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I love the idea of the Galaxy Tab, but unfortunately due to my eyesight I'm going to have to stick with the Ipad and return my Samsung Galaxy Tab bought from PCWorld UK last Monday.
Anyone got any ideas for the best approach to use with PCWorld UK to obtain a full refund. I have opened the box and used the Tab for a few days, was careful with packaging and have performed a factory reset on the device.
If I cannot get a full refund from PCWorld UK then onto eBay it willl go.
I will be first in line when there is a decent 10inch version available.
Mike
If I were you, I'd probably complain that I'm unable to get to full desktop sites of certain websites (e.g. BBC iPlayer) and that was your whole raison d'être for buying a Tab.
Yes, it can be fixed by flashing a later firmware, but you don't know that!
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
If I were you, I'd probably complain that I'm unable to get to full desktop sites of certain websites (e.g. BBC iPlayer) and that was your whole raison d'être for buying a Tab.
Yes, it can be fixed by flashing a later firmware, but you don't know that!
Regards,
Dave
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Dave, you seem to be compounding his anger with irrational statements. Why dont you just download one of the 6 other browsers that are availiable online and in the market and which show full desktop sites.
Theres absolutely no need to flash new firmware and a senior member should know that...
He is simply trying to give an excuse to receive a full refund not give a work around for the web browser...
Just a thought but did you try to download Spare Parts and increase the font size through it?
I took my iPad back to PC World and got a full refund after telling them it was no good too me due to lack of flash. They refunded me without fuss.
I'd go with what the other poster advised and say that sites like iPlayer are going straight to mobile view but you purchased it in good faith believing it would do full sites.
I love my Tab, especially now I got full sites working after flashing it
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ftgg99 said:
Dave, you seem to be compounding his anger with irrational statements. Why dont you just download one of the 6 other browsers that are availiable online and in the market and which show full desktop sites.
Theres absolutely no need to flash new firmware and a senior member should know that...
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You seem to have *completely* misread both the original post, and my reply!
As far as I can tell, the OP loves the Tab but can't get on with the 7" screen due to poor eyesight. So, he wants an excuse to return the device that the store will accept given that it has been used.
All I have done is given him that excuse. If he takes his Tab back to PC World and demonstrates that he can't get full fat iPlayer on it, he can legitimately claim that the device is not fit for purpose!
Putting the OPs question to one side though, on the firmware that came with my Tab it didn't work! In order to get full fat iPlayer on the Tab I *had* to flash a later firmware. And yes, I tried lots of different browsers including:
Skyfire
Opera
Firefox
XScope
Dolphin HD
With the shipped firmware, not one of these would give me the full desktop iPlayer site *and* allow me to play the flash content on it. It didn't matter what I set the useragent to, and yes I tried everything.
The problem also came up on lots of other websites (e.g. Carphone Warehouse). In that case, whilst I could get to a desktop version of the site, the moment I clicked on a link it would take me back to the mobile site.
So far, the only known way of fixing this is to flash to JK4 (see here). Note that your firmware may well be different to the original firmware on *my* device, so *you* may not have this issue, but since my device came from PC World, I'm prepared to bet that the OPs firmware is the same as mine, and therefore will exhibit the same behaviour.
So yes, I do know what I am talking about here, and there is most definitely a reason to flash a new firmware!
Regards,
Dave
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He is simply trying to give an excuse to receive a full refund not give a work around for the web browser...
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Agreed. I just find the 10inch form factor of the Ipad screen more suitable for my use. Dolphin HD browser and Skyfire both work great. I have used Spare Parts and applied the compatability fix and also increased fiont sizes.
I am just looking for a reasonable sounding excuse to get a full refund from PCWorld UK rather than a quick sale on eBay where I will loose some moeny.
I find the magnification smoother on the Ipad, plus Angry Birds does seem to stutter more than on the Ipad.
Mike.
ftgg99 said:
Dave, you seem to be compounding his anger with irrational statements. Why dont you just download one of the 6 other browsers that are availiable online and in the market and which show full desktop sites.
Theres absolutely no need to flash new firmware and a senior member should know that...
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I am not angry, I love the Android OS and the open-ness it brings, its the form factor that is not suitable. As soon as a decent full feature 10inch android tablet is available then I will be first in oine for a sale.
I now realise 10ich is my "sweet spot", I am just looking for a reasonable "unfit for purpose" excuse to get my money back within PCWorlds 7 working days refund policy.
Mike
You state BBC iPlayer and Carphone Warehouse as examples of the desktop websites that only show the "mobile" version. Can you tell me any others I can use as examples. My Tab is already "boxed" up, ready to go back to the store. Thanks. Mike.
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You state BBC iPlayer and Carphone Warehouse as examples of the desktop websites that only show the "mobile" version. Can you tell me any others I can use as examples. My Tab is already "boxed" up, ready to go back to the store. Thanks. Mike.
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Not off the top of my head because I've flashed a working firmware on my device now, so it all works ok!
iPlayer is probably the best one though - the mobile site doesn't give you live streams for starters and the recorded streams are low quality compared to the desktop versions.
Yesterday I watched the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix live on my Tab using the "desktop" iPlayer site, and this would have impossible with the stock firmware.
Regards,
Dave
The 10" Advent Vega is coming soon at Dixons (Currys or PCWorld), unless of course they cancel it just like they had to axe the Toshiba Folio 100
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Job done!
Took the tab into my local PCWorld UK store this evening and walked away with a full refund without too much hassle.
Assistant I spoke to was convinced he could get it showing full desktop sites with a change in Settings. When he could not, the refund was very quickly offered.
I enjoyed my week with the Tab. Just being able to stuff content on without Itunes, the camera, android market were all great. in the end the 7inch screen was not right for me.
Roll on a 10inch, Honeycomb Android tablets, if Samsung produce one of these then they a sale again.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/14/qualcomm-promises-netflix-streaming-support-on-future-android-d/
Anyone read this yet? I mean, the HD7 (which has a netflix app) is running the same snapdragon processor as the Nexus One and Evo. This seams like a load of BS to me...
Netflix has issues with DRM on Android. Many game developers have also cited similiar concerns. The next version of snapdragon will handle DRM through hardware making it independent of OS.
Put attention to the blue part:
... meet all of the DRM requirements for Watch Instantly. ...
CPU power isn't the culprit and never was.
so if it isnt a harware issue, then why has it taken them so long to implement these "DRM securities". WP7 had netflix on launch day, why didnt android get these back when iOS got them?
Errrrrrm... because they all use a different software OS?
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danger-rat said:
Errrrrrm... because they all use a different software OS?
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Once you create the program, its pretty easy to port it from OS to OS
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Once you create the program, its pretty easy to port it from OS to OS
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Not if a key component of your program relies on a feature one of the OSs doesn't support.
