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I just tried asphalt 5 on my evo and it lags alot. The menu screen and start up are fine, the lag starts once you get into the actual game play and just cant stand it. I thought the 1ghz was going to take care of gaming but I guess not. Any body else with problems as well, or its something froyo will fix? Love the phone but my iphone 2g plays games smoother!
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I just tried asphalt 5 on my evo and it lags alot. The menu screen and start up are fine, the lag starts once you get into the actual game play and just cant stand it. I thought the 1ghz was going to take care of gaming but I guess not. Any body else with problems as well, or its something froyo will fix? Love the phone but my iphone 2g plays games smoother!
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Its the Sense UI wait for a ASOP ROM
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Its the Sense UI wait for a ASOP ROM
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God I sure hope so
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I just tried asphalt 5 on my evo and it lags alot. The menu screen and start up are fine, the lag starts once you get into the actual game play and just cant stand it. I thought the 1ghz was going to take care of gaming but I guess not. Any body else with problems as well, or its something froyo will fix? Love the phone but my iphone 2g plays games smoother!
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its gamelofts fault..they didnt optimize it for snapdragon..buuut do you have the latest one? 3.1.3...and froyo does make a huge improvement but the latest one runs perfect on mine
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its not sense..it ran laggy on my nexus one
runs pretty smooth on my evo......wierd
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its not sense..it ran laggy on my nexus one
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Just an assumption but i bet 1 FPS is Sense UI's fault
It is not a well built game. It is not designed for our phones. It is simply a port from the iPhone
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It is not a well built game. It is not designed for our phones. It is simply a port from the iPhone
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Now that makes more sense, I was sad that my phone couldn't run everything
There is not an Android phone in existence that this game will run smooth on LOL Maybe DroidX once it's released because it will have the best GPU available in an Android phone at that time but even that i'm not sure. I suspect DroidX will end up seeing some games only developed for it to take advantage of it's GPU like Need for Speed etc...
If your a gamer you might prefer DroidX but EVO is much nicer as a phone/internet/multimedia device. Kind of a catch 22.
driodx and reg droid can run this game i believe, because they have an actual dedicated GPU
Droid X and the old Droid carry the same GPU look at spec sheets. Also the Droid X doesn't have the best GPU of any Android device the new Galaxy S series spanks it.
http://lifehacker.com/5575317/smart...edium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+lifehacker/full
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Droid X and the old Droid carry the same GPU look at spec sheets. Also the Droid X doesn't have the best GPU of any Android device the new Galaxy S series spanks it.
http://lifehacker.com/5575317/smart...edium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+lifehacker/full
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Bah I always forget about the Galaxy S, Samsung is not in my playbook given their past record with Android phones and thier terrible support along with that iPhone looking UI they put on thier devices they end up looking like those cheap chinese iphone knockoffs you get for 29.99 on EBAY LOL If I wanted an iPhone i'd buy an iPhone...not a Samsung!
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Bah I always forget about the Galaxy S, Samsung is not in my playbook given their past record with Android phones and thier terrible support along with that iPhone looking UI they put on thier devices they end up looking like those cheap chinese iphone knockoffs you get for 29.99 on EBAY LOL If I wanted an iPhone i'd buy an iPhone...not a Samsung!
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Yawn... rather have a Samsung with an iPhone skin that's easily un-installed or disabled than a pos Evo with hardware limitations and unexplainable lag. Honestly saying Samsung has bad build quality makes me laugh since of all the phone makers HTC has the most build quality control issues than any other phone maker in the industry. Samsung TVs, PHONES, DVD Players etc... win awards pretty much every year and while their support isn't outstanding neither is HTC's, matter of a fact the Hero came out before the Moment and the Moment got their 2.1 update before the Hero. Not to mention the Hero never even got the 1.6 update which the Moment did so really HTC has even worse support.
I just loaded the game up again and I don't know what they did but the game plays pretty damn smooth now, much different than the last time I played it. Make sure you have the latest update.
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Yawn... rather have a Samsung with an iPhone skin that's easily un-installed or disabled than a pos Evo with hardware limitations and unexplainable lag. Honestly saying Samsung has bad build quality makes me laugh since of all the phone makers HTC has the most build quality control issues than any other phone maker in the industry. Samsung TVs, PHONES, DVD Players etc... win awards pretty much every year and while their support isn't outstanding neither is HTC's, matter of a fact the Hero came out before the Moment and the Moment got their 2.1 update before the Hero. Not to mention the Hero never even got the 1.6 update which the Moment did so really HTC has even worse support.
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Sorry didn't realize you were a Samsung fangirl, I don't like Samsung phones and I really hate the way they try and copy the iPhone...if I want an iPhone i'll buy an iPhone, it's as simple as that but if you like thier phones there is nothing wrong with that.
I love my EVO
Cheers
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Not to mention the Hero never even got the 1.6 update which the Moment did so really HTC has even worse support.
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The Samsung Moment never got 1.6 btw. The only problem having a Samsung device, is the lack of DEV support. Youre kind of all alone out there. With HTC having so many phones, and a lot sharing the same components, theres a lot more people like XDA working on the issues. When the galaxy comes out, this would be my biggest issue about getting it, not to mention, I really love my EVO.
Samsung Moment did get the 2.1 update by Sprint. I dunno what you're talking about. Same with the Hero.
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Samsung Moment did get the 2.1 update by Sprint. I dunno what you're talking about. Same with the Hero.
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Yikes! I meant 1.6! Edited my post......
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I just tried asphalt 5 on my evo and it lags alot. The menu screen and start up are fine, the lag starts once you get into the actual game play and just cant stand it. I thought the 1ghz was going to take care of gaming but I guess not. Any body else with problems as well, or its something froyo will fix? Love the phone but my iphone 2g plays games smoother!
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No is been blazing! It's pretty addictive and i am not a gamer. No lag at all. I am not on an OC kernel. 002 with Nova screen. Played it on several ROM's all good.
