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NetFlix soon, Hulu sooner

Looks like the corporations may finally be catching up with the xda devs. Not really. They're just starting to get their heads out of their collective booties.
http://lifehacker.com/5729461/hulu-plus-announced-for-android-netflix-possibly-coming-soon

I dumped my Netflix account a while ago once they raised the price as I hardly used it. If they finally get out an android app for mobile streaming I may just reactivate. Looking more forward to an official Hulu app.

CapsLockKey said:
I dumped my Netflix account a while ago once they raised the price as I hardly used it. If they finally get out an android app for mobile streaming I may just reactivate. Looking more forward to an official Hulu app.
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same here with netflix

I couldnt care less about netfliz coming to android as i have it on my ipod touch and i tether to my epic all the time. As for hulu the ios version apparently you have to pay for a subscription, kinda sucks, ill just use the free hulu apk on here,
However netflix would look nice on my 4inch SAMOLED Screen compared to the much smaller ipod touch retina...

I honestly can't wait for either of these apps as I have subscriptions to both. I use HULU for Family Guy, Bones, Greys Anatomy etc. I use Netflix for movies and Spartacus. AWESOME!

If were gonna get Netflix on our Epics, it's gonna have to be a hacked version as they don't plan on releasing it to the Android market. It will be part of the carrier crapware on second gen Snapdragon devices. It's pre-installed on the LG Revolution, at least it was on one a CES. They believe that the fragmentation of Android makes it too difficult to implement a DRM solution across all devices.
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/01/27/netflix-android-app-headed-to-qualcomm-snapdragon-phones-first/
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Netflix-Delays-Android-Mobile-App-Over-Security-DRM-Fears-314055/

There was talk about Netflix back in November from some netflix boss. "Early next year" was what it said I think. Still not here seems to be a common theme....
Would sure be nice to have though.

I have total faith in our dev teams to port this ASAP. Heck! They could probably even prove their fears to be reality. Just saying...
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Netflix would be awesome!

Netflix confirmed that they would develop for Snapdragon first. Another black eye for Galaxy S phones. Not that Samsung would even want Netflix competing with MediaHub, anyway.

I got rid of them also when they raised prices. I bought a Slingbox pro and got the sling player app and man I can't believe it took me this long to get this. It is pretty awesome and works very good even on 3g. I wonder if netflix will work well on 3g, but unless they start getting better releases you can stream it was a waste for me. With 4 HD DVR's from Directv and expanded storage on them all with Multi-room viewing the sling box and sling player is just amazing. Oops this is not a slingbox Dtv thread sorry

I'm definitely looking forward to Netflix on Android.

Looking forward to netflix, but there is no hurry like i said earlier, cause i stream it from my phone to my ip0d touch (wireless tether).
As for hulu app, i dont want to pay for hulu plus like the ipod touch version, glad there is the free mod in the development section.

Bet they both require 2.2.1 or 2.3

chadit said:
Bet they both require 2.2.1 or 2.3
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That shouldn't be a problem if you have dk28 installed.
Btw about nextflix, I think I heard something about it coming in the spring like around end of april or something. Not sure about that though.
I dont really care for hulu, but netflix would be interesting to see because I have an account set up for it.
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jasonsf said:
Netflix confirmed that they would develop for Snapdragon first. Another black eye for Galaxy S phones. Not that Samsung would even want Netflix competing with MediaHub, anyway.
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Thank you for reminding me that it existed.

For those interested in streaming, I bought a Roku (you can get as cheap as $59.00), and I stream that through another port on my slingbox. So I have my DirecTV box and my Roku both streaming to my Android.
I am considering getting a Hulu subscription, then I can stream movies and Hulu from my phone (plus can play them on my PS3 and Wii).

Thanks for confirming. I thought I was delusional about the price change. I still love Netflix. I was thinking about it the other night. I don't have cable tv. I use Hulu for free, Netflix for streams as well as other websites. But I was thinking I could illegally download certain tv eps. Though it's really nice to just know they're there. Just as I was talking to my girlfriend yesterday because we've been having financial issues and I said how much do you think you spend average on Redbox. She says about 20. I said well lets get Netflix switched back on. It has been canceled currently because my debit was stolen. Really sucked. Carry zipped and chained wallets!

