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Question about maintenance updates

So I have a replacement fascinate on the way since my other took a dive and I am completely fed up with trying to get it to work again. Mind you I can get it to work and did but even with it 100% stock, I get massive lag, If i do superclean .9 and a stupidfast stable kernel, lag. add voodoo to the mix, oc, ul or lv or sv or ov, lag. So im chalking it up to a hardware issue or something I am not wanting to deal with at the moment. That being said, if the new fascinate shows up with DL09 (doubt it but humor me) I shouldnt have a problem going down to DJ05 right?

Why would you want to go back down if it is on that version
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because of the lack of support for DL09 DJ05 has a plethora of roms and kernels and mods left and right and DL09 doesnt.

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So I am fairly new to the Fascinate area and I am wanting to try out some of the moded kernels.
Currently I am seeing the Stock Kernel, Voodoo and Stupidfast. Am I missing any?
Also I would like some feedback on what people like more.

jazzyjames said:
So I am fairly new to the Fascinate area and I am wanting to try out some of the moded kernels.
Currently I am seeing the Stock Kernel, Voodoo and Stupidfast. Am I missing any?
Also I would like some feedback on what people like more.
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Voodoo5 is for more advanced users because it converts all of your data from an rfs filesystem to ext4, but both voodoo and stupid fast are great options its really just personal preference...
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I personally like the OTB Voodoo5 kernels from Nemesis. Awesome performance, super stable and you can choose between several versions to overclock or undervolt at different levels to get your own preferred experience.
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I am currently using the stock DJ05 Kernel and have no complaints whatsoever. Haven't felt the need to seek out improvements from other kernels, but like a previous reply said, it's all down to personal preference.

I am currently using stupidfast 1.54, but can honestly say that for my usage it didn't make a huge difference.
I have been apprehensive about voodoo. It seems like a number of the "help me I think I just bricked my phone" threads revolve around voodoo/rom conflicts, and stuff like that.
I wouldn't be in too much of a rush. I'm waiting for an upgrade before doing much more to my phone.

Voodoo 5 is a lot more noob-proof than the old versions. You just have to remember to disable the lagfix (from red Clockwork menu) before you flash a non-Voodoo kernel. Everything else (nandroid backups, etc.) just works.
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What do you guys feel is the best kernel for DI01?

Robedom said:
What do you guys feel is the best kernel for DI01?
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Stupidfast stable DI01
Totalnerdity.com/sf
Its under older versions
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jazzyjames said:
So I am fairly new to the Fascinate area and I am wanting to try out some of the moded kernels.
Currently I am seeing the Stock Kernel, Voodoo and Stupidfast. Am I missing any?
Also I would like some feedback on what people like more.
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For DJ05 or DL09, there is NO better combination than Adrynalyne's Voodoo5 kernels. It gives you the advanced enhancements found in Voodoo, plus the undervolting found in Stupidfast kernels to give you increased battery life. Plus, Voodoo5 is A LOT more idiot proof.
If you have either, try this kernel, you will be pleased.

Voodoo 5

Is it worth going too? Pros cons?
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Psst...search function...
But to answer your question, it really depends on you and how you use your phone. Eveyone will have different pros/cons based on their individual experience. If you think you need it then go for it, if you're unsure then don't.
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zachsx said:
Is it worth going too? Pros cons?
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As was said, a lot depends on how you use your phone.
I was always down on Voodoo because of the potential problems it can cause, but I gave it a try a week or so ago. Honestly, I haven't seen much if any improvement in speed, but I probably don't do the type of things that would benefit the most from it - frequent read/writes to the file system. I think for general use, it really doesn't offer much.
That said, there's nothing wrong with it, a Voodoo kernel installs just like any other, it does it's conversion to EXT4 automatically, and it also converts back to RFS automatically after you set it to do so.
Even though I haven't noticed much of an improvement in performance, I figure I'll stick with it mostly for the new red Clockwork recovery.
The only con is that you have to make sure to disable the lagfix and convert the file system back to rfs BEFORE flashign a non-Voodoo kernel. Aside from that, there's really no other cons.
Just make sure you fully understand what's it's doing and how to disable it when/if need be.

