipad offers better battery life, applications, screen and performance. It does have certain disadvantages such as lack of flash support, customization, calls and it's bulky. And for some who wish to have portability and entertainment on the GO, Tab is definitely superior than IPAD in many ways. However, taking apps into consideration, the Apps in IPAD is amazing simply because they are tailored. Android is still evolving. We will see more applications tailored for Android tablet size become available in the near future. Having said that i would say all in all, the pro and cons between these two devices is 50:50 and at the end of the day, it's up to your preference whether you want a device with good apps support but lack portability or you want one with all in and portable.
foxmeister said:
I'm the first in line to call a spare a spare (that would be "shovel a shovel" for our American cousins)...
Regards,
Dave
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I believe that should be "call a spade a spade" - for the non-Americans...
-Daniel
Why is everyone comparing to an IPAD...this isnt an IPAD! Forget the reviews....I can show you 100 reviews that say it's a fantastic device....ask the users....
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I believe that should be "call a spade a spade" - for the non-Americans...
-Daniel
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Curse predictive keyboards!
Dave
Sorry for my bad english.
Then my point of view :
The SGT is not the better yes i agree with that.
But for me the point of view is different for everybody. Why ? Because i buy my 'item' because all off my requested features are in my 'item'.
If you havn't yet, look up the review that carrypad has done.
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Why is everyone comparing to an IPAD...this isnt an IPAD! Forget the reviews....I can show you 100 reviews that say it's a fantastic device....ask the users....
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exactly. and also this flash nonsense always. yes we can do flash. but this is not the killer argument here.
this is a handy tablet with a nice os. thats it. and it can be used as a phone too.
it has a great speaker, which makes conference calls very nice.
widgets with that screen size rocks. gamings is brilliant on the device.
there is no need for comparison to some other device. this one is great.
Most of the reviews I've seen have been positive if not amazing, the Giz article is not an outstanding review or the best piece of journalism I've seen!
My iPad is a lounge device, my SGT is my RoadWarrior device. I wouldn't compare them as they fill 2 very different roles for me.
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I'm also not convinced by swype on a device of this size but I could be convinced, if I could have swype automatically in portrait and something else in landscape.
Regards,
Dave
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Hello have you try to use keyboardmanager on the market
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Hi Guys,
I am a big Android fan. I have Droid X and bought the Xoom the first day it came out. Was very happy with my Xoom untill my brother got the new IPAD2. It's lighter, thinner and the screen blows the Xoom screen, The Xoom screen colors are washed out, if you open the same image on both ipad and Xoom you will understand what I am talking about , its the contrast ratio ! I paid $800 plus tax for a device with mediocre screen and below average contrast ratio ! That's why Apple will stay the best and the top company as they don't compromise their quality and now even their price is unbeatable.
Also it was a big surprise that all the websites I browsed worked better on the Ipad browser. Engadget, Android central, and Cnet websites worked perfectly including the embedded Videos and I don't know how the video is playing while the Ipad does not have flash ? Managed to play the videos on my Xoom using the new flash 10.2 but it is not as clear and smooth and high resolutions as the ipad.
Friendly Facebook for ipad blows any Android app I ever seen, all other Apps including the new Weather bug for Honeycomb is not as good as the Ipads. Only the Pulse app is almost the same on both platforms.
Even though the Xoom resolution is higher, everything on the ipad looks smoother and much better with brilliant colors.
Now, I am not sure what is the thing that I can do with the Xoom and can't do it using the ipad. To be Frank I went back and checked my receipt to return the Xoom and buy an ipad but unfortunately I passed the 14 days return policy for Best Buy.
I wont sell it in Craigslist and loose some money, its a good tablet but I should not look at the ipad screen as it really irritates me.
Please drop a line with your thoughts
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I just farted.
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All I can say is be happy with what you have and stop comparing what you have to what you don't have.
There are just as many good points over the ipad as there are good points over the xoom. Get over it.
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Thanks for the advice
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ahmadddd said:
Also it was a big surprise that all the websites I browsed worked better on the Ipad browser. Engadget, Android central, and Cnet websites worked perfectly including the embedded Videos and I don't know how the video is playing while the Ipad does not have flash ? Managed to play the videos on my Xoom using the new flash 10.2 but it is not as clear and smooth and high resolutions as the ipad.
