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So talking to my buddy about all the "junk" loaded on the Samsung, he kept raving about how his old Nexus One was just the way I would like it. I would like to have a "plain" version of Android 2.1 on my phone. I have a coworker friend that's a Linux guru that's willing to help. Here's my questions.
Can I take take the Samsung released source for the hardware drivers and compile it with a stock Android 2.1 platform? I'm not asking for step by step. More of a 10,000 foot how to. Is that possible?
Can you leave the CSC and Modem info the same and just install a PDA ROM with Odin? Or would you be overwriting all of that info on the phone?
Thanks and if this has been answered before, please fill free to say "search is your friend" and give me the links...
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So talking to my buddy about all the "junk" loaded on the Samsung, he kept raving about how his old Nexus One was just the way I would like it. I would like to have a "plain" version of Android 2.1 on my phone. I have a coworker friend that's a Linux guru that's willing to help. Here's my questions.
Can I take take the Samsung released source for the hardware drivers and compile it with a stock Android 2.1 platform? I'm not asking for step by step. More of a 10,000 foot how to. Is that possible?
Can you leave the CSC and Modem info the same and just install a PDA ROM with Odin? Or would you be overwriting all of that info on the phone?
Thanks and if this has been answered before, please fill free to say "search is your friend" and give me the links...
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I unfortunately haven't the answer but I'd like to add that I am curious about this too.
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I unfortunately haven't the answer but I'd like to add that I am curious about this too.
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I'll second this and ask that if you do figure it out, please share with the community.
I think that vanilla Roms are a little further away in the future. First step in the process right now would be for someone to be able to compile a kernel from the Samsung released source code that works. Unfortunately the current Captivate kernel source code, when compiled, causes issues (voices garbled, lag when waking up the phone) that are not present in the stock precompiled kernel. These bugs are apparently not present in the other versions of the source code. Once these initial bugs are ironed out, we can truly start down the path of having custom fixes, and the devs can start to focus on bigger challenges, like making the vanilla Eclair or Froyo Roms to start working with our kernel. Good thing about this phone is that there are going to be so many versions of it, that parallel development is happening on multiple platforms. This will likely produce independent breakthroughs that could be theoretically ported between the platforms, but unfortunately it also slows down the development of each platform due to the quirks that have to be overcome. I hope that, in the future, we get to a place where all the source codes are merged into master repository that has all the necessary improvements and the ability to overcome individual platform quirks, so that the development can proceed more rapidly.
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So talking to my buddy about all the "junk" loaded on the Samsung, he kept raving about how his old Nexus One was just the way I would like it. I would like to have a "plain" version of Android 2.1 on my phone. I have a coworker friend that's a Linux guru that's willing to help. Here's my questions.
Can I take take the Samsung released source for the hardware drivers and compile it with a stock Android 2.1 platform? I'm not asking for step by step. More of a 10,000 foot how to. Is that possible?
Can you leave the CSC and Modem info the same and just install a PDA ROM with Odin? Or would you be overwriting all of that info on the phone?
Thanks and if this has been answered before, please fill free to say "search is your friend" and give me the links...
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Check out this wiki from cyanogen:
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
On the bottom right you will see an advanced section that explains how to build from source code. (aosp)
Good luck!!! It's definitely not for me, not with kids and a full time job!
Good info. I haven't seen a post on people testing out the source code testing and their experience. Can you IM or point me to that?
Thanks!
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I think that vanilla Roms are a little further away in the future. First step in the process right now would be for someone to be able to compile a kernel from the Samsung released source code that works. Unfortunately the current Captivate kernel source code, when compiled, causes issues (voices garbled, lag when waking up the phone) that are not present in the stock precompiled kernel. These bugs are apparently not present in the other versions of the source code. Once these initial bugs are ironed out, we can truly start down the path of having custom fixes, and the devs can start to focus on bigger challenges, like making the vanilla Eclair or Froyo Roms to start working with our kernel. Good thing about this phone is that there are going to be so many versions of it, that parallel development is happening on multiple platforms. This will likely produce independent breakthroughs that could be theoretically ported between the platforms, but unfortunately it also slows down the development of each platform due to the quirks that have to be overcome. I hope that, in the future, we get to a place where all the source codes are merged into master repository that has all the necessary improvements and the ability to overcome individual platform quirks, so that the development can proceed more rapidly.