I think the problem is the way android handles DRM - or that's why Netflix has issues, at least...
Netflix appears to be happy with iOS and Windows, and the way they handle DRM.
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Past post from Netflix seems to indicate they ate not happy about this either. This is a requirement of their licensed agreement with studios; not something Netflix wants. Same reason Netflix is not on Linux either.
Still, Netflix have an app on the Logitech Revue, so all is not lost...
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And that's the story of how I canceled my Netflix subscription. Thanks for the rips, but I can no longer justify the monthly fee, especially since the N1 just got **** canned as ever getting the app.
Pretty lame IMO. I can log on to my bank's website from my phone, paypal has an app, there is an app to accept credit card swipes with the phone and the square reader... yet Netflix can't figure out how to stream a movie or tv show to it safely. STUPID.
This has more to do with the movie and television studios than netflix. They've said to netflix that this is the only way to protect the mobile streams that they will accept. Netflix has to comply because no studios == no content deals.
If the only reason you had a netflix account was so you could watch it on a small 4 inch screen I would cancel too. That seems like a waste of netflix lol.
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On a related note, has anything relating to the rumored Amazon Streaming service materialized yet? I'm itching for a reason to drop my Netflix for a more Linux friendly solution. Really tired of being treated like a second-class citizen for using a better OS.
yeah, I don't get it? i mean,.. if you was to download the app you still have to log in right? So is not like you can hack it. Unless they're afraid of long press save video option but honestly who wants to save low quality videos like that?
Yeah I don't understand the DRM thing either. You have to log in, therefore a DRM is already in place.
Maybe there can be some video capture software on the Android. "Great! Now I can capture a crappy quality mobile optimized video and throw it on a torrent website great!"
Hell, people probably already have Bluray rips up. It's not like Netflix gets their content in a timely manner...
yeah if your logged in than what does it matter, people have faster way of going around the whole drm thing on a pc/mac so why would too many people bother with a cell phone.
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yeah, I don't get it? i mean,.. if you was to download the app you still have to log in right? So is not like you can hack it. Unless they're afraid of long press save video option but honestly who wants to save low quality videos like that?
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Umm, what? You can still hack things you have to log into... They may know which user did it, but you could set up an account with fake information... The "hacking" netflix wants to avoid is people downloading full movies from them. People could make a fake account, download a bunch of movies from netflix, and then distribute them on the internet.
We all know that there are already better blu-ray rips available on the web, but the movie studios don't care, and unfortunately, they hold netflix by the balls on protecting their content. Its dumb, but its not Netflix's fault.
I'm as annoyed as anyone about this, but Netflix obviously wants to be on Android, its a giant platform.
The problem is, they are required by studios to use hardware encryption built into the processor on the device, but every processor is different and not all phones actually have the libraries needed to access that encryption (they said this, and I can see how that would be true). So Netflix says they are doing as much as they can. From all outward appearances, we can't know if they really are working as hard as they can or not, but its not unreasonable to think they're being truthful when they say that. It very well could be tough for them to implement.
I do think that if they don't figure out something at least for Tegra 2, and fast, they're missing a big opportunity, but lets not blame them yet. If its not out in a few months, then they're a bunch of ****ers, but lets give them time. If they get Netflix for Xoom before Adobe gives it flash, I'll consider them "fast enough". I don't think they will, but lets hope!
-Taylor
I don't see the big deal of having Netflix on your phone. But I guess people really want to watch their favorite episode of Cake Boss on a 3.7 inch screen.
Canceled my netflix today.with no foreseeable future of n1 support, the stream library is just not worth the 8 bucks a month.
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I don't see the big deal of having Netflix on your phone. But I guess people really want to watch their favorite episode of Cake Boss on a 3.7 inch screen.
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Yeah I'm with you, I can never find the time to watch videos outside of short youtube clips on my phone, I don't see how people can watch a movie on it. I much prefer my netflix through my Xbox 360 on my 42 inch HDTV.
I thought this was pretty BS, and wanted to share this. I bought the games less than 2 months ago and wanted to download them to my new Note. Here is their response back to me.
"Unfortunately, you can not get the games back on your new phone. According to Gameloft policy if you buy a game, you can re-download it to the same phone with the same phone number within 3 years of your purchase. If the phone model or number was changed by the customer's own initiative, Gameloft has the right to refuse re-sending the game.
You can not re-download or transfer games which you bought on your old phone (model 1) to the new phone (model 2), because we produce each game-build for one particular phone to ensure the best quality and to prevent piracy. If you want to have games on your new phone, I'm afraid you will have to buy them again.
Sorry for the inconveniences. If you have any other questions, please let me know.
Best regards, -------------------------------Deepesh Mohan Customer Care Agent http://www.gameloft.com/"
great way to prevent piracy...
not!
Yeah, i don't like Gameloft and this is a good reason to not buy anything from them. They won't change their policy as long as customers are "fine" with it.
I got 20 of their hd games for free through torrents.
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scottmog said:
I got 20 of their hd games for free through torrents.
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Yah, seems increasingly like in the name of "piracy" (think DRM) the paying user is the one that gets hurt the most.
Honestly, I'm not going to cry over a few dollars, but I'm very shocked that they are taking this stance. All they had to do to keep me happy was very simple, but yet they still refused. To me that's a smack in the face.
I don't think they believe in good customer service. Even the customer service person replied somewhat apologetically that they do not offer refunds.
Had purchased the Adventures of Tintin game for the SGS2, then upgraded to the Note about 1 month after the purchase, only to find out the game was incompatible. When the game was first released, there were no indications that it was not compatible with any devices. To a not very techie layperson, it would make sense for a game that runs on tablets--the ipad reportedly has it--to run on a phone too.
Because of this incident, I'm thinking of boycotting their games, not that they're that fantastic to the fairer gender anyway!
This is why ios wins, I'm niether an apple fan boy nor android fan boy and please nobody hate on me but I love my android phone and all but you cannot deny that apple basically is an efficient OS wise, you would never have such issues on apple devices. Don't get me wrong android has its perks with a variety of phones designs and brands but honestly I think iOS is the best mobile operating system out there. And don't get me started about their app store or iTunes, unlike android you wouldn't need to trouble yourself rooting and downloading market enabler just so you can enjoy the us version of the app store, isn't a pain when you need to do in apply purchases
Bottom line ANDROID needs to upgrade their market together with ICS update
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"because we produce each game-build for one particular phone to ensure the best quality and to prevent piracy"
That made me laugh! isn't this the perfect way to encourage piracy? As I have said elsewhere, When I purchase any app/game I then find the apk as a backup. It's mine, I paid for it, and I will bloody well do what I want with it other than sharing. That's my 'policy'
To use the app you bought you have to prove every time again that you are using the app on the same device that bought the app. Every time they check your phone id, your phone number, your market account, your exact gps position.