+1 on Netflix and Hulu
It always cracks me up to read about "Netflix not on Android yet" with the 2-3 NETFLIX ADs on every page, all over the xda Forums. like a little twist of the NetFlix Knife

I for one use netflix all the time. I watch it while im at work during downtime. and on the road would be great especially for road trips. the streaming is amazing on home pc or through the ps3. can you imagine this on out phone and even the tabs?

So no Snapdragon = no Netflix app for Xoom?

With all the new Honeycomb tablets and the majority of them being Tegra 2 based, is it really possible a Netflix app will not be made available to devices with non Qualcomm Snapdragon processors? I'm hoping this really is just a "Qualcomm first, Tegra 2 to follow" scenario. There will be a lot of upset Xoom (and other new tablet) owners if thats the case.

Well as I understand it.. it is a DRM issue. So the question is does Tegra have the DRM capabilities to satisfy the wanktards in Hollywood.

What's stopping someone from side loading the netflix app?
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Sirchuk said:
What's stopping someone from side loading the netflix app?
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Nothing is stopping us from side-loading. Though since they are using some hardware level DRM stuff.. it is reasonable to assume it wont work on non-snapdragons unless the DRM can be fully bypassed.

It's a valid point in this thread. I'm a big Netflix fan and if the Xoom doesn't support the DRM requirements, it may drive some buyers towards other devices... However, the Galaxy Tab 10.1 has the Tegra 2 as well.
Would really stink if we could only watch Netflix on our snapdragon cell phones, but not our $800 tablets.

It would be nice if Nvidia would come out and clarify whether or not this will be supported, considering that this applies not only to tablets, but a mass of upcoming phones as well.
As a side note: I'm surprised. I thought WP7 phones had Netflix support, and aren't they running on current-generation Snapdragon processors, or is this not the case?

kenyu73 said:
It's a valid point in this thread. I'm a big Netflix fan and if the Xoom doesn't support the DRM requirements, it may drive some buyers towards other devices... However, the Galaxy Tab 10.1 has the Tegra 2 as well.
Would really stink if we could only watch Netflix on our snapdragon cell phones, but not our $800 tablets.
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Agreed. This is my current dilemma. I was hoping to lay in bed streaming Netflix WI to my Xoom, not to my EVO. Now do I wait for a snapdragon tablet instead? For some people a Netflix app isnt a big deal, but I dont have cable and I stream everything over my media center pc. So I was really counting on a Netflix app. Grrrr.

Xevilious said:
It would be nice if Nvidia would come out and clarify whether or not this will be supported, considering that this applies not only to tablets, but a mass of upcoming phones as well.
As a side note: I'm surprised. I thought WP7 phones had Netflix support, and aren't they running on current-generation Snapdragon processors, or is this not the case?
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I think WP7 has or will have a Netflix app soon. If Netflix didn't build one, Microsoft would just buy Netflix.

kenyu73 said:
I think WP7 has or will have a Netflix app soon. If Netflix didn't build one, Microsoft would just buy Netflix.
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They're practically partners with Netflix being that NFLX uses Micrsoft Silverlight tech for streaming. Assbags.

deal breaker for me. I travel a lot and want to stream tv episodes to my Xoom...
I also must be on one eco system so if this doesn't get clarified soon, I may have to jump ship to iOS....
Do you think other streaming services...like MLB.TV will do the same thing? Those two apps are MUST haves for me especially on a tablet

frenzy757 said:
deal breaker for me. I travel a lot and want to stream tv episodes to my Xoom...
I also must be on one eco system so if this doesn't get clarified soon, I may have to jump ship to iOS....
Do you think other streaming services...like MLB.TV will do the same thing? Those two apps are MUST haves for me especially on a tablet
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According to Apple's new subscription service requirements, Netflix will have to be 'purchased' through the app store, so Apple can take their 30%. I doubt Netflix is going to let this happen, and may pull the app like others are threatening, such as Audible.

DRM is built into Honeycomb so any app can utilize it.
2.3 and earlier OS don't have this so they require a hardware fix.
google: android SDK 3.0 DRM
for sources, i can't post links

BBruin66 said:
DRM is built into Honeycomb so any app can utilize it.
2.3 and earlier OS don't have this so they require a hardware fix.
google: android SDK 3.0 DRM
for sources, i can't post links
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That's some good information. It would help explain why the Xoom and Tab 10.1 are Tegra 2 based. I hope Netflix gets something out soon.