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When you sell 15 million iPads in 9 months and over 100 million iphones, websites generally will make sure their content plays kindly with your devices. All of those websites detect if you are on an iPad and display content that works well on the ipad (HTML5 video for example). Some websites go into a special ipad tablet mode when you go to them. I think the NYT does this. That is why Steve Jobsy says flash is unnecessary, because he has 115 million devices in the wild and he knows websites will do what they can to accommodate those users instead of potentially missing out on that giant block of traffic. That will not be changing this year when the iPad2 really takes off either.
Yup and frankly speaking HTML5 is much better as videos looked much better than our flash with less battery consumption and very smooth scrolling.
But the question is I thought that Honeycomb supports HTML 5 , so why we can't play the videos without flash and just like the ipad ?
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Sell it and get an iPad. Get what makes you happy. I'm fortunate, my wife and I currently have iPad 1s and I'm selling both of them. My wife is getting a new iPad 2 and I have a new Xoom. This way we have both in our house and I can use an ipad 2 whenever I feel like it (its actually my account so all my apps are on there anyway ).
Reality is, this religious war people have is freaking ridiculous. Just buy whatever makes you happy. One thing to note though about market share, last year when the iPhone 4 came out it blew away every Android phone on the market in benchmarks, specs, screen, apps, etc. and Apple was dominating the smartphone market.
Guess who's leading the smartphone market with leaps and bounds 1 year later?
mobilehavoc said:
Sell it and get an iPad. Get what makes you happy. I'm fortunate, my wife and I currently have iPad 1s and I'm selling both of them. My wife is getting a new iPad 2 and I have a new Xoom. This way we have both in our house and I can use an ipad 2 whenever I feel like it (its actually my account so all my apps are on there anyway ).
Reality is, this religious war people have is freaking ridiculous. Just buy whatever makes you happy. One thing to note though about market share, last year when the iPhone 4 came ut it blew away every Android phone on the market in benchmarks, specs, screen, apps, etc. and Apple was dominating the smartphone market.
Guess who's leading the smartphone market with leaps and bounds 1 year later?
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The power of a free people.
ahmadddd said:
Yup and frankly speaking HTML5 is much better as videos looked much better than our flash with less battery consumption and very smooth scrolling.
But the question is I thought that Honeycomb supports HTML 5 , so why we can't play the videos without flash and just like the ipad ?
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HTML5 video works on Android 2.3, however I don't know about Honeycomb. I set my user agent to iPad with Dolphin Browser HD and HTML5 video worked perfectly.
Edit: You don't even have to do this. Just try HTML5 only video websites. I assume the same should apply to Honeycomb as well, if not that would be odd... I don't think I'm going to be using Flash for a while actually, as long as the site supports HTML5.
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HTML5 video works on Android 2.3, however I don't know about Honeycomb. I set my user agent to iPad with Dolphin Browser HD and HTML5 video worked perfectly.
Edit: You don't even have to do this. Just try HTML5 video websites. I assume the same should apply to Honeycomb as well, if not that would be odd... I don't think I'm going to be using Flash for a while actually, as long as the site supports HTML5.
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i'm using dolphin HD browser and have it set on IPAD for user agent. works wonderfully..
too bad you can't switch user agents on IOS. shhh, don't tell the OP of this thread that you can do things like this on ANDROID.
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HTML5 video works on Android 2.3, however I don't know about Honeycomb. I set my user agent to iPad with Dolphin Browser HD and HTML5 video worked perfectly.
Edit: You don't even have to do this. Just try HTML5 video websites. I assume the same should apply to Honeycomb as well, if not that would be odd... I don't think I'm going to be using Flash for a while actually, as long as the site supports HTML5.
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i'm using dolphin HD browser and have it set on IPAD for user agent. works wonderfully..
too bad you can't switch user agents on IOS
Thanks for the.advise, tried it and it worked but provided that I disablebthe flash plugin the choose Ipad agent. The videos plays using the Xoom video player in a new full size page which is fine but still not like the ipad that can play the embedded video within the same page with a full screen option.