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Also for clarification, when you bought a Nexus One straight from Google for AT&T, was it considered "Vanilla"? Is the build on that phone just like someone downloaded the source for 2.1 and compiled it with the hardware drivers and that's it? I'm wondering what all comes on a "basic" Andriod ROM straight from the source.
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Also for clarification, when you bought a Nexus One straight from Google for AT&T, was it considered "Vanilla"? Is the build on that phone just like someone downloaded the source for 2.1 and compiled it with the hardware drivers and that's it? I'm wondering what all comes on a "basic" Andriod ROM straight from the source.
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Nexus One is as Vanilla as it comes. Just straight up Android! I don't think there is anything added to stock 2.1 or 2.2 on the Nexus.
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Good info. I haven't seen a post on people testing out the source code testing and their experience. Can you IM or point me to that?
Thanks!
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Most of the kernel compiling struggles are documented here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=740747
Mimocan himself has started some work on it here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=747040
There are also people having success mixing Vibrant ROM on the Captivate with some GPS crash issues:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=746466
I am trying to follow those threads, and since I am not a developer, I can't personally contribute to the process. But it is interesting to me anyway.
I've seen these before. I thought they were just edited versions of ROM's sucked off a existing phone. Are these compiled from scratch?
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Most of the kernel compiling struggles are documented here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=740747
Mimocan himself has started some work on it here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=747040
There are also people having success mixing Vibrant ROM on the Captivate with some GPS crash issues:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=746466
I am trying to follow those threads, and since I am not a deveoper, I can't personally contribute to the process. But it is interesting to me anyway.
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I've seen these before. I thought they were just edited versions of ROM's sucked off a existing phone. Are these compiled from scratch?
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The first two are attempts to recompile the kernel to put in the ext3/ext4 mimocan fix. The third one I believe is a script for boot logo animation hack to achieve the same thing.
I forgot to mention one more thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=739823
So we've got the source code with drivers and know which ones to use from the T959 for fixing the voice issue. We've got the stock kernel. What's left to creat a plain jane captivate?
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So we've got the source code with drivers and know which ones to use from the T959 for fixing the voice issue. We've got the stock kernel. What's left to creat a plain jane captivate?
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I'm guessing not too much. There are somethings that would need to be edited such as handling the capacitive buttons. The i9000 roms handle buttons differently regardless of the kernel so, its apparently an OS level config.
I've been wanting to work on this but I've been neck deep in source code from work.
Here is a good how to: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=704561
Thanks for the link. The US codes out there so we don't need i9000 port
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Thanks for the link. The US codes out there so we don't need i9000 port
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My point was that given the I9000 rom needs source level changes in order to work as expected(haptic feedback on certain buttons, etc) then running an AOSP build may require some source level changes as well. It may not be as simple as building and flashing.
Kernel source for GT-i9000B is now available on opensource.samsung.com.
Search for i9000 and it will display the file "GT-I9000B_Latin_OpenSource_Froyo.zip".
That file incorporates only the files which differ from i9000.
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Kernel source for GT-i9000B is now available on opensource.samsung.com.
Search for i9000 and it will display the file "GT-I9000B_Latin_OpenSource_Froyo.zip".
That file incorporates only the files which differ from i9000.
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Thanks neldar !
I'll check that out, as you do
PS : lame on them publishing an archive containing just the changes. they really need to apply the same method they learn Working with the kernel with Google.
Also, i guess we will never get the source for their Eclair kernel..