"Netflix is using the Tegra 2 development platform to bring the Netflix experience to Android super phones and tablets. We're working closely with NVIDIA to ensure Netflix takes full advantage of Tegra's outstanding acceleration and security capabilities." -- Greg Peters, Vice President, Product Development at Netflix
This quote is on the Tegra 2 press release from CES on their site...
http://pressroom.nvidia.com/easyir/customrel.do?easyirid=A0D622CE9F579F09&version=live&prid=704926&releasejsp=release_157&xhtml=true

I hope that is true....no Netflix on the newest android tablet would suck a lot.
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BBruin66 said:
DRM is built into Honeycomb so any app can utilize it.
2.3 and earlier OS don't have this so they require a hardware fix.
google: android SDK 3.0 DRM
for sources, i can't post links
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Thank you. I have been panicking for the past few hours about the hardware level DRM crap. The knowledge that honeycomb as a whole has DRM capabilities makes me content that we will see hulu, and netflix.
frenzy757 said:
deal breaker for me. I travel a lot and want to stream tv episodes to my Xoom...
I also must be on one eco system so if this doesn't get clarified soon, I may have to jump ship to iOS....
Do you think other streaming services...like MLB.TV will do the same thing? Those two apps are MUST haves for me especially on a tablet
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Netflix is a boon to Android. But do they even have much in the way of TV? I got rid of netflix 6 months ago because I found their TV library to be incomplete. Certain shows were missing early seasons, and whole shows I figured they would have were missing. I also have that complaint about HULU. I wanted to watch Star Trek TNG one day when I was bored, and instead had to discover Babylon 5. I only watched it because I was REALLY bored and heard about it on The Big Bang Theory. B5 was meh.

The DRM SDK in Honeycomb is used so developers can interact with the hardware DRM generically.
I thought Honeycomb could support Netflix, but I think that is only a development interaction layer.
I hope I'm wrong.

Honeycomb DRM
It would make sense that Tegra 2 has some sort of DRM solution, because Google basically built Honeycomb on the Xoom. They would need some hardware there to test the DRM framework. Although, this statement is 100% speculation.

I did a quick check on the Tegra 2 specs and I didn't see any DRM reference. I'm also getting the Thunderbolt and the Snapdragon specs for the phone does have DRM referenced.
It would be nice to see a DRM official reference/screenshot to the chipset the Xoom has.

Netflix still on the way, says NVIDIA PR

Figured this was an update, as last word was from CES press release just saying NVIDIA and Netflix were excited. http://blogs.nvidia.com/2011/03/motorola-xoom-and-atrix-4g-make-their-debut/#comments
We are working on it. It’s a 3-way cooperation. We supply the technology in the Tegra and the secure OS, the OEM must integrate it and work out an arrangement with Netflix. I think all parties are working towards a complete solution. Stay tuned." Ken Brown from NVIDIA
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Nice to see forward progress of any kind.
Thanks.

whoa. Excited to see what comes.

Not fast enough. They need to get this going.

I don't really care since once flash comes out on the 18th I will be able to use PlayOn to watch Netflix and Hulu from one application.

nubsors said:
I don't really care since once flash comes out on the 18th I will be able to use PlayOn to watch Netflix and Hulu from one application.
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I would rather avoid having to pay for an additional service on top of service fees from Netflix.

Sirchuk said:
I would rather avoid having to pay for an additional service on top of service fees from Netflix.
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I hear you, but note that PlayOn allows use of standard Hulu, meaning you save the $7.99/month of Hulu Plus. For me, that's well worth the $40 first year cost.
Can't wait for Flash, for this reason alone...

The sad thing is that all the delays are related to the DRM protecting the movies on Netflix, which are all readily downloadable all over the internet in higher quality long before they ever hit Netflix instant watch. It's like they're wasting their time for no real good reason.
And to make things more sad, the unavailability on our Android devices is probably going to lead some people to piracy as a way of getting content on their devices. They're shooting themselves in the foot.

