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Best bitrate for videos on Hermes?

I am stating to convert some of the movies and to be played on my hermes on the go, but eventually I found out that the movies converted thru pocketdivxencoder eventually dropping out frames.
I want to know the best setting for converting video for Hermes...
Is it better to convert to WMV at a particular bitrate than converting to DiVX?
THanks a lot.

If you're gonna use the ATI Imageeon Decoder, video bitrates can go up to 1.2MBps, but you will sure get a lot of artifacts. if you intend to use Raw Frame Buffer, video bitrate can go up to 700KBps (audio 128KBps), but also remember that Pocket PCs can play higher bitrates without dropping frames when the video is wider, e.g. playing a 16:9 movie clip is somehow easier than playing a clip with 4:3 aspect ratio.
BTW If you want to stream the audio to your BT Headset while watching a clip, a video bitrate of 410KBps (audio 128KBps) is good, but you will have to use the ATI Decoder.
Cheers!

Rockman27 said:
I am stating to convert some of the movies and to be played on my hermes on the go, but eventually I found out that the movies converted thru pocketdivxencoder eventually dropping out frames.
I want to know the best setting for converting video for Hermes...
Is it better to convert to WMV at a particular bitrate than converting to DiVX?
THanks a lot.
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You need to use TCPMP player and download the ATI imageon fix cab (search for it), a few adjustments and your pocketdivx converted films will play perfectly.

i use sompy media encoder, its free and has a stting for pda screen size and sound that is realy good, just load the file and away you go.

Take a look HERE ive used plenty of videos encoded this way and works a treat.
In coreplayer (aka TCPMP) i use Directdraw as ATimageON produces artifacts until they allow a non-rgb filter to be used.

mrvanx said:
Take a look HERE ive used plenty of videos encoded this way and works a treat.
In coreplayer (aka TCPMP) i use Directdraw as ATimageON produces artifacts until they allow a non-rgb filter to be used.
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Thanks for your guideline and I have got some satisfactory conversions.. but when I switch to DirectDraw in TCPMP, it gives me black screen no matter which type of video files I am playing.
When I switch back to ATI Imageon, sometimes it will work but sometimes I will get weird screens (the whole screen got messed up and "jumping around"). The only perfectly working selection for me is RAW or GDI.
Am I doing something wrong in the setting with the directdraw and atiimageon? Thanks again.

With bitrate size there is a law of diminishing returns. After a certain bitrate you will not notice the difference on the Hermes screen.
After years of encoding/transcoding. I have settled on these paramters as the other variable is trying to fit as much onto my MicroSD as possible.
Video DivX @ 350 kbps, high quality, 2 pass.
Audio AAC 64 kbps 44 KHz (SSR profile)
Using MP4 as the container.
The quality is pin sharp. Using higher bitrates for me yield no benefit when viewed on the phone. The filesize comes out at approx 170 meg for 1 hour.
When I get back I will upload some samples of stuff I've done and I don't mind watching on the phone, typically 4:3 like The Wire and of course the Simpsons.

Wam7 said:
With bitrate size there is a law of diminishing returns. After a certain bitrate you will not notice the difference on the Hermes screen.
After years of encoding/transcoding. I have settled on these paramters as the other variable is trying to fit as much onto my MicroSD as possible.
Video DivX @ 350 kbps, high quality, 2 pass.
Audio AAC 64 kbps 44 KHz (SSR profile)
Using MP4 as the container.
The quality is pin sharp. Using higher bitrates for me yield no benefit when viewed on the phone. The filesize comes out at approx 170 meg for 1 hour.
When I get back I will upload some samples of stuff I've done and I don't mind watching on the phone, typically 4:3 like The Wire and of course the Simpsons.
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What program do you use to do this encoding? I would like to try out your settings on a few movies i have been waiting to encode myself.

Globalrebel said:
What program do you use to do this encoding? I would like to try out your settings on a few movies i have been waiting to encode myself.
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For a long while I was doing it manually with Virtual Dub Mod and demuxing audio etc but this can be arduous when doing a lot of stuff.
Nowadays I tend to use WinMenc .61 with the Mencoder binaries. It's not the best GUI in the world, in fact it's pretty plain and could do with updating but it gives the control I need, batch encoding, and is very fast.
I wiill link them all here when I eventually get home.
You could try PocketDivX encoder (and Lathe) which use Mencoder as well but were half the speed for me when it comes to the 2nd pass when I tested them. IIRC they don't give as much control either.

