Sorry for the loing post, bare with me
I have installed FRF50 when it came out, after a few day when doing an update of a few app in the market I had one stuck at installation, even after reboot when I tried to update it again it did the same, after a few cleanup of my download folder and retry all the app that where encrypted in the app2sd folder (not sure of the exact folder name) where not properly decrypted by the OS, at the time I taught nothing of it and reinstalled everything (froyo image + reconfig) to do a fresh start with froyo, I also reformatted my SD card to be on the safe side... and had no issue since then...
Then came FRF72, did the exact same problem yesterday and I was able to restart the SD (if I can say so) after a few reboot.
Today same issue is back, but no go so far, all app that belong to flash are there with a generic icon, they appear on the list of app in the SD section but without their icon, it really look like if the OS is not able to decrypt them (If I understand correctly that was the stupid way google decided to implement some kind of DRM on the flash memory)
I am seriously thinkiing about going back to CM and the old way of EXT4 app2sd, it was working ok...
I've had this occur after upgrading to FRF72, it's probably because the OS didn't manage to detect the apps correctly. To solve it, I just plugged in my USB cable, mounted the SD card and then unmounting it after it showed up correctly as a removable drive on my laptop. After waiting a while for the OS to scan the card (check logcat to verify that apps are indeed being scanned one by one), my apps were back.
Another test...
Rebooted the phone without the SD, then shutdown and reboot with the SD, no change but...
If I connect the USB cable, the computer see the new drive right away (it use to take a few second after enabling the USB sharing) but is is not usable and I see no notification of the USB, that's a really weird bug...
if anybody have some idea, I know from my first encounter with this issue that changing the SD card will not fix this either...
@ Zanglang
Thanks for the sugestion, but the PC doesn't see the card, my terminal was on the flash mem and I can not install new app from market
trying a nandroid from the Recovery now... BAD DROID...
I had a problem on Frf50 with app icons turning generic and disappearing from 3d app rolodex. They were still accessible from the generic icons.
Now on Frf72 and issue seems to have subsided. Everything is where it should be. This time around i only added apps to sd they were allowable to move, i didnt force anything. When i first talked about it a while back i heard it was a bug as well as learned that certain things shouldnt go on the SD altogether. Now that i got that straightened out im good and feel like i learned something. lol
crap, no recovery
SBERG117 said:
I had a problem on Frf50 with app icons turning generic and disappearing from 3d app rolodex. They were still accessible from the generic icons.
Now on Frf72 and issue seems to have subsided. Everything is where it should be. This time around i only added apps to sd they were allowable to move, i didnt force anything. When i first talked about it a while back i heard it was a bug as well as learned that certain things shouldnt go on the SD altogether. Now that i got that straightened out im good and feel like i learned something. lol
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Yeah, the funny part is that I did not move rom manager and I did not move anything like widget etc, I am frustrated by Google stupid way of handling memory extension tho... as for not forcing any app i am fine with the idea however too many app are not updated and it piss me off to go thru all app to move them by hand...
What's the point of encrypting the app moved to SD anyway... I can't believe how stupid this is, I hope Cyanogen will find a way to disable this altogether...
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Yeah, the funny part is that I did not move rom manager and I did not move anything like widget etc, I am frustrated by Google stupid way of handling memory extension tho... as for not forcing any app i am fine with the idea however too many app are not updated and it piss me off to go thru all app to move them by hand...
What's the point of encrypting the app moved to SD anyway... I can't believe how stupid this is, I hope Cyanogen will find a way to disable this altogether...
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Well now some of the icons have disappeared again. LOL.
These were all allowable by FRF72. Only one that hasnt changed yet is titanium backup. I tried, thought it was gonna hold.
I managed to do a recovery, I swapped the SD with another one and moved everything from the protected dir of the old card to the new one and all the icon came back.
When checking in the app manager, I noticed a few file marked as flash, I deleted a few and it seem ok but the one in the SD section are still not all there, and some display calculating as in the properties field forever...
So far
Froyo = 7/10 (3 total crash so far all related to the new memory management) since I used the PM setInstallLocation 2 I am not putting 0...
Cyanogen = 9/10
I am really curious to see what he will do with flash memory management!
Now running FRF83 with the first SD untouched, I recovered my nandroid then directly flashed to FRF83 from Paul, all app are there... I am also reverting to setIntallLocation 0 to see if there's improvement...
Having similar issues right now on the latest update with setinstalllocation 2. I guess I have to f around with it to get this to work again. What a pain.