Dr.Preston said:
The sad thing is that all the delays are related to the DRM protecting the movies on Netflix, which are all readily downloadable all over the internet in higher quality long before they ever hit Netflix instant watch. It's like they're wasting their time for no real good reason.
And to make things more sad, the unavailability on our Android devices is probably going to lead some people to piracy as a way of getting content on their devices. They're shooting themselves in the foot.
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:-( sad.
But its good to hear that I will be able to watch movies hopefully soon one my Xoom.

Hopefully we will see this soon as I think the media end of things is what will attract many consumers. The iTunes, Hulu and netflix support makes that a compelling product for many. I hope that Netflix starts the avalance of media support for Android.
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Has all the hype died already ?

Not seeing anything for the past week or so when it comes to development, kernel updates, custom themes....etc. Has development halted already? Would be satisfied even with a debloated, optimized stock Honeycomb ROM. The Thunderbolt had its first ROM 2 days after launch and it was opened up before it was even released...what gives, a so called open tablet and nothing. Anything to give me faith again that I don't own a 800.00 bookend would be appreciated.
Then I was thinking about the Nexus One.....Maybe this Xoom is the Nexus One of the Tablet market & will be the developmental Tablet that everyone does everything on.....I'm just so confused at this point I don't know what to do

Honeycomb source hasn't been released = No custom ROMs

ksc6000 said:
Honeycomb source hasn't been released = No custom ROMs
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Not even able to remove bloat & optimize what we have?

mrksbrd said:
Not even able to remove bloat & optimize what we have?
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I'm sure bloatware could be removed, but optimizing I think would require our Devs to actually have the source code to optimize

mrksbrd said:
Not seeing anything for the past week or so when it comes to development, kernel updates, custom themes....etc. Has development halted already? Would be satisfied even with a debloated, optimized stock Honeycomb ROM. The Thunderbolt had its first ROM 2 days after launch and it was opened up before it was even released...what gives, a so called open tablet and nothing. Anything to give me faith again that I don't own a 800.00 bookend would be appreciated.
Then I was thinking about the Nexus One.....Maybe this Xoom is the Nexus One of the Tablet market & will be the developmental Tablet that everyone does everything on.....I'm just so confused at this point I don't know what to do
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I am confused by your post. What is bloated on the Xoom? It pretty much is a stock OS. You can root it, boost it to 1.5GHz, hook USB flash to it. What features are you exactly looking for?
Its an enjoyable browsing experience, the flash works pretty well, its great for reading ebooks and pdfs, you can listen to your music, watch videos, stream tv, connect to your desktop and have full access to your windows apps(or mac). Look at all your pictures, and if you take advantage of googles cloud, you can store them there and synch it with your phone and tablet without having to store them directly on your devices. It has a great RSS reader, N64 / SNES apps and hook a Wii controller up and have a console like experience, video chat, heck you can hook it up to a HD widescreen and it maintains the perfect aspect ratio and looks great, organize view and reply to emails, explore a really feature filled Map application with a great navigation features. You can even rant about Xoom features from your XDA App . Maybe you dont' agree, which is perfectly cool. Personal opinions are great and should always be respected. But I really am enjoying my Xoom, this is my first tablet, so maybe I am missing something that should be there.

All done with my xoom:
I will say, that I have had some fun with my xoom, but with any toy the xoom in my house has joined my other obsolete toys on my closet shelf. It was a interesting tablet computer I just haven't found much use for my xoom other than playing converted movies. I will just leave it in the box on the shelf, and someday someone will buy it from me at one of my wife's garage sales.