Alas no time to give links to binaries just yet but Google might help if you're in a rush. Here is a quick sample of Prison Break with the above settings.
http://www.wam77.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Prison.Break.S02E18.Clip.350kbps.mp4

Found a bit of time
Download Winmenc http://yawoogle.googlepages.com/winmenc.0.61.zip
Download MPlayer http://oss.netfarm.it/mplayer/builds/mplayer-rtm-svn-23169.7z
Download Mencoder http://oss.netfarm.it/mplayer/builds/mencoder-rtm-svn-23169.7z
Download PthreadGC2 ftp://sourceware.org/pub/pthreads-win32/dll-latest/lib/pthreadGC2.dll
Place all in the same folder. Run Winmenc.
If you want to try my options download this http://www.wam77.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Mp4_PocketPC_DivX350_AAC_320.240.ini
and then click on load profile and point it to the file. (There are others in the default profile dir that you can play with)
This will also do Xvid, DivX, X264, mpeg2 (in .avi container) with 2 pass options. If you want ultra sharpness you can try higher bitrates but I can not tell for most things. If you also want to keep the file size fairly small I have found 350 kbps to be a good trade off. Run a few tests at different bitrates and decide for yourself.

Awesome guide Wam.
Using your setttings I have been playing with the x264 codec. It's alot more demanding on the cpu. however it does produce very noticeable far superior results over divx. It also takes a good 2x more time to encode, but nvm that the end result which counts.
Getting x264 playing on hermes appears to be a slight headache for some.
TCPMP used to support it, now doesnt.
So you have 2 options CorePlayer or old beta version of TCPMP 72RC1.exe
IIRC I remeber reading the coreplayer is newer more effeciant by approx 10% than the tpcmp x264 beta decoder. I also had a bit of a headache getting the aac audio codec working.. maybe cos I have a wm2003 device. I clicked on and installed far to many differnt things to know how I fixed it .
Also apprently the ATI ImageOn boosts performance nicely for 264 files. but causes problems with divx xvid etc.. which are commonly used.
1) get new rom ak3.. 2)install atifix + If you set zoom to 100% - artifacts dissapear.
Nice thread here. - http://70.84.52.18/corecodec.com/forum/index.php?topic=3723.msg22042#msg22042 - srry if cross forum linking isnt allowed..
I have only a dell axim x5 - maybe 5 years old now, but it has a 400mhz intel xscale cpu which I guess is comparible to what the hermes samsung cpu can do. So my testing regarding performance maybe a bit off. I can confirm though x264 codec is the way forward. All the new devices use it for good reason.. ipods. playstaion portables, blueray. hd tv's.
A little more clarifcation needs to be done. to provide us all with the ultimate setup. one thing for sure. wams settings are great. and produce fantastic results. the software he reccomends - winmec is real nice and easy to use..
I also spent a fair bit of time with MEgui front end and, it has so many more options.. which could be a bonus but was just too confusing for me. Also winmec and Megui may have shifted the timing of frames off a tiny bit.. I'll need to check on a longer file to see if there was any syncing issues.
I'll be back soon with a definative guide.

Oh yeah x264 is definitely the way to go and the improvement are easily noticed for the same bitrate.
I did a few x264 but this was back before WM6 (AKU 3.3) and the ATI fixes and I could play smooth BUT without audio which wasn't much use.
I might give them a try again when I have more time to play but for the time being DivX is giving me good results... and is quick!
Oh I am using TCPMP 0.81. I would use Coreplayer 1.04 but until they fix the negative audio sync bug I am forced to use TCPMP.

Audio and video out of sync.

Does anyone have issues with video playback? It seems that every file I throw at the hero seems to have audio and video synchronization issues. Specifically, video lags behind audio, you hear something and see it later. I've tried HTC's player and Meridian. The files play on my pc just fine and aren't huge files.
Are there some recommended bitrates for Hero? I'm using an iPod/phone converter (videora) to get my files encoded which has options for bitrate. Bit disappointed that the Hero can't keep up with iPhone again though.
EDIT: Good News, scroll down for my conversion settings.