Soon they will require that you use the app on the same phone, same network provider, same market account, same phone number, same country, and maximum 50 km distance from the gps position you had when you bought the app.
Not joking.
Not the story they told me when I bought a few games few months ago. When I enquired that I was soon going to buy another phone and asked if I buy games if I can get the game on my new phone like on the Android market, they said yes. Don't remember if I called them our asked on their website. Haven't yet had time to get the apk off my old phone and pt it in my new phone.guess my games that I bought won't work on my new note too contrary to what was told to me by them. In that scenario if they deliberately gave me wrong information then I will find other ways to play the game I legally bought.
I am about to port my number to another mobile provider guess they will now try to block the games I bought on my note.isn't that a restrictive trade practice preventing customers from changing mobile providers. Obviously the New network will give me a new Sim card even when they port my number.
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Haven't yet had time to get the apk off my old phone and pt it in my new phone.guess my games that I bought won't work on my new note too contrary to what was told to me by them. In that scenario if they deliberately gave me wrong information then I will find other ways to play the game I legally bought.
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I also kept the apk I downloaded and it is labelled as compatible for a "Droid X." Howver, 2 of the 3 I bought worked on my Note. So there is still a chance your games will work, but I can't say for sure.
Somebody please tip the XDA crew about this and maybe they'll put it on the Portal. I had no idea that they could refuse re-download if you change your phone and I think the news need to be spread so that we can decide if we want to buy software from such companies or not. I always liked to pay for Android software since I know I'll be able to use it long term... I wont buy Gameloft games anymore, that's for sure.
Brgds... /Tubgirl
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Somebody please tip the XDA crew about this and maybe they'll put it on the Portal. I had no idea that they could refuse re-download if you change your phone and I think the news need to be spread so that we can decide if we want to buy software from such companies or not. I always liked to pay for Android software since I know I'll be able to use it long term... I wont buy Gameloft games anymore, that's for sure.
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I agree! Honestly it is easier to just go to 4shared and download a pirated copy that won't be limited to a single device, but I like to support developers who create good apps/games or else where would we be?
I don't know... this was pretty BS
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Soon they will require that you use the app on the same phone, same network provider, same market account, same phone number, same country, and maximum 50 km distance from the gps position you had when you bought the app.
Not joking.
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source?
and how do they plan to enforce that?
i bought a few games from them and denied this checks from the beginning on with LBE privacy guard
what's when i'm abroad on vacation or a business trip??
i wont be able to play my LICENSED game??
must be a joke, no?
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must be a joke, no?
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Yah, he's being sarcastic, but I think what he is pointing out is just how far they could go if they wanted to.
my case was an update of the famos UNO HD. i told them that the quality sucked on my NOTE but the on the galaxy tab 7(original) works a charm... downloads the additional files.. but on my not does not download anything.. but game works...
they said there is nothing they can do cause the game is not compatible with note....WTF dont think it takes that much to update n7000 in the program so it recognizes it as a hd product and download.... ah well....its this kind of service and attitude that leads people to torrents.....you wont support what i bought then will download it will the additional files....
I downloaded apps from Samsung (gameloft) and saved the APK from my SGSII (like Dead Space) and installed it on my note, and it worked fine.
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godwinvandamme said:
my case was an update of the famos UNO HD. i told them that the quality sucked on my NOTE but the on the galaxy tab 7(original) works a charm... downloads the additional files.. but on my not does not download anything.. but game works...
they said there is nothing they can do cause the game is not compatible with note....WTF dont think it takes that much to update n7000 in the program so it recognizes it as a hd product and download.... ah well....its this kind of service and attitude that leads people to torrents.....you wont support what i bought then will download it will the additional files....
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I totally agree. When I see I can't download something for my Note, I download it for my SGSII and save the APK and MOST of the time it works fine! Arg... Silly developers.
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source?
and how do they plan to enforce that?
i bought a few games from them and denied this checks from the beginning on with LBE privacy guard
what's when i'm abroad on vacation or a business trip??
i wont be able to play my LICENSED game??
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I am writing what they can do with all the data they collect. But it is not so unlikely to happen. For example on phone networks they check whether a phone moves too far too soon (last position in Paris, 3 minutes later in Berlin, 2 minutes later in Rome) to find phone hackers. Since many apps are collecting your gps position and getting again your gps position when you start the app again...
It will be easy to give you a geographically restricted license. For example a free license only for clients with GPS position in Europe.
Or the app costs 5$ for US clients, 5 euro for EU clients, 5 Hong Kong dollars for HK clients and to enforce that, the US license can only be used inside the US.
I "bought" some apps from the Samsung app store for free.
I denied to show my phone ID, like you.
Now some of them will not start because:
1) i do not allow them to check my phone ID to verify my free license
2) if i allow them to check my phone ID, they do not have in their records that my phone ID bought the free app, so I must be a criminal.
We must INSTALL LBE PRIVACY + DROIDWALL to stop this nonsense, before it is too late and this becomes a standard procedure.
Honestly the only other way I'd buy again is if all my purchases stayed linked to my Google account. But, God forbid that mean less profit for Gameloft.
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source?
and how do they plan to enforce that?
i bought a few games from them and denied this checks from the beginning on with LBE privacy guard
what's when i'm abroad on vacation or a business trip??
i wont be able to play my LICENSED game??
must be a joke, no?
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Well .... they did this with PC games & DVDs quite happily. When I migrated to Oz, all my UK games and DVDs would not work on Australian PCs / DVD players. How that for a massive rip-off?
Piracy? Hmmmm ... that's an idea, now!
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DRM causes more piracy than it could ever prevent. One crack, one upload, millions of pirates.
Fact of digital life.
Hi (sorry for length of the post!),
I am on the verge of getting new tablet.
I have good, old iPad 1 but unfortunately it is more toy than tool.
I have decided that device like Transformer (hybrid tablet/laptop) would be perfect for what I do. Till few days ago I was all set to wait for such a device with Win8 on-board... but now I am not so sure anymore.
Perhaps you will be able to help me make a good choice.
Currently during day I use at least two PC's with Win7 (and Windows Live services) + Google Chrome and iPad.
As much as I like iPad I hate that it can not sync (in full) like two PC's and especially Chrome (not to mention the lack of keyboard).
Because as I wrote I use Live services I was thinking that by the end of the year I should get a Windows Phone device (few of the things I need to know about WP are here, can you help? : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1643996), Win8 for desktop and tablet with Win8 onboard.
From what I read Win8 will be much more "closed" when compared to prev. vers of Windows.
Questions are:
1. Will both x86 and ARM version force user to use only MS app store (no more free, unrestricted download from the internet like today? - can it really be true???)