It is a BIG NEWS for i9000b users, becouse, until today we haven´t any custom ROM. With this, it willl change soon, thanks neldar, and thanks supercurio for cheking it,
so, you can get the whole package for the i9000/i9000t, and this, and get a complete source for the i9000b's kernel ?
(i ask this because of supercurios comment about the way its being published, and how its lame)
wow finally
Great news, thank you.
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Also, i guess we will never get the source for their Eclair kernel..
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i asked samsung about it some weeks ago and they toldme:
that they made a mistake not posting it but developers were working with froyo and would release the sources for mid december
so, i think you are right.
note: i builded 2 kernels with this code, if anyone is interested, i have it runing on my mobile right now.
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i asked samsung about it some weeks ago and they toldme:
that they made a mistake not posting it but developers were working with froyo and would release the sources for mid december
so, i think you are right.
note: i builded 2 kernels with this code, if anyone is interested, i have it runing on my mobile right now.
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can you post details of the compilation process?
thanks
obalado said:
can you post details of the compilation process?
thanks
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README.TXT:
Code:
How to build:
< Platform >
The Platform is the same as that of the European version.
Get GT-I9000 open source.
: GT-I9000_OpenSource_Froyo_update_JPM.zip
Unzip it, then you will see the file GT-I9000_Platform.tar.gz which includes the Android source code.
< Kernel >
1. Get GT-I9000 open source code:
- GT-I9000_OpenSource_Froyo_update_JPM.zip
Unzip it, then you will see the file GT-I9000_Kernel.tar.gz which includes the kernel source code.
2. Overwrite GT-I9000B Kernel open source code from the Latin American version to Europea kernel open source code.
3. move into the Kernel/ directory
4. Execute 'make aries_latinb_defconfig'.
5. Execute 'make' or 'make -j<n>' where '<n>' is the number of multiple jobs to be invoked simultaneously.
6. If the kernel is built successfully, you will find following files from the top directory:
arch/arm/boot/zImage
net/netfilter/xt_TCPMSS.ko
drivers/onedram_svn/modemctl/modemctl.ko
drivers/onedram_svn/onedram/onedram.ko
drivers/onedram_svn/svnet/svnet.ko
drivers/bluetooth/bthid/bthid.ko
drivers/net/wireless/bcm4329/dhd.ko
drivers/scsi/scsi_wait_scan.ko
drivers/samsung/fm_si4709/Si4709_driver.ko
drivers/samsung/vibetonz/vibrator.ko
I9000B i sold out at all stores here in Brazil.
I think that there are so much people getting happy enogh to donate for custom roms, possibly now!
and i'm one of them.
well, i did a custom kernel
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well, i did a custom kernel
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so why aren't we testing it yet?
because almost no one cares?
i find amazing things in xda but to get a post replied or some help....
here it is: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=878721
be careful, A2DP has problems (no bluetooth audio)
Any chance we can get a 2.2.1 ROM and Voodoo now? Please guys, help us out.
nothing yet?
I know this is developement section and i should not post like this but i want to tell that whenever i open this developement section i see some new froyo custom roms or rom upgrades with several new features , nothing more. I think it is enough creating roms like v1.0 then v1.1 then v1.2 then v1.3 and so on. Galaxy 5 uses enjoying cyanogen but we can't. All devs are in the race for providing better froyo roms but no on one wants to provide cyanogen, why? because it is not possible. If port of cyanogen is possible in g5 then not in g3. G3 is better phone then G5. Shall we have to satisfied only with froyo roms? All devs are giving their best but it is enough creating new version of froyo in every week, do something new, port CYANOGEN which we really wants.I don't know anything about programming, coding, i can't do anything but all u devs are able to port cyanogen to our device. So please stop doing like v1.0=>v1.1=>v1.2=>v1.3 and do Cyanogen.All devs please combilne at one place and give us CYANOGEN.
