should i use task killer or not. some say it slows down the mobile or eats more battery.. pls help
Just don't use it. There's an app called watchdog which works better, according to me.
Are this apps necessary to free memory or its just a gimmick
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No, Android will manage all of your memory for you. You do NOT need a task killer.
AWBob is right.
Task killer is not needed and actually can give the opposite effect from what you want it to do.....
Android is capable to manage memory (in addition, DHD has a lot of memory )
niks_5in said:
should i use task killer or not. some say it slows down the mobile or eats more battery.. pls help
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I am no technogeekexpert
but Advanced Task Killer works just fine for me. Just leaving everything running slowed my Evo down enough to make it a satisfying. and feasible option.
Don't use it. It is not needed. Check the detailed info here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=769735
Then how will we able to free RAM .
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Maybe this article helps you
By default, every application runs in its own Linux process. Android starts the process when any of the application’s code needs to be executed, and shuts down the process when it’s no longer needed and system resources are required by other applications.
A content provider is active only while it’s responding to a request from a ContentResolver. And a broadcast receiver is active only while it’s responding to a broadcast message. So there’s no need to explicitly shut down these components.
Activities, on the other hand, provide the user interface. They’re in a long-running conversation with the user and may remain active, even when idle, as long as the conversation continues. Similarly, services may also remain running for a long time. So Android has methods to shut down activities and services in an orderly way:
An activity can be shut down by calling its finish() method. One activity can shut down another activity (one it started with startActivityForResult()) by calling finishActivity().
A service can be stopped by calling its stopSelf() method, or by calling Context.stopService().
Components might also be shut down by the system when they are no longer being used or when Android must reclaim memory for more active components.
If the user leaves a task for a long time, the system clears the task of all activities except the root activity. When the user returns to the task again, it’s as the user left it, except that only the initial activity is present. The idea is that, after a time, users will likely have abandoned what they were doing before and are returning to the task to begin something new
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Then how will we able to free RAM .
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You don't need free RAM, this isn't windows it doesn't perform better with free RAM, if you kill tasks to free RAM, android will probably re-open them again. Task killers will break your system, young children will laugh and point at you for using them, and support for any problems will consist of remove your task killer then come back and talk. Don't do it kids you know it makes sense
Oh man chill
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You don't need free RAM, this isn't windows it doesn't perform better with free RAM, if you kill tasks to free RAM, android will probably re-open them again. Task killers will break your system, young children will laugh and point at you for using them, and support for any problems will consist of remove your task killer then come back and talk. Don't do it kids you know it makes sense
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rofl, nice bit of scouse wit
HI,
As I don't want that children laughing at me and throwing some little rocks on me let me ask THE silly (or not ?) question :
is autokiller* as bad as the other "taskiller" ?
I've read that this app was "not like the others" but hey... devs who want to stick their apps in my phone are a bit like mens trying to stick something else .. somewhere else :
"I'm really not like the others baby..."
so... where is the truth ?
(as usual : I'm a French writing a pain-full English to read, sorry)
*too young here to post link, look for autokiller-memory-optimizer on appbrain
gregaste said:
HI,
As I don't want that children laughing at me and throwing some little rocks on me let me ask THE silly (or not ?) question :
is autokiller* as bad as the other "taskiller" ?
I've read that this app was "not like the others" but hey... devs who want to stick their apps in my phone are a bit like mens trying to stick something else .. somewhere else :
"I'm really not like the others baby..."
so... where is the truth ?
(as usual : I'm a French writing a pain-full English to read, sorry)
*too young here to post link, look for autokiller-memory-optimizer on appbrain
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autokiller doesn't actually kill anything.. it allows you to change the default values set in android's internal memory management. it's more like an interface for android's internal memory manager.
I've replaced ATK with auto killer and I think that it is a positive change. My device feels faster en it looks like it runs smoother.
I think this is a great thread which helps me beter understand the memory handling within Android. For now auto killer looks like a charm to me, and has more benefit than ATK.