2. Will Win8 have geo-restrictions like currently Windows Phone (got your Live ID assigned to USA -> than you can not get any software from App Store UK. Even iOS is less problematic here).
3. Flash support? Got myself nice VPN... at the moment Hulu works perfectly on Win7 and via Splashtop on my iPad. What about Windows 8?
4. As I wrote I use Google Chrome as a browser. It is quick, it syncs in a very good way, etc. I can not get it for iOS (one of the reasons to drop the iOS)... I can have it on Android tablet (although I am not sure about sync capabilities) but I was hoping I will be able to get the proper, full Chrome for my Win8 desktop and tablet.
5. VPN support on Windows8? Any? Will I be able to access Netflix (as I do now) ob both Win8 desktop and Win8 tablet.
6. Do you think tablet with Win8 will differ in a way system is open (I am not sure if I use correct words for that) between x86 and ARM ver? I do understand that if I will get ARM device all software I will get will have to be "wrote" specifically for ARM and opposite... (unless x86 will have no problem in emulating ARM as it will be more powerful platform).
7. In another words... is it worth to wait for Windows 8 on tablet or I will do most of the stuff I want on Android ICS device?
All insights are welcome!
Sry, didn't have the time to answer all of your questions but hopefully some parts will be clearer in some minutes ^^
1.) no, x86 will work just like a win7 pc nowadays. Not quite sure, but ARM will be restricted to the new marketplace/store (correct me if I'm wrong)
2.) Don't know for sure, but I think it will connect your Live Accout (in W8 called Microsoft Account) will have a connection to your location, but just for the store - not for downloaded applications.
3.) On x86 (tablets) I don't see any problems in using flash. ARM may not be having flash at release, but I think it'll come fast.
4.) If Google is willing to release Chrome for Windows 8 RT (the ARM version), you will be able to install it on all your W8 devices. But you could buy a x86 tablet and the desktop version of Chrome will run.
So, have to go...
Some last words: Tablets with x86 are just like a desktop pc for win7 with a touchscreen, a new look and feel and in one little case
galtom said:
1. Will both x86 and ARM version force user to use only MS app store (no more free, unrestricted download from the internet like today? - can it really be true???)
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Metro apps are restricted, and the ARM version primarily only supports METRO apps. So an ARM version will force you unless you: Have a developer account, Are on a Domain, or Use an items signed by a trusted cert provider and make some registry settings.
x86 has the same restrictions on METRO apps, but can run any x86 item (all existing windows applications) without restriction.
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2. Will Win8 have geo-restrictions like currently Windows Phone (got your Live ID assigned to USA -> than you can not get any software from App Store UK. Even iOS is less problematic here).
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Likely yes. You would need to use a proxy to access other stores.
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3. Flash support? Got myself nice VPN... at the moment Hulu works perfectly on Win7 and via Splashtop on my iPad. What about Windows 8?
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x86 IE10 yes, I use Hulu on my 8 device right now. Metro IE10 will not support plugins (no flash, silverlight, or active x). You will need an 'app', or a site supporting HTML5 for IE10 to work.
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4. As I wrote I use Google Chrome as a browser. It is quick, it syncs in a very good way, etc. I can not get it for iOS (one of the reasons to drop the iOS)... I can have it on Android tablet (although I am not sure about sync capabilities) but I was hoping I will be able to get the proper, full Chrome for my Win8 desktop and tablet.
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It works fine on an x86 tablet. It will be up to Google on whether or not they provide a Metro version. At this time there should be no restriction in place to prevent them from doing so if they desire to.
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5. VPN support on Windows8? Any? Will I be able to access Netflix (as I do now) ob both Win8 desktop and Win8 tablet.
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x86 yes. Metro requires an App. I use this today on Windows 8.
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6. Do you think tablet with Win8 will differ in a way system is open (I am not sure if I use correct words for that) between x86 and ARM ver? I do understand that if I will get ARM device all software I will get will have to be "wrote" specifically for ARM and opposite... (unless x86 will have no problem in emulating ARM as it will be more powerful platform).
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x86 is completely open. ARM is restricted to things that install on ARM, and in most cases to things that are acquired through the METRO store (except for the exceptions listed in item 1
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7. In another words... is it worth to wait for Windows 8 on tablet or I will do most of the stuff I want on Android ICS device?
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If you are going to buy a convertible windows 8 tablet, so it can be a laptop & a tablet, or if you are going to buy an x86 tablet, I would consider waiting for a windows 8 compatible device (expect sometime late summer / early fall.)
If you are going to buy a Win RT tablet, it is up to you, but I would probably buy a 200-300 android tablet, and then sell it and buy a windows one if/when it becomes a compelling device for you.
most of your questions have been answered, but im going to add a question (for you) an answer it
Should I buy a tablet now?
No, is the answer.
MS and its hardware partners have made some very interesting gains in the touch technology, not to mention Intels gains in performance / low watt CPUs.
if you buy now you will be missing out on some great tech especially around touch screens so it really would be a bit daft to buy just now, you also run the risk of it not supporting Win 8 completely as well. Seriously, wait it out until Win 8 comes, if you must get an older current gen device (perhaps price constrained?) then it will be cheaper then too
First of all thank you all for your time (and answers).
Since (as usual) answers to questions raise new questions... we... here we go
hanswurst24 said:
1.) no, x86 will work just like a win7 pc nowadays. Not quite sure, but ARM will be restricted to the new marketplace/store (correct me if I'm wrong)
2.) Don't know for sure, but I think it will connect your Live Accout (in W8 called Microsoft Account) will have a connection to your location, but just for the store - not for downloaded applications.
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1. I am not so sure... and I think even for MS "all this" might be a problem.
On one hand they should not change "philosophy" of Windows because no one would swap Win7 to Win8 if they would have to buy all software form 1 (or few) stores only).
On the other hand Windows Phone is showing the way they want to/would like to go (which company would not want to make extra cash on apps the way Apple, Google and Amazon are doing??? - to find balance will not be easy).
All this shows (in my opinion) another problem - system fragmentation. Only iOS is safe as Apple has full control over system and devices (but THANK GOD - is not that stubborn on geo/market restrictions as Google or Ms).
If you remember how confusing for customers it was with Vista and Win7 versions imagine what will happen now?
To be honest (if those versions RT and x86) will differ so much in terms of practicability, options, openness, functions of hardware I cant imagine how everything will be introduced, market and advertised in order for "Mr Average Joe" to comprehend and not run back next day to the shop with complaints - about system, software, compatibility, etc...
Looks like a pure nightmare and I think this is the reason (they do not know what to do exactly with all this mess) we have so little information on how it all is going to work and c0-work with each other :-(
2). You see... as far as I know if I would buy Windows Phone (or RT Win8 tablet - by the end of the year) I will be limited to apps available only in my location. If Live ID is assigned to UK than forget (even free!) apps for US market (and others). In my case it is a disaster... For my pleasure and entertainment I use apps (on iOS and Android [if I can find them - it is way more difficult than on iOS] from UK, US and Poland.