But if I enable the plugin it will use flash even if I choose Ipad agent.
Thanks again
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ryan562 said:
i'm using dolphin HD browser and have it set on IPAD for user agent. works wonderfully..
too bad you can't switch user agents on IOS. shhh, don't tell the OP of this thread that you can do things like this on ANDROID.
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Actually you can download browsers from the app store that support user agent switching.
albundy2010 said:
I just farted.
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Lololol
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Please drop a line with your thoughts
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Keep on rockin in the free world.
ahmadddd said:
That's why Apple will stay the best and the top company as they don't compromise their quality
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Are you kidding??
I would hardly call the iPad 2 a quality built device:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1114606
After seeing all the pics in that thread, and hearing that Apple Geniuses are telling people that all iPad 2's do this so it's normal, I wouldn't pay a hundred bucks for one. It's obvious from that thread just why the iPad has a good price. Apple used cheap parts and POOR quality control. I considered an iPad 2 to go with my Xoom, but not now...it's crap.
You sure that isn't just a manufacture error that will be fixed?
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Are you kidding??
I would hardly call the iPad 2 a quality built device:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1114606
After seeing all the pics in that thread, and hearing that Apple Geniuses are telling people that all iPad 2's do this so it's normal, I wouldn't pay a hundred bucks for one. It's obvious from that thread just why the iPad has a good price. Apple used cheap parts and POOR quality control. I considered an iPad 2 to go with my Xoom, but not now...it's crap.
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Wow that is really bad.
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I have both the Xoom & the iPad 2, and to be honest, I'm using the iPad 2 a lot more than the Xoom, design wise they both have their pros and cons, same thing with hardware and build quality, I do however like the design of the Xoom a bit more and i like the feel more than the iPad just seems like its better put together to me. As for the power button on the Xoom, I'm not sure why people hate it, coming from the Viewsonic Gtab & a variety of other chinese tablets I think the button is great, I've never accidently hit it before. Anyways, I've got my Xoom about 3 days after it launched and only played with it for about 2 days max, cause frankly the apps just aren't there yet since it is a new device after all and there are still lots of bugs to work out this I understand. I've never owned the original iPad and was on the fence about the iPad 2 until I saw the specs for it, the dual core processor was what sold me on the iPad 2. Since getting it on launch day, I haven't been able to put it down, great device (yes, i hate the stupid iPhone UI) but the apps are years a head of the android apps, I love tinkering and customizing my devices with custom roms etc, but I find for daily use right now, the iPad 2 is a much better device since it has so much app support right now. Of course this could all change in about 6-12 months when more developers make apps for Honeycomb. Still, I find the overall quality of iPad apps/iPhone apps are better than android apps. My only gripe with the iPad is the crappy screen resolution on the iPad, sure the IPS screen has better viewing angles then the Xoom screen, but when you're looking straight at it you can tell the Xoom screen looks much sharper because of the resolution, if only Apple increased the screen resolution.
Anyways, both great devices but like I said the only thing that sucks on the Xoom is the app support right now which should be fixed in a few months once more devices are available. Totally different platforms, anyways, in my opinion the Xoom probably wont do 1/10th of the iPad sales just because the mass market wont get this device. Cause at this moment the iPad 2 is a much better functioning device, browsing is easier, and smoother, no (atleast I haven't had one) forced closes, it just seems like a more complete device for the mass market and I really think apple is smart for having their tiered pricing. So don't expect any SD card slot or anythign like that, cause if they do add an SD Card slot, then there is no incentive for people to buy the 64GB version.
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You sure that isn't just a manufacture error that will be fixed?
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Well who knows? But more than a few users have commented in that thread saying the ipad 1 had the same issue but to a lesser degree and that apple never did fix it. They are now seriously worried that they won't fix it this time either. Look how apple reacted to the iphone 4 antenna issue. Maybe they should stop looking at the ipad2 that way At any rate I'm not risking my time and money on a device with a screen that looks like that.
I read this earlier today
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/an...f-baked-at-best/16905?tag=mantle_skin;content
Its a reality check.