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Yawn... rather have a Samsung with an iPhone skin that's easily un-installed or disabled than a pos Evo with hardware limitations and unexplainable lag. Honestly saying Samsung has bad build quality makes me laugh since of all the phone makers HTC has the most build quality control issues than any other phone maker in the industry. Samsung TVs, PHONES, DVD Players etc... win awards pretty much every year and while their support isn't outstanding neither is HTC's, matter of a fact the Hero came out before the Moment and the Moment got their 2.1 update before the Hero. Not to mention the Hero never even got the 1.6 update which the Moment did so really HTC has even worse support.
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Go rant in the Samsung section why waste your time here on the POS EVO thread?
I'm looking to get a new Android phone. I'm currently using an iPhone 4 which I love but would love to play with Froyo. I've previously had the Sprint Hero, European Hero, Nexus 1, and the Droid Incredible... I'm looking to get an Android phone that I can stick with and won't be dissatisfied with and it looks like Froyo will aide in this significantly. I'm looking for a FAST phone with the highest res screen I can find on an droid phone to use with Froyo... Any suggestions?
to itpromike - which android phone ?
dear itpromike
i dont know about Froyo, but so far the best android phone out so far, and that i know of, is the HTC DESIRE. it has really good resolution also. the camera is very sharp and clear. YouTube runs very nicely; 1Ghz processor is just too cool, the fastest in today's phones.
i have had it for 10 days now, and so far no problems with it at all in any area. i think i have tried all the things worth trying, except for music. yeah, sorry that i have not tried yet.
best regards
o2-lover
Thanks for the reply mate. What network is the desire on?
I've had many android phones and I'm currently using the samsung galaxy s. In my opinion it's easily the best handset on the market the now.screen is amazing with the super amoled, and can play divx hd files! And has tv out. I believe it will also receive the froyo update.
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Unfortunately I don't think the Galaxy S is here in the states yet... Also I wish it had an option to turn the Samsung skin off so I could have the stock Android look/feel.
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Unfortunately I don't think the Galaxy S is here in the states yet... Also I wish it had an option to turn the Samsung skin off so I could have the stock Android look/feel.
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x2 on galaxy s...its available for preorders tomorrow 15 jul. and also available on wirefly...this phone has a dedicated gpu..some say 4x better gfx processing than the i phone 4..im preordering 1 tomorrow from tmobile...Cheers!!
Don't get a phone with a Snapdragon processor in it. The graphics sucks and will never compare to even the oldest iPhone. Your best bet it in the Droid X or Droid 2 on Verizon. Or one of the 5 Galaxy S phones coming to each of the major providers in the US.
I personally recommend the Sprint Epic 4G. It's a Galaxy S phone with front facing camera, hardware keyboard, and 4G WiMax network. The data plans on Sprint are extremely cheap and cost less than any other provider, even with the required $10 4G data plan.
I recently moved to an HTC Desire from a 3GS and I'm loving it! Given the choice I would go for a Droid X...
I think you need to get your sources straight. I have used all the iPhones up to the 3GS, and the Nexus One's graphic resolution is so far better than any of them. So when you're saying "The graphics sucks and will never compare to even the oldest iPhone", I don't think you have enough experience using smart phones to make such a statement.
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Don't get a phone with a Snapdragon processor in it. The graphics sucks and will never compare to even the oldest iPhone. Your best bet it in the Droid X or Droid 2 on Verizon. Or one of the 5 Galaxy S phones coming to each of the major providers in the US.
I personally recommend the Sprint Epic 4G. It's a Galaxy S phone with front facing camera, hardware keyboard, and 4G WiMax network. The data plans on Sprint are extremely cheap and cost less than any other provider, even with the required $10 4G data plan.
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I would take Desire, if i didn't take Legend a month ago
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I think you need to get your sources straight. I have used all the iPhones up to the 3GS, and the Nexus One's graphic resolution is so far better than any of them. So when you're saying "The graphics sucks and will never compare to even the oldest iPhone", I don't think you have enough experience using smart phones to make such a statement.
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There is a difference between resolution on websites, text, and video than there are on games. I had a Nexus one, when I had it there were NO games on the Android Market that matched the visual quality of the iPhone games. Prince of Persia, Assassins Creed, Street Fighter 4, Archetype, hell even Field Runners are all games that I haven't seen matched in the Android Market yet. Keep in mind, I've had Sprint Hero, Euro Hero, Nexus One, and an Incredible... so I know what I'm talking about. By the very technical nature of the hardware, the iPhone having a really good dedicated GPU (by mobile standards) it would impossible for a non dedicated GPU solution to match it.
My concern now is if I get the Droid X, or one of the Galaxy Phones that have a dedicated GPU, will developers make a variety of games to use these dedicated GPU's seeing as the majority of Android phones do not have one... Will developers risk the money spent in time and development for the minority of phones. AND if they do, how do I go about finding these on the Android market?
I wish Google would make a section for specific phones that applications or games might be optimized for or some way to tell what hardware a game was optimized for.
Lastly another consideration for my decision is how long I will have to wait to get 2.2 on my phone. I'd take a slightly less good phone if it means there is 6 months I have less to wait on getting 2.2. The whole reason I'm getting an Android phone again anyway is for 2.2, 2.1 wasn't that great to me.
I really appreciate all the answers guys, it's got me thinking. So far I'm thinking about the Droid X, or Samsung Galaxy (or whatever each carrier calls it)...
I thought about the Desire but does anyone know if it has a dedicated GPU?
Another for the galaxy s,
The display is amazing, doesn't suffer from the subpixel issues of earlier amoled's, very vibrant and a nice size.
Very nice cpu and gpu combo.
And getting froyo in august according to a rep I spoke to when I bought mine.
Though, I don't think you'll be disappointed with any handset you get.
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I agree with o2-lovers, also because i have a Desire
However is a good phone, fabulous screen, good cpu...