Hi, there are multiple threads on this subject on this forum. Just open the Hero main forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=508
... and do a search for "video" from the "Search this forum" -tool to the right.
In short, the Hero has massive problems playing mp4-video without a glitch. The best I've acchieved is smooth video that slows down a bit and then becomes faster to catch up with the timeline every 10 seconds.
This can be done by using an exact set of conversion options with one of many many encoders. Some say it works perfectly for them, but I suspect their eyes are just not as finely tuned as mine
Main thing seems to be the target resolution can be no higher than 480x360.

Try encoding/downloading psp video files its not 100% but very close

jayjay said:
Hi, there are multiple threads on this subject on this forum. Just open the Hero main forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=508
... and do a search for "video" from the "Search this forum" -tool to the right.
In short, the Hero has massive problems playing mp4-video without a glitch. The best I've acchieved is smooth video that slows down a bit and then becomes faster to catch up with the timeline every 10 seconds.
This can be done by using an exact set of conversion options with one of many many encoders. Some say it works perfectly for them, but I suspect their eyes are just not as finely tuned as mine
Main thing seems to be the target resolution can be no higher than 480x360.
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Cheers dude, I did look but I can't find anything about synchronisation, my videos aren't dropping frames (or at least that doesn't bother me), it's just that the audio is constantly out of sync with video. Makes everything look like it's dubbed, when people talk their lips don't match the sound. You see an explosion (for example)and hear it later.
I'm going to do some experiments with bitrates and converters today.
How exciting!

4 hours later, 3 different converters and no good news.
Has anyone got any settings and a converter to recommend?

Dude try using psp settings. I was having the same issues with avi's & mp4's but now I'm using psp settings its almost perfect

thenewshaft said:
Dude try using psp settings. I was having the same issues with avi's & mp4's but now I'm using psp settings its almost perfect
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Could you post what the settings are? I tried a load of things earlier and it was all rubbish.
Resolution, bit rate for video and audio as well as file type would be grrrrreat!

Well, I -THINK- I've cracked it.
There are some dropped frames still but image quality is good and the sound is in sync. Here are the settings when using Handbrake http://handbrake.fr/?article=download to do the conversion:
If I don't give a value for it, then you don't need to change it.
Format: MP4
Crop: Automatic
Width/Height: 480 / Blank
Anamorphic: None
VideoCodec: Mpeg-4 (FFmpeg)
Framerate 23.976
2 pass encoding: Check
Avg Bitrate: 750
Audio Source: Automatic
Audio Codec: AAC
Mixdown: Stereo
Samplerate: 48k
Bitrate: 128
That's the best result I got after HOURS of experimenting but I'd be interested if anyone has anything better.

I see you already went ahead and did your own tests... Here are some relevant threads:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=544498
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=550529&
I myself, haven't been able to get Handbrake working with any settings. Audio always stutters like crazy, so the video is basically unwatchable.
What does work for me is Videora, which has a bunch of free converters bundled for a specific platform, so you can get a Videora iPod -edition and a Videora HTC-edition. There's a general edition as well.
The GUI is horrific and loads weird web pages into a huge box inside the program (presumably to allow advertising whilst using the program), but I did manage to get the smoothest playback out of it of all the converters I tried. I think I even went with default settings for HTC G1-video.
The video plays ok, the sound and video are in sync, but the video slows down and catches up every 10 seconds or so.
Hope you get it working! I am pretty hopeful that the coming update will alleviate the problem...

Thanks, will have a look at those threads. The Videora converter didn't work well at all for me, I'm wondering if there are certain files that retain characteristics that the phone doesn't like. IE that you may get a better result with converting from divx to mp4 than, for example high quality mp4 to something the hero can handle.

"Perfect" HandBrake settings for TP2?