Full Disclosure - I own a Samsung Captivate and LOVE it. Never owned a single apple product until I purchased the iPAD2 a few weeks ago. The current plan is to get the Transformer and sell the iPad on ebay. I am on pre-order on Amazon and Target.
After reading that zdnet article I am thinking about cancelling my preorder.
While I like tinkering with stuff (I rooted my Captivate and use Barnacle to make it a free AP for my wifi ipad) ... the fundamental issues with HComb kills my interest.
Here is a followup to the above article ...
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/dear-google-heres-your-roadmap-out-of-android-honeycomb-hell/16940
Wow. Well, let me just say that I like Honeycomb just fine. It's not perfect, but it's nowhere near as bad as this guy is letting on. In fact, I think it's pretty damn good overall. I think (and I rarely say this) he must have quite an investment in Apple stock.
Update: The guy referenced Mossberg's review of the G-Slate as representing another voice that agrees with him. However, while Mossberg doesn't like the G-Slate, he has generally good things to say about Honeycomb.
So, in short, the guy's full of ****, generally.
vulcan195 said:
I read this earlier today
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/an...f-baked-at-best/16905?tag=mantle_skin;content
Its a reality check.
Full Disclosure - I own a Samsung Captivate and LOVE it. Never owned a single apple product until I purchased the iPAD2 a few weeks ago. The current plan is to get the Transformer and sell the iPad on ebay. I am on pre-order on Amazon and Target.
After reading that zdnet article I am thinking about cancelling my preorder.
While I like tinkering with stuff (I rooted my Captivate and use Barnacle to make it a free AP for my wifi ipad) ... the fundamental issues with HComb kills my interest.
Here is a followup to the above article ...
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/dear-google-heres-your-roadmap-out-of-android-honeycomb-hell/16940
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Erma ...... 24 hours in and I've found honeycomb no more buggy than early froyo of gingerbread ........ found a few bugs but they are mostly software rather the os.
I believe even the 'mighty' iPhone 4 had a few teething problems ...... like not being able to make calls!?
The point is that technology is moving fast. You are either an early adopter (and therefore tolerant of a few quirks) or a late adopter living with last years tech.
Either is good. Just take your pick ..... early or late .....
i wouldnt change your mind because of one or two articles, ive owned ipads in my time and sold them all, mainly because its not "your"tablet so to speak
Got my AsusTF yesterday and it took all of about 1 hour to feel at home with the device, yes it operates differently to froyo and Gbread (own a galaxy s hacked to bits) but in all fairness it works pretty well imho.
Yes you get the odd force close, and yep a few apps just wont work but the majority do and pretty well.
Multitasking is the best ive seen on this type of device, the hardware is tops, the screen (if you get a good one lol) is ace, it nevers drops a connection, has great battery life and the gps is pretty damn accurate and fast, can the ipad wifi version do that? nope.
Overall im more than happy with the tf and trust me if i dont like an item within a few hours it goes on ebay, however this is a keeper i think.
And for christ sake yes the market can be random at times but never had a failed install like he claims, but seeing as the first pieces of hardware containing honeycomb have only just been released its unfair to state there are not enough apps, give it a few months and the market will be flooded.
Sounds like the guy was having an off day to be honest lol
And in all fairness the majority of people on xda will nearly always be beta testers as he puts it, but with devices running how we want them and pushed to the max, in theory what we have at the moment is a freshly plastered brick wall, just waiting for us to slap whatever we want on it how WE see fit and create a canvas we like, cant say that about the ipad!
If you let online articles sway your purchases, then you deserve exactly what you get.
I'm sorry but as a honeycomb user I can see that those articles are a load of rubbish. He complains that barely no apps work without crashing and that the market doesn't work which is odd as it is completely against what I have seen with huge numbers of apps working installed from the market. The second article goes on about a lack of experience at google - as if the developers and designers there had never worked on anything like an os before and that there is no way developers can read and learn from the development of other operating systems (a load of rubbish, just like the rest of the content in those articles).
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If his point is that Honeycomb appeals to a different kind of user then the ipad, well ... duh. If you want something you can hand to grandma and have her launching apps in a few seconds, by all means, go iPad.Honeycomb and Android in general require more work from the user to customize the experience, and Honeycomb definitely requires more patience due to its rawness, and that is pretty well known at this point. So if you buy a Transformer expecting an iPad, I will gladly take one off anyones hands because I know several folks dying to jump in.
