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[Q] Why should I root?

Hey everyone,
I have the EVO 4g, and I'm getting to the point where I'm starting to consider rooting. The risks are a little scary as I would rather not get pooched and have to pay out the butt if something were to happen to my phone. So.. I'm wondering, should I root?
What are the benefits?
What is the best ROM in your opinion? Best for battery and function (meaning, I don't want to have to turn everything off for 30 hours of battery life). I'm currently using Launcher Pro Plus and I love it. Just wondering what my options are and what the XDA community thinks.

Why root.
jamehof said:
Hey everyone,
I have the EVO 4g, and I'm getting to the point where I'm starting to consider rooting. The risks are a little scary as I would rather not get pooched and have to pay out the butt if something were to happen to my phone. So.. I'm wondering, should I root?
What are the benefits?
What is the best ROM in your opinion? Best for battery and function (meaning, I don't want to have to turn everything off for 30 hours of battery life). I'm currently using Launcher Pro Plus and I love it. Just wondering what my options are and what the XDA community thinks.
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Rooting now is very simple, it is no longer a complicated process that will take you 30min. I was in the same mind frame as you before I rooted, but I have to tell you that it was a great thing for me. After seeing the difference between my phone (stock HTC EVO) and my friends rooted EVO (running CM6) I was blown away. Rooting basically gives you complete control to customize you phone. I then rooted my phone and went straight to CM6 (Cyanogen Mod 6). It is fast and has quite a few options that you just cant get without rooting. There are quite a few apps out there that are only available to the rooted phone. I also was not a big fan of sense, or the huge boat load of apps that Sprint had installed on my phone and was able to get rid of them when rooting. The only advice I can really give to you is to explore the XDA Forums, see the benefits of each ROM, and all the words that you dont know, find the definitions for and things will make more sense. There is a lot of nomenclature here. I am currently running Myn's Warm TwoPointTwo RLS1. It is a sense based ROM with a different theme. I hope this was helpful.

Maximiano said:
Rooting now is very simple, it is no longer a complicated process that will take you 30min. I was in the same mind frame as you before I rooted, but I have to tell you that it was a great thing for me. After seeing the difference between my phone (stock HTC EVO) and my friends rooted EVO (running CM6) I was blown away. Rooting basically gives you complete control to customize you phone. I then rooted my phone and went straight to CM6 (Cyanogen Mod 6). It is fast and has quite a few options that you just cant get without rooting. There are quite a few apps out there that are only available to the rooted phone. I also was not a big fan of sense, or the huge boat load of apps that Sprint had installed on my phone and was able to get rid of them when rooting. The only advice I can really give to you is to explore the XDA Forums, see the benefits of each ROM, and all the words that you dont know, find the definitions for and things will make more sense. There is a lot of nomenclature here. I am currently running Myn's Warm TwoPointTwo RLS1. It is a sense based ROM with a different theme. I hope this was helpful.
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Thanks for your response!
I have a couple of questions for you (or anyone else willing to answer):
1) I know rooting voids the warranty, but does unrooting make the warranty functional again? Can they tell that it's been rooted before?
2) I've been reading around and I've seen people simply go to unrevoked on their EVO, then root that way within a few minutes. I've also seen people connect it to their computer, install drivers, etc. Which is best? Are they the same basic principle, but one doesn't take as long?
3) I've been looking at Myn's TPT and I really like it. But I'm wondering how many hours I could get out of the battery using that rom. I'm also wondering what the best way to update that rom (when an update is released) is?
Thanks again! I look forward to getting the ball rolling and getting all the awesome features that my phone should include in the original pricetag!

jamehof said:
2) I've been reading around and I've seen people simply go to unrevoked on their EVO, then root that way within a few minutes. I've also seen people connect it to their computer, install drivers, etc. Which is best? Are they the same basic principle, but one doesn't take as long?
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Rooting with unrevoked is just a simple way of rooting. All the commands are entered for your automatically rather than manually using a comand prompt to flash images etc.