Doesn't change a whole lot. I found a few apps load and operate much more smoothly, with a slight (maybe just placebo affect) increase in responsiveness. It really is not all that complicated to install, and I had zero issues with it. I stayed away after seeing all the horror stories, but after kaos showed up and informed us that we would need voodoo installed to eventually run his froyo rom I figured I would be making the jump eventually anyway and went ahead and loaded it. Just spend time reading through all the various walkthroughs and fixes. Make sure you understand what it is you have to do and follow the directions. Make sure you are comfortable with Odin in case something does indeed go wrong. I have yet to bork my phone and have to odin back to stock, but it could happen, so be prepared.
Did I mention read through all the threads and make sure you follow the steps to a t? Once you think you understand the process, read some more. Don't know about you, but I'd feel like an asshole if I left myself with a 500$ paperweight because I couldn't be bothered to read a few pages on a message board...

Thanks for the quick responses!
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Noob question - what is Voodoo?
I've been using it for about two weeks now... but it can be a little confusing for someone who is just coming into the custom ROM scene.
Thanks.

kent1146 said:
Noob question - what is Voodoo?
I've been using it for about two weeks now... but it can be a little confusing for someone who is just coming into the custom ROM scene.
Thanks.
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It's a collection of enhancements to the Galaxy S phones, the primary one being a lag fix that converts the file system(s) to standard Linux EXT4 from Samsung's hobbled together RFS. The issue commonly associated with Voodoo is when someone flashes a non-Voodoo kernel over a Voodoo one. Since non-Voodoo kernels don't support EXT4, they can't read any of the partitions that were converted to EXT4 and all sorts of issues ensue. But it's not not all bad, converting back to RFS before flashing the new kernel avoids the problem, and even if it occurs (if someone doesn't convert back), there are clear steps to recover.
In addition to the lag fix, Voodoo has slight tweaks to the color settings and more significant tweaks to the sound options and settings.

+10 char
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ChrisDDD said:
It's a collection of enhancements to the Galaxy S phones, the primary one being a lag fix that converts the file system(s) to standard Linux EXT4 from Samsung's hobbled together RFS. The issue commonly associated with Voodoo is when someone flashes a non-Voodoo kernel over a Voodoo one. Since non-Voodoo kernels don't support EXT4, they can't read any of the partitions that were converted to EXT4 and all sorts of issues ensue. But it's not not all bad, converting back to RFS before flashing the new kernel avoids the problem, and even if it occurs (if someone doesn't convert back), there are clear steps to recover.
In addition to the lag fix, Voodoo has slight tweaks to the color settings and more significant tweaks to the sound options and settings.
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nice summary bro
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Voodoo5 makes your phone go HAM!
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http://project-voodoo.org

Can you flash themes without disabling the lag fix?
Super Clean DL09 .4 w/ JT's Fascinate voodoo w/Supercurio sound

Yes, as long as you use red CWM.

ivorycruncher said:
Yes, as long as you use red CWM.
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Thanks ivory. Also, use theme fix if using a DJ05 theme, right?
Super Clean DL09 .4 w/ JT's Fascinate voodoo w/Supercurio sound

Yup!
Posted from my DL09 SuperClean Fascinate with Voodoo

There doesn't seem to be a HUGE difference in speed with the lagfix, but there's quite a massive boost in sound quality once you download the Voodoo Control App from the marketplace and use decent headphones. Not bad for an hour or two of downloading and flashing. The only worrisome thing seems to be the massive amount of warnings about flashing anything over the Voodoo kernals...