So is there such a thing as "perfect" handbrake settings for TP2?
I've been playing with it a couple of hours, and these are the settings I'm down to using:
Output Settings, Format: MP4 file
Picture Settings tab: 640 x 400 (what are you guys using?)
Video Tab: Video Codec MPEG-4 (FFmpeg), framerate 29.97, 2 pass encoding, average bitrate (kbps) 600
Audio&Subtitles tab: Automatic Source, AAC Audio Codec, Mixdown Dolby Pro Logic II, samplerate Khz Auto, Bitrate (kps) 160
I haven't really touched anything else, but with these settings I seem to be getting the slightest lag where sometimes I can perceive the frame rate, for lack of a better term. It's as if the smoothness is about 90% - 95% there, but not quite. Anything I can do about that? I tried making the width x height numbers smaller, but it didn't seem to work.
What are you guys using for handbrake settings? Are you touching any other settings than the ones I mention above?

I've tried all sorts of setting with HandBrake (including yours, just now) and there always appears to be a bit of a stutter. I've had much more luck using SUPER encoder (encoding to AVI).

I just reencoded a divx file to MP4 using x.264 compression and it plays smooth as silk using the HTC album application. That was on the latest 6.5.1 (504) Valkyrie (sp?) ROM as of a couple of days ago. I am probably going to flash to the new 28002 Energy ROM tonight so we'll see if it still works there.

Avatar28 said:
I just reencoded a divx file to MP4 using x.264 compression and it plays smooth as silk using the HTC album application. That was on the latest 6.5.1 (504) Valkyrie (sp?) ROM as of a couple of days ago. I am probably going to flash to the new 28002 Energy ROM tonight so we'll see if it still works there.
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What were you other settings on handbrake? I guess you selected h.264(x264) under the video tab. What did you use for avg. bitrate on the video tab and what did you use for width/height or anything else under the "picture settings" tab?
I'm not familiar with the ROM stuff you're referring to.
Thanks for the info. I'm still playing with these handbrake settings!

ualdriver said:
What were you other settings on handbrake? I guess you selected h.264(x264) under the video tab. What did you use for avg. bitrate on the video tab and what did you use for width/height or anything else under the "picture settings" tab?
I'm not familiar with the ROM stuff you're referring to.
Thanks for the info. I'm still playing with these handbrake settings!
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Sorry, the site freaked out and I couldn't finish my post. Anyways, I actually used the free version of Any Video Converter and not handbrake (I got them both about the same time. That theoretically shouldn't make that much of a difference though when using the same settings. It just seems a bit easier to me to use.
I went with the original size. It might not make a difference but I have this nice, high-res screen, might as well take advantage of it, right? Original size in this case was 592x320. Video bitrate was set at 768k and the audio was 128k AAC. Windows shows them slightly lower in the file properties for whatever reason, though, 749k and 125k respectively.
My final file size was around 554 MB compared to right around 1000 MB for the original xvid. This was for an hour and a half movie.
I think you could approximate the settings by using the xbox 360 profile and changing the target bitrate for video and audio to something closer to the values I used.
Edit: This is the link to the ROM I was using. You will note that it appears to have updated D3D drivers so that might make a difference as I have heard of people having stuttering issues with WM 6.5 using the HTC album player in Manila. I point that out because the HTC player is apparently one of the only ones capable of taking advantage of the GPU accleration in the phone to handle the video decoding. Other players are more likely to stutter due to doing CPU decoding.

Presets
I haven't used Handbrake in about a month. I used 0.93 for Windows. When I converted something for my phones, I would use the Iphone/Ipod Touch preset. It's converts to a h.264 MP4 file. I would dial back the resolution for my Tilt. With my Tilt2 I raise the preset resolution to 800 instead of 640. I play it with the latest Coreplayer or TCPMP GF5500 Edition. The videos are amazing. I have been trying the GUI posted earlier because it's much faster.