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adb setinstalllocation 2 doesn't seem to do much but make it seem like many apps are actually being installed on the sd card when they are in fact not.
I decided to investigate when I noticed my phone storage at 32mb of internal storage free. Installed flash player. I went to manage applications, installed on sd tab had all 7.7 megs on the sd card. I went to uninstall, the application freed up internal phone storage, all 7.7 megs on uninstall.
I don't believe this method actually does anything useful unless its an app that already allows store to sd.. which is few and far between. Furthermore you don't know what's really an app that supports that now and what isn't because most of the apps now show up in the "on sd" tab of managed applications.
I could be wrong, plan on testing some more soon.. busy for the rest of the day. Will report back
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adb setinstalllocation 2 doesn't seem to do much but make it seem like many apps are actually being installed on the sd card when they are in fact not.
I decided to investigate when I noticed my phone storage at 32mb of internal storage free. Installed flash player. I went to manage applications, installed on sd tab had all 7.7 megs on the sd card. I went to uninstall, the application freed up internal phone storage, all 7.7 megs on uninstall.
I don't believe this method actually does anything useful unless its an app that already allows store to sd.. which is few and far between. Furthermore you don't know what's really an app that supports that now and what isn't because most of the apps now show up in the "on sd" tab of managed applications.
I could be wrong, plan on testing some more soon.. busy for the rest of the day. Will report back
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The files are encrypted and placed in .android_secure in the root of the SD card (when I crashed that dir had 350MB size...)
so they are there, but I agree that phone memory still didn't get freed as much as it should as well, I suspect it's the way the OS had to place thumbstone so that they appear in the app manager
Also I noticed that they seem to have some kind of naming convention {com.dooblou.WiFiFileExplorerPRO-2} vs {cn.mobgo.filego-1} where some have -2 and other are -1
either way I reformatted and started again from scratch (well partially, titanium backup is very usefull) this time without forcing usage of the SD card I already feel the pain of having to go thru each and every app to toggle the move to sd and this is when it simply doesn't support the feature yet...
I really think that this app 2 sd implementation sucks big time, oh did I mention that the way google implemented it's memory expansion sucks... Also the way they implemented encryption mean that you could end up with a backup from a broken phone not working on a new phone which is quite something, almost sound like an Apple Feature...
They could have to the very least added a tab in the app manager so that we can easily manage the said so option... and made an external app that could decrypt the app moved to flash for backup purpose
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I really think that this app 2 sd implementation sucks big time, oh did I mention that the way google implemented it's memory expansion sucks... Also the way they implemented encryption mean that you could end up with a backup from a broken phone not working on a new phone which is quite something, almost sound like an Apple Feature...
They could have to the very least added a tab in the app manager so that we can easily manage the said so option... and made an external app that could decrypt the app moved to flash for backup purpose
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Yeah it's a pretty terrible implementation. I think eventually it'll be some sort of transparent thing that the user will never see if the app developer enables it but for the time being it blows big time.
Maybe this is why Froyo hasn't yet released.... Wider audience and feedback on A2SD.
I suspect it'll either get fixed or yanked for 2.2.
I had to reinstall all the apps I moved to the SD card.
Had the same problem with FRF76..all of a sudden I couldn't install new apps from the market...soooo, what I did was:
- downgrade to CM5.0.8
- save all of my apps to apps2sd
- deleted app secure folder
- upgrade to rodrigurez r19 rom with older style apps2sd.
- now, I have all my apps n new ones my sd card n yeap..even widgets are working..
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Maybe this is why Froyo hasn't yet released.... Wider audience and feedback on A2SD.
I suspect it'll either get fixed or yanked for 2.2.
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I hope so, A guy has made a great program to move the app to SD, however on my phone I can move like 10% of all I have installed, I just had to delete co-pilot to be able to install swype
What's weird is that their protected folder system even compress the app, but as far as I am concerned I do not need more space on my SD since almost nothing can be moved there anyway... and even if, I could update my SD as needed...
Why do i lose my widgets when i move an app to my sd card? I read on googles android section, that apps that are moved to sd, that you have to reboot to get your widget back. I rebooted, and still no widgets. Any ideas?
Install the app that contains the widget on your phone. Problem Solved.