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Droid x is digitally signed... so if you like root, good luck... I'm waiting for Verizon's new HTC... lord knows when or what that will be but they have to out do the evo... right? Just my thoughts
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Desire uses the snapdragon, which includes an adreno gpu as part of the SoC. It is not independantly clockable.
If you really want to "play" with android, you should stick with your n1. Hardware-wise it is still basically tied for first with a bunch of new phones, and you can count on the fact that new android developments (including official Google releases like gingerbread) will happen for the n1 first.
A strong argument can be made for the n1 being the best phone in the world, still.
Don't get a droidx. They aren't as nasty as people think but it will be a while before it is rooted and there's no guarantee that its hardware will be supported by the devs quickly.
Galaxy S phones will be nice, with very good gpus and technically superior screens to the n1. You wont, however, really notice a difference in the screens, and Samsung phones are not likely to be hot modding tickets, at least here on xda. The better performance in numbers wont translate to the performance gains by software modding to the n1 by a long shot, either.
Also don't get a desire. Its the exact same hardware as the n1 (trackball vs. optical sensor, a non-issue really, and the camera res although the nexus's smaller photos have been tested to look much better despite that) except for the desire running sense, which is slow and awful. If you happen to like sense, hell, you can put it on your n1.
Just saying man. Never liked a phone as much as my nexus. Good luck on the hunt.
P.s. because I have my nexus, I have been running 2.2 (stock, then CyanogenMod 6) for a while. Love it. Don't expect to see 2.2 on anything else officially until fall.
I suggest the Galaxy S as well
currently the best screen out on the market in any device, iPhone 4's screen has slightly higher resolution but, colors will will definitely make the galaxy's screen more vibrant and 'alive'
the hummingbird processor in the galaxy is the fastest and most powerful cpu available in any phone right now, the GPU, is built into the cpu, its not separate, therefore games are easily able to run on this phone, you just...need a game that would be able to put it to the test.
currently so far as i know, quake 3 is the most graphics intensive game for android, and that's a cakewalk for the galaxy
as far as the touchwiz skin, i like it lol, keeps me away from a lot of android's flaws
but no froyo on it yet, samsung has confirmed it's release soon though
who has 1GHZ cpu
i think the phone who has 1GHZ cpu
because android 3.0 minimum requirrement
so if u want to use this platform one day i think must have this phone
Get a classic bad boy like the NEXUS ONE!
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There is a difference between resolution on websites, text, and video than there are on games. I had a Nexus one, when I had it there were NO games on the Android Market that matched the visual quality of the iPhone games. Prince of Persia, Assassins Creed, Street Fighter 4, Archetype, hell even Field Runners are all games that I haven't seen matched in the Android Market yet. Keep in mind, I've had Sprint Hero, Euro Hero, Nexus One, and an Incredible... so I know what I'm talking about. By the very technical nature of the hardware, the iPhone having a really good dedicated GPU (by mobile standards) it would impossible for a non dedicated GPU solution to match it.
My concern now is if I get the Droid X, or one of the Galaxy Phones that have a dedicated GPU, will developers make a variety of games to use these dedicated GPU's seeing as the majority of Android phones do not have one... Will developers risk the money spent in time and development for the minority of phones. AND if they do, how do I go about finding these on the Android market?
I wish Google would make a section for specific phones that applications or games might be optimized for or some way to tell what hardware a game was optimized for.
Lastly another consideration for my decision is how long I will have to wait to get 2.2 on my phone. I'd take a slightly less good phone if it means there is 6 months I have less to wait on getting 2.2. The whole reason I'm getting an Android phone again anyway is for 2.2, 2.1 wasn't that great to me.
I really appreciate all the answers guys, it's got me thinking. So far I'm thinking about the Droid X, or Samsung Galaxy (or whatever each carrier calls it)...
I thought about the Desire but does anyone know if it has a dedicated GPU?
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hi guys. i dont know how much high graphics quality you need, but Desire works well for me in all areas that i use it for, including sharp quality images of camera.
PLUS IPHONE has compatiblity issues with other brands and a number of limitations which Android and Desire do not have.
SNAPDRAGON processor works beautifully and i just love the speeds.
with all due respect, APPLE has been in the world for a long time, with its ups and downs. Google has recently entered into the operating system sector, maybe 3 or 4 years, if i am not wrong. So, you need to be patient and give them time to come up to your expectations.
if Steve Jobs had not been recalled to Apple, it was gone. it was on the verge of bankruptcy, you know.
as for android and gpu, best is to read different articles and send your suggestions to the android people, rather than criticise them.
best regards
o2-lover
Go for Galasy S, one of the best Android phone i have in my hands
Every day new smartphones come out. Faster phones. Better phones. Slicker phones. Especially since Google introduced Android, the smartphone market has got a big boost. Before you know it, your o so special phone isn't so special anymore. You are getting more and more jealous, and then you can't resist anymore. After using phone 1.0 for half a year, you decide to buy phone 2.0, which is faster, better and slicker.
This is probably a recognizable story for some people. Still having the same phone after two years is not done. Besides, getting jealous is inevitable. The trick as a manufacturer is to create a smartphone that is special enough to last even if there are other phones that are faster, better and slicker. Inventing such feature is very hard. If you bring a phone on the market with a dual-core processor today, you can't expect it to be special after a year.
Remaining special is a very common problem for smartphones. You can't prevent phones from getting more advanced technology, but you can try to delay the 'aging' for as long as possible. People will always be complaining though. And within this forum, I've seen this attitude more than ever. For the Nexus S, the 'aging' seems to begin even before the phone is for sale. A 1Ghz processor isn't very special when dual-core's are lurking around the corner. Therefore, the most common question on this forum is 'which phone is better, the Nexus S or ...?' The snag is to buy a smartphone that will last as long as possible. This topic is about the question how long the Nexus S will last.