Cyanogen can be ported to our phone. I have no idea how can i do this, i may give it a try in summer but i will fail, it is sure. But i will start to learn coding, & kernel compiling (the basics).
Maybe a few of the devs come together, make a team and then work on this
m ready to learn and try
you are right but seriously its not EASY! you should have very good programming skills... and why is CM so good anyway? i would prefer MIUI port. when you say cyanogen mod i assume you mean the latest GB version? what is so great in GB anyway? i mean yeah its newer than froyo but still, i have my own tablet and it runs 2.3 (3.0 is coming ) and i dont think its that great... i like the edge glow and on/off animation but thats it. we CAN have the same features on froyo! and besides IF we would port GB it would take so much time that android 2.5 would be out already and then everybody would say that GB sucks... thats all
It's a lot lot of work to do it.
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It's a lot lot of work to do it.
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Hey, like u modify kernel with coding, cant we modify the ROM from the source files??not for cyanogen but to improve froyo better??
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Hey, like u modify kernel with coding, cant we modify the ROM from the source files??
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In fact, you must start from source files as you must compile all. No ?
In example, for gingerbread, I started compiling it from google source, but I'm stuck with libaudio library.
I took libaudio source code from sgs and I will see if I can compile them and continue.
In addition, you should adapt kernel 2.6.35 for the apollo device, and that's a big work too.
Or if we are lucky, kernel 2.6.32 could work ... I don't know.
I know it is not easy but please devs do something. If porting once started we will defenetily get Cyanogen.
The thing is cyanogen takes alot of time and there's no encouragement so I say whoever devs GB then I will donate £10 to them and I know many others will.
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The best thing wat I feel is stopping any further froyo roms n start porting cm/miui/gb same as v0.1 > v0.2 releasing small mods I think everyone here will help testing them....i dont mind even my phone explodes...i have no idea how u techie guys do all this things all I know is flash watever u guys release n test it so we can make a better g3...
dilzo said:
The thing is cyanogen takes alot of time and there's no encouragement so I say whoever devs GB then I will donate £10 to them and I know many others will.
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I think if you want it in a raisonable delay, then it's more than a full time job for only 1 person ....
deadwood01 said:
The best thing wat I feel is stopping any further froyo roms n start porting cm/miui/gb same as v0.1 > v0.2 releasing small mods I think everyone here will help testing them....i dont mind even my phone explodes...i have no idea how u techie guys do all this things all I know is flash watever u guys release n test it so we can make a better g3...
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Before you must have a basic framework working and only that it's really a big work to do.
can't u guys make the screen on/off animation on froyo, that would be really cool
werker123 said:
can't u guys make the screen on/off animation on froyo, that would be really cool
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well do that as soon as the guy who already did that will release his mod
We shall ask motafoca for help, he does not have a sg3 but has a lot of knowledge and experience porting Gingerbread to sg5!
Once we have some clue or knowledge on how to start with we then can try/experiment ways to accomplish CyanogenMod.
Some proof for Sg5 having 2.3>here
As for people who want to port GB or Cyanogen flores said in this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13132913&postcount=51 that he has already done work on gingerbread so i guess devs like apollo or other people who have experience in the kernel front can have something to work upon....... what i mean is there are a few devs who have mentioned about their incomplete works on Cyanogen/gingerbread, if an experienced developer can combine all their individual work we can have something actually working........
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As for people who want to port GB or Cyanogen flores said in this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13132913&postcount=51 that he has already done work on gingerbread so i guess devs like apollo or other people who have experience in the kernel front can have something to work upon....... what i mean is there are a few devs who have mentioned about their incomplete works on Cyanogen/gingerbread, if an experienced developer can combine all their individual work we can have something actually working........
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ok first of all dont take flores too seriously... he just talks too much and never does anything so i doupt that he has done anything more than looked at GB and said he can port it... i have asked about his project and quess what? nothing.