I hope you've had a chance to read other reviews and hear first impressions from users here on xda. The zdnet articles are one persons opinion. I've had my Transformer for about 48 hours and I am absotely thrilled with the tablet! I Love Honeycomb and have had a great experience so far. Also, keep in mind the price difference... that article is based on the Xoom... without an IPS screen, lighter and at $399 like the TF.
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I came from 2.3 and 2.2. I bought the transformer FOR the ultimate honeycomb experience
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I am digging honeycomb so far. Yes every so often it gets a little choppy here and there. I've had more force closes when I bought an ipad 1 at release than I've had with honeycomb, and you can do so much more, like use a keyboard you actually like nor the one Steve tells you is the right one.
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ryude said:
If you let online articles sway your purchases, then you deserve exactly what you get.
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And aren't you doing the same thing by trying to dissuade someone from being dissuaded......online?
I had read the article and never experienced the problems with Honeycomb which Jason Perlow had. With any 1st generation Honeycomb tablets there are going to be a few software issues but these should be fixed with downloadable updates.
I thought that this was a blogger trying to generate a story rather than a proper review of Honeycomb or the Xoom.
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And aren't you doing the same thing by trying to dissuade someone from being dissuaded......online?
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Point is he's allowing one article to change his mind. There are plenty of reviews out there that state HC is a work in progress, and the ride is bumpy right now. If he'd read more articles/reviews and stated that he'd done his research and HC was not for him, then great, happy trails and enjoy the iPad, it's a neat device. But taking one person's opinion and saying, "Well, that seals it!" is a little rash.
At least that's how I took the guy's response about letting an article change your mind.
The article author acts like google will never update honeycomb lol
Google IO is coming up, and i am sure they will announce an update to honeycomb
(Adobe already hinted)
I think honeycomb is great, but the lack of tablet apps does suck, i agree with that
But remember that Honeycomb only was released 4 months ago, it will pick up soon
worst article ever.
go online and 80-90% of articles have a POSITIVE review on honeycomb.
does honeycomb has it's issues? hell yes. but so did android 1.0, 1.5, and 1.6. and hell even the latest versions of android and iOS have issues.
is honeycomb beta? yeah, but so was android, and still is.
I've had a decent amount of force closes in the browser and have had to force a shut down a couple times, but honestly, i still love the tablet and i love honeycomb because honeycomb is an ACTUAL tablet OS, where as the ipad is nothing more than an oversized iphone, with less quality.
Honeycomb will get better. and The transformer is an amazing deal and well worth the buy.
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The article author acts like google will never update honeycomb lol
Google IO is coming up, and i am sure they will announce an update to honeycomb
(Adobe already hinted)
I think honeycomb is great, but the lack of tablet apps does suck, i agree with that
But remember that Honeycomb only was released 4 months ago, it will pick up soon
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I agree it will be nice to get some apps that explicitly take advantage of the bigger screen, but unlike the iPad (I have owned one since they came out in the UK), Android phone apps generally work well on the tablets. On iPad upscaled apps were dreadfully pixellated in the 2x zoom mode, or ridiculous looking floating in the middle of the screen with huge boarders. For the honeycomb tablets, the apps can look a little spaced out, but they generally look fine and work well. More to the point, they often just take advantage of the additional space seamlessly.
My problem is with the comparison between the stability of the iPad's iOS with Honeycomb.
iOS is literally a homescreen. Without apps it is nothing; with apps it's just a wallpaper with hundreds of tiles barfed up onto a few scrolling pages. So yes, Scrolling between the pages can be butter smooth, but it's like saying "I can swim through this water faster than you can swim through that custard." since Honeycomb stands on its own even without any additional applications, and even the home app is 3-Dimensionally oriented with multiple widgets constantly fetching data and displaying animations, and animated wallpapers.