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MANY RECOMMEND TO GET RID OF VIDEOLAG USE TASK MANAGER
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I am using rockplayer lite withour any video lag. Have played movies which are more than 1.4 GB withour any problems.
I am on LeeDroid 2.3.4 BETA 4 R2.
I used all the time ATK, but after reading this thread I have uninstalled it.
I give android a chance to manage the memory itself.
Thanks for this post.
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MANY RECOMMEND TO GET RID OF VIDEOLAG USE TASK MANAGER
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Who is many and is he a half wit? Better to use watchdog to kill apps using too much cpu in the background in this instance. A task killer will not help.
--- I am geek. Hear me squeek. ---
I am talking about lag during video recording
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What's going on? even after using advanced task killer, I only have around 200MB RAM free from the 512MB
What is eating up all my RAM?
It doesn't make sense that the OS requires 300MB of RAM to run, since it runs on devices with 128MB
I know I'm not the only one seeing this
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Yeah, whats up with this????
After a reboot and letting it sit for a minute, I kill all tasks and it tells me 237Megs available....
Can the system be using all of that or something???
The os could be caching ram, maybe like windows 7 does now where it always shows low free ram even when it isn't truly in use. We need a linux or android expert to chime in.
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Precaching photos for your contacts and their info and other photos in terms of widgets.
Droid X probably has some aggressive precaching.
Its pretty damn fast and everything runs great so i don't care too much how much it sais is free.
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Yet it seems like nobody has thought to precache the app icons in the launcher. The launcher has always been the most lag-prone part of any android phone.
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Its pretty damn fast and everything runs great so i don't care too much how much it sais is free.
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Right there with ya ; )
yes this phone has 512mb of ram, but the hardware in the phone makes alot of that ram dedicated to it, hardware such as the awesome gpu! so even 200mb free! is still alot let over.
Ryan Frawley said:
Yet it seems like nobody has thought to precache the app icons in the launcher. The launcher has always been the most lag-prone part of any android phone.
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Only takes a second and they may have aimed for a limit.
I assume froyo may help with this...i hope! Im dropping down into the 50s will normal use and if i kill everything i can get back up to about 120s. there is a little lag on scrolling but ill wait for froyo. loving my first android!
I'm hovering around 75 or so, with mild auto task killing. Is this something to be concerned about? It feels relatively smooth.
EDIT: Will auto-killing tasks (useless ones) improve battery life or hurt it by wasting cpu cycles? I've heard that task killers aren't good for Android, and yet I also hear that they can improve battery life if used properly. I figure XDA will have a few people who can help answer that question
which tasks can you kill?
i wanted to know which tasks can be killed with my auto task killer without messing up anything with the phone? thanks.
Mikerrrrrrrr said:
I've heard that task killers aren't good for Android, and yet I also hear that they can improve battery life if used properly.
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Unless you're running apps that are poorly designed and behaving badly, you probably won't see any benefits from using a task killer.
Looking for some advice please.
I am currenty using ES Task Manager to control apps and tasks, and kill whatever necessary. But wanted to know if anyone has used anything better, and had experience of using my current one.
Any advise or suggestions would be great.
Cheers
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sammyb0210 said:
Looking for some advice please.
I am currenty using ES Task Manager to control apps and tasks, and kill whatever necessary. But wanted to know if anyone has used anything better, and had experience of using my current one.
Any advise or suggestions would be great.
Cheers
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Yes, there is a better task manager.
Just go to Settings>Applications>Manage applications
find ES Task Manager, click on it and then select Uninstall.
Then you will be running the latest version of No F**** Task Manager
which should do miracles on your phone, along with your OCD on killing applications, only to see them pop up again seconds later,
because that's just how the Android works.
No offence! Nothing personal here,
I am just tired of arguing with people over the same matter.
Before opening a new thread, make a search!
As far as task managers are concerned, look here.
It's a long article but totally worth reading.
I've been where you are when I bought my first Android device,
it's only natural.
But, right now I am not using any task management/killing application on my X10 and I am more than happy with its performance.