sleeplessninja said:
I am confused by your post. What is bloated on the Xoom? It pretty much is a stock OS. You can root it, boost it to 1.5GHz, hook USB flash to it. What features are you exactly looking for?
Its an enjoyable browsing experience, the flash works pretty well, its great for reading ebooks and pdfs, you can listen to your music, watch videos, stream tv, connect to your desktop and have full access to your windows apps(or mac). Look at all your pictures, and if you take advantage of googles cloud, you can store them there and synch it with your phone and tablet without having to store them directly on your devices. It has a great RSS reader, N64 / SNES apps and hook a Wii controller up and have a console like experience, video chat, heck you can hook it up to a HD widescreen and it maintains the perfect aspect ratio and looks great, organize view and reply to emails, explore a really feature filled Map application with a great navigation features. You can even rant about Xoom features from your XDA App . Maybe you dont' agree, which is perfectly cool. Personal opinions are great and should always be respected. But I really am enjoying my Xoom, this is my first tablet, so maybe I am missing something that should be there.
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I agree with this. There's really nothing missing right now. Nor is there much bloat to remove. Dungeon Defenders? Sure, you could root and remove it, but it's a nice way to show off what the tablet can do.
Down the line, when Moto stops providing proper updates or something, a ROM might be warranted. But with the likelihood of this getting pure stock Android for at least a year to come, means there's really no need for a ROM right now.
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I will say, that I have had some fun with my xoom, but with any toy the xoom in my house has joined my other obsolete toys on my closet shelf. It was a interesting tablet computer I just haven't found much use for my xoom other than playing converted movies. I will just leave it in the box on the shelf, and someday someone will buy it from me at one of my wife's garage sales.
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Not sure how a tablet doesn't make it into your daily routine. It's the first thing I grab in the morning now (after it wakes me up, of course)

I don't know, the way this was marketed it should have bells, whistles, screaming sirens and the ability to control [email protected] least that is what I grabbed out of all the ads, commercials I have saw. I wanted something that came outta the hole like the OG Droid. I know it's still in its baby's footsteps but my main thing is it not taking full availability of this monster Tegra 2. According to the specs of this chip the Xoom is only using 1/16 of its capability. And the other thing I would like is for it to be snappy and responsive....AAAAAHHHHH maybe I'm asking too much, I am just at a crossroad right now & need re-alignment.

mrksbrd said:
I don't know, the way this was marketed it should have bells, whistles, screaming sirens and the ability to control [email protected] least that is what I grabbed out of all the ads, commercials I have saw. I wanted something that came outta the hole like the OG Droid. I know it's still in its baby's footsteps but my main thing is it not taking full availability of this monster Tegra 2. According to the specs of this chip the Xoom is only using 1/16 of its capability. And the other thing I would like is for it to be snappy and responsive....AAAAAHHHHH maybe I'm asking too much, I am just at a crossroad right now & need re-alignment.
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HEY! the xoom also makes for a nice calculator if nothing else!.

mrksbrd said:
Not seeing anything for the past week or so when it comes to development, kernel updates, custom themes....etc. Has development halted already? Would be satisfied even with a debloated, optimized stock Honeycomb ROM. The Thunderbolt had its first ROM 2 days after launch and it was opened up before it was even released...what gives, a so called open tablet and nothing. Anything to give me faith again that I don't own a 800.00 bookend would be appreciated.
Then I was thinking about the Nexus One.....Maybe this Xoom is the Nexus One of the Tablet market & will be the developmental Tablet that everyone does everything on.....I'm just so confused at this point I don't know what to do
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You should already be satisfied then because there is no bloat on here which makes it a pure google experience device and once source is released i expect it to be the nexus one of tablets

PaulG1488 said:
You should already be satisfied then because there is no bloat on here which makes it a pure google experience device and once source is released i expect it to be the nexus one of tablets
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"once source is released ?" you meen IF SOURCE IS RELEASED they may never do so!. I still dont have a SD card slot that workes in my xoom.

Its a stock google device. Bloat? Cordy and dungeon defenders? Rename apk to bak in root explorer and they're gone. It'll be ROMmed eventually but right now just enjoy pure honeycomb minus lame blur skin.
Source will be released once more tabs are out. Lame ass tabs are hacked and OSs thrown on them that shouldn't be. Google is protecting their prized OS from being hacked onto a 7"gtab or nook.

I don't think it has to do with the loss of enthusiasm but the lack of the source as stated by other posters. Maybe spirits have been dampened by Google's decision to delay the release of the source code but once it's release there will be a fresh breeze of ROMs.

