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Missing apps in market?

Um...Is it just me, or are there a number of apps missing from the market.
Can't find LauncherPro, HelixLauncher2, or ADWLauncher. ???
My Googlefu is weak in this area. Can't seem to find any info on it.

I've found all three of those with my slide. That's pretty strange. Have you tried going to the androlib site and scanning the qr to go straight to the app?

Im using launcherpro now. Have you tried restarting or re-syncing your account.

drpfenderson said:
Um...Is it just me, or are there a number of apps missing from the market.
Can't find LauncherPro, HelixLauncher2, or ADWLauncher. ???
My Googlefu is weak in this area. Can't seem to find any info on it.
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I cannot get handcent now... is gone and I had a couple other people with this phone look as well and cannot find it. we found the font packs but no handcent. I went to another site and got the QR code and it would not allow me to even open the app, it force closed every time on me. I wonder if there are bugs they are fixing and took it off the market for now.

I am not able to find Launcherpro either. I even tried going through androilib and scanning it. I also used my fiance's slide and got the same results. I was able to find the other two though.

Earlyer I was looknig for LauncherPro, and couldnt find it in the Market, did find it on Andlib and scanned it, but the download fails saying it cant be found.

neoseal said:
I am not able to find Launcherpro either. I even tried going through androilib and scanning it. I also used my fiance's slide and got the same results. I was able to find the other two though.
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Exactly. This happens with most Home-replacement apps it seems. Tried scanning barcodes, but the pnames cannot be found. LOTS of apps seem to be missing. I'll start making a list.

drpfenderson said:
Exactly. This happens with most Home-replacement apps it seems. Tried scanning barcodes, but the pnames cannot be found. LOTS of apps seem to be missing. I'll start making a list.
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when this issue started for me with handcent I started looking into it. Handcent mod says it is google's issue. they said some apps when getting a update are not rolling back out onto the market for some reason. they did not remove the app but it is not there. Please Google, fix it.

This is so weird. I've tested with other 2.1 phones, and there is no problem. Just seems to be the Slide.
Quick Settings is missing as well.

they are having the same problem with the EVO.........

I have helix and quick settings .. no handcent

Its because of the custom UI non compatable apps shouldnt show up in the market. At least thats what ive read. I have noticed this as well many apps are missing.

sdelcegno said:
Its because of the custom UI non compatable apps shouldnt show up in the market. At least thats what ive read. I have noticed this as well many apps are missing.
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That is just full of suck. :-/ Just manually downloading the apps anyways. Screw SenseUI.
Also, this Genius button is absurdly useless.

i've had the slide for about a month now.
at first, we were running software number 1.sumpin rather... then received an upgrade to 1.18... on that 'beta' software, the MTS was essentially white-listed on the market, where only a few paid apps were showing up, etc. we then received another update to 1.27.531.1 which is what should be running out of the box.. all of my paid apps are gone, but it seems htc is having issues with applications that are being upgraded... they aren't reappearing on the marketplace unless previously installed.. and yes evo exact same issue. hopefully a fix comes soon..

drpfenderson said:
That is just full of suck. :-/ Just manually downloading the apps anyways. Screw SenseUI.
Also, this Genius button is absurdly useless.
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the genius button does more than you think....
you can say
Search (name of place, location, thing or topic) - Map or google searches
Where Am I - Pulls up Google Maps
Call (Name of a contact) - Calls Contact
Music - Opens Music Player
Play Music - Plays music (If music is set to play random it will play random)
Show Me - Shows list of applications
Bluetooth On
Bluetooth Off
GPS ON
GPS OFF
Wifi ON
Wifi OFF
Weather
change mode
open______ (insert app)
it definitely isnt limited to what is on the screen.....
Yea, it doesnt really speed things up, but does help a lot while driving..
in fact, you can also say driving mode on...