Faster
Speed is the most important feature of a smartphone. We don't want lag. We want fluent animations, fast multi-touching and smooth browsing. The 1Ghz processor in the Nexus S is certainly not new. In fact, the Nexus One even had a 1Ghz processor, although that was a Snapdragon, and not a Hummingbird. Where the processor in the Nexus One was something new, in the Nexus S it is not so special anymore. Yet the Nexus S is very fast, certainly faster than the Nexus One. It is the fastest device on the market, for the moment at least.
This year will bring us a lot of dual-core phones. Will the Nexus S be outrunned? I don't think so. It is already fast. There is no feature that really needs a stronger processor. Maybe battery-life will be improved with dual-core, but regarding speed, I am not worried. The only thing you need a better processor for, is games. It is going the same way as it did with computers. You don't need quad-core to browse on the web, use Google Maps or edit a Word document. The only reason computers are getting faster and faster is because of the gaming industry. It will go the same way with smartphones. I personally don't need to play big games on my phone. Why would I want that? The screen is too small, and a touchscreen isn't very gaming-friendly. Besides, I have a Xbox 360 at home. I only want to play games like Angry Birds, and Worms on my smartphone. Games you can play in the bus, train or while waiting.
I would rather see every single flash game on the internet playable on my smartphone, then better processors to be able to play games that are more fun to play on my Xbox 360. At the moment there are no features that need a dual-core processor, at least not for me.
Better
You can't be special with speed. If you bring out a 2Ghz dual-core device, you can be sure that within a couple of months somebody else will also bring a 2Ghz dual-core smartphone on the market. An option is to invent your own screen. Samsung has got his 'Super AMOLED', for example, and Apple got the 'Retina' display.
The Super AMOLED on the Nexus S is pretty good. Vibrant, high-contrast colours appeal to a lot of people. Sure, there are some (including me) who like the sharper and more realistic LCD, but you can't say Super AMOLED isn't beautiful. The Nexus S has actually two versions, also one with Super Clear LCD. This is nothing more than a pimped S-LCD, but it's pretty nice, looking at the Samsung Wave II.
But new displays continue to be invented. Super AMOLED plus is coming, as is Sony's 'Reality Display' with Bravia technology, and LG comes with the crystal clear (at least, that is what they claim)
NOVIA display. Whether these displays are really that nice remains to be seen. You can name it whatever you want, in most technologies I don't see much difference.
Is there any threat for the Nexus S regarding the display? Not more than for any other device. The Super AMOLED and the Super Clear LCD are both very good displays, and I don't see anything special enough invented in the next two years that makes the display of the Nexus S look rubbish.
Nexus
As already mentioned, more than ever people seem to complain about the Nexus S. Complaining stems from dissapointment. Dissapointment stems from expectations. And the expectations of the Nexus S were pretty high. This was mostly due to the fact that it's a Nexus, an Android's flagship. The Nexus One had the same expectations. At that time, the whole Nexus-line was unknown, but it was known that the Nexus One would be a 'Google phone'. It was assumed that this possible iPhone Killer would have top-notch hardware and would be very special. The Nexus One was a good device indeed, but not so special as previously thought. There is, of course, a small group who loves the Nexus One, and I may be one of them. But it didn't have the kind of specialty that people where hoping for.
Being special doesn't seem to be the point for a Nexus. I think it's supposed to draw a line. A Nexus shows what Android is capable of at the moment of sale, but that doesn't mean that it got to have the latest hardware.
Anyway, the same mistake people made with the Nexus One, is now made with the Nexus S. The expectations where just to high. I don't think you need the latest hardware to make a good device, but if you don't come up with something special, people will be dissapointed.
P.S. I'll finish this topic later
I think you're missing a key point: if you're a device manufacturer, you prefer that people buy your new products every six months rather than every two years. They only make money when you buy a device. Not that I think there's some massive conspiracy to keep phones behind the cutting edge, but if there were some way they could make a phone so fantastic that you'd never want another phone again, I doubt they would want to sell it.
for what i use a phone for, the ns hardware should be fine for quite a while. android software is what i don't want to be outdated on. shouldn't be an issue with the ns.
you forget that those dual core phones wont be out for 3 or 4 months
To me, it seems like you wrote that whole essay trying to justify your purchase.
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I think you're missing a key point: if you're a device manufacturer, you prefer that people buy your new products every six months rather than every two years. They only make money when you buy a device. Not that I think there's some massive conspiracy to keep phones behind the cutting edge, but if there were some way they could make a phone so fantastic that you'd never want another phone again, I doubt they would want to sell it.
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It's not a conspiracy, it's called business sense. There's little money in making and selling a perfect, everlasting product. That is the reason incandescent light bulbs last only 1000 hours and inkjet printers screech to a halt after exactly 5000 pages. It's planned obsolescence.
It's also the reason I went for the Nexus S. It doesn't come with planned obsolescence. Google will keep the updates coming much longer than any manufacturer or carrier. If Samsung had updated my I5700 Spica to Android 2.2, I wouldn't have bought the Nexus S. I would even have been willing to pay for the OS update.
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To me, it seems like you wrote that whole essay trying to justify your purchase.
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To me, it seems like you're trolling.
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To me, it seems like you're trolling.
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How so? All he does was saying, "Oh there will be phone with better processor & display than the nexus s but i don't need it." You might not want a quad core processor in your pc, but is it better than a dual core? Yes. So what's the point of this?
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How so? All he does was saying, "Oh there will be phone with better processor & display than the nexus s but i don't need it." You might not want a quad core processor in your pc, but is it better than a dual core? Yes. So what's the point of this?
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Of course it's better, but more important is how MUCH better it is. Where do you need it for?
Oh and by the way, I do not own a Nexus S
I agree that this is a great phone and will be for quite a while. The things that I will be looking for in my next phone, which will likely replace my G2 before this, is a better camera, 5mp is good, but not great, especially once theyre on a computer. I know some people will say well if you want a better camera buy one, and I do have an SLR for real picture taking, but the technology is there to put better cameras in smartphones and Im glad Sony is trying to incorperate that.