Installing Netflix or BBC iPlayer on a dive form other parts of the world on iOS is very simple and does not require any hacking/rooting/jaibrakes/etc/.
On Android one has to know how to root the device and than simply search the net... not alwys finding what he/she wants.
On Windows Phone if you create new Live ID (like on iOS), switching those equals HARD RESET of the device.
If that will be the case with Win8 RT... that is a very bad news! Even if x86 ver will have less restrisctions those news will be bad for ARM manufacturers as they will get like "handicapped" system when compared to x86... - would you be happy about it if you were Nvidia or Qualcomm?
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3.) On x86 (tablets) I don't see any problems in using flash. ARM may not be having flash at release, but I think it'll come fast.
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Maybe it will, maybe it will not... question are:
- will it at all?
- how difficult it will be to install (root? bootloader? other restrictions? unauthorized software when compared to what your Live ID has bought from the shop?)
- how many AVERAGE people will want to go into all this mess?
michiganenginerd said:
Metro apps are restricted, and the ARM version primarily only supports METRO apps.
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So... if there will DESKTOP mode on Win8 RT don't you think it will limit its general appeal. If it will be so restricted, without desktop mode... why would you want it over Android?
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x86 has the same restrictions on METRO apps, but can run any x86 item (all existing windows applications) without restriction.
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Again, if you are right... this move from MS would mean that hardly anyone will buy ARM version of the system -> ARM devices with Win8 will not sell. If that would be the case what would be the point for ARM ver of Win8 in first place if no sane manufacturer would invest money to produce devices that can not compete with x86 devices because of system they have. Unless they are very, VERY cheap (looking at cost of Android devices is not making me hopeful in this matter) or if people do not much care for the system but for batt. life - again why would you want Win8 over Android or (well established) iOS. It is worth to remember that it will be even more difficult to win customers who already own Android or iOS device - there is a good chance that they have spend quite a lot of cash so far on apps.
QUESTION (off topic): if you got iOS, purchased apps are assigned to account, not device -> meaning if you buy an app for iPad 1 you can still use it on iPad3. How dose it work on Windows Phone and Android devices?
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Likely yes. You would need to use a proxy to access other stores.
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Proxy/VPN is not a problem - problem is in Live ID that is assigned to a specific country during creation and registration. In this case your IP does not matter. It is the same with Google Play. Once you have your Google account you can connect to the store form any location but it will not allow you ti install software not in your market (even if you can see it).
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x86 IE10 yes, I use Hulu on my 8 device right now. Metro IE10 will not support plugins (no flash, silverlight, or active x). You will need an 'app', or a site supporting HTML5 for IE10 to work.
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Again, if it will be so difficult with getting those apps it might influence sales and opinions outside of the US.
It looks to me that if only manufacturers of x86 devices will resolve problem with heating and active cooling (which imho have no please on tablet or hybrid laptop) it will be the only ver of Win8 that will make sense to buy.
Shame, as I would love to have "all this freedom" on an ARM device - I do not need computing power on mobile device but I also do not want to be limited in what I can install and from where/who.
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It works fine on an x86 tablet. It will be up to Google on whether or not they provide a Metro version. At this time there should be no restriction in place to prevent them from doing so if they desire to.
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What happens now 9on x86 Win8) if you try to add shortcut to Chrome on Metro UI? It dose not shows... or what?
If so, you mean you can lunch any software from desktop but not from metro screen? Does not make much sense... does it?
I understand that a "Metro app" will be easier to use and more touch friendly that current range of apps designed for mouse but still... it should be my choice. If I want to use it let me start it from any interface.
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If you are going to buy a convertible windows 8 tablet, so it can be a laptop & a tablet, or if you are going to buy an x86 tablet, I would consider waiting for a windows 8 compatible device (expect sometime late summer / early fall.)
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I am considering buying now something like TF Prime or TF 300 - it might do what I need. And with some outside help (perhaps from here) beside usual stuff I should be able to get VPN client, Hulu +, Netflix and BBC on it. I am not worried about text editors as there should be quite few of those that will work with docx files and skydrive and hotmail.
And if Win8 will be a hit (I already bought Vista on a first day of sale - never again the same mistake! ) than I will consider getting it for my desktop and perhaps swapping a hybrid mobile device.
Does it make sense?
michiganenginerd said:
If you are going to buy a Win RT tablet, it is up to you, but I would probably buy a 200-300 android tablet, and then sell it and buy a windows one if/when it becomes a compelling device for you.
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Exactly what I wrote above .
dazza9075 said:
most of your questions have been answered, but im going to add a question (for you) an answer it
Should I buy a tablet now?
No, is the answer.
MS and its hardware partners have made some very interesting gains in the touch technology, not to mention Intels gains in performance / low watt CPUs.
if you buy now you will be missing out on some great tech especially around touch screens so it really would be a bit daft to buy just now, you also run the risk of it not supporting Win 8 completely as well. Seriously, wait it out until Win 8 comes, if you must get an older current gen device (perhaps price constrained?) then it will be cheaper then too
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Well... I see your points, but...
It is still long wait for Win8, devices, decent reviews, all the hype and prices to settle and actual (physical) choice in the shop. I remember all the hype about competition to iPad 1 when it came out - it took almost a over year for devices to get to shops (remember CES and MWC in 2010 and 2011) - it is 2012 and not all devices are here.
How long it took Xoom to get to shops outside USA...?
Although Win8 (RT as well???) will go on sale after holidays... time for actual devices with the system (laptops, ultrabooks, netbooks, desktops, all in one PC's, tablets and hybrid tablets [have I missed anything?]) to get to the shop is a whole different story.
Meaning.... if it will take another (at least) 6-8 months to have an actual choice in the shops is it worth to wait and suffer in the mean time? But if I do get a TF300/Prime now - will I need a Win8 replacement for it?
sounds like you already made your mind up what you want to do and that Win 8 will not be as good as we think.
So perhaps save yourself to hassle and don't bother with it.
As for buying now that's up to you, but Win 8 wont be that long, hardware will be out soon and if you don't want that new hardware the older stuff will be a lot cheaper. 8 months after launch is way to far down the line, MS will be bending OEMs over backwards to get hardware out for launch.
You would be completely Bonkers buying now, we are about to get an RC of win 8, ARM will be getting developed in parallel, OEMs will have hardware taped out already to test the OS, which is something Apple doesn't have to worry too much about as they build the OS and hardware around one another where as Windows needs to support it all hence the longer development cycle and early gear in the wild
IF you get something now, there is no guarantee it will work or work well with Win RT or x86, so yes, potentially you will need to get new gear, and of course Win RT is OEM only meaning you can only get it with hardware soo.... you choice I guess.