Let alone, more relaxed that I don't just have-to-kill applications in a robotic and manic way!
Cheers!
Very helpful read, thank you very much for the link.
I will take the advice and let the phone do all the hardwork.
After all it is a 'Smart Phone'
Thanks anyway!!
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I agree with My_Inmortal (love that song!). I been using es task manager and others app killers, and since I unintall them my phone seems to work nicer. And I do not worry now abuot apps running in the backgound or my free ram. I just let the phone do it for me and it's great. I was going mad pushing the widget 20 times per day and watching which apps were running... Now I don't care and everything is Ok. Even my health, LOL
+ 1 on both if those comments.. I've not been using task managers or startup managers for a couple of months now.. And both me and the phone are better without them!
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Well, that's only half the truth.
Android's auto killing feature performs very well.
But only as long as the Apps are coded correctly.
But there are several Apps, that have no "exit" button to end them manually. So they are working on in the background.
I for example make use of the autokilling features of an App called "Task Manager" and modified the App autostart behavior with "Autostarts".
Voila, the battery gained about 40% Standby.
Autokilling is also nice for the Apps _with_ Exit button, on which I forgot to exit them...
So there is no "Use an Autokiller" or "Don't use an Autokiller".
It depends on the individual used Apps and how Android is treated.
McKebapp said:
Well, that's only half the truth.
Android's auto killing feature performs very well.
But only as long as the Apps are coded correctly.
But there are several Apps, that have no "exit" button to end them manually. So they are working on in the background.
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You are better off without that kind of apps anyway.
And if you didn't exit an app, after some period of inactivity, the system will shut it down.
Look here, I am using all these apps: http://www.appbrain.com/user/iridaki/apps-on-the-x10i
and not a single one of them is causing my phone any problems at all.
Free RAM is wasted RAM on Android, there is absolutely no point in obsessing about it.
Of course, having a task manager won't harm your phone, but auto or continuously manually killing will.
Period.
I was no talking about battery gain. Maybe you're right at this point. But for me, my phone works better since i don't have it. And i just killed apps i did not use, like moxier, photoshop, etc. Don't know why, but now works nicer.
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I was no talking about battery gain. Maybe you're right at this point. But for me, my phone works better since i don't have it. And i just killed apps i did not use, like moxier, photoshop, etc. Don't know why, but now works nicer.
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Don't mean to be a [email protected] in the @ss, but if you cannot define "nicer",
then it proves nothing!
It could be a placebo effect from the very well know Moxier-obsession!
Anyway, there are facts and then there is user experience.
Eveybody feels different and is entitled to use his phone any way he feels like.
But the facts are still facts.
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Don't mean to be a [email protected] in the @ss, but if you cannot define "nicer",
then it proves nothing!
It could be a placebo effect from the very well know Moxier-obsession!
Anyway, there are facts and then there is user experience.
Eveybody feels different and is entitled to use his phone any way he feels like.
But the facts are still facts.
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Well i meant my phone does not lag or get stuck anymore since i don't use task killers. Maybe i was doing something wrong, but i don't think it's only my impression.
PS: sorry if I cannot explain it clearer, my enghlish it not good enough
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Well i meant my phone does not lag or get stuck anymore since i don't use task killers. Maybe i was doing something wrong, but i don't think it's only my impression.
PS: sorry if I cannot explain it clearer, my enghlish it not good enough
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Your english are perfect!
Hi all,
I have had my DHD for abit over a month now and love it, although it is very laggy now. The camera is attrocious (order of 10 seconds or more to take a photo), the contacts list takes about the same amount of time to load up. In general opening apps etc. is very slow.
This is after i have already enabled usb debugging.
Is there some way i can work out whats causing this lag? and fix it? its extremely annoying and dissapointing.
I already have a couple of task killers that clean the cache and kill apps every 20 min or so.
Any help is much appreciated.