Naris said:
There doesn't seem to be a HUGE difference in speed with the lagfix, but there's quite a massive boost in sound quality once you download the Voodoo Control App from the marketplace and use decent headphones. Not bad for an hour or two of downloading and flashing. The only worrisome thing seems to be the massive amount of warnings about flashing anything over the Voodoo kernals...
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I agree. Honestly, I haven't noticed *any* objective increase in speed with the lag fix. I suspect 99% of the lag people experience is attributable to the bloatware Verizon saw fit to load on the phone, not any inherent deficiency in the file system used. Not arguing that EXT4 isn't better than RFS, I just don't think it makes that much difference in actual use. When it comes to kernels, I think there's an enormous placebo effect. Unless you're overclocked, I'd challenge anyone to show *measurable* improvements in real performance - not just meaningless benchmarks, but real improvements in things that would be noticeable in the actual use of the phone.
I wouldn't worry about the warnings though, they're not because the lag fix is inherently dangerous, it's more because of the number of people who can't or choose not to read and get themselves into trouble flashing a non-Voodoo kernel without first disabling the lag fix. Follow the forums for any length of time and you'll be amazed at how many posts you see saying:
"I have no idea what Voodoo is, but I installed it anyway, because I don't want any lag, and then I heard about StupidFast, so I installed that, and now I have zero internal memory, what gives?"
If they had made any attempt to understand what Voodoo is and does, they'd have avoided the problem. But in the end, it's pretty straight forward to fix even if you inadvertently screw it up, so again, I wouldn't worry.

to voodoo or not to voodoo...

I am struggling with my desire to try a voodoo kernel - but I am not sure that I need to do so... I use the phone heavily, with plenty of browsing and write operations, and as I understand it, this is where you see the enhancements provided by voodoo.
When I first started getting interested in Android, there was a lot of discussion on voodoo, who needs it, why not to use it, the troubles of removing it or disabling it, etc. But now, things have gotten better, it seems. We can disable voodoo in red CWM, it does not seem to create the headaches for people that is had to potential to in the recent past.
So, I am wanting to try it - my question is, as someone who has learned enough t0 be careful and perhaps just enough to be dangerous, should I give it a try? Just looking for some insight before I jump in with both feet - IF I should jump in with both feet...
Should I do it?

Jump in with both feet! However keep in mind that you should only do this if you know how to use Odin and have stock images.

Short answer: Sure. Why not?
Flashing an appropriate voodoo kernel enables red CWM, which is all you need to handle everything voodoo related.
These days, risk is minimal.

Voodoo was the first thing I flashed when I got this phone on DI01. Haha. Woops.. Even though I did run into some of the problems removing back then... I found that all it took was a lot of extra reading. With it being easier and less risky... Id say go for it, as long as you have free time and dont mind wiping.
that said, Im not using it.
but I'll probably go back if we get the voodoo sound running..
color too right? not sure if that works in EB01, didnt bother reading about it.
voodoo color looks nice on the voodoo homepage.

I have been using it since DL09..... it seems to get rid off the pauses and make my phone quicker.....the best way to explain I guess, is
If you have a computer running windows XP on 512 MB of ram, it runs, just every time you do anything it has a slight hesitation to it.....and then after you upgrade the ram it runs smoothly
That's how it feels going from non voodoo to voodoo....
Voodoo has nothing to do with ram.... its just that was an example I felt most people could relate to...
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Voodoo4 -- the old version -- was a giant pain in the ass, and yes, was a bit dangerous.
Voodoo5 -- what we use now -- is almost impossible to mess up, and is no more difficult to install than flashing a regular ROM. If you're comfortable flashing ROMs, there's really no reason not to go with Voodoo5.
And trust me, you will see a noticeable difference in speed, even if all you're doing is web-browsing and using apps, if you go from the non-Voodoo to Voodoo version of EB01 (which I'd highly suggest).