Aside from the camera im not sure what else could really make me think 'this phone isnt good enough'. Of course I'll still probably buy 3 more phones this year because I really enjoy trying the latest and greatest in phones but for the average person I think this phone is more than good enough to last the 2 years of their contract.
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Of course it's better, but more important is how MUCH better it is. Where do you need it for?
Oh and by the way, I do not own a Nexus S
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You said yourself that technology is moving at a very fast pace. Even though android right now doesn't take advantage of the these dual core processor, how would you know that google wouldn't optimize future version of android to fully take advantage of the dual core. This would render device with these newer processor, a faster and smoother experience. With that in mind, saying that dual core processor is not needed isn't exactly a future-proof way of thinking.
ps. I apologize for saying that you're trying to justify the purchase if you didn't own one in the first place.
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You said yourself that technology is moving at a very fast pace. Even though android right now doesn't take advantage of the these dual core processor, how would you know that google wouldn't optimize future version of android to fully take advantage of the dual core. This would render device with these newer processor, a faster and smoother experience. With that in mind, saying that dual core processor is not needed isn't exactly a future-proof way of thinking.
ps. I apologize for saying that you're trying to justify the purchase if you didn't own one in the first place.
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You are right, of course they will optimize it for dual-core. But the question is, do you need it? If your device is already super fast, will there really be a big difference with dual-core? What is faster than super fast? So, untill they bring out a feature that really needs it (except for games), I don't need dual-core. Because the Nexus S with 1Ghz is already amazingly fast, with virtually no lag.
One thing I see people overlook is that the nexus s is indeed a Google phone with updates straight from Google,all of Google's mobile division is behind this phone aswell as the nexus one. I dont know about you but I'd rather have the support of Google making updates for my phone first and having their Dev teams useing the phone I currently have (nexus s) than having a shiny new LG 2x with the oh so great tegra 2 which is the fist iteratation of dual core tegras and with that a little unproven and android isn't really optimized for it yet so it really has no ground apart from Smoother gaming,video play back and web browsing. In the end I would love a dual core nexus but you have in your hand I phone that can do almost everything your p.c can is that something to complain about?
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You are right, of course they will optimize it for dual-core. But the question is, do you need it? If your device is already super fast, will there really be a big difference with dual-core? What is faster than super fast? So, untill they bring out a feature that really needs it (except for games), I don't need dual-core. Because the Nexus S with 1Ghz is already amazingly fast, with virtually no lag.
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If the nexus s will always be on 2.3 then yes the hummingbird processor will be plentiful. Did you see the new honeycomb ui that google demoed at CES? That fluid looking ui seems to use more processing power than even the live wallpaper on stock 2.3 launcher. When the nexus s gets honeycomb, will if still be super fast? What about ice cream? If let's say android 4.0 implements more eye candy, im sure it won't be as smooth anymore compare to these new dual core.
This is assuming you won't change phones when these newer version of android comes out.
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If the nexus s will always be on 2.3 then yes the hummingbird processor will be plentiful. Did you see the new honeycomb ui that google demoed at CES? That fluid looking ui seems to use more processing power than even the live wallpaper on stock 2.3 launcher. When the nexus s gets honeycomb, will if still be super fast? What about ice cream? If let's say android 4.0 implements more eye candy, im sure it won't be as smooth anymore compare to these new dual core.
This is assuming you won't change phones when these newer version of android comes out.
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You think upgrades only make things more processor intensive? Check out Windows 7 compared to Vista plz.
Jeez guys.
First off. Tegra2 is barely better than the Hummingbird. These aren't super phones. They're just great. Wait for the dual core snap dragon and dual core orion. Then Hummingbird and Tegra2 will both be "weak".
Yes, upgrade from vista to 7 isn't more processor intensive, but we're not talking windows are we? I'm sure all of us here can agree that from the video that google posted, honeycomb will use more cpu than gingerbread.
Btw, we're not arguing, it's called constructive argument =)
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If the nexus s will always be on 2.3 then yes the hummingbird processor will be plentiful. Did you see the new honeycomb ui that google demoed at CES? That fluid looking ui seems to use more processing power than even the live wallpaper on stock 2.3 launcher. When the nexus s gets honeycomb, will if still be super fast? What about ice cream? If let's say android 4.0 implements more eye candy, im sure it won't be as smooth anymore compare to these new dual core.
This is assuming you won't change phones when these newer version of android comes out.
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Um that was the tablet version of Honeycomb I am pretty sure the phone version will be different. And I am pretty sure that google is testing all of their future updates on the Nexus S until a new Nexus device is released so all future updates will be optimized for the S...
yea dual-core phones are coming out but so what. I'm good with my nexus S which will do jussst fine. I can guarantee you the next nexus device will pack a dual core processor. Until then, i'll keep nexus S and purchase the G-slate.
Having used the NS for the last 3 weeks, it clearly is a step up from the N1 in terms of performance. The screen is absolutely great and the extra real estate is nice to text on, but my biggest beef with the phone is the build quality.
Clearly, Samsung and Google could have done more. I would have been happy using the NS for the next year if Samsung would have used the material of their new phone, the Infuse, on the NS.
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Um that was the tablet version of Honeycomb I am pretty sure the phone version will be different. And I am pretty sure that google is testing all of their future updates on the Nexus S until a new Nexus device is released so all future updates will be optimized for the S...
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Exactly. And untill then, the Nexus S will be just as good as those dual-core phones, at least for me. Of course, when a new Nexus is released, it will be a lot faster. I think even after a new Nexus is released, the old ones will still get updates for so long they actually 'update' something, and don't make the device slower.
Not only you should buy a Nexus because you get updates fast, or 'normal', as I prefer to say, but also because it just works well. The Nexus S has the same processor as most Android phones, but yet it manages to be a lot faster? It's not magic. It just works well.
Until an android pure phone comes out I don't even look at any of them. I would rather buy a WP7 then a UI and bloatware.