Alright, I did it. Used unrEVOked, and so far so good. I'm sticking with stock 2.2 for now until I can do enough research on quality ROM's.
I do have an additional question though..
I purchased SetCPU, but I've noticed that I can't "overclock" above 998mhz. Why is that? Isn't the processor a 1ghz? I wouldn't really consider that overclocking :-/
How do I get pass that so I can actually overclock it a little?

jamehof said:
Alright, I did it. Used unrEVOked, and so far so good. I'm sticking with stock 2.2 for now until I can do enough research on quality ROM's.
I do have an additional question though..
I purchased SetCPU, but I've noticed that I can't "overclock" above 998mhz. Why is that? Isn't the processor a 1ghz? I wouldn't really consider that overclocking :-/
How do I get pass that so I can actually overclock it a little?
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Only certain kernels allow you to overclock. Most custom ROMs come with custom kernels that allow you to overclock. You can also flash different kernels over a custom ROM. Just make sure that particular kernel is compatible with the ROM you are using.

jamehof said:
Hey everyone,
I have the EVO 4g, and I'm getting to the point where I'm starting to consider rooting. The risks are a little scary as I would rather not get pooched and have to pay out the butt if something were to happen to my phone. So.. I'm wondering, should I root?
What are the benefits?
What is the best ROM in your opinion? Best for battery and function (meaning, I don't want to have to turn everything off for 30 hours of battery life). I'm currently using Launcher Pro Plus and I love it. Just wondering what my options are and what the XDA community thinks.
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Wireless tether is enough of a reason to root for me. Try Ava. If you like Sense, you will love Ava. You will notice it is MUCH faster.

[Q] whats the best order to do things?

BACKGROUND: im pretty new to the android scene. as soon as i was starting to get the hang of WM 6 i decided to see what the android hype was all about. i read several reviews comparing the Dx and DInc and decided imo the Dx was better and my first choice. well 3wks ago i got a great deal on DInc that was already rooted and running 2.2. I played around with it a little while and havent had much time to research it. 2 days ago i got a good deal on a Dx, which was my first choice anyway. its unrooted and running 2.1 (unsure of updates). for the last 2 days ive spent several hours reading up on rooting and 2.2. so far ive found the droid x guide pdf (posted here a few days ago) to be the most informative and best at giving sequential step by step instructions but it hasnt quite answered everything for me....
THE QUESTIONS:
1. probably a dumb question. I havent activated my X yet, is it possible to root or upgrade to 2.2 while the device isnt activated? i havent seen anyone even touch on this subject but im assuming its not possible since i cant even get past the activate screen to change usb modes, activate debugging, or toggle bt/wifi.
2. does it matter if i update to froyo or root first? is it easier if i do one or the other first or would it get the same results? in the mentioned Dx guide it says one click rooting "for 2.2" so my assumption this time is that id have to update to 2.2, and then root.
3. you can ignore this question if youd like cuz i havent even checked into yet but do any of have any suggestions on which ROM/2.2 version/kernals (unsure of real definitions and terminology) would be best for a regular person just looking for stability and to get a little performance boost and remove some bloatware? i know its personal prefrence and probably in 5000 threads already but thought id go ahead and ask since ive already asked the other questions and it would save me lots of time researching. Thanks!
i know i probably answered my own questions but id like to be sure before i start the process. this is my first post and im pretty sure im gonna be bashed for being a noob and will probably be told to use the search function or google it but i have lol. im on several forums and know how the process works. thanks to all of you brainiacs on here for all the help you provide to us not so well educated guys ;-)
Thanks in advance,
Dan