Yea voodoo is fine, just when you have voodoo installed... PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT YOU FLASHING. NEVER flash a non-voodoo kernal over a voodoo kernel. Voodoo over voodoo is fine, voodoo over nonvoodoo is fine, NONVOODOO OVER VOODOO IS A NO NO.

I've had my share of non-voodoo and voodoo experience. My best voodoo experience was with Blackhole 3.0, DL09 + OTB voodoo overclocked at 1300mhz. My phone was screaming fast and no lag whatsoever. Then DL30 came around and was using Blackhole 4.01 non-voodoo. The phone performed pretty well, not as fast as before but it was faster than a non-voodoo 2.1 kernel. I did see some lags here and there but nothing major. Then EB01 came and I went to Superclean 2.4 with voodo. I didn't see the type of performance I saw with OTB voodoo and I had some pretty bad lags but this was during low battery levels around 25% and below. Now I am on Blackhole 4.2 non-voodoo and the performance is very similar to when I was on Blackhole 4.01 (DL30). Also, I experienced my very first battery issue. The battery level shows 88% eventhough the phone says that the battery is fully charge in the pop-up message.
I was really hoping to see a significant amount of performance and battery life increase from Froyo but I am not that impressed over one of my prior setups with OTB voodoo kernel. The only cool thing for me on Froyo is the ability to install apps on the SDcard. I do heavy texting and accessing webpages simultaneously. I wish theres an OTB voodoo kernel for EB01. Right now, I am contemplating on going back to Blackhole 3.0, DL09 + OTB voodoo (overclocked).

thefunkbot said:
Yea voodoo is fine, just when you have voodoo installed... PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT YOU FLASHING. NEVER flash a non-voodoo kernal over a voodoo kernel. Voodoo over voodoo is fine, voodoo over nonvoodoo is fine, NONVOODOO OVER VOODOO IS A NO NO.
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So many o's....

Well thank you! This is a great host of information, and I think I Am leaping with both feet this weekend...
I am comfy with odin, rom flashing, and wiping (after backup, of course!), so I am feeling like there's really no risk.
I look forward to joining you all on the "dark" (?) side...
If I can ask one more question - did I read right (and you are more than welcome to scream SEARCH!, cause I'll be doing that too) that sound and color are not working on EB01 Voodoo kernels?
I wanna make sure I am not jumping in to remove functionality
Again, I appreciate all teh info!

Voodoo sound and color aren't working yet on EB01. jt mentioned something about it being a no-go until we have the Froyo source from Samsung. Voodoo sound was amazing and I'm hoping we'll get that soon.

SO what is in Voodoo?

I had Superclean 2.4 (EB01) and my phone had sound and color. I listen to Pandora during my commute to and from work.

I think this is what is meant by voodoo lagfix, sound and color. I took this from project voodoo's website. And EB01 only supports lagfix for now so your improvement will be completely speed and performance based
Voodoo lagfix: improve performance level and consistency by using
Voodoo color: enhance viewing experience by fine-tunings of the display parameters for global usage and video.
Voodoo sound: improve the sound of your phone to great extends.
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thank goodness for this thread, i was on the fence about voodoo too but i'm just gonna do it. how do you go back to a non-voodoo kernel if you don't flash a non-voodoo one?

I really feel like I am asking to be spoon fed here, but I still get a little confused between ROM's and Kernels and compatibility. So does anyone care to suggest teh proper voodoo kernel for my setup? I am currently running JT's bootanimation kernel, blackhole 4.2 on EB01 modem, themed midnight.
I would presume that all I need to flash is just a vodoo 5 kernel (likely from JT, right?) but all I seem to locate are full rom packages. I am real happy with Blackhole and midnight - so will I need to install a full superclean, then blackhole back on top, then re-theme to midnight?
I hate to need this hand-holding, but I need this hand-holding at my present level of competent-ness

So right with me on non-voodoo superclean 2.4, is it as simple is just flashing superclean 2.4 voodoo version?