bennyj71 said:
I haven't used Handbrake in about a month. I used 0.93 for Windows. When I converted something for my phones, I would use the Iphone/Ipod Touch preset. It's converts to a h.264 MP4 file. I would dial back the resolution for my Tilt. With my Tilt2 I raise the preset resolution to 800 instead of 640. I play it with the latest Coreplayer or TCPMP GF5500 Edition. The videos are amazing. I have been trying the GUI posted earlier because it's much faster.
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Thanks!
Avatar28 said:
I went with the original size. It might not make a difference but I have this nice, high-res screen, might as well take advantage of it, right? Original size in this case was 592x320. Video bitrate was set at 768k and the audio was 128k AAC. Windows shows them slightly lower in the file properties for whatever reason, though, 749k and 125k respectively.
My final file size was around 554 MB compared to right around 1000 MB for the original xvid. This was for an hour and a half movie.
I think you could approximate the settings by using the xbox 360 profile and changing the target bitrate for video and audio to something closer to the values I used.
Edit: This is the link to the ROM I was using. You will note that it appears to have updated D3D drivers so that might make a difference as I have heard of people having stuttering issues with WM 6.5 using the HTC album player in Manila. I point that out because the HTC player is apparently one of the only ones capable of taking advantage of the GPU accleration in the phone to handle the video decoding. Other players are more likely to stutter due to doing CPU decoding.
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Ok thanks. I'll have to try the x264 setting. I thought I tried that once with handbrake when I was playing with a 10 minute DVD trailer, but for some reason my TP2 wouldn't play it. It might have been just a bad file conversion that particular time, but I assumed at the time it was just an unusable conversion type. I have been using the MPEG4 (FFmpeg) file and that seemed to work every time. I haven't a clue what the difference is.
I think I'm still using WM 6.1. I'm relatively new to this stuff and I'm not too sure about what a ROM is. I know it means "read only memory," but how it applies to my phone or how I can modify it and what the consequences are of changing it- I don't understand.

Ive used Super to convert a DVD rip of Iron Man to my TP2 @ 720x 480 resolution @ 1200kbps in MP4 h246 and it looks sexy! you have to make sure all other apps are closed and surprisingly enough, Windows Media Player handles this file with ease(Windows media player actually works now!It only took 10 years!lol) and framerate is movie speed @29.970. Even more surprising is the fact that this is playing on a virgin device( running the stock ATT ROM till tomorrow....) and the current ROM is incredibly bloated.

"Avidemux" is an awesome program to easily convert your movies. I use "Handbrake" to RIP but I find "Avidemux" much better for movie/video conversions. it has presets but will also let you setup formats, crops, etc. anyway you want. It has enormous capability and still easy to use. I use it to convert to 640 x (?) (xvid) mp4 @ 700 kbps with 128 kbps AAC audio for use with the Album player and it is sharp with no stuttering. I am going to use it to convert to x264 mp4 @ 1000 kbps and see how WMP handles it as a test but I generally despise WMP.

Handbrake
I've never posted here before but after trying Core Player and its stuttering after I installed Mighty Rom i found that using the standard IPod Touch and Iphone settings showed video clear as all hell with no stutter (changed resolution - increased a little).
Try it?

NH3MAN said:
"Avidemux" is an awesome program to easily convert your movies. I use "Handbrake" to RIP but I find "Avidemux" much better for movie/video conversions. it has presets but will also let you setup formats, crops, etc. anyway you want. It has enormous capability and still easy to use. I use it to convert to 640 x (?) (xvid) mp4 @ 700 kbps with 128 kbps AAC audio for use with the Album player and it is sharp with no stuttering. I am going to use it to convert to x264 mp4 @ 1000 kbps and see how WMP handles it as a test but I generally despise WMP.
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I've never posted here before but after trying Core Player and its stuttering after I installed Mighty Rom i found that using the standard IPod Touch and Iphone settings showed video clear as all hell with no stutter (changed resolution - increased a little).
Try it?
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Thanks guys, I'll try them.

omarmir said:
I've never posted here before but after trying Core Player and its stuttering after I installed Mighty Rom i found that using the standard IPod Touch and Iphone settings showed video clear as all hell with no stutter (changed resolution - increased a little).
Try it?
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Damn! Finally. I posted about this 15 days ago. You should update to the new Handbrake. It's much faster.