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can't vote as none of the poll options support my thoughts.
"Everything I dreamed of"

funnycreature said:
I don't think it has to do with the loss of enthusiasm but the lack of the source as stated by other posters. Maybe spirits have been dampened by Google's decision to delay the release of the source code but once it's release there will be a fresh breeze of ROMs.
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I think this says it best. People are disappointed that source isn't being released soon but it definitely doesn't it won't be. They have released source for each one so far doesn't make sense that they would stop now
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Above I started a thread entitled: "Is Motorola Ditching Android." If anyone bothers to read the linked article, it presents a possible motivation for not releasing the source code:
WAR
The hardware companies are starting to talk about breaking away from Google. HP has purchased palm and is releasing its own tablet. Now Motorola is rumored to be considering the same thing. The Blackberry Playbook Tablet is now up for pre-order on Best Buy. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/iPad-Tablet-PCs/Tablet-PCs/pcmcat209000050008.c?id=pcmcat209000050008
The Holy Grail in this business is to own BOTH the OS and the hardware. Know any other company who has done this? Begins with an A... named after a fruit....
Perhaps Google is reconsidering just how open-source it wants to be.

We can't have a deodexed or optimized rom until the smali utilities are updated, which requires honey comb source to drop.
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Digital Man said:
Above I started a thread entitled: "Is Motorola Ditching Android." If anyone bothers to read the linked article, it presents a possible motivation for not releasing the source code:
WAR
The hardware companies are starting to talk about breaking away from Google. HP has purchased palm and is releasing its own tablet. Now Motorola is rumored to be considering the same thing. The Blackberry Playbook Tablet is now up for pre-order on Best Buy. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/iPad-Tablet-PCs/Tablet-PCs/pcmcat209000050008.c?id=pcmcat209000050008
The Holy Grail in this business is to own BOTH the OS and the hardware. Know any other company who has done this? Begins with an A... named after a fruit....
Perhaps Google is reconsidering just how open-source it wants to be.
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Take off your aluminum hat for a moment.
I hope you understand that the "holy grail" as you put it is a bit more complicated than you think. For those of us who ummmm....read and know ****. We refer to thing like that with a really fancy phrase called "vertical integration". Also, remember Apple is a vertical integration monster, owning the hardware, OS, AND * drum-roll* distribution channels. They've built their company up like this. Motorola is still a long way from having this sort of capability. They don't even own all their hardware. The article you posted contains statements taken out of context. Complaints like those are hardly rare and mostly amount to nothing.
I can promise you google will release the source code for Honeycomb. It is no surprise that they are withholding a product that was specifically designed for and still incomplete on the xoom. If they put out the source code small companies as well as every **** and jane could peddle incredibly ****ty software with google branding with a side pile of bricks large enough to build a bridge to russia. They rushed the release because of the Ipad 2. **** works OK. Give them some time to make 3.0 play nice with pretty much everything else, and if that includes phones, it might take awhile. Be patient.

Digital Man said:
Above I started a thread entitled: "Is Motorola Ditching Android." If anyone bothers to read the linked article, it presents a possible motivation for not releasing the source code:
WAR
The hardware companies are starting to talk about breaking away from Google. HP has purchased palm and is releasing its own tablet. Now Motorola is rumored to be considering the same thing. The Blackberry Playbook Tablet is now up for pre-order on Best Buy. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/iPad-Tablet-PCs/Tablet-PCs/pcmcat209000050008.c?id=pcmcat209000050008
The Holy Grail in this business is to own BOTH the OS and the hardware. Know any other company who has done this? Begins with an A... named after a fruit....
Perhaps Google is reconsidering just how open-source it wants to be.
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All of this is not entirely true. The Holy Grail in business doesn't always mean you have to do hardware and OS. One pure example of where it didn't work out as planned is Nokia. Grant it there is more involved that just this, but it just serves as an example.
Mobile is a very complex platform that involves many, many factors. In fact one of Apples biggest moves in our decade was to switch from making their own in house processors(their own hardware) and to go with x86 Intel Chips (someone elses hardware). Yes apple puts the hardware together, but its not just their own hardware. Even for the iphone and ipad, do you know who makes the CPU/GPU for Apple phones? They partnered with a company called Samsung, who also makes android phones.
Motorola isn't rumored to be making their own OS, they are, but the kind of OS they are looking to build is much different from the android or apple. From what I have read in the technology articles they are building a web based phones, which is still very much an untapped market and will most likely be different than a smartphone experience. Motorola has done a solid job with the android platform so far. I love my droid, the droid X is great, the Atrix is a smart idea, and the Xoom is a solid device(all my personal opinion) , I think motorola is one of the best android devices out there right now and it makes sense for them to explore new territory, like they did with the Atrix. Honestly the other companies like HP need to find a way to compete in a sea of android devices especially with great manufactures like HTC and Motorola, i think its smart that they choose to differentiate themselves.(again my opinion)
There is no right way to do a business. Whether you choose to focus in do good in one thing, or create an empire that does many amazing things, every business has their way to what they do. I am not dissing apple, android, microsoft, nokia, you or anyone. But please you cannot break down these very complex companies with thousands of employees, dozens of divisions across the world into simple black and white answers.