smilepak said:
So right with me on non-voodoo superclean 2.4, is it as simple is just flashing superclean 2.4 voodoo version?
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yes. download the 2.4 voodoo file, wipe data, cache and davlik and then wait.. it takes a while to boot the first time and ur phone will talk to you while it sets up. it is a 10 min or so boot so don't get nervous.
do not load download or use rom manager after u boot it.
voodoo has increases the speed of everything on my device by double.
you just need to understand that u can't flash non voodoo roms without disabling voodoo first. read the stickies on how to disable and also search forums and read about voodoo.
it took me a while before moving to voodoo but its something im glad i did. i tried for first time on 2.1, and started on 2.2 with no voodoo. but it sucked me back in lol and i love how it works.
Samsung Fascinate - EB01 Froyo. Running SuperClean 2.4 Voodoo

Well, I made the leap and I am very VERY pleased that I did.
Awesome, really.
I did not clear data, thinking I would have a try at it like that first and could start a new if needed, but everything is running beautifully. I only cleared cache and davlik... the phone is running amazingly fast.
Now I get to do my brother-in-law and my wifes today. Full odin to EB01, then on to voodoo.
Thank you for the info!!
ETA - of course, now I am questioning me not clearing data. Think I am going to repeat the process with data clear before applying the zip again. Is this necessary?
ETA - should have left well enough alone. FC hell now. Restored my backup and the phone boots, but everything FC's. Did a fix permissions, booting now to see. no help there, looks like I will odin back to EB01 and start anew.

hmm
so was originally on Superclean non-voodoo 2.4. Did a reboot to recover, wipe data, wipe cache, wipe battery status, wipe davilk.
Install superclean voodoo 2.4, reboot. Waited and listen to robotic voice. Let phone run through install, grab a drink, took a nap, la la la la..
phone now ready with Superclean voodoo 2.4. Restore app backed up with Titanium Backup.
i really did not notice 3G speed improvement while browsing or phone performance while using. Must be doing something wrong.

Who has tried 2.2 and went back to 2.1?

Just curious. I was thinking of going back. My phone used to fly on 2.1. They only thing I did not like was lack of flash player capability.
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Until we got the open source kernel with BLN, I was strongly thinking about downgraded (and rather regretted upgrading so soon), due to the loss of BLN. Now, my phone is at least as fast, has all the same features (lacked GPS then, and still do now ), but also all the new Froyo features like push notifications (push = infinitely better for battery!).

I went back to stock 2.1 (EA28) after using 2.2 with superclean 2.9.2. So far, I'm impressed with 2.1, check out the improvements:
1) Browser scrolling is much smoother!
2) Battery life is great without doing bunch of hacks each boot!
3) POP email client actually works correctly and doesn't snap to top of list constantly!
4) SMS looks much better!
5) GPS locks faster than any 2.2 ROM!
Negatives of 2.1:
1) slightly more UI lag sometimes... but not bad
2) Google maps doesnt fully 3D rotate
Overall, 2.1 is better. I'm waiting for official 2.2, hopefully it will address the bugs in the leak. Perhaps it will never come, and then we'll all never buy Samsung again.
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I made a post about this yesterday. Every time I mention 2.1 performs better overall than Froyo i get attacked my developers. Bottom line is that Battery/Performance just aren't as good for me on 2.2 as they were on 2.1. Also apparently memory management is supposed to be better but tasker constantly reports low memory and when I clear the RAM it hardly goes down until reboot.

Im back on 2.1. I got sick of constantly battling wakelocks. I will flash Nameless when v4 drops though.

If i go back, I will Root, CWR, and debloat, debing myself. I will also look into an AOSP voodoo kernel for voodoo lagfix and sound. I am considering trying this out. If I do I will let y'all know if the kernel and voodoo like 2.1, i know the rest of the stuff works as i have done it before, and now that we have a fixed CWR, even better, plus i really like the feeds and updates widget.