The Best Settings and the best CONVERTER For TP2
In 2 weeks I've tried it all. 8 converters to be exact. The best one out there worth anyones time is a converter call AVS Video Converter 6.3(not free but reall worth it trust me). It has it all! It's pretty quick compare to the rest, but most importantly pumps out excellent video quality with smooth framerate. There's a few that's faster but most of them has bad famerates, bad quality, or both. Yes bad framerate playing on my super computer. The best settings that work for my TP2 is the following:M4vipod at 415 bitrate, 24fps, 640X384. Plays smooth looks great can't ask for more!
Converters I Tried: Handbrake 9.3 too slow
Handbrake 9.4 got sound no video?
Iwisoft choppy framerate looks very promising waiting for a newer version
Ultra mobile 3gp not enough settings file comes out to big and to slow
Any Video Converter when it works it very good, freezes to often during conversions plus to slow.
And a few others I don't remember.
Thanks hope I can help.

how come I only got the sound with no video from the H264 files I converted with Handbrake on max OS X....

I have been trying to get my new Sprint Touch Pro 2 to run movies smoothly using Windows Media Player Mobile. This is a very difficult task... I think I have just succeeded. At first, I was using Handbrake to encode my DVD using the 640 resolution setting. This worked great for playing on my home computer, but after using Mobile Device Center to Sync my TP2 and playing the MP4 in Windows Media Player Mobile, I only got video to play and NO AUDIO.
This was very frustrating for a long time. I finally solved the problem. I increased the video resolution to 720 in Handbrake (leaving the audio settings as is), and bingo....the audio and video both play using Windows Media Player Mobile. I used the 23fps, 16:9 setting and 768 bitrate and it plays pretty well. Not sure why audio is not playing using the 640 resolution...any ideas???
-Chris

So I must be doing something wrong. Im using a failry new pc (Acer Iconia Tablet PC) and I started to convert a file in Handbrake last night around 12, 8am this morning its still converting.. what is the deal here?
I am trying to convert a .m4v file to .mp4 and the issue is that the file has subtitled I need to have burned in. I typically use videora but it didn't recognize the file.
I did the settings here (iphone settings) and i actually queued up 2 versions one with ac3 audio and one with aac, not sure which one i was supposed to choose.
Everything else was standard (subtitles burned in).
the movie is a 2.5 hour movie why is it taking so long.
I wish I was better with using vlc's conversion settings.

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I don't know the perfect settings, but these at least get you going with good results. They require modifying a profile which is x264 level 2.1 before I found this out I had some hit and miss results with 0.9.3 occasional green screen with sound in the Album player and consistently no video in the higher versions.
I'm using 0.9.5 now. The first thing you want to do is uncheck "always use iPod friendly file extension (.m4v) for mp4" in Tools>Options>General and maybe enable Query Editor tab in Tools>Options>Advanced/Other.
Then you want to pick the level 2.1 Apple preset: iPhone & iPod Touch
Change the Audio Mixdown to Stereo, Samplerate to 48
Change the Video to Avg Bitrate 1000 for lower res, 650 for near or full 800x480
Preset>Save Preset
Minor changes to the new preset can now be saved by right clicking on it.
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So I must be doing something wrong. Im using a failry new pc (Acer Iconia Tablet PC) and I started to convert a file in Handbrake last night around 12, 8am this morning its still converting.. what is the deal here?
I am trying to convert a .m4v file to .mp4 and the issue is that the file has subtitled I need to have burned in. I typically use videora but it didn't recognize the file.
I did the settings here (iphone settings) and i actually queued up 2 versions one with ac3 audio and one with aac, not sure which one i was supposed to choose.
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Encoders need raw power your tablet PC has a specialised processor. I don't think you can burn in subtitles yet in Handbrake unless the source is DVD and they're VobSub (unsure about BluRay source) and the Audio must be set to AAC.
I think you will need to use Avidemux which has support for burning in many subtitle formats. I didn't have much luck with it up to now as it appears the Windows stable version r7200 is quite broken, partially rendered VobSubs, and crashing during encoding. So far so good using the latest beta r7317 hosted by Gruntster on the iPod preset.