Cheers
I'm by no means an expert, but I do know (from experience and reading on here) that using task killers is the dumbest idea ever on Android.. Not only does it not make any sense, as Android manages the ram better than any task killer is able to, it also sucks battery and is actually often the source of MORE lag..
DelLoce said:
I'm by no means an expert, but I do know (from experience and reading on here) that using task killers is the dumbest idea ever on Android.. Not only does it not make any sense, as Android manages the ram better than any task killer is able to, it also sucks battery and is actually often the source of MORE lag..
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I agree. However, I find that running a task kill right before attempting to shoot 720P video removes the occasional stutter-bug with afflicts the DHD from time to time.
Don't keep task killers on auto mode . Use it when required
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solution:
uninstall all of the task killer apps
let android do the task killing itself
What about stopping an app from starting up at boot can anyone recommend anything?
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which processes cause the lag?
Very often such a lag may be caused by a process running wild. Please use a task manager to verify which task uses a suspicious amount of CPU! There are plenty of them, I can recommend SystemPanelLite by NextApp as a start.
Please take into consideration that Android is designed very efficient and aware of low memory conditions (and the DHD has over 750 MB!), and that it should not be reasonable to use a task killer at all, despite the situations where a certain task has gone insane, which has to be killed then.
Best regards,
arpy
I stopped my DHD's lag when I stopped using live wallpapers. Seems to have done the trick for now.
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Hi.
So im wondering if someone has a solution for the programs that autostart in the background?
The programs that i have in my list that is unnessesary is:
Setup Guide. (why would you want it running?)
Maps (starts randomly and takes memory)?
Media server (also starts randomly, Maby its something like a sd card media scanner?)
Would like my memory back that theese programs steals from me!
try Advanced Task Killer
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try Advanced Task Killer
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Well they start again all the time for no reason. I'd guess everyone has the same thing?
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hargibi said:
Well they start again all the time for no reason. I'd guess everyone has the same thing?
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You do not have to worry about them because they are not using any CPU
check battery information and you'll see that they don't appear to cause any problems
if you are using Advanced task killer then exclude them instead of killing them, because it will use a lot of CPU every time they start up again
Aaaaaarrgrrrrggghhhhhh.... You only need worry about CPU hogs.. not Memory.. android will clear the memory they use if it needs it.
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Aaaaaarrgrrrrggghhhhhh.... You only need worry about CPU hogs.. not Memory.. android will clear the memory they use if it needs it.
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ok to be honest, I dont care how many times you write out that android will clear memory for others programs. Ive seen this line beeing used more times i can say android in one day.
Ive experienced in real life that the more memory i got free, the faster apps open. Apps run smoother and so on.
Sorry about beeing rude, i dont really mean it. Im just trying to state facts about my experience with android
Anyhow i would guess we need a rooted device to completly remove theese apps from starting at all?
Happy weekend all
hargibi said:
ok to be honest, I dont care how many times you write out that android will clear memory for others programs. Ive seen this line beeing used more times i can say android in one day.
Ive experienced in real life that the more memory i got free, the faster apps open. Apps run smoother and so on.
Sorry about beeing rude, i dont really mean it. Im just trying to state facts about my experience with android
Anyhow i would guess we need a rooted device to completly remove theese apps from starting at all?
Happy weekend all
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I recommend you installing "Active apps" to check active applications, once installed you'll understand what Iceman is talking about
You claim you have experience with Android, is this experience gained from 2.3 or prior versions?
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Its definitley true about android clearing out the memory it needs. Ive found if im down to around 40 ish free memory and start a game such as nova, if I end it immediately I usually have around 100 free
diggedy said:
Its definitley true about android clearing out the memory it needs. Ive found if im down to around 40 ish free memory and start a game such as nova, if I end it immediately I usually have around 100 free
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If more memory is necessary to run a program (e.g. nova), unneeded programs are deleted/swapped from memory. This is done all the time.