I've had the SGSII for about a week now after moving from a Nexus One running CM7, and wow I am impressed.
I know that in the grand scheme of things it's an incremental upgrade - the main reason I left it a while to move - however the SGII has in my view made a significant leap.
The main thing is that the UI is now as smooth and as refined as the iOS devices. I don't know what Samsung did that nobody else in the Android market has managed, but they've finally managed to make things as smooth as the iPhone.
I finally get that delicious feeling of having the UI elements "stick" to my finger as I move them around, rather than chase behind.
While we all know this is a superficial thing and adds little to the actual functionality, I believe this has finally closed the gap in terms of delight in using the device. I hate to use the sickening Apple term, but surely the average user will find just as much "magic" in using the SGSII as any iOS device.
Web browsing is now super smooth (hardware accelerated?) as are the home screens. Going back to my N1 I really feel the difference.
The SGSII is even more buttery smooth than my Asus Transformer running honeycomb.
Hopefully whatever Samsung have done, whether it be related to the chips in the phone or software tweaks, will be copied by all Android devices, and we can put the nagging sense of UI inferiority behind us (and I know the lack of smoothness bugged you no matter how hard you denied it).
Let's hope Android has put stuttering and lagging behind it forever. Well done Samsung.
P.S.
I haven't used the HTC Sensation so I don't know if they too have achieved this, but this is based on my observations of the hardware at my disposal.
About the same as my view of the phone thats why i find it hard to understand the this is a crap phone posts can i have sense on it is their an IOS4 rom for it etc . A if i thought the phone was crap i would have returned it B if i wanted sense i would have bought sense phone .
But yes with Android customers have choice across a broad range of phones and that is why its winning the sales drive .
Looking forward to more Android improvements as this is only really year two of development .
jje
Dont get your point.
I find the IP4 laggy compared to the SGS2 . The i9100 is by far smoother in my opinion
I haven't used or seen a better smartphone. My sgs2 is borderline biblical!
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The main thing is that the UI is now as smooth and as refined as the iOS devices. I don't know what Samsung did that nobody else in the Android market has managed, but they've finally managed to make things as smooth as the iPhone.
I finally get that delicious feeling of having the UI elements "stick" to my finger as I move them around, rather than chase behind.
While we all know this is a superficial thing and adds little to the actual functionality, I believe this has finally closed the gap in terms of delight in using the device. I hate to use the sickening Apple term, but surely the average user will find just as much "magic" in using the SGSII as any iOS device.
Web browsing is now super smooth (hardware accelerated?) as are the home screens. Going back to my N1 I really feel the difference.
The SGSII is even more buttery smooth than my Asus Transformer running honeycomb.
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u could not have said it any better
what u explained is the MAIN reason i bought this phone
there is no " lag " its just wonderful
what would make this phone perfect is a ROM based of AOSP
which im still waiting for team hacksung to finish its version of CM7
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The main thing is that the UI is now as smooth and as refined as the iOS devices. I don't know what Samsung did that nobody else in the Android market has managed, but they've finally managed to make things as smooth as the iPhone.
Web browsing is now super smooth (hardware accelerated?) as are the home screens. Going back to my N1 I really feel the difference.
The SGSII is even more buttery smooth than my Asus Transformer running honeycomb.
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samsung has hardware accelerated many parts of the UI. the web browser for example is hardware accelerated, as well as a few other places.
this is why i blast google. they should have been using hardware acceleration from day 1 to give the same smooth UI experience as the iphone. the SGS2 is not doing anything special, its not the dual core making it so smooth. its simply because samsung took the time to optimize the SGS2 with graphics chip, rather than putting the burden on the CPU 100% of the time.
the nexus one would be just as smooth. look at WP7 devices. they all use the same hardware as the n1, but use hardware acceleration and proper drivers, and are the smoothest devices in the world right now.
Well that was my point - How come it's taken so long, and a few generations of Android devices for this to be done? I honestly didn't think it was possible for an Android 2.3 device to be so smooth, I thought there was something fundamental in the architecture that was going to always mean a little lag.
I'd given up any of this generation of Android phones achieving true smooth motion, and here Samsung have done it without this development even being publicised that much.
I totally agree Android should have been like this - it just blows my mind that it's taken so long, and I can see no excuse for any top tier device from any other manufacturer not to match what Samsung have done.
Also, if it is just a case of tuning the software, why haven't/didn't Samsung do it with the SGS I ?
The "this is a crap phone" posts probably mostly come from people who don't own this. ...I know that might sound a little odd but trust me, even in Android communities there are fan-boys, and some actually go that far...
yup. time to throw my htc legend. i play the pinball game. the ball look like teleporting...
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I went from a Nexus One to an iPhone 4, and then to this amazing device. All I have to say is that its been the best experience yet. I actually had lag on my iPhone 4... And very little to none on the SG2. I agree that most people bashing this phone probably don't even own one. I'll definitely be buying an SGS3. Goodbye HTC and to their ****ty voice/speaker quality and locked bootloaders. And hello Samsung.
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Its hard to understand why people love this device soo much unless you actually ownit. This phone seems to give the feeling that android should have been this fluid from the beginning. There is no device (including the sensation) that operates as smoothly as the sgs2. I love this phone.
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I went from a Nexus One to an iPhone 4, and then to this amazing device. All I have to say is that its been the best experience yet. I actually had lag on my iPhone 4... And very little to none on the SG2. I agree that most people bashing this phone probably don't even own one. I'll definitely be buying an SGS3. Goodbye HTC and to their ****ty voice/speaker quality and locked bootloaders. And hello Samsung.
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GS3! Wow...the rumours, are TOO GOOD. Anything Apple pull out of the bag, even next year would simple pale in comparison to the GS3.
Posts like these makes me anxious to get mine. Still waiting on UPS!
If Samsung did some hardware/driver acceleration magic, I wonder if CM7 and the other AOSP ROM project will be able to take advantage of this as well. I don't want the stock ROM to be the only super smooth and slick ROM available.