From what I read on twitter. The release of the evo took one of the servers down and thats why some apps dont appear. Google is aware and is trying to fix the situation.
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Handcent and adw launcher have both released on their website that this is an issue with google, not them. They have both uploaded apk files for download until the issue is fixed. I would hope all devs are doing the same if their app is impacted by this issue. I downloaded both and they work great!

here's a list of genius commands under tips and tricks on the left side.
There are a bunch.
tmobile.dragonmobileapps.com./support.html

Did hard reset - No now compass in maps and no navigation!

Hi
I was fed up with my vibrant being as slow as a three legged dog so I phoned for a replacement. I agreed to try a hard reset first and now it flies!!
Only thing I notice is that google maps now just shows a blue dot and not an arrow with my direction (not that it ever got the direction correct anyway!)
Has any one else found this? I now also don't have google navigation. When I go onto the market, it say my google maps is up to date. How do I get this all back?
Confused about this one...

Did you do a hard reset from with the settings menu or from the bootup menu?
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IIRC the version of Maps that comes in the stock ROM doesn't do that. There should be an upgrade to Maps through the Market that adds the compass functionality. Same with Navigation...I thought I remembered having to download it the first time I used it.

I thought it always had the compass, but I remember having to download the navigation.
Trouble is market place says i have the latest version and there is no uninstall option for maps either...

zzkamikazezz said:
I thought it always had the compass, but I remember having to download the navigation.
Trouble is market place says i have the latest version and there is no uninstall option for maps either...
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Weird. If you hit the Menu button in the Market and then go to Downloads it doesn't say there's an update available? I did a factory reset not too long ago, and I didn't get the compass headings in Maps until I installed an update for it.

no, no updates available, mentions the 3d navigation on the app screen in market place. the uninstall is grey out...

zzkamikazezz said:
no, no updates available, mentions the 3d navigation on the app screen in market place. the uninstall is grey out...
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What version of Maps do you have (Menu --> More --> About)? I have 4.4.0 (#4414) gmm-android-tmobile-us. I have the compass heading functionality.

I don't know if this is normal, but when I go to downloads in the marketplace, all my apps are listed as installed even though they have been wiped from the phone after the reset.
Is that normal?

dex1701 said:
What version of Maps do you have (Menu --> More --> About)? I have 4.4.0 (#4414) gmm-android-tmobile-us. I have the compass heading functionality.
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I have 4.0.0 (4046). So not the latest then.

You need to do a hard reset from Settings> Privacy> Data Reset. If you do it from the boot up menu it causing the market issue and some other issues too. It doesn't actually do a complete reset. I made the same mistake. Once you do the full reset you will be able to update Google Maps through the Marketplace.
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Thanks, will I lose text messages by doing that and phone numbers stored on the phone?
I was surprised that they were still there after the hard reset.

That is how you know it didn't do the job! You will lose everything and your phone will be just how it was when you first took it out of the box after doing the master reset. Your contacts should be saved to your google account and will automatically download once you sign back in. Unless you did not sync your contacts with google.
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That is how you know it didn't do the job! You will lose everything and your phone will be just how it was when you first took it out of the box after doing the master reset. Your contacts should be saved to your google account and will automatically download once you sign back in. Unless you did not sync your contacts with google.
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Maps is back up to date now, thanks for the pointers. Just doing the hardware reset really got rid of the lag problems, shame I had to erase all data as well just to get maps up to date.

That other reset also causes other problems down the road, best to do the full blown reset now before you get too much on the phone and have even more pain with a reset later! Glad it worked though.
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[Q] "Getting driving directions

Firmware 2.1-update1
Kernel 2.3.29
Phone is rooted
I haven't tried to use Google Maps since I rooted, until now. After I rooted and got rid of a bunch of bloatware, I did screw up and disabled a few apps I shouldn't have messed with. A few of them were things such as Google Talk and some other things......that I 'thought' were useless, but found out quickly I couldn't even DL apps from the Market without some of them.
I got that straight, and now I have found the only thing that doesn't work is nav. I can enter the address, and the driving directions come up in text. I can also see an overall map, with the directions outlined. When I click to change teh screen to navigation mode.....it gets stuck on "getting driving directions".
I've done a little research and tried a few things. I have uninstalled and reinstalled Google Maps, I have tried GPS Booster (tried the lite version for free), and GPS Booster failed, I have made sure all of my settings were correct for GPS......
When I first open Maps, where it gives your GPS location.....the pinpointed area it shows me in is about 0.75-1.0 miles away from where I actually am. So I am wondering if it isn't going off my phone position itself, instead of GPS.....
Anyone have any tips or things to try? I am out of things I have found to do.....

you could always just odin back to stock, then re-root, and see if that does the trick.