I also hate people comparing Honeycomb tablets with the iPad 2, since Honeycomb is a year behind Apple, so we should compare both initial releases. I remember reading reviews for the original iPad and while people swooned over the revolutionary and magical product (sarcasm), the unbiased reviewers complained about the lack of apps for a long time, the constant crashing, the sluggishness, so Google has done a fantastic Job of competing with the second iPad with their first attempt.
Edit: It's also much easier for apple to write software for 1 set of hardware, where Android has to accommodate for varying specifications (screen size, RAM, [currently only Tegra 2 is supported {I think} but more with be added], Screen type, varying resolutions, different peripherals etc, which is bound to take longer to iron out and will probably never reach the same efficiency.
DISCLAIMER: I am by no means a Fandroid, and I think Google's biggest flaw is that they don't completely fix problems before adding some new shiny feature, adding even more bugs. While I love the new features, I can't stand thinking how efficient Android would be if they spent a longer time fixing things, rather than releasing NEARLY-finished features.
This guy's arguments are outdated and full of hyperbole. Don't listen to him.
You expect there to be a certain level of polish and maturity on the software in a $600.00 consumer device. The problem is, there’s nothing at all polished about a Honeycomb tablet.
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Now, there are cheaper tablets with similar hardware: the Acer Iconia, Asus Transformer, and the upcoming galaxy tab. Nothing at all polished? Hyperbole! Plenty of things feel polished to me. Simple, intuitive multitasking. Awesome built-in apps. Easy and intuitive way of adding widgets. I could go on and on.
On the first page of the article, he only makes a single argument that isn't just ranting (it's still full of hyperbole, however):
While there are well over 100,000 applications available for Android, 99.99 percent of them are not properly optimized to run at the higher screen resolution on Honeycomb tablets.
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First thing: he can't do math. 99.99 percent is 99990. 100000-99990=10. Is he seriously saying there are only 10 tablet apps optimized for honeycomb? He's got to be kidding me. I know the math isn't the point, but this immediately shows what kind of writer he is.
However plenty just plain crash, do weird and strange unexpected things, have UI elements placed in unusual or unusable areas, or just refuse to install... This issue is made even worse by the fact that the re-vamped Android Market on Honeycomb is just plain broken. It blows up constantly and fails to install applications at least half of the time.
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Again, BS and exaggeration. Most apps work great. I've only had a couple force closes. Nothing beyond the norm: even my iPod touch apps kill themselves without warning (battleheart, infinity blade...etc.). His argument about the market has some merit: it had some hiccups yesterday with the "see more details" bug, and it does occasionally fc. But he's exaggerating again: the market doesn't blow up constantly or fail to install apps. On the contrary, I've had a pleasant experience with it: the layout is nicely optimized for tablets, apps have installed on first click, and the market rarely "blows up."
Just trying to wrap my head around the way and where the menus are supposed to show up in Honeycomb and where UI and control elements are buried gives me a headache, and it doesn’t behave the way I expect it to.
By comparison, if you give an iPad to someone who has been using iPhones or iPod Touches, they’ll know exactly how it’s supposed to work.
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Are you serious? It's not difficult at all to figure out how it works. By now, a lot of my friends have used my tablet. They have had no problem whatsoever. I suspect his problems come from the shifting menu button. Here, let me spell it out for you: on a tablet-optimized app, menu button is in the top right. Otherwise, it will be on the bottom left.
In conclusion, take his arguments with 99 truckloads of salt.
That moving menu button does annoy the hell out of me, though...
Google needs to pick a part of the screen and make sure it sticks there whether it's a HC app or not.
I'll touch on everyone elses points im sure with this but here goes:
That was a funny read. Love the way they compare success to number of units sold, rather than actual revenue made from overall sales.
While honeycomb is still in it's infancy, it's come a long way in a few short months. Unfortunately some people don't seem to realise that with more options and customisation of a device, the more problems can arise. Having a fixed OS that is locked down will of course always be smoother than one which is open, as there are less things to test and make compatible with each other.
I've always seen apple products as something you can just pick up, it will work first time, it has simple controls, but it will do a basic job. Things have improved over the years in making it feel a bit more advanced though to be fair.
With android devices, and honeycomb, I see more options to customise, and more options to explore, with a freedom to basically do whatever you want, only limited by the hardware.