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Well that was my point - How come it's taken so long, and a few generations of Android devices for this to be done? I honestly didn't think it was possible for an Android 2.3 device to be so smooth, I thought there was something fundamental in the architecture that was going to always mean a little lag.
I'd given up any of this generation of Android phones achieving true smooth motion, and here Samsung have done it without this development even being publicised that much.
I totally agree Android should have been like this - it just blows my mind that it's taken so long, and I can see no excuse for any top tier device from any other manufacturer not to match what Samsung have done.
Also, if it is just a case of tuning the software, why haven't/didn't Samsung do it with the SGS I ?
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it hasnt taken too long. the original galaxy s also had hardware acceleration in the browser for example. only the international version, but it was lightening fast and smooth as butter. it only is because samsung took the initiative and did a custom job. google certainly hasnt implemented it yet, and in ice cream sandwich they claim it will come.
i'm right there with you, manufacturers should have been pushing for a UI experience that matches apple's.
since the op is sharing thoughts about the device, i'll share mine too. i FINALLY received it in the mail today. opened the box, the device is bigger than it looks in the online review (coming from a nexus s 4g). the thin factor is impressive, but not as impressive as i was expecting. the smoothness is there as expected, but the "S" boot image is freakishly laggy--no big deal.
camera-really good
screen-what can i say? super amoled plus looks great,
hardware finish/quality-pretty good...but i prefer the smooth back over the textured back--no big deal
touchwiz 4.0-hmm, this is tough, i need to play with it some more. samsung obviously put a lot to this UI, but so far it doesnt seem as refined as other skins...for example, the default lock screen is kind of laggy, and is a pain sometimes to fully move the lockscreen so that it unlocks. numerical battery percentage would be nice without having to go into settings...other than these minor gripes, i love the touchwiz widgets.
obviously samsung has really tried to outdo itself and competitors, and the sgs II is perhaps the best android phone out there. but as of right now, it doesn't really give me that "wow" factor despite all its features. but i've only had it for one day and haven't gotten to test out the dual core, dlna, and other features.
Hey guys, I know its kind of a stupid thing to start a thread on so just spear with me
In 2009 I had an iPhone 3GS. Its was the latest iPhone in 2009 and was super fast. No lags on opening apps, closing apps, multitasking, scrolling screen and stuff like that. It was 99% LAGFREE. Games worked wonderful. I'm a big fan of hacking, so I jailbroke the iPhone and it still remained smooth and fast. For those who don't know, iPhone 3GS has a 779mhz CPU (apple clocked it down to 600mhz to prevent battery drains and other instabilities) and only 256mb ram. Now I have an international version of galaxy S that is clocked to 1.3 GHZ that has a 512 MB of RAM and believe me its slower than the iPhone. I just want to know what is wrong with our phones? Does apple use some magic superpowers on their devices? Opening apps lags, closing apps lags the home screen scrolling for some time, there are frequent crashing due to low RAM, there's lags in browser :S the music player lacks things as filtering of files, it has a worse reception than the iPhone 3gs. GPS is not goood. Even typing is sometimes laggy... the new jellybean made it a lil more like an iPhone due to its 60hz refresh rate and triple buffering but it still lags. Can you guys give me your opinions on this and stuff? Again I'm not trying to complain, I'm just wondering how could this be possible.
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I agree.Ios has more stability then android in os side... But who cares? Personally if i wpuld buy an iphone,i would definetly get bored after 1 month BECAUSE the same ui on everu ios version! Also i am not talking about screen sizes...
Actually i dunno what to say if someonr give me an iphone free i would use it
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Apple can optimize their software for the iPhone because the iPhone is the only phone with iOS whereas the Android OS is on hundreds of devices with very diverse hardware. But today's modern android phones IMO takes a big dookie on iOS (Galaxy S3, HTC One X, etc.) & Android is only improving
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Apple can optimize their software for the iPhone because the iPhone is the only phone with iOS whereas the Android OS is on hundreds of devices with very diverse hardware. But today's modern android phones IMO takes a big dookie on iOS (Galaxy S3, HTC One X, etc.) & Android is only improving
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I know they're kinda improving with the new JELLYBEAN with butter and stuff, but now most of them don't support old devices like the most powerful galaxy S xD
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Well, as far as I know the UI of Android is rendered by the CPU and not by the GPU (who actually should render the UI).
You can compare that with a Windows PC where you want to play Battlefield 3 just with your CPU and not with the GPU.
Chew DZ said it right: Apple has only one Phone to improve. They know the exact Hardware and can improve the software upon this device. But Android is mainly developed by Google. And Google doen't know what Hardware the phones have Android runs on. They only know, that they must have a CPU, so in the beginning they told Android to render its UI on the CPU and not on the GPU.
Currently Google changes this. Project Butter renders the UI on the GPU, if there is one in the phone. That's why Jelly Bean is so much smoother than any other previous Android version.
Jelly Bean can also be installed on our Galaxy S, but Samsung wants us to buy newer phones, like the Galaxy S3. Therfore they won't invest time and money to develop a Jelly Bean version for the Galaxy S. But as soon as CM10 is stable, you can enjoy the pure Jelly Bean power on your Galaxy S.
Knobibrot said:
Well, as far as I know the UI of Android is rendered by the CPU and not by the GPU (who actually should render the UI).
You can compare that with a Windows PC where you want to play Battlefield 3 just with your CPU and not with the GPU.
Chew DZ said it right: Apple has only one Phone to improve. They know the exact Hardware and can improve the software upon this device. But Android is mainly developed by Google. And Google doen't know what Hardware the phones have Android runs on. They only know, that they must have a CPU, so in the beginning they told Android to render its UI on the CPU and not on the GPU.
Currently Google changes this. Project Butter renders the UI on the GPU, if there is one in the phone. That's why Jelly Bean is so much smoother than any other previous Android version.