Download Gps Test from the market, enable VZW and Google location services, turn on GPS and run Gps test. If you able to get a lock with that Nav should get a lock as well.
If it still hangs on "getting driving directions" youve prob got app problems.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the app - pretty sure it just says "getting driving directions" until it gets a GPS lock, so make sure you're locked in the GPS Status app before trying the navigation.

ziggy484 said:
you could always just odin back to stock, then re-root, and see if that does the trick.
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I'm hoping for a much simpler solution.
AlgorithmX said:
Download Gps Test from the market, enable VZW and Google location services, turn on GPS and run Gps test. If you able to get a lock with that Nav should get a lock as well.
If it still hangs on "getting driving directions" youve prob got app problems.
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Downloaded two different free GPS testers.....neither will lock a location.
burlingtonbob said:
I don't think there's anything wrong with the app - pretty sure it just says "getting driving directions" until it gets a GPS lock, so make sure you're locked in the GPS Status app before trying the navigation.
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Ya....

I'd also like to also reiterate that after I rooted and deleted a bunch of bloatware, I did accidentally deactivate several things. I didn't actually delete ANYTHING, I simply renamed the extensions of everything from ".apk" to ".bak". Are there any critical apps I could have killed that aren't blatantly obvious by their names? I think I have all the Google stuff, and any of the voice things returned to normal. In fact I had to do that just to get the market to work....

Here are apps I have disabled:
BluetoothOPP
CarHome
CityID_1.0.27_vzn.sch.i500_12118_release
DeskHome
Dlna
Final_Schi500_3.9.3.3_07262010
I500_MyVerizon_05202010
InfoAlarm
MobileAP
MobileClientUpdate
TtsService
vnav_4.7.0.258_i500_rel_PROD-signed

Update:
I changed the last app I listed above back to .apk, and noticed that there were some changes for the better.
vnav_4.7.0.258_i500_rel_PROD-signed
When I opened Maps, I pulled up the directions like normal.....then switched it to navigate on the map. What I noticed was that the map showed up in the background.....and it was actually plotted my exact location. The map was still grayed out, and it still shows "getting driving directions".
I also ran GPS tester.....and it now shows lots of info on the display, but I am still trying to figure out how the fark to work it.

Ok, GPS tester plots within 20 feet of me.......but I can't get Maps to get into Nav mode still.

ttt
Anyone?

Anyone?

Tts is text to speach.. you need that for spoken directions.
Just a thought, but why not change all of the not so obvious ones back to apk's, and just see what happens.
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Reinstall back to stock than test. One step at a time. Stock than test root test etc ...
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cseeley said:
Tts is text to speach.. you need that for spoken directions.
Just a thought, but why not change all of the not so obvious ones back to apk's, and just see what happens.
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Did a scan of it, I'll probably go do it again here shortly...since I still haven't solved this.
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Reinstall back to stock than test. One step at a time. Stock than test root test etc ...
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I was hoping to avoid reloading to stock, especially since this app worked fine since rooting.