trkin said:
BACKGROUND: im pretty new to the android scene. as soon as i was starting to get the hang of WM 6 i decided to see what the android hype was all about. i read several reviews comparing the Dx and DInc and decided imo the Dx was better and my first choice. well 3wks ago i got a great deal on DInc that was already rooted and running 2.2. I played around with it a little while and havent had much time to research it. 2 days ago i got a good deal on a Dx, which was my first choice anyway. its unrooted and running 2.1 (unsure of updates). for the last 2 days ive spent several hours reading up on rooting and 2.2. so far ive found the droid x guide pdf (posted here a few days ago) to be the most informative and best at giving sequential step by step instructions but it hasnt quite answered everything for me....
THE QUESTIONS:
1. probably a dumb question. I havent activated my X yet, is it possible to root or upgrade to 2.2 while the device isnt activated? i havent seen anyone even touch on this subject but im assuming its not possible since i cant even get past the activate screen to change usb modes, activate debugging, or toggle bt/wifi.
2. does it matter if i update to froyo or root first? is it easier if i do one or the other first or would it get the same results? in the mentioned Dx guide it says one click rooting "for 2.2" so my assumption this time is that id have to update to 2.2, and then root.
3. you can ignore this question if youd like cuz i havent even checked into yet but do any of have any suggestions on which ROM/2.2 version/kernals (unsure of real definitions and terminology) would be best for a regular person just looking for stability and to get a little performance boost and remove some bloatware? i know its personal prefrence and probably in 5000 threads already but thought id go ahead and ask since ive already asked the other questions and it would save me lots of time researching. Thanks!
i know i probably answered my own questions but id like to be sure before i start the process. this is my first post and im pretty sure im gonna be bashed for being a noob and will probably be told to use the search function or google it but i have lol. im on several forums and know how the process works. thanks to all of you brainiacs on here for all the help you provide to us not so well educated guys ;-)
Thanks in advance,
Dan
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1. If you want to get past the first screen touch the 4 corners of the screen in succession starting with top left, top right, bottom right, bottom left (so I have read). If you wanted 2.2 you could use the freshly leaked 2.2 SBF and a program called RSDLite 4.8 (i think is the latest version). I have never performed the SBF before- so I can't say - some say it is a breeze, for others it was a nightmare.
you would search for...
VRZ_MB810_2.3.15_1FF_01
that is the 2.2 SBF
2. If you do want to update and sbf is the only way (once you get the phone activated you would not need to use this rsdlite sbf method. You can just download the update through the system) then root it after you get 2.2
3. As far as roms go- I love rubix1! Awesome. No problems (for me). only thing I had to do was "patch up" the camera to use 8mp. Not hard though. It is a radical departure from the normal x though. you may not like it. If you just want fast and stable stay with the stock set up. People that complain about blur are crazy heads- a lot of useful stuff in blur.
And of coarse - if you do any of this and totally screw up your phone - sorry. Don't take my word for it. Read around and get some confirmation b4 you do anything.

Hey thanks for the tips, advice, and opinions. That's exactly what I was hoping for although I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "if sbf is the only way..... I won't have to use rsdlite sbf..." . I guess ill go ahead and activate tomorrow, try updating through system, and root last. I was just trying to avoid possibly losing my ability to tether temporarily if rooting didn't go as planned because I have no other source for internet. Which reminds me, do I have to get a different tether app afterwards or is it safe using the preinstalled WiFi hotspot or similar preexisting app?
I've read several places that its important to copy a certain file first encase it gets stuck in boot loop. Which file and what directory Is it in? Will I need to get a file explorer app first to get to it? I'm uses to winmo devices that already have a file manager but I know with my Dinc the first thing I was told to do is get astro.