Shrinking video file size for Leo playback

Hi all,
I have a good collection of music videos on my PC all of good quality (mainly mkv's at aroung 70 - 100mb) I want to have these playback on my Leo and have succeeded in doing so but can't find a way to keep the quality on the smaller screen but have a smaller file size. I tried converting to 3gp and the file size was good but quality was bad. However, MP4 was good quality but bad file size.
Can anyone help? I am using RER Video Converter.
Thanks

Size is relative; what do you consider bad size?
I do some video editing as a hobby, and I converted the video clips I made to mp4 as well using Sony Vegas Pro 9. Quite frankly, I'm amazed at the quality/performance. Video is smooth, sharp, doesn't lag at all.
These are the settings I used, maybe some of this will be useful to you:
Frame size:
NTSC Square Pixel (640x480)
Profile: Baseline
FRame rate: 25 (PAL)
(Source allowed to change framerate)
Pixel aspect ratio: 1.0
Reference frames: 2
VBR Max 1,500,000bps
VBR Min 1,350,000bps
Audio Sample rate: 44,100Hz
Bit rate: 128kbps
Video rendering quality: Best
I tried in higher settings, and the player would play the video just fine, but the thumbnails in Albums wouldn't appear (at 29.9fps/CBR 2Mb and Main profile).
Grtz
Lukas

thanks for the reply, so you are suggestingusing vegas pro to convert my mkv's to mp4's using those settings? i was hoping for around 10mb max...?

shaunym said:
thanks for the reply, so you are suggestingusing vegas pro to convert my mkv's to mp4's using those settings? i was hoping for around 10mb max...?
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If you use Windows Movie Maker (which is a bit pap really), it allows you to specify a target file size. I've done some very good conversions with this app, and I've found windows mobile to be the only real reason to ever use it. There's much better video conversion/editing apps out there, but it works a treat in this instance.
Just try messing with the output type and give a few different one's a go. I found that the PocketPC setting did a pretty good job. It wasn't 800x480 resolution, but it still looked good when viewing. Just don't expect bluray quality.
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Actually, if you want to convert MKV files, I couldn't recommend mkv2vob more. I use it for the PS3 and it's fast as anything, but there's no compression, so file size could be an issue for you.

Video Playback

So has anyone been able to get a re-encoded video to playback on their atrix? I've been trying every setting I know of, but mvideoplayer says that my phone doesn't support any of them. I've been mostly trying variations of weightb=0:bframes=0:cabac=0:weightp=0:8x8dct=0, which should be baseline H264, but my phone refuses to play it. All my files are being reencoded at 720p, which should be supported, in an mkv container, which according to motorola, should be supported.

I'm going to do some tests and get back to you on this.

If you encode in FFmpeg the videos work fine. Even encoding 1080p videos in FFmpeg works perfectly at 100% frame rate and sound in the videoplayer.
Download VitalPlayer and you can play even stuff the Atrix doesn't support. The framerate and video looks great but the sound will stutter occasionally because it's all software-decoding. Video even worked up to 1080p with software decoding...so that's a pretty big testament to the power of Tegra 2.

My ultimate goal is to be able to play MKVs with high profile H264 and an embedded ASS subtitle file so that I can just drag and drop without having to deal with reencoding all my shows.

edgeicator said:
My ultimate goal is to be able to play MKVs with high profile H264 and an embedded ASS subtitle file so that I can just drag and drop without having to deal with reencoding all my shows.
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Unfortunately, I think you're going to have to wait until the next generation of phones for that. iirc, Tegra 3 supports that, but I (and Wikipedia) might be wrong on that.
Right now, this is what I'm using (using MediaCoder because I'm a slacker and CUDA is fast and good enough for my needs):
x264/Baseline
Bitrate: Average/2048 Kbps
Level: Auto
B-Frames: 4
Dynamic GOP: on
CABAC: on
Deblocking: on
Resize: 800x480
I'd rather not do the resize (my source material in this case is 1280x720), but I haven't gotten video at 720p to keep up with the audio, even after dropping the bitrate to 1024 Kbps, B-frames to 2, and turning off dynamic GOP.
Anybody else have better luck?