Just make it a habit of installing all things that you absolutely need on your phone (things with widgets), and everything else (like games, other stuff) on your sd.
why are the widgets deleted when installed on SD? Whats the point of installing on sd when you dont get all the features of the app? Seems as though google needs to work on this feature quite a bit
The apps also aren't entirely installed to the SD card. Look at them in settings and they'll have a little data on the phone, and usually most of it is on the SD card. I'm sure Google will improve it, but as others said, things with widgets you should leave on your phone, everything else, on the SD card. The only app I have that I use the widget for is Pandora, so all my really large apps sit on my SD card.
I found when I moved a bunch of apps to the SD card I lost use of the widget associated with the app, not sure if there is a way to fix it. To get the widgets back you need to move the offending app back to the phone and then reboot. Hope this helps someone.
Uh... yeah. If you use an app called move2sdenabler they have a warning specifically telling you that you can't move widgets to the sd card.
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anyone has apps disappearing?
i.e. you're 100% certain they're installed, yet at some point they literally disappear - they're not in the drawer and if you have a shortcut on your home it goes blank (which is how you notice).
I have plenty of space left so its not that. Some are paid, some are free (all are from market).
it happened once or twice on froyo, upgraded to gingerbread OTA today and already happened once.
Yes I've had the same thing, had to restore with Titanium backup, and was frustrated, thought it was just me, but guess I'm wrong.
Never happened on froyo but has done at least 3 times in the last month on gingerbread.
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I noticed that apps that I moved to the SD card would appear "disappeared" after I'd connected and removed a USB cable sometimes. The problem was the SD card didn't always remount so the apps looked like they were gone. No icons or anything anywhere but nothing on the status bar to suggest the SD card was still unmounted. However, if I went into Settings - SD Card & Phone Storage, and tapped the "Mount SD Card" option under SD Card, the SD Card would be mounted and all the apps on there would show back up. Just an idea...
if you moved the apps to your SD card, you lose the desktop icon. with froyo and the apps to SD app, it wouldnt disappear until you rebooted. but with gingerbread and the native apps to SD app, icons will disappear rather quickly.
Had this happen one time on 4183 with Galaxy on Fire 2. Haven't seen the problem since.
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Hi all
I am running CM7.1 with LauncherPro.
Thanks to my kids and google's recent $.10 app deals I now have about 200 apps/games on my phone and I ran out of space on my internal so I was using Titanium Backup to move apps to SD in batches of 25-30 apps. I had no problems until the last batch I did. Now the phone freezes up within 5 minutes of booting up and I have to keep popping the battery to reboot.
I figure one of the apps in that last batch has issues being moved to SD. So I want to try just moving them back. Problem is, it doesn't stay usable long enough to get back into TB and move them. Also, I'm not sure which app it is I have to move back. I tried popping out the SD card and putting it in my PC to look at .android_secure and I can see the most recent batch of apps simply by sorting by modified date. The batch I ran was for 29 apps, but this shows only 23 apps. I tried deleting those 23 asec files, but the phone is still freezing after a few minutes up.
I really, really want to avoid going back to a previous nandroid backup because I only make them once a month and the last one was 11/24 and I have made sooo many tweaks and changes since then.
Please help. Is there a log file for TB batches maybe that can help me figure out which is the problem app? Or does it sound like it might be something else?
I'm going through the same problem myself; hoping that pushing this thread back to the top will get a reply from someone.
I didn't realize until reading this that all the moving apps to the sd card which I've done lately may have caused all my recent freezing. I've also lost the homescreen icons on several of my apps.
Is there a rule about what kind of apps shouldn't be put on an sd card?
Do you have the list of apps you moved in the last batch?
Can you post it here?
I know you must not move widget on sdcard. It's a start
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No widgets, no services. If any of those are moved to SD card - they won't function in the best case, and they'll make all kinds of phone weirdness in the worst case.
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This happens to me too on my galaxy s2 stock rom using my 32gb sdcard which has no issues in itself.. and i never moved apps like widgets and live wallpapers, only games with big size like angry birds etc. i dont know what can be causing this, coz without moving those apps i cant install new ones, n if i move em i cant use my phone at all what should i do ?
Yeah, not all widgets work with the app on the SD card.
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ThreeFourSeven said:
Yeah, not all widgets work with the app on the SD card.
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widgets live wallpapers and launchers aren't meant to be moved in the first place. but still i'm having issues and i dont understand why. and now that i've moved just a few apps to see what happens, this time it doesn't reboot but the media scanning starts late after the phone boots up.. and untill it actually starts scanning you cannot make a call or use the internet.. any ideas anyone! ?