Rooting won't be a problem. Just activate and take whatever updates come your way. Check into the Koush recovery and ROM manager for backups before you play with any ROMs or themes, if you decide to go that way. Titanium Backup and Root Explorer are also essentials in my book.
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Awesome! I activated that next day, updated to official 2.2 and Rooting is simple. Now im wondering why everyone made it sound like brain surgery lol. The hardest and most time consuming step for me was figuring out how to switch usb mode to mass storage. In windows mobile its in settings, android hid it pretty good and hid it right out in the open lol.
After some searching online to find out how to switch usb modes I found the universal super1click method and the page had a link to a youtube video. After watching that video I felt stupid. Before hand I felt like a bomb technician diffusing his first bomb. Even being a noob I rooted my DX within 6-7min after watching it. And most of that time was spent waiting for my laptop to boot up and then download the file. To all you noobs worried about rooting, have confidence, do a search for android super one click root. I think the download was here on xda but I don't think that the page with the video link was on here. From what I understand it work for most android phones. If you are familiar with unzipping a zip file this is a breeze. I am in no way associated with the creators, unfortunately I don't remember their names to give them any credit,this was just my experience.
Now that I've completed the rooting can someone fill me in on tethering? All I need to know is if I can use the tethering and hot spot apps that came on my DX Or do I have to download a different 1? Which 1 are you using And why?
Thanks again for those of you Who contributed to this thread. Next of it looking into those backup methods. If any first timers would like me to walk you through the process I used then shoot me a pm. I'll be happy to help you just like everybody was happy to help me.
OH YEAH! does anybody know of an app or hack to make my screen dimmer? I've got it set as dim as it gets. I work nights mostly in dark places and my screen is so bright it really messes with my night vision.
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As far as the tethering goes im not sure but I believe you can use the one on the phone ....for the screen dimmer you have a power contol widget built in the phone or you can download an app called power control plus ...the app let's you place a widget for each individual control you like whereas the one that comes stock on the phone you are forced to use the whole control panel ..also you may want to look into beautiful widgets its in the market and has a ton of widgets ...hope this helps you!

now that you are rooted (simple wasnt it!) you can use barnicle (available in the market) or "code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/downloads/detail?name=wireless_tether_2_0_5-pre11.apk&can=2&q=" (remove the quotes) -wireless_tether_2_0_5-pre11.apk - I use both and both are hit an miss with devices.. for example, another handheld device wont see it, but my laptop which runs Intel proset wireless sees it..
I am in the same boat as you.. rooting was simple, now I am trying to understand backup's and custom roms.. with blackberry it was easy - with droid there is so much more that can be done, but there is more to learn.
good luck
jim

Gmenfan83, I found a decent screen dimmer in the market right after I made that post.I don't know why I hadnt checked the market before. I guess I had assumed that nobody in their right mind would want their screen even darker thant the manufacturers lowest setting lol. I've already been using the power control widget on the phone but I've found out its only lets you go as low as 15 percent and need it to get way lower. At the same time I really don't want all of the clutter from the advanced widgets with all the options since power control works fine for everything else. I was just looking for something very basic. I did learn something from reading about all of them though. If you use an app to set lower than the systems predetermined lowest setting of 15 percent it will go back to 15 percent when you close the app. So in order to maintain the setting you must leave the dimmer program running in the background. Dimmer, the app I am using now Is almost perfect. You make a shortcut for it and when you click the light bulb it auto dims to ten percent. when you click it again it goes right back to your previous setting even if its set to automatic. The only way it could be improved for my needs would be if you could adjust the value because 10 percent is still too bright. I need it at about 3 percent lmao.
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Awesome app. I tried barnicle yesterday and only had one instance in 3hrs where my connection slowed and stopped. I just stopped and started tether again and it was fine.
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I got titanium backup pro and wow its really useful! I had forgotten to do a factory reset after froyo and rooting and wasexperiencing a few fc, errors and stalled sometimes. I used titanium to back up all my apps sys files and settings. After I did the reset and restored, I used titanium to freeze bloatware. It seems smoother now but got another error last night. 1 other thing, a few of my settings didn't stick when i restored and im wondering if maybe I havent corrected them all because now I have a new sync-like sys icon that is always on my taskbar and it wasn't there before. It doesn't ever do the spin animation and it wont go away. Other threads have said that means background networking enabled but I've changed it and the icons still there. What else could it be?
What should I learn about next? Lol.
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Can anyone shed a little light on launchers? what are the differences, pros and cons, of adw and launcher pro?
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[Q] Be gentle... decided to root, need CURRENT advice

It seems like most of the threads about rooting are from back in July. I want to root my phone. I'm pretty sure I should use the Cyanogen ROM. Should I use stable? Experimental? Nightly? I want 2.2 for sure, beyond that I don't really know what the differences are I should be looking for.
So, using Windows 7 what should I do starting from square one, and in which order should I do it?
I would like the ability to un-root and return to stock, if possible.
Thanks for any helpful replies.