So think about the fastest way:
- free ram with taskkiller, start new program
- start new program and let android free ram
I would wonder, if you're faster with taskkiller
Hello Everyone,
I'm well aware of the damage that a task manager can do to an Android phone, as well as the changes in the Android SDK for Android 2.2 and later which makes most of the task managers on the Android Market obsolete, but one thing caught my attention, this app called Autokiller Memory Optimiser.
According to some posts I've read on some of the forums, Autokiller justs tweaks Android's minfree values so that Android can kill tasks more efficiently or something like that.
Is this true or should I steer clear of this app?
And did I post this in the right sub-forum?
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I used a few different auto memory apps and have always found that my phone seems slower with them, uses more battery and I have less memory. So I just let android take care of me
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The only 'task killer type' application that I have used is Watchdog Lite.
I use it to monitor rogue applications that use excess system resources while running in the background.
It does use some system resources to do the monitoring but its nice to know when a background app is going out of control and hogging resources.
Android manages memory on its own, task killers are a waste of time. Unless you have a specific problem you need to troubleshoot with a poorly written app hogging app for no good reason (as mentioned above), I would not bother with them. Task killers waste resources, and can cause more issues then they solve.
http://lifehacker.com/5650894/android-task-killers-explained-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them
Someone posted recently that a task killer was making his G2 power off randomly. He uninstalled the task killer, and the problem vanished.
The app that the op is posting about isn't a task killer. It modifies the system values/thresholds for when to kill stuff and flush memory and all that happy crap I don't really understand. I am guessing it would depend on the rom and how the dev have the values set to begin with. Just a guess tho.
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if you have an automatic task killer in gingerbread you're an idiot.
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The app that the op is posting about isn't a task killer. It modifies the system values/thresholds for when to kill stuff and flush memory and all that happy crap I don't really understand. I am guessing it would depend on the rom and how the dev have the values set to begin with. Just a guess tho.
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In addition to tweaking the system values, it includes a process/service manager, same as any other task killer.
Besides, any app that claims to improve battery life and performance by freeing up memory is immediately suspect. Having memory free affects neither in Android.
redpoint73 said:
In addition to tweaking the system values, it includes a process/service manager, same as any other task killer.
Besides, any app that claims to improve battery life and performance by freeing up memory is immediately suspect. Having memory free affects neither in Android.
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Its not an auto task killer and its a supplemental part of the app. I used to use that app and never even looked touched or saw the taskiller part. Just saying. Its not its main use or strength and not really advertised as such!
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xsteven77x said:
Its not an auto task killer and its a supplemental part of the app. I used to use that app and never even looked touched or saw the taskiller part. Just saying. Its not its main use or strength and not really advertised as such!
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They don't seem to know much about the very much , it is actually quite helpful on tweaking the android's "built-in" killer. It is not a task killer, the author of the app is a member of XDA and you should check out his work. A task killer is nice too, since many apps like Camera, gallery, maps, browser, etc are not kicked out until memory is "extremely" low. The G2 has what, 300-340MB free on a clean boot? After you open a couple of apps that will go to low 200's or high 100's. You may notice a difference in performance or maybe more battery drain from those apps staying open. I've used android since the G1 and can tell you that you dont want certain intensive apps to stay alive. But, this is just my opinion, not trying to attack anyone at all.
P.S. Here's a link to the app dev
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5861010
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They don't seem to know much about the very much , it is actually quite helpful on tweaking the android's "built-in" killer. It is not a task killer, the author of the app is a member of XDA and you should check out his work. A task killer is nice too, since many apps like Camera, gallery, maps, browser, etc are not kicked out until memory is "extremely" low. The G2 has what, 300-340MB free on a clean boot? After you open a couple of apps that will go to low 200's or high 100's. You may notice a difference in performance or maybe more battery drain from those apps staying open. I've used android since the G1 and can tell you that you dont want certain intensive apps to stay alive. But, this is just my opinion, not trying to attack anyone at all.
P.S. Here's a link to the app dev
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5861010
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I don't see it as an attack, your opinion is welcome. Although from what I have read (link I supplied above), Android does not benefit from having memory free, as having free memory does not improve performance and battery life.