Sogarth said:
Unfortunately, I think you're going to have to wait until the next generation of phones for that. iirc, Tegra 3 supports that, but I (and Wikipedia) might be wrong on that.
Right now, this is what I'm using (using MediaCoder because I'm a slacker and CUDA is fast and good enough for my needs):
x264/Baseline
Bitrate: Average/2048 Kbps
Level: Auto
B-Frames: 4
Dynamic GOP: on
CABAC: on
Deblocking: on
Resize: 800x480
I'd rather not do the resize (my source material in this case is 1280x720), but I haven't gotten video at 720p to keep up with the audio, even after dropping the bitrate to 1024 Kbps, B-frames to 2, and turning off dynamic GOP.
Anybody else have better luck?
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... The problem being that MediaCoder doesn't respect the "average bitrate" option very much, and it'll often generate files that have twice the "average bitrate" specified.
I've now started poking at Badaboom, which is able to generate 960x540 files (at which MediaCoder couldn't generate working files, for whatever reason). And, for that matter, it can generate 1280x720 files that the Atrix can play just fine (hey, closed source is good for something after all!). The settings I'm using at the moment:
Video Encoder:
Profile: Baseline
Key Frame Mode: Auto
Level: Auto
Rate Control Select: VBR
Bitrate is 2460kbit
Picture Settings:
Display Res: 1280x720

Sogarth said:
... The problem being that MediaCoder doesn't respect the "average bitrate" option very much, and it'll often generate files that have twice the "average bitrate" specified.
I've now started poking at Badaboom, which is able to generate 960x540 files (at which MediaCoder couldn't generate working files, for whatever reason). And, for that matter, it can generate 1280x720 files that the Atrix can play just fine (hey, closed source is good for something after all!). The settings I'm using at the moment:
Video Encoder:
Profile: Baseline
Key Frame Mode: Auto
Level: Auto
Rate Control Select: VBR
Bitrate is 2460kbit
Picture Settings:
Display Res: 1280x720
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Only problems with Badaboom is that it only works with NVidia cards (fine with me...I own the program and use it frequently) and NVidia updates the program about once a year. The support for Badaboom is horrendous.

hotleadsingerguy said:
Only problems with Badaboom is that it only works with NVidia cards (fine with me...I own the program and use it frequently) and NVidia updates the program about once a year. The support for Badaboom is horrendous.
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True, there are the restrictions on it, but I was really just pointing out that it's possible to get h.264 videos working on it.
And minor quibble: NVIDIA's not responsible for updates to it. Elemental is.

Video convert atrix 720p
Okay I got this to work on my Mac now given This is a mac... I took a 720p wmv hd movie and opened in quicktime x with flip 4 mac plugin installed. and went to save as... 720p movie... once done it did not play and did not show up with hdmi out I then renamed the file to .mp4 and it played fine on the device with video player and thru hdmi. I am currently converting a 1080p .mov the same way but this time from a 1080p to a 1080p then I will rename .mp4 and see will post results soon.

1080p worked exactly the same!

Got my atrix yesterday, and I'm having some media issues too. Gonna spend the entirety of tomorrow tweaking Megui profiles to make this thing play back content.
So far i have found using rockplayer lite:
720x480 anamorphic (848x480) w/ x264 (q19/unrestricted) and dolby plII aac @ q0.5 plays flawlessly
1024x576 (same settings as above) not so much.
Gonna play with the profiles and such to find what works well...

Sogarth said:
... The problem being that MediaCoder doesn't respect the "average bitrate" option very much, and it'll often generate files that have twice the "average bitrate" specified.
I've now started poking at Badaboom, which is able to generate 960x540 files (at which MediaCoder couldn't generate working files, for whatever reason). And, for that matter, it can generate 1280x720 files that the Atrix can play just fine (hey, closed source is good for something after all!). The settings I'm using at the moment:
Video Encoder:
Profile: Baseline
Key Frame Mode: Auto
Level: Auto
Rate Control Select: VBR
Bitrate is 2460kbit
Picture Settings:
Display Res: 1280x720
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Is this on badaboom?
I chose a mere 1000kbps, with 960x540 (apple TV profile)
and i get an error playing (rock player plays it fine tho)

that was the settings recomended by bababoom site
but i think they screwed up cause apple tv uses main profile
i think tegra 2 is baseline (what i understood from xoom)
and yup just tried with galaxy S preset (baseline), change size to 1280x720
bitrate 3500kbps, sweet sweet 720p on my atrix

1920x1080p
10mbps also worked
tegra is a beast
Test file:
http://hotfile.com/dl/108279465/e51a41a/goal2.mp4.html

Ah. That was my issue. Changed the encoder profile to Baseline and [email protected] works great. Too bad the baseline profile almost doubles the filesizes from the high profile...