911jason said:
It seems like most of the threads about rooting are from back in July. I want to root my phone. I'm pretty sure I should use the Cyanogen ROM. Should I use stable? Experimental? Nightly? I want 2.2 for sure, beyond that I don't really know what the differences are I should be looking for.
So, using Windows 7 what should I do starting from square one, and in which order should I do it?
I would like the ability to un-root and return to stock, if possible.
Thanks for any helpful replies.
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Thank you posting this in the appropriate sub-forum. Here is a link in the Development sub-forum that explains all of the steps you need to root your Aria and prepare for loading custom ROMs.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=788737
As for a Froyo 2.2 ROM, you have CM 6.0/6.1 or Liberated FRxx Series. The Liberated FR series has the familiar HTC Sense interface that came on your Aria, but it is built on Froyo 2.2 instead 2.1.
Regards,
Tom

Thanks for the reply Tom, although I'm still hesitant. It seems like every thread I've seen with instructions has quite a few posts afterwards from people having issues. The instructions are also usually about as clear as mud. It seems like the people writing the instructions are writing them for people who have rooted in the past, because they use terminology that a new user like me doesn't understand. I have lots of computer experience (used to design websites in the 90's with Notepad - ha!) but I have zero Linux or smartphone experience, so maybe I should just forget the root thing. It's just that I love Photoshop and would really like to be able to use those skills to customize the look of my phone much more than I currently can.

911jason said:
Thanks for the reply Tom, although I'm still hesitant. It seems like every thread I've seen with instructions has quite a few posts afterwards from people having issues. The instructions are also usually about as clear as mud. It seems like the people writing the instructions are writing them for people who have rooted in the past, because they use terminology that a new user like me doesn't understand. I have lots of computer experience (used to design websites in the 90's with Notepad - ha!) but I have zero Linux or smartphone experience, so maybe I should just forget the root thing. It's just that I love Photoshop and would really like to be able to use those skills to customize the look of my phone much more than I currently can.
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you know what I did when i rooted my phone? I watched a youtube video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjgg__m-KHc

911jason said:
Thanks for the reply Tom, although I'm still hesitant. It seems like every thread I've seen with instructions has quite a few posts afterwards from people having issues. The instructions are also usually about as clear as mud. It seems like the people writing the instructions are writing them for people who have rooted in the past, because they use terminology that a new user like me doesn't understand. I have lots of computer experience (used to design websites in the 90's with Notepad - ha!) but I have zero Linux or smartphone experience, so maybe I should just forget the root thing. It's just that I love Photoshop and would really like to be able to use those skills to customize the look of my phone much more than I currently can.
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Well 922jason, I think we are both going through exactly the same thing. I bought my Aria already rooted by the seller, and so I missed out on the learning curve of rooting and the terminologies involved. Think I'm more of a learn it on the job kinda fella and now I have to read all these texts.
Anyway, I just did the most daring thing today. I was running Liberated Aria R12 few hours ago and decided to get hands on. Downloaded FroYo Cyanogen, made nandroid backup (yes it's such a noob thing) & flashed (sounds fancy) Cyanogen. Anyways, I found out that it didn't suit me at all because:
1. I can't find my ALL my installed and backup-ed Apps anywhere
2. The familiar Market isn't anywhere in the phone
3. ALL my contact list are gone
4. I couldn't find any application that lets me access my SD card
5. There were wayyyyy too many options to customize in Cyanogen that gave me a headache instead
Now I realize that the pros would bombard me with comments and advice to sort out those problems, and they certainly would know better what to do than me. But as a new user to Android in the smartphone era, I'm just plain confused.
So I restored the nandroid backup and I'm back to the state before I installed Cyanogen
BUT, I'm not done yet. I'm now downloading Liberated Aria Froyo FR007 and want to try it out. Just don't chicken out at getting hands on with this cos I wanna get the most out of my Aria. So good luck!
The people at XDA are really helpful and you shouldn't worry about getting lost. Thanks guys!