At the end of the day, they are quite different beasts for different people. I guess i'm a google-ite, as I see their approach to their work as inspirational. It seems as if they are willing to experiment more, and release their work freely for others to edit or grow on top of. They're not focussed on sales figures, more a method of growth to show off and expand on people's creative sides. Of course it's all about public image, apple always seems to be quite greedy in trying to make money from every little thing, and google makes their money by cleverly hiding it in the background with advertising etc.
I've had both apple and android devices btw. Liking honeycomb more than I thought I would. I've not had a Xoom and maybe they really are as crap as he says they are. Just glad I have the transformer.
I use my N7 mostly for entertainment purposes, browsing the web and such. Why is it that my 6 year old single core obsolete winXP netbook can consistently out perform my my souped up 4 core tegra Nexus 7 in every respect???????????????
You're joking right... -_-
your device must be faulty then. it runs utterly butterly smooth here. don't even want to use my macbook pro compared to using the nexus depending on what i am looking for.
if you like your netbook, why bother with a nexus then. at least the nexus doesn't get bluescreens
btw: it's always nice to put a good thread title to make people able to see what you are looking for, even if they don't want to enter the thread...
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your device must be faulty then. it runs utterly butterly smooth here. don't even want to use my macbook pro compared to using the nexus depending on what i am looking for.
if you like your netbook, why bother with a nexus then. at least the nexus doesn't get bluescreens
btw: it's always nice to put a good thread title to make people able to see what you are looking for, even if they don't want to enter the thread...
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didnt say i like my netbook better, love the nexus. I challenge you to view www.washingtonpost.com on your macbook vs. your nexus and see which performs better.
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You're joking right... -_-
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patterone said:
didnt say i like my netbook better, love the nexus. I challenge you to view www.washingtonpost.com on your macbook vs. your nexus and see which performs better.
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And you're basing this whole "thought" of your netbook being faster on which loads a webpage better? Thats not an issue with the hardware, its more what web browser your are using on both. Even then mobile versions of full scale browsers are not the same. I just tested this with my Quadcore laptop at 2ghz compared to my N7. They both loaded at the same relative speed. You also have to factor in connection strength. The netbook will obviously have the better range distance while the N7 will have a weaker signal. I get my full 30Mbps on my latpop in my room whereas my N7 gets roughly 22mbps. You may want to base your "thoughts" on something a little more credible than loading a webpage next time.
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And you're basing this whole "thought" of your netbook being faster on which loads a webpage better? Thats not an issue with the hardware, its more what web browser your are using on both. Even then mobile versions of full scale browsers are not the same. I just tested this with my Quadcore laptop at 2ghz compared to my N7. They both loaded at the same relative speed. You also have to factor in connection strength. The netbook will obviously have the better range distance while the N7 will have a weaker signal. I get my full 30Mbps on my latpop in my room whereas my N7 gets roughly 22mbps. You may want to base your "thoughts" on something a little more credible than loading a webpage next time.
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thanks for your reply. I am not trying to be "credible" or "definitive" with my post, just making some empirical observations over the course of hours of N7 use. It is not based as you say on "a webpage". Its my sum total experience of web surfing with all of the top android browsers. My comparisons are with my wireless ap right adjacent to the N7 and netbook. Anyway, thanks for your input and running the comparison.
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thanks for your reply. I am not trying to be "credible" or "definitive" with my post, just making some empirical observations over the course of hours of N7 use. It is not based as you say on "a webpage". Its my sum total experience of web surfing with all of the top android browsers. My comparisons are with my wireless ap right adjacent to the N7 and netbook. Anyway, thanks for your input and running the comparison.
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Then next time dont make it so ludacris. "OMGZ MY N7 IS SLOW COMPARED TO MY NETBOOK" Is not the way to ask things let alone your vague title. Better question would be "Why is my netbook better at web surfing than my N7?" There are still too many factors to justify it fairly. Both using different OS's as well as web browsing software. And im sure the laptop has the site cached if you visit that site more often. So does the android browser but obviously not as efficiently. In my experience my laptop has always been faster, but its not as convenient. My laptop is quite a nuisance to carry around so the N7 would obviously be the choice.