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Take off your aluminum hat for a moment.
I hope you understand that the "holy grail" as you put it is a bit more complicated than you think. For those of us who ummmm....read and know ****. We refer to thing like that with a really fancy phrase called "vertical integration". Also, remember Apple is a vertical integration monster, owning the hardware, OS, AND * drum-roll* distribution channels. They've built their company up like this. Motorola is still a long way from having this sort of capability. They don't even own all their hardware. The article you posted contains statements taken out of context. Complaints like those are hardly rare and mostly amount to nothing.
I can promise you google will release the source code for Honeycomb. It is no surprise that they are withholding a product that was specifically designed for and still incomplete on the xoom. If they put out the source code small companies as well as every **** and jane could peddle incredibly ****ty software with google branding with a side pile of bricks large enough to build a bridge to russia. They rushed the release because of the Ipad 2. **** works OK. Give them some time to make 3.0 play nice with pretty much everything else, and if that includes phones, it might take awhile. Be patient.
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Thank you what I mostly feel as well.

So I played with a Transformer today at BB

Also played with the Xoom, the Flyer, the TouchPad, and the Tab 10.1.
The Xoom felt well built, but heavy. The Flyer is crippled with Sense and its single core CPU, though it felt well built, its over priced.
So, I was down to playing with the Tab 10.1 and Transformer. Both felt well built and light. The Tab was 100 USD more expensive, and I believe Samsung wants to bring TouchWiz to their HoneyComb devices?
I honestly almost bought the Transformer. Thought, I held back because Netflix isn't officially supported yet. I also didn't see Skype Video either. These things would be essential for me and I wanted to research whether there were unsupported methods for these.
So, what are people using their Transformer/Tablets for? I want Netflix, Hulu, Skype Video. Although, I believe Gtalk Video does work?
Also, just a friendly reminder to everyone. If you play with a demo model at a retail store, don't leave your Facebook account logged in. The Flyer, the Tab 10.1, the Xoom, and the Transformer models all had accounts left logged in. The people are lucky I was the one who went hands on with the tablet next because I logged them out without so much as a status update.

Agreed it is unfortunate that things like netflix, hbogo are not usuable on this tab. I could live with watching HBO GO via browser, but flash seems to be all but broken on many peoples TF's also, so that is out the window for now too,

Thanks for the reply. I was pretty close to buying one, they were offering 18 months zero interest financing. But, without those crucial apps, what am I going to do with it that I can't do on my Hp dm1z.

I really agree its not about having 120000 apps,its about netflix,hulu plus,hbo go and words with friends tablet edition, with out those apps honeycomb will never appeal to the masses

Bateluer said:
Also, just a friendly reminder to everyone. If you play with a demo model at a retail store, don't leave your Facebook account logged in. The Flyer, the Tab 10.1, the Xoom, and the Transformer models all had accounts left logged in. The people are lucky I was the one who went hands on with the tablet next because I logged them out without so much as a status update.
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I'm not sure I could have resisted to be honest...

case0 said:
I'm not sure I could have resisted to be honest...
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I'm a nice guy.

You guys have no idea how much potential this transformer has.I've rooted mine and i've had nothing but fun with this thing,the speed is great and the flash works great with hulu.It might not be all that hot playing with it for 5 minutes in a store,once you root it and get the cpu set,its one of the best tabs out and i've had a xoom and samsung.Its only a matter of time before your apps will be supported(via updates).

cowballz69 said:
I really agree its not about having 120000 apps,its about netflix,hulu plus,hbo go and words with friends tablet edition, with out those apps honeycomb will never appeal to the masses
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Rather US centric view there?
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Dave

cowballz69 said:
I really agree its not about having 120000 apps,its about netflix,hulu plus,hbo go and words with friends tablet edition, with out those apps honeycomb will never appeal to the masses
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Is that an attempt at sarcasm because it should be! I wouldn't want to watch tv shows on my 10' tablet, that's why i have a 47' plasma

I don't see the use of Netflix on a tablet unless you wanna watch it lying down on your bed and grow fat.