Went back to 2.1 myself as well
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I've gone back and forth 5 times already, all just to check and verify power consumption.

DaleV said:
If i go back, I will Root, CWR, and debloat, debing myself. I will also look into an AOSP voodoo kernel for voodoo lagfix and sound. I am considering trying this out. If I do I will let y'all know if the kernel and voodoo like 2.1, i know the rest of the stuff works as i have done it before, and now that we have a fixed CWR, even better, plus i really like the feeds and updates widget.
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Aosp kernel on 2.1 tw roms huh? Good luck with that one
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I flashed back to dl01 with root and sirgatez's blazed kernel. So far so fast!
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Honestly, after jumping onto the Froyo boat so late in the game from using DJ05 forever, and with kernels popping up, Froyo is as fast if not faster than 2.1 has ever been. Battery life is the same, and the extra 2.2 features are awesome.
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Battery life almost doubled when I switched to 2.2 and it's running quite a bit faster. Best of all is the working gps and flash! Never going back.
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Being the noob I am,, so far I've only personally experienced the 2.1 stock verizon bloat load and now SC 2.9 with voodoo. All I can say is WOW,, there is no comparison between the performance of those two,, the SC absolutely blows away the old stock 2.1. So eh no, I dont see ever going back to 2.1.
Now that being said, I've never tried a 'debloated' 2.1 version of a load of any kind, maybe running voodoo filesystem structure,, so maybe that would be even faster,, idk.. But at this point I am so happy with it that I really I dont want to mess with it

I've been back and forth and ultimately I would have to say that a ComaVolted SC 2.9.2 is a lot better than the eclair version of the phone. I get killer battery life and my phone actually works the way it was meant to. I don't think I will be going back to 2.1.

My battery life has increased by a great fold ever since I switched to 2.2. Everything else has far surpassed 2.1 from my experince.
The only reason I would ever go back to 2.1 was if I had to return my phone.
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I have reverted back to D101 so many times I lost count. In my opinion there are many things both benifitial and negative for both 2.2 and 2.1. Personally I go for stability, but I have finally got a stable 2.2. And I actually like TW.
D101 is still a good build in my opinion. I would still be perfectly happy running it, but theming and kernels are much more fun.

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I have reverted back to D101 so many times I lost count. In my opinion there are many things both benifitial and negative for both 2.2 and 2.1. Personally I go for stability, but I have finally got a stable 2.2. And I actually like TW.
D101 is still a good build in my opinion. I would still be perfectly happy running it, but theming and kernels are much more fun.
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Point me to a stable stock 2.2 build?
Debinged and debloated?
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chefthomas99 said:
Point me to a stable stock 2.2 build?
Debinged and debloated?
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http://forum.androidcentral.com/ver...tom-roms-w-root-clockwork-updated-3-25-a.html
When I first started all the customization, I was very hesitant. I ran just the Stock EB01 debing/debloat for a while and had zero issues, with the exception that the vibration length changed from 2.1 to 2.2.
Just use Odin 1.3 and follow the instructions if you haven't done it before.
Edit: I am running the Superclean 2.9.2 myself with all the TW aspects added back in, even the live wallpapers. I like the stock look and feel, but I also like many of the Superclean features.

Personally I would hold off flashing anything new until NAMELESS drops. It should be within the next few days and may finally give us the 100% froyo experience we have been waiting for along with edify scripting and the new cwm.
Until then im going to stick with my personally debloated, debinged, detouchwiz-ed , EA28.
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bobloblaw1 said:
Personally I would hold off flashing anything new until NAMELESS drops. It should be within the next few days and may finally give us the 100% froyo experience we have been waiting for along with edify scripting and the new cwm.
Until then im going to stick with my personally debloated, debinged, detouchwiz-ed , EA28.
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Well, glad thats just you, personally.
By the way,
EC10 is about 70% binary identical to EB01.