As Dazza said it sounds like you have pretty much made up your mind. But in case there is still value in conversation.
galtom said:
Why not let ARM do what x86 does
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Exisiting applications written for windows cannot just run on a ARM device. They need to be modified to support and recompiled.
Existing applications written for desktops and laptops, even if they could run with no changes, would result in a poor experience.
You have two types of devices: Windows & Windows RT
You have two types of applications: Metro & Classic
RT devices are low power tablets running metro only.
Windows devices are likely to be ultrabooks, convertible laptops, and desktops running what they run today.
If you want a tablet, Win RT is a tablet with a full copy of office and a fun interface that will do what an iPad or an android tablet does, but is a device aimed at content consumption, not generation.
If you want a hybrid, you'll be be buying an x86 device, at least in the near future.
Not letting Diablo II & HALO run on Windows RT isn't just an arbitrary restriction. It won't run. It wasn't written, compiled, and tested on an ARM architecture.
galtom said:
Restrictions / curation:
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OSX is adding sandboxing and store requirements over time. Expect in 10 years you have to buy apps from the Mac Store.
Microsoft is heading down the same path, at least for Metro applications. Expect in 10 years, consumers buy most apps from the Windows Store.
Is that a good thing? For some consumers probably. For a developer maybe. For an xda-reader not so much.
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As for flash, it will be very unlikely to come to Windows RT.
Win RT browser will not support plugins.
Adobe has ended new development of Flash on ARM to focus on HTML5.
galtom said:
Why would I buy Win8 RT over android if it is restricted?
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Why would you choose Android over an iPad?
You choose what is the most compelling to you.
Maybe you like METRO, want domain support, or full native MS Office.
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It is still long wait for Win8 devices.
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It isn't that long. Release Candidate is first week of June.
I am running it on an AMD E-350 acer tablet I bought for $300, and I use it over my Transformer.
I hold onto my transformer still to use with Citrix Reciever,
Otherwise I use a laptop, an E-350 hybrid, and an A100 as my devices today.
Expect end of summer that 5 point devices, using the new touch technology go on sale.
Expect late fall devices are sold for the holidays.
What you do is up to you as an individual about what is compelling.
For me I can't wait to buy device like the IdeaPad Yoga. I'll switch to using that and a 7" tablet.
If you are happy with Android, the Transformer is fine, I just find myself using the 7" or a full laptop. I rarely use the 10".
You sound fairly unhappy about Win 8's existance. I'm happy to have more choices.
For me, I will reduce my 4 devices to two, one of which I'm excited about. I won't be likely to buy an RT device, but I expect many will.
We aren't the average user that is being targeted by an RT Device. My parents use a 10" tablet for 90% of their internet. They get on a laptop or desktop for writing long emails, uploading photos & using office. If their tablet had widi to wirelessly throw the screen to a monitor, and could use office, they would probably never use their laptop.
Sales People & Relationship Managers that carry around iPads or Androids also can get a device that works with their corporate domain, and has full office on it. For many that would meet their needs.
But just because Windows RT doesn't meet the needs of an average xda user, doesn't mean it fails for the millions of people using netbooks & 5 year old laptops to browse the web, pay bills online, and occasionally use office.
michiganenginerd said:
As Dazza said it sounds like you have pretty much made up your mind. But in case there is still value in conversation.
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Yes, that is true but only to a point.
At the moment I think I will give ICS on Asus TF a try and byt the end of the year if x86 tablets with W8 will get good reviews I think I will jump the ship.
My concern (I had Asus 1201n with Atom 330 onboard and have Samsung NC10) is performance of current Atom chips - is it really better (forget about watching smooth YT video on NC10 - and it is not a problem on iPad!).
Heat! - cant have tablet with active cooling system.
Weight! - the likes of current fliptop netbook/tablets its just not nice (heavy and hot).
Battery life - 8h is a must (basically x86 W8 tablet [with a dock] has to be able to work (videos, internet, e-mail - nothing very heavy) to work 1 day
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Originally Posted by galtom
Why not let ARM do what x86 does
Exisiting applications written for windows cannot just run on a ARM device. They need to be modified to support and recompiled.
Existing applications written for desktops and laptops, even if they could run with no changes, would result in a poor experience.
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This is not exactly what I have asked or at least not what I meant.
It is clear from me that x86 and ARM are two different platforms and I have never, ever expected old software to work on ARM devices.
But! If x86 can have both desktop and Metro why limit W-RT? If someone wants to create an ARM app that will support both modes, if users will want to use it...? Why not let us have the option to do so.
Second is the limitation of the sources of the software.
I can not imagine that W-RT will not get jailbroken as iOS is. But since iOS i way ahead of Windows and there is lots of Android devices on the market I can not see this as a PLUS point for W-RT, quite opposite.
W-RT (and devices with this system) will have to compete with:
- iOS: that is well marketed, well known, still cool, less restricted (no problem in swapping iTunes accounts), people already spend cash on software for their iPads, there is Office for iOS + lots of other business & entertainment software - why would current Apple customers ditch iPads?
Why would and iOS device owner said - OOO, another closed and restricted enviromet just looking different - I want it! - somehow I do not see that happening
- Android: envelope of openness that surrounds Android, no problem with root, community support, ROMS, apps from Google (or from wherever you want), probably a bit lower prices of devices, as iOS (in most cases) works with all Microsoft services + points as in iOS - folks have already spent cash on software, some devices are already in second or third generation
- Windows 8 x86 it has everything W-RT has + lots of more. Beats iOS and Android in terms of software availability, it is basically what you now have on desktop and laptop but with the proper support for touch (when you need it), if Intel&Friends will solve problems of weight/heat/battery life and price range will not be as for current line of Windows tablets it looks like a winner to me.
Having said (wrote) all that - why would Joe go to the shop and said:
"Gimme' that Asus with Windows RT" - instead of iOS, Android or Windows 8 device???
michiganenginerd said:
If you want a tablet, Win RT is a tablet with a full copy of office and a fun interface that will do what an iPad or an android tablet does, but is a device aimed at content consumption, not generation.
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Office for RT and Office for x86 - two different things :-(
+ Office for iOS should be here any moment (I thought it is already out). As much as MS would love to ignore iOS and keep Office out of iPAD I do not think they can. how many millions devices is already out there? If only 25% of those people would want one of Office products... its quite a lot of cash...
+ to all points above - there is also a question of price of the software for all platforms and system itself.
What's more, considering how big profit Apple is making on iPad it seems as lots of room for price adjustment once Windows8 & RT devices are out.
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If you want a hybrid, you'll be be buying an x86 device, at least in the near future.