Google now cards issue

About a week ago, I started having issues with the Now Cards (or feeds or whatever Google calls them now) showing up on the Google Now screen when I swipe over. My google search screen (on left) showed no cards even after 24 hours had passed, but in the notification dropdown, it showed a weather notification and showed some number of cards at the bottom right. I could click on the notification and it took me to the Google Now search, which had NO cards. I reset the Google Search settings, history, and the Google app. It worked...for about 2 hours. Now back to notifications showing 21 Cards under the Weather but nothing in the Google now search screen.
Since I was wanting to go ahead and unlock my bootloader and root, I reset the phone, rooted it, and all the other fun stuff. Google Now Cards...still the same problem. Even took the same steps outlined above. I get a few hours where it works, then nothing.
So my question is this: Cards/Feeds seems to be on because I am getting notifications, but clicking on it takes me to a blank Google search screen. How do I make the cards under notifications show on the Google Now search? Or am I missing something else? Did Google just decide to break their own stuff during their EOL for Google Now launcher?

Mine has been doing this occasionally as well, I am using the Google App beta, so I thought it may be due to that. Are you using the stable release?
Tapping the search bar within the Google App (where the cards/feed should be) fixes this issue for me, until the next time it occurs, usually a day or so later.

I'm using stable. My cards have come back again but for how long is unknown. I guess Google is messing things up in the updates because it started happening right after the latest update.

Card went away again. Quite frustrating. I'm using Google now launcher so I will try to switch.

aybarrap1 said:
Card went away again. Quite frustrating. I'm using Google now launcher so I will try to switch.
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I'm using Nova, same issue. Just tapping the search bar from within the Google app brings my cards back.

Tapping the search bar on Nova didn't help until I reset the Google search, then quit working again (yes I get a decent number of feeds do to weather, online orders, etc). I actually liked the now launcher and swiping over as I actually find the cards useful. I like Nova well enough so with now cards being intermittent at best, I might as well turn off the feeds to save battery if they aren't reliable for now and switch over to Nova so I can utilize screen real estate to the left of home.

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Tapping the search bar on Nova didn't help until I reset the Google search, then quit working again (yes I get a decent number of feeds do to weather, online orders, etc). I actually liked the now launcher and swiping over as I actually find the cards useful. I like Nova well enough so with now cards being intermittent at best, I might as well turn off the feeds to save battery if they aren't reliable for now and switch over to Nova so I can utilize screen real estate to the left of home.
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Tapping the search bar from within the Google app fixes mine, not on the launcher home screen. So with GNL, swipe to Google Now, tap search, fixed. Nova: open Google app, tap search. On my device this works anyway.

quakeaz said:
Tapping the search bar from within the Google app fixes mine, not on the launcher home screen. So with GNL, swipe to Google Now, tap search, fixed. Nova: open Google app, tap search. On my device this works anyway.
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Didn't work on mine. I'll keep trying some various things over the next few days to see what comes of it. Hopefully it is just a bug that Google will release an update to fix.

I had same issue, I solved that issue doing the following:
go to settings => application => app google => empty cache and data
Kind of factory reset for google search app.
Just need to re enable google now after that and cards are back.
Seems not be device related but google search update released 17/02/2017 see the comment on the play store.

guerito73 said:
I had same issue, I solved that issue doing the following:
go to settings => application => app google => empty cache and data
Kind of factory reset for google search app.
Just need to re enable google now after that and cards are back.
Seems not be device related but google search update released 17/02/2017 see the comment on the play store.
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After reading through the reviews on the play store, it is looking like an update issue by Google. Using the Google now launcher pretty much leaves the cards useless for me. If I use another launcher, the Google search app will work with the new tab thing they have going on.

Hi all,
I am with Google Now Launcher. I have the same issue with the google now cards. Can't seem to make them appear on will. They come and go whenever Tried force close on Google app, cleaning cache and so on. Opening the app from the app drawer make no difference. Interestingly when I switch to Pixel Launcher and tap the google logo on the top left on the home screen and then tap the google logo from the search bar all the cards are there but when I go back to GNL the cards are missing
So I guess something is messed with Google app/Google Now Launcher relation.