There are many other countries in this world, and people there have no idea what netflix and huhu are
anyway, agreed honeycomb should have provided native support for them...

Same here.
I been waiting for netflix and I do see it on android market now on transformer however it won't let you download it. Hopefully this will be updated soon.
Hulu plus isn't worth paying for.. especially those advertisements.
However, you can just go to hulu.com and watch it for free.

trancemode said:
Same here.
I been waiting for netflix and I do see it on android market now on transformer however it won't let you download it. Hopefully this will be updated soon.
Hulu plus isn't worth paying for.. especially those advertisements.
However, you can just go to hulu.com and watch it for free.
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Eh? Hulus premium offers archived streaming. Netflixes streams aren't really that good to be honest.
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frosty5689 said:
I don't see the use of Netflix on a tablet unless you wanna watch it lying down on your bed and grow fat.
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And how a couch would be better? XD
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Diablo67 said:
You guys have no idea how much potential this transformer has.I've rooted mine and i've had nothing but fun with this thing,the speed is great and the flash works great with hulu.It might not be all that hot playing with it for 5 minutes in a store,once you root it and get the cpu set,its one of the best tabs out and i've had a xoom and samsung.Its only a matter of time before your apps will be supported(via updates).
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I fully agree that these all have a lot of potential, but the question is what am I going to do with a 400 dollar paperweight while I wait for updates to bring features that should have been there from the gate.
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I did the same thing yesterday. Went to a few stores, handled all of them and finally made my decision. Transformer 32gb with the dock. While the Galaxy Tab was in my top 3, it has no sd expansion, hdmi and a horribly weak kb dock. Even my non-technical wife looked at the two and thought it was a simple decision. All charged up and ready to tackle day 1. (Root and GO!)

teegunn said:
Agreed it is unfortunate that things like netflix, hbogo are not usuable on this tab. I could live with watching HBO GO via browser, but flash seems to be all but broken on many peoples TF's also, so that is out the window for now too,
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I run HBOgo through Dolphin and I have not had any issues so far.
The Netflix thing sucks. I was not happy to discover after buy TF on Thursday that Netflix didn't work and Skype won't do video.
I hate conspiracy theories, but I have to wonder what Jobs is paying Netflix under the table to slow development.

LOL at people complaining at things not working I had a gtablet since November...
Things on this work really well.

ewitte said:
LOL at people complaining at things not working I had a gtablet since November...
Things on this work really well.
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Yes, but the G-Tablet ran Froyo, not the Google-blessed HoneyComb.

Diablo67 said:
You guys have no idea how much potential this transformer has.I've rooted mine and i've had nothing but fun with this thing,the speed is great and the flash works great with hulu.It might not be all that hot playing with it for 5 minutes in a store,once you root it and get the cpu set,its one of the best tabs out and i've had a xoom and samsung.Its only a matter of time before your apps will be supported(via updates).
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Got to agree with him. Once you root, and get a decent ROM on it, it's a great tablet. Grab the dock if you can, and it's even better. The Samsung is a nice tablet, but I don't care for the excessively bright and non-real colors on the screen. It makes me think that they just turned the brightness and contrast way up to make it seem like it's so bright and vivid. Also, the lack of any extra storage slot (ie SD/microSD) hinders it quite a bit. Ever tried to transfer a large file (>200megs) over wifi or bluetooth? Much easier to just use a card. I have to do this quite often (from phone to transformer) and for friends. Either way, I love mine.
Buy what you want, it's your money so spend it how you want. I love my transformer. Yes, the Samsung screen is 'oh so great', if you like that. I don't, but the Transformer screen is just as good. And, my favorite part, is I can hold onto the Transformer (golf ball dimples on the back of it are awesome...not some smooth piece of metal that gets tons of fingerprints and is slippery).