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Quite true, but since I miss this sort of functionality every day (and I doubt I am only one) why not go for TF300 or TF Prime now?
There is nothing wrong with those devices and when I look at ICS and what RT will bring to table I do not see any reasonable points that would convince me to wait (that was the reason I wrote here - to see I my line of thinking is correct. So far (unfortunately for W-RT) you have not wrote that I am wrong or that I have misunderstood something about Windows RT.
The only thing worth considering are devices with x86 Windows onboard but:
- its still few months (in the mean time I could give ICS a try?
- they are unknown in terms of battery/heat/weight and price!
Windows RT seems like a great idea that was f...up during creation. If Windows RT would be first on the market (before iPad with iOS and Android) - no problem. They could do all that and people would still get it... nowadays, whey MS is trying to chase others... I do not really see it happening with Windows 8 RT looking as it is.
It is pretty similar to situation with Windows Phone. It is not a bad system... but it is not better either. In some case is like or a bit worse than iOS in some it is like or a bit worse than Android - but it is not BETTER.
And just look how iPhone and Android phones are selling. look where is manufacturers focus.
Samsung/LG/Sony/HTC - how many Android models and how many WP models?
I got strange felling that W-RT will share the same fate. It will be there but not as any threat to iOS or Android, unlike x86 Windows 8 if Intel&Co will deliver.
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Yes, and there is nothing wrong with this... especially that (I hope) with x86 version we will always keep the choice where we want our software to get from.
Looking at the history (of thing in general) I can not remember 1 good exaple where introduction of more and additional restrictions actually worked well. It is against human nature.
If in 10-15 Windows will become completely shut... than Linux (or something else) might raise its head and actually win hearts of customers - like Apple did not so far ago!
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Is that a good thing? For some consumers probably. For a developer maybe. For an xda-reader not so much.
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Can not agree! It is bad for every one - even developers as they will be forced to accept any policy and conditions from Microsoft (similar to what it is right now with Apple ).
Limiting the choice is never good for anyone beside "The Man" in control.
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As for flash, it will be very unlikely to come to Windows RT.
Win RT browser will not support plugins.
Adobe has ended new development of Flash on ARM to focus on HTML5.
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And with recent news that RT will not support other browser but its own, best it is another point against this system.
It looks to me as MS is doing all it actually can to make it bad.
michiganenginerd said:
Why would you choose Android over an iPad?
You choose what is the most compelling to you.
Maybe you like METRO, want domain support, or full native MS Office.
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EXACTLY! If all above is true... who is going to get W-RT???
It will sell but only to people with no idea what they are buying, who dont really need it and who will not really use it (will not buy additional apps). Because if they do, if that will think before they buy... W-RT will be the last on the list (unless it will be the cheapest - which I doubt!)
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It isn't that long. Release Candidate is first week of June.
I am running it on an AMD E-350 acer tablet I bought for $300, and I use it over my Transformer.
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If only there would be an x86 ver of transformer with no fans to cool it down I would already be on it and this thread would not exist.
I just wanted to make sure that I am not missing something about Windows RT or situation in general.
I hold onto my transformer still to use with Citrix Reciever,
Otherwise I use a laptop, an E-350 hybrid, and an A100 as my devices today.
Expect end of summer that 5 point devices, using the new touch technology go on sale.
Expect late fall devices are sold for the holidays.
What you do is up to you as an individual about what is compelling.
For me I can't wait to buy device like the IdeaPad Yoga. I'll switch to using that and a 7" tablet.
If you are happy with Android, the Transformer is fine, I just find myself using the 7" or a full laptop. I rarely use the 10".
You sound fairly unhappy about Win 8's existance. I'm happy to have more choices.
For me, I will reduce my 4 devices to two, one of which I'm excited about. I won't be likely to buy an RT device, but I expect many will.
We aren't the average user that is being targeted by an RT Device. My parents use a 10" tablet for 90% of their internet. They get on a laptop or desktop for writing long emails, uploading photos & using office. If their tablet had widi to wirelessly throw the screen to a monitor, and could use office, they would probably never use their laptop.
Sales People & Relationship Managers that carry around iPads or Androids also can get a device that works with their corporate domain, and has full office on it. For many that would meet their needs.
But just because Windows RT doesn't meet the needs of an average xda user, doesn't mean it fails for the millions of people using netbooks & 5 year old laptops to browse the web, pay bills online, and occasionally use office.
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Short version:
W-RT is not for targeted at You, I, or many xda-readers. That doesn't mean it doesn't have a place or that the option existing is bad.
galtom said:
Heat, Weight, Battery Life!
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Intel is getting closer, but you just can't pull off an iPad size / weight device with 8h+ battery life on x86. The tech isn't there yet.
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If x86 can have both desktop and Metro why limit W-RT?
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W-RT is OEM only. It is meant to be an 'appliance' not a PC.
Whether you agree with the approach or not, the justifications for limiting are somewhat explained here:
Microsoft's Windows chief Steven Sinofsky:
If we enabled the broad porting of existing code we would fail to deliver on our commitment to longer battery life, predictable performance, and especially a reliable experience over time. The conventions used by today's Windows apps do not necessarily provide this, whether it is background processes, polling loops, timers, system hooks, startup programs, registry changes, kernel mode code, admin rights, unsigned drivers, add-ins, or a host of other common techniques.
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/...ndows-for-the-arm-processor-architecture.aspx
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I can not imagine that W-RT will not get jailbroken as iOS is.
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Less immediate need to jailbreak it. There are supported methods of sideloading, but I am sure there will be other people who extend it beyond that.
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why would Joe go to the shop and said:
"Gimme' that Asus with Windows RT" - instead of iOS, Android or Windows 8 device???
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Joe may work for a BYOD company, or Joe is buying for his company.
Joe may be my Father, who would like a tablet device he could do email, netflix, hulu, office, and wireless screencasting.
Some Joe's this will work for, other's it won't. We have to recognize, just because we aren't the target market doesn't mean their isn't one.
Many Joe's will buy an iPad or an Android, some will buy W-RT, some will buy none of the above.
A device that is 300-500 dollars, that comes with a free copy of office, and integrates well with a enterprise, has a market.
galtom said:
Office for RT and Office for x86 - two different things
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Excel, OneNote, PowerPoint and Word are expected to support all of the same Office 15 x86 features.
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Windows Phone. It is not a bad system... but it is not better either.
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Agreed, except in the base security model, and as a feature phone replacement. The phone is massively ahead in terms of sandboxing and enforcing secure practices. It would also be a better phone in terms of ease of use and simplicity for a subset of users. Would I replace my Android with it? no. But that doesn't mean it doesn't do some things well, and that their are users who would find the experience simpler than iPhone or Android when buying their first smartphone.