PsychoTribe said:
Hi all,
I am with Google Now Launcher. I have the same issue with the google now cards. Can't seem to make them appear on will. They come and go whenever Tried force close on Google app, cleaning cache and so on. Opening the app from the app drawer make no difference. Interestingly when I switch to Pixel Launcher and tap the google logo on the top left on the home screen and then tap the google logo from the search bar all the cards are there but when I go back to GNL the cards are missing
So I guess something is messed with Google app/Google Now Launcher relation.
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Thanks for confirming this. I wonder if Google is just giving up completely on the Google now launcher since they are removing it from the play store. It bites if they are especially considering the are a fair number of people who use it.

aybarrap1 said:
Thanks for confirming this. I wonder if Google is just giving up completely on the Google now launcher since they are removing it from the play store. It bites if they are especially considering the are a fair number of people who use it.
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My thoughts exactly

I have also been having this issue. Blank Google Now feed and using the Google Now Launching, which is stock. My MXPE is virgin stock since day 1. I have even factory rest and the issue still came back a couple of days later.
This all started about a month ago for me too.

Darnell_Chat_TN said:
I have also been having this issue. Blank Google Now feed and using the Google Now Launching, which is stock. My MXPE is virgin stock since day 1. I have even factory rest and the issue still came back a couple of days later.
This all started about a month ago for me too.
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Thanks. It is obvious from reviews and he that Google screwed it up with an update... About the time they added tabbed feeds. What a crappy way to drop support if that is their end game.

My cards are functioning fine..Haven't noticed any change or missing cards.

aybarrap1 said:
Thanks. It is obvious from reviews and he that Google screwed it up with an update... About the time they added tabbed feeds. What a crappy way to drop support if that is their end game.
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Yeah, I started having problems after a Google App update.
When we get Google notifications, for things like time to leave for an appointment. It goes to Google Now when the notification is pressed and there's a blank screen.
If Google were to end support, it would leave us with dibiltated devices.
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My cards are functioning fine..Haven't noticed any change or missing cards.
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Maybe the ROM you're using still uses an older version of the Google app, before the issues started?

Darnell_Chat_TN said:
Yeah, I started having problems after a Google App update.
When we get Google notifications, for things like time to leave for an appointment. It goes to Google Now when the notification is pressed and there's a blank screen.
If Google were to end support, it would leave us with dibiltated devices.
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Maybe the ROM you're using still uses an older version of the Google app, before the issues started?
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The cards work fine if using another launcher like Nova and you enter the Google app. In fact the Google search app when entered via another launcher will show the tabbed feeds that the latest update boasts about.
It is specifically the Google Now Launcher with the swipe to left function which seems to have the feeds broken. The tabbed feeds will not show up in the Google app under Google Now. If you press the colorful G icon, in all apps or the persistent search bar, it does not launch into the Google app, but rather takes you to the left of the homescreen, which is the part that is broken.
Since Google plans to remove the Google Now Launcher from the app store, I fear they may have dropped support for it and will not fix the feeds issue. I hope Google's announcement to bring Google Assistant this week to MM and N will fix this problem... Or give us the Pixel Launcher (I know I'm dreaming but I can hope).

Thank you, you're right. I prefer Arrow Launcher as a fallback and now the cards work again.
And I agree, Google probably will not fix the Now Launcher. We will see how they plan to roll out Google Assistant.

New Google App Update fixes Google Now Launcher, but Nova no longer works the same
There's a new Google App update out. Maybe preparing us for Google Assistant .
It fixes the Google Now Launcher. But now, when clicking "Google" in the search bar on Nova Launcher, instead of Google Now cards opening, it's just a search and nothing more.
After using the Arrow launcher for a bit, I moved to Nova.
I'll stick with Nova for now and added a desktop icon to open Google when I need Google Now cards.

Has anyone received the Google Assistant update on their A2017U?

This past week, I've been reading that Google is pushing "Google Assistant" out, to replace the standard "Ok Google", to a bunch of Marshmallow and Nougat phones.
Has anyone received that yet, or know if the Axon 7 is going to get it soon?

Every phone running Android 6.0+ will receive the update but you already knew that. They are running the roll out as we speak but only for English users in US. English users in Australia, Canada and UK and Germany will soon follow. Rest during the course of the year apparently. So if you are in the US you will likely receive it soon or may already have received an update to the app. Hope this clarifies.