True is that we have too many custom roms, but changes only name and theme. We can customize everything in froyo rom, but we need to have some1 who can customize kernel! We have one kernel by our hero marcel and thats all! His kernel is used by every rom here. Always same:
New custom rom!
Same features as another rom
Thanks to marcellube for his kernel
We dont need gb, we dont need cm7
But
We need MORE KERNELS!!!
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question for all! how can you ask for cyanogen if you wont help anyone? i have asked for people who know java (i know there are people who knows java) but nobody hasnt commented on my thread we could do it but nobody wants to help... all we need is some guys who knows java programming... so is there ANYONE? if there is contact me on this thread or my other thread in general section....
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True is that we have too many custom roms, but changes only name and theme. We can customize everything in froyo rom, but we need to have some1 who can customize kernel! We have one kernel by our hero marcel and thats all! His kernel is used by every rom here. Always same:
New custom rom!
Same features as another rom
Thanks to marcellube for his kernel
We dont need gb, we dont need cm7
But
We need MORE KERNELS!!!
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i totally agree! more kernels with different features like on sgs forums... we have already lost one great kernel developer gsam101 who developed the first custom and best kernels for us
I am new the to the GT10.1.. Just wondering why there are no custom roms or anything for it yet?!?
Sorry if I missed the thread telling me why!
jm6001 said:
I am new the to the GT10.1.. Just wondering why there are no custom roms or anything for it yet?!?
Sorry if I missed the thread telling me why!
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Questions or Problems are not Development
Please post in the correct forums and use the search
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So few people have the tablet at the moment, suspect that's the hold up. It still hasn't been released to the rest of the US.
How much can you do without the source code?
There's not much you can do without the source. The xoom only got it's first rom a few days ago and it does not have all that many changes. Once we get the kernel source, we should start seeing some custom kernels(for overclocking and stuff) but that's about it.
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There's not much you can do without the source. The xoom only got it's first rom a few days ago and it does not have all that many changes. Once we get the kernel source, we should start seeing some custom kernels(for overclocking and stuff) but that's about it.
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That's what I figured. I'm sure you can change around a few small things, but for the most part didn't expect what I'd consider a true "custom rom."
Will probably have to wait for Ice Cream Sandwich.
I think we can thank google for that as they have chosen not to release the AOSP for honeycomb. And who knows when samsung will release the kernel source. I would have thought they would have released it by now.
xavierdylan said:
I think we can thank google for that as they have chosen not to release the AOSP for honeycomb. And who knows when samsung will release the kernel source. I would have thought they would have released it by now.
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I'm not exactly sure what the law is but they will have to release it eventually.. The linux kernel is under the GPL, which means that any modifications to it are, without question, also under the GPL. Therefore, they have to make their version of the kernel open source at some point. Does anyone know how long they have to do so?
Does any one know if the retail version of the galaxy tab have an unlocked boot loader and if can be rooted? cant seem to find that info ne where. if it has a locked bootloader you can forget abt custom roms till the bootloader can be unlocked
Greetings.
Development for the Moto E has been progressing slowly. The few wonderful developers helping us have released builds with some issues that I'm sure with time will be resolved. They have lives and many other things to do, so I'm only grateful with them for taking the time to code for our "lower end" device.
That being said, and taking in consideration that our devices are low cost, could it be possible for us users to donate a few dollars each to send a device to a dedicated maintainer who is part of a development group?.
I personally love Carbon ROM. I have been using that ROM on different devices and always with the best of results. Simply put, I cannot use any other. It is as stable as CM, has all the right configuration options as AOKP, and coupled with Xposed, you can get your own perfect configuration.
I sent a private message to Carbon Dev, and they told me that as long as they have a physical device on hand, they can add it to the official list of supported devices.
I will donate $20. And I'm sure if every one of you can donate $1, we can easily get a Moto E to Carbon Dev in no time.