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It will be there but not as any threat to iOS or Android, unlike x86 Windows 8 if Intel&Co will deliver.
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Does something have to be an 'iPad Killer' for there to be a place for it? Why is choice a bad thing?
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Restrictions .... bad for every one
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For some consumers the security and curation makes their experience better, for some the restrictions outweigh any benefit.
For some developers the market will be better than one not existing, for some the restrictions outweigh any benefit.
For most people on this board the restrictions outweigh the upside.
As a developer, while I hate the restrictions Apple and MS impose, I also now have a market to sell to that did not exist 10 years ago.
I will continue to be a proponent of more open options, and an end to restrictions put in place to support a business model rather than architecture or security, but that doesnt' mean that the app store's existance is a net negative on my life.
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RT will not support other browser but its own
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Not true. RT will not support other browsers in 'Classic / Desktop' mode.
I think MS should work with major vendors to allow them to deliver 'classic' mode applications on ARM, but this isn't a ban on other browsers, it's a ban on all software that does not run in the sandbox.
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It will sell but only to people with no idea what they are buying
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I share concern in this area. I believe that most people who bought netbooks did not get what they expected.
I do think there is a place for these devices for a larger group of users than netbooks had a place for.
But I do think they need to make sure it is sold / marketed in a way that makes it clear what it is, and what it is not.
I will probably get my Father one for Christmas. I probably will not get one of my own. Different users have different needs, hopefully the marketing, sales, and staffs at stores do a better job of directing them.
Hi everyone
I haven't posted / lurked the firums here since back when I baught my original nexus one phone.
Shortly after that the iPhone 4 and eventually the 4s came out and I have found it hard to go back to android ( I liked the simplicity of iOS)
Lately i am getting over the struggle between Apple and the hackers that allow customers do do what they want with their device. ( I always have my iPhone hacked just so I can run the tweaks apple don't provide)
The apple tv pairs quite nicely with my iPhone and I have also hacked that to run plex so I can stream from my pc.
Development for plex on apple tv is slow and usually buggy due to apples restrictions and every update means developers need to wait for a jailbreak before they can continue development..
Which brings me to the point of this post. The nexus q just might be what I need to come back to android.
These are what would convince me to come back
1. Streaming from pc not just from google play ( I believe it's already being worked on / almost done )
2. Plex / other apps like airtight working ( I believe they should eventually)
3. This would be the icing on the cake. Being able to start a movie / tv show that is on my pc over 3G. Eg. Tge girlfriend is at home and wants to watch a movie but is not too tech savvy so I load plex or a similar app on my phone while I'm at work and select a movie from my library that is on my pc at home and it starts playing on the nexus q!
Should these become a reality I would buy a galaxy s3 and a nexus q right away.
What other things would MAKE you buy a nexus q?
Well only two reasons prevent me from buying one.
Nexus Q is not available in Europe
No Music/Movie/TV Shows in the german Play store
So without the ability to stream whatever I want without the Play Store, it is quite useless at the moment. As soon as stable Custom Roms allow me to stream over WiFi and/or run XBMC I'll import one.
I like the Design, the basic Idea and well, Android. I just don't get why Google kind of messed this up by leaving it up to the Community to make this Ball of any use.
I am hoping the awesome devs have this thing cracked wide open with opportunity soon.
As for the leaving it to the community i kind of like the idea. Its like Google saying we trust the community and don't want to influence them one way or another so they gave them pretty much an empty slate to work with.
You can do music. vpn into music.google then it activates.
I just wish this thing wasn't $299.
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sonikot said:
You can do music. vpn into music.google then it activates.
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I have activated music, however I can't order anything since checkout does not let me buy stuff with my credit card. Besides that I'd have to use a proxy 24/7 which slows down everything. That is not the kind of "experience" google wants to deliver and I don't want to have it either.
It is time that Google goes global with those things, can't be that hard...
greyphil said:
I have activated music, however I can't order anything since checkout does not let me buy stuff with my credit card. Besides that I'd have to use a proxy 24/7 which slows down everything. That is not the kind of "experience" google wants to deliver and I don't want to have it either.
It is time that Google goes global with those things, can't be that hard...
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My guess is the problem lies with the content deals being restricted by geographic region. Blame the content owners.
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I say a realistic price would spur my purchase. $99.
Frankly, with my PC connected to my TVs and audio receiver already, and my phone, tablets, etc already able to connect to my PC and/or TV, I just don't see an advantage to this device.
I'm sure the new nexus q will have some awesome features, I'm not sure about the ones you need but the wonderful thing about android is I'm sure one of our great developers will make that all possible. I have the q and I like it, I'm definitely going to need some more features to really love it but what I have now is great... Especially because it's free.
The new one will most likely be cheaper and have more features I think that it will be better than the Apple tv.
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Frankly, with my PC connected to my TVs and audio receiver already, and my phone, tablets, etc already able to connect to my PC and/or TV, I just don't see an advantage to this device.
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Agreed
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Samsung Phones
If you own Samsung devices, just get allshare.
I have a ps3 and I can stream content to it via Wi-Fi from my PC or my nexus 7.... really no reason for a Q. If I were to get it, it would be because it looks cool.
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Logomotph said:
I have a ps3 and I can stream content to it via Wi-Fi from my PC or my nexus 7.... really no reason for a Q. If I were to get it, it would be because it looks cool.
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+1 I was pretty excited about the Q when I first saw it. I liked the design, the size of it etc but the reviews had me thinking I was better off with my PS3 set up.
hey
has anyone hacked one of these to do other things
Someone needs to buy/donate one of these for a capable dev for Christmas.
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has anyone hacked one of these to do other things
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Of course. The thing that I did immediately was get SqueezePlayer running on it. This allows the Q to play local music over the network in just about any format (e.g. mp3, 24-bit flac, etc.). Control is handled by an app on your phone/tablet like Orange Squeeze, Squeeze Commander, Logitech Squeezebox Controller, or by pointing your browser to the Logitech Media Server's web interface. Oh, by the way, this also works with Squeezebox apps (e.g. Spotify, Pandora, Rhapsody, Slacker, MOG, etc.). Checkout the list here: http://www.mysqueezebox.com/appgallery
The Q has a ton of potential right out of the box and is easily worth what it is going for on eBay these days - if the user is savvy enough to exploit its potential.
I think the Q was the perfect device for a place like a bedroom where you'd otherwise just have a simple shelf unit (or I do at least). It's more convenient and a bit cleaner than always connecting your phone to the aux input. Plus, it's nice to be able to control it remotely.
The only thing is that it's too expensive. It's priced as a high-end device, but in most of us already have a "high-end" solution for this sort of thing (ie: a PC or similar) which can do a lot more. A device like the Q needs to be [just a bit] cheaper so that it can compete with a shelf unit. Though I realize I'm not the first one to say this.