I just got the update a few minutes ago! I'm in northern California.
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I literally just got it a few minutes ago, Northeast US here. It's extremely quick, I'm impressed.

Yep, you guys prompted me to check mine, and I have it too!

I hate it. I use long press for Google Now to search like a hundred times a day. Now it is the Assistant and I see no way of typing my query. So now I have no way to do a search in one step. Anything I can do to get it back the way it was? Or a way to get a text field into Google Assistant?

yes!.. its working for me.. but..
dont know how it started working?
dont know where it the got the update from?
dont know where to check the update?... can someone pls help me find the answer?
use to use the long home press to check screen search.. disabled it today and thought because i disabled it, the assistant got kicked in.
Happy its working now coz the only reason wanted to get the pixel is for the assistant. this is great!

It seems like Google just doesn't want me to have assistant lol
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I can force my phone to set up the Google Assistant, naturally, by removing my account and clearing data from the Google App, Play Services, and Play Store, and then holding the home button > then adding my account. But as soon as I back out of the assistant it goes back to On Tap.

How do you update, is this an upgrade to Google home? Presume this is not available to the Chinese version?

swashybrigand said:
dont know how it started working?
dont know where it the got the update from?
dont know where to check the update?... can someone pls help me find the answer?
use to use the long home press to check screen search.. disabled it today and thought because i disabled it, the assistant got kicked in.
Happy its working now coz the only reason wanted to get the pixel is for the assistant. this is great!
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If you have the correct Google app, you already have Assistant. It just wasn't enabled yet. I don't know exactly how it works, but the app sees that you're on Marshmallow or higher in your build.prop and enables it. I currently have a Nexus 6p and before Google decided to enable it for all phones over 6.0, devs figured out that changing a couple of lines in the build.prop tricked the app to think the phone was a Pixel, thus enabling Assistant.
effluent said:
I hate it. I use long press for Google Now to search like a hundred times a day. Now it is the Assistant and I see no way of typing my query. So now I have no way to do a search in one step. Anything I can do to get it back the way it was? Or a way to get a text field into Google Assistant?
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https://android.gadgethacks.com/how...ndroid-device-switch-back-google-now-0174676/

Howie Dub said:
If you have the correct Google app, you already have Assistant. It just wasn't enabled yet. I don't know exactly how it works, but the app sees that you're on Marshmallow or higher in your build.prop and enables it. I currently have a Nexus 6p and before Google decided to enable it for all phones over 6.0, devs figured out that changing a couple of lines in the build.prop tricked the app to think the phone was a Pixel, thus enabling Assistant.
https://android.gadgethacks.com/how...ndroid-device-switch-back-google-now-0174676/
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I found those instructions weeks ago but I'm not rooted and there's no option to add languages so I'm screwed. The update also made do not disturb mode turn on 24/7 unless I completely disable it. What a load of BS.

effluent said:
I hate it. I use long press for Google Now to search like a hundred times a day. Now it is the Assistant and I see no way of typing my query. So now I have no way to do a search in one step. Anything I can do to get it back the way it was? Or a way to get a text field into Google Assistant?
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I feel your pain bro. I hate this fact. I'm still using the Pixel launcher which has the search widget for text. I find myself going to the home screen to do my Google searches. It's horrible.

Avantiel said:
I feel your pain bro. I hate this fact. I'm still using the Pixel launcher which has the search widget for text. I find myself going to the home screen to do my Google searches. It's horrible.
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I'm using Nova so I set it up so that pressing home (once home) or swiping up on the drawer icon takes me to search. Yeah it really sucks to have to go to the home screen. That damn assistant sucks. It forgets my voice training after awhile too and I have to do it again.

I have on my G version, I don't know for sure, but I got so fed up waiting, I tried changing my language to US, rebooted the phone and bam! Within 10 seconds I had it. Also I had updated to the latest google play services. I had done this a million times but nothing happened until the language change. Coincidence?
Mike