Jelly Bean can also be installed on our Galaxy S, but Samsung wants us to buy newer phones, like the Galaxy S3. Therfore they won't invest time and money to develop a Jelly Bean version for the Galaxy S. But as soon as CM10 is stable, you can enjoy the pure Jelly Bean power on your Galaxy S.
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Oooooh so then its all about rendering? I didn't think the UI was rendered by the CPU... Plus this still doesn't answer the RAM starving of the apps... I think some edition of app priorities and such could improve things...
EDIT: as you said apple has only one phone, why can't the Android device manufacturers like Samsung or Sony Ericson improve their hardware according to the android software like apple does? Google could communicate with the device companies about new releases and changes to the OS so that the manufacturers would consider it and tweak their devices hardware
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Helloworld294 said:
Hey guys, I know its kind of a stupid thing to start a thread on so just spear with me
In 2009 I had an iPhone 3GS. Its was the latest iPhone in 2009 and was super fast. No lags on opening apps, closing apps, multitasking, scrolling screen and stuff like that. It was 99% LAGFREE. Games worked wonderful. I'm a big fan of hacking, so I jailbroke the iPhone and it still remained smooth and fast. For those who don't know, iPhone 3GS has a 779mhz CPU (apple clocked it down to 600mhz to prevent battery drains and other instabilities) and only 256mb ram. Now I have an international version of galaxy S that is clocked to 1.3 GHZ that has a 512 MB of RAM and believe me its slower than the iPhone. I just want to know what is wrong with our phones? Does apple use some magic superpowers on their devices? Opening apps lags, closing apps lags the home screen scrolling for some time, there are frequent crashing due to low RAM, there's lags in browser :S the music player lacks things as filtering of files, it has a worse reception than the iPhone 3gs. GPS is not goood. Even typing is sometimes laggy... the new jellybean made it a lil more like an iPhone due to its 60hz refresh rate and triple buffering but it still lags. Can you guys give me your opinions on this and stuff? Again I'm not trying to complain, I'm just wondering how could this be possible.
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Yeah Sure, iPhone is more stable than Android.
But If we will not root our android then android is stable & good compared to iPhone.
Galaxy S is cheaper than iPhone that's it's slow.
Major Problems starts when we try to root our Android & Install custom roms. But I like android because I like Custom Roms & More Setting in my phone.
In Short, price of iPhone 4s and Galaxy S3 is same. Galaxy S3 has double GHz processor than iPhone 4S.
So I don't think that Galaxy S3 is slower than iPhone 4S.
I have iphone 4 and galaxy s i9000. I cant see multitasking on iphone as you mentioned. When I start to download something from browser and open another application sametime, downloading stops or IOS pauses one app to function another. Obviously one at a time is faster,
Anyway, my galaxy s with overclocked upto 1200 Mhz is faster then iphone 4.
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I have had every Iphone version, and i have had a galaxy ace and currently have an S. The S stock is about the same performance as my iphone 4, but Apple doesn't enable true multitasking by default. Ios backgrounds apps, and Android does as well. The ace I had was almost the same performance as my 3gs, which is my back up phone at the moment. My S stock was about the same as my 4, but overclocked it makes my 4 look slow and laggy. If the iphone is jailbroke, which all mine are, you can enable multitasking. Its a personal preference, my wife uses the ios devices, I use the android stuff. I like being able to download something through the browser and open up another app, which is where multitasking shines. My wife just does one thing at a time.
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But If we will not root our android then android is stable & good compared to iPhone.
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Major Problems starts when we try to root our Android & Install custom roms. But I like android because I like Custom Roms & More Setting in my phone.
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If that is your experience, you're using the wrong CustomRoms. Samsung Roms are crap.. sorry for this, but they blow up the rom with unnecessary stuff. (have you ever used Layer??)
Darkyy was the first to release a Samsung based CustomRom that runs smooth and fast.
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Oooooh so then its all about rendering? I didn't think the UI was rendered by the CPU... Plus this still doesn't answer the RAM starving of the apps... I think some edition of app priorities and such could improve things...
EDIT: as you said apple has only one phone, why can't the Android device manufacturers like Samsung or Sony Ericson improve their hardware according to the android software like apple does? Google could communicate with the device companies about new releases and changes to the OS so that the manufacturers would consider it and tweak their devices hardware
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The lags you experience are mostly UI lags. And yes of cause this does not answer the RAM thing. But as mentioned before: Android has true multitasking. Therefore the apps use more RAM and more CPU power = RAM starving + lags.
Samsung does work together with Google to ensure good performance BUT only on Nexus devices. The Nexus S e.g. is almost the same as the Galaxy S, it just does not have TouchWiz. Look up the Nexus S forum to see, that this devices does not have any lag-issues. Same with Galaxy Nexus. They don't work with Google on any other devices because 1. that costs a lot of money and 2. Samsung doesn't want to be the company that always needs Google to improve there devices.
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If that is your experience, you're using the wrong CustomRoms. Samsung Roms are crap.. sorry for this, but they blow up the rom with unnecessary stuff. (have you ever used Layer??)
Darkyy was the first to release a Samsung based CustomRom that runs smooth and fast.
The lags you experience are mostly UI lags. And yes of cause this does not answer the RAM thing. But as mentioned before: Android has true multitasking. Therefore the apps use more RAM and more CPU power = RAM starving + lags.
Samsung does work together with Google to ensure good performance BUT only on Nexus devices. The Nexus S e.g. is almost the same as the Galaxy S, it just does not have TouchWiz. Look up the Nexus S forum to see, that this devices does not have any lag-issues. Same with Galaxy Nexus. They don't work with Google on any other devices because 1. that costs a lot of money and 2. Samsung doesn't want to be the company that always needs Google to improve there devices.
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Sammmy ROMs became fast in the newer versions...it's already enough to delete the bloatware, and you can already say that they're as fast as ICS/JB.
Samsung .... any time , better hardware , Better philosophy , better prices , open minded …
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