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Then next time dont make it so ludacris. "OMGZ MY N7 IS SLOW COMPARED TO MY NETBOOK" Is not the way to ask things let alone your vague title. Better question would be "Why is my netbook better at web surfing than my N7?" There are still too many factors to justify it fairly. Both using different OS's as well as web browsing software. And im sure the laptop has the site cached if you visit that site more often. So does the android browser but obviously not as efficiently. In my experience my laptop has always been faster, but its not as convenient. My laptop is quite a nuisance to carry around so the N7 would obviously be the choice.
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comon, lets be fair. I did not say "OMGZ MY N7 IS SLOW COMPARED TO MY NETBOOK" i simply relayed my experience.
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comon, lets be fair. I did not say "OMGZ MY N7 IS SLOW COMPARED TO MY NETBOOK" i simply relayed my experience.
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Might as well..
Why is it that my 6 year old single core obsolete winXP netbook can consistently out perform my my souped up 4 core tegra Nexus 7 in every respect???????????????
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Try playing a 1080p H264 MKV video on your obsolete XP netbook..yeah, let me know how it goes.
mvmacd said:
Try playing a 1080p H264 MKV video on your obsolete XP netbook..yeah, let me know how it goes.
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if accessed via a web link, the netbook will finish the video before the N7 renders the page
if youre using the chrome browser, try using the aosp android browser.. its MUCH faster and smoother.
patterone said:
if accessed via a web link, the netbook will finish the video before the N7 renders the page
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The nexus 7 doesn't have to "render the page," you're obviously a n00b or a troll.
This isn't a forum for trolls, if you don't like the Nexus 7, get rid of it instead of making useless threads [There are already threads addressing "lag" problems].
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The nexus 7 doesn't have to "render the page," you're obviously a n00b or a troll.
This isn't a forum for trolls, if you don't like the Nexus 7, get rid of it instead of making useless threads [There are already threads addressing "lag" problems].
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the N7 certainly does render web pages. you must be a nuube or a troll. Take a moment to learn how browsers and OS's work. your useless post is not helpful or appreciated. Why would you feel the need to bring your "cyber bullying" attitude into the discussion. I asked a reasonable question in a "questions forum" based on my experience with a netbook and the N7 side by side . Never said i didnt like the nexus. People made thoughtful responses until you blundered in. Take your vitriol elsewhere.
Amazing. A lot of beating on the guy, yet NO ONE has even tried to answer his question. Typical.
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Amazing. A lot of beating on the guy, yet NO ONE has even tried to answer his question. Typical.
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thanks, ya i don't get it. I have advanced degrees in computer science and years of experience running internet tech organizations, but am the first to admit i don't know it all. Wanted to throw the question out to see what people think. There's a lot of school yard attitudes running amok in these forums. Was just hoping to learn something. good day.
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There's a lot of school yard attitudes running amok in these forums.
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That's probably due to the fact that these forums are full of teenagers and college kids. However, your original post doesn't stray too far from some of the stupid threads these kids make.
To somewhat address your question: You've got 2 entirely different operating systems running 2 entirely different browsers on 2 different CPU architectures. I'm sure from that you could gather that due to various software limitations and the fact that Android is a mobile OS not originally designed for tablet use, it shouldn't surprise you that a full fledged desktop OS will outperform it in certain areas, even with old hardware.
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Amazing. A lot of beating on the guy, yet NO ONE has even tried to answer his question. Typical.
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I answered twice...
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That's probably due to the fact that these forums are full of teenagers and college kids. However, your original post doesn't stray too far from some of the stupid threads these kids make.
To somewhat address your question: You've got 2 entirely different operating systems running 2 entirely different browsers on 2 different CPU architectures. I'm sure from that you could gather that due to various software limitations and the fact that Android is a mobile OS not originally designed for tablet use, it shouldn't surprise you that a full fledged desktop OS will outperform it in certain areas, even with old hardware.
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The original post was not "stupid".
"it shouldn't surprise you that a full fledged desktop OS will outperform it ...." That is exactly my point, it does surprise me. I have studied the google android design philosophy briefings and the awesome N7 architecture, and see no reason why an old windoze netbook can compete with it. That was the motivation for my post.