Is anyone else willing to help me to reach the proposed goal above detailed?.
Let me know, this could be a great alternative for our device.
I'm in!
I'm in with five bucks. Maybe more, if required.
Thank you for the couple of answers. But I think it's not going to be enough.
A shame since we non-developer users could help ourselves this way.
Anyway, it was worth a try.
I THINK...
Is more importan get oficial support from cyanogenmod... And with this files we can port other roms
xperiafan13 said:
Is more importan get oficial support from cyanogenmod... And with this files we can port other roms
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I don't think there will be official support for dual Sim variant, as cm does not allow any device specific hacks in their builds. The single Sim variant got a chance.
Hetalk said:
I don't think there will be official support for dual Sim variant, as cm does not allow any device specific hacks in their builds. The single Sim variant got a chance.
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If we atleast get a stable cm for single sim variant even then there are many who can add dual Sim support to it like there is for moto g...
How can we request cyanogen team to add device to official list...
Any online request page or email?
luvk1412 said:
If we atleast get a stable cm for single sim variant even then there are many who can add dual Sim support to it like there is for moto g...
How can we request cyanogen team to add device to official list...
Any online request page or email?
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the procedure for making CM support official :
1- All the hardware working on stock rom should work in CM build
2- no FC should be there
3- After making it stable we have to give Full source code ( github repo. ) to CM official devs.
4- they try it for atleast 3 weeks then if they found almost stable CM then they add it to their official support
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naveenultimategamer said:
the procedure for making CM support official :
1- All the hardware working on stock rom should work in CM build
2- no FC should be there
3- After making it stable we have to give Full source code ( github repo. ) to CM official devs.
4- they try it for atleast 3 weeks then if they found almost stable CM then they add it to their official support
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No.. I think you took my question wrong
I was asking that is there any way we can ask cm devs to help us in obtaining stable cm .. (Now I am finding this question as silly )
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No.. I think you took my question wrong
I was asking that is there any way we can ask cm devs to help us in obtaining stable cm .. (Now I am finding this question as silly )
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hahahaha
Thinking same If they help to get CM stable
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There is no term as a cm Dev. There are a lot of devs that post to cm builds.
If a new devices comes to the market, a new developer, who owns the device, can build cm for the device and fix issues, if any.
If cm makes it official, that particular Dev will be official maintainer for the device.
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No.. I think you took my question wrong
I was asking that is there any way we can ask cm devs to help us in obtaining stable cm .. (Now I am finding this question as silly )
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I think it would be the same procedure as Carbon Team. Give them a device.
I would not mind giving $20, but we all need to contribute. Giving thanks does not help in this very specific case.
SirRhor said:
I think it would be the same procedure as Carbon Team. Give them a device.
I would not mind giving $20, but we all need to contribute. Giving thanks does not help in this very specific case.
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Ya I know giving only thanks does not help in this very specific case but I should do that much what I can I do as I am still a 16 year old student who gets rs70 as pocket money per week. So I don't have that much amount of money to contribute but still I can contribute an amount less than or equal to Rs 200 if it helps. It was less amount so I didn't mentioned . I really want development for moto e.
But how come there are loads of Roms for moto g dual Sim variant ???????
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But how come there are loads of Roms for moto g dual Sim variant ???????
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Because it has official cm for single Sim and devs in large number
That is exactly why we need to give a device to one maintainer.
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That is exactly why we need to give a device to one maintainer.
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Till now we have 28$ but we need 105$ nearly (for me 1$=Rs.65 )
Anyone else willing to collaborate?. To this point, it does not matter if we give the device to CM or Carbon.
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Anyone else willing to collaborate?. To this point, it does not matter if we give the device to CM or Carbon.
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I guess people aren't ready to contribute to get a working c-rom.
Let's just wait and watch now.
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I guess people aren't ready to contribute to get a working c-rom.
Let's just wait and watch now.
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Faith in humanity switch = OFF.