Thanks for the link Zervic, I'll check that out.
I also appreciate the info Emigre, glad to know I'm not the only noob on XDA! =)

Root yet or still having problems?

Noz85 said:
Root yet or still having problems?
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I'm waffling big-time!
I just read through the huge CM6 thread and seeing all those different problems posted gives me the willies. Going to read through the Sense/Froyo thread next and see if it looks any safer.

Dont worry so much with any of the roms here theres a very small chance to brick your phone. If you like how your phone looks now then Liberated is for you. If you want to customize everything them go with CM6.
Your choice but dont over think it lol.
if you need help just ask.

Hey man, I really appreciate that... I like the idea of all the customization possible with CM6, but all of the bug reports in that thread scare the crap out of me.

Thats mostly for the nightly roms. CM6 and CM6.1 RC1 are very stable, I didn't have any major problems with them. Just make sure to fallow all the instructions when installing to avoid any problems with any roms you chose.

Noz85 said:
Thats mostly for the nightly roms. CM6 and CM6.1 RC1 are very stable, I didn't have any major problems with them. Just make sure to fallow all the instructions when installing to avoid any problems with any roms you chose.
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I would agree. Both CM 6.0.2.1 and CM 6.1 RC1 have been very reliable for me. As has been mentioned in other posts, most of the 'bugs' are about the nightly CM builds which are truly 'experimental'.
There are a few caveats with CM 6.x that you won't run into with the Liberated ROMs. Number 1 is read the wiki instructions completely. Once you flash the CM 6 you then need to flash the Google Apps so that you can access the Android Market. Number 2 is that the CM 6.x cannot read any contacts you have stored on your SIM card, so you should export them from the SIM and sync them with your GMAIL account.
Regards,
Tom

Okay, anything I need to set aside for doing this? Will the stock 2gb SD card work fine? How long does the process take, from start to finish?

i too am on the learning curve of all this rooting and whatnot. before i got the aria just this last wednesday i had the hero cdma with Alltel. which apparently was a B* to root and whatnot, cuz alltel isnt popular for devs ive noticed. when i first got the hero it was really new for alltel, and there were people working on the root process. I too get pretty nervous when i read stuff that i could do to my phone but could brick it.. but then i found out about the recovery mode and nandroid backups.. and OMFG they help a lot when you change a setting to be incompatible and get a boot loop. that was VERY often with that hero.
When i found out that i was getting the Aria cuz of the Alltel to AT&T transition, i kept an eye on the aria threads. day one of getting the aria, i plugged it right in running unrevoked and it went real quick, however thats just the root process of course. you havent installed any roms at this point, just got the privileges.
thats when you boot the recovery mode, do that nandroid backup and copy that backup somewhere safe on a computer or something.. then of course after that then you follow the steps for whichever rom you choose that you want.
IMO- i prefer the Liberated series, i had my chance with CM6.1 on the hero and enjoyed it a bit, but got tired of it and went to the Fresh Hero ROM. so since i knew i liked fresh hero, i knew i wanted liberated series, and most especially because its 2.2 FroYo with the HTC Sense UI (the "stock look" that was mentioned earlier)
and to answer your questions:
1. make sure you have the right usb drivers, youll know if you read the tutorials. the nandroid backup would be somewhere between 200-350MB so make sure you have enough free on the sd.
2.the stock 2gb will work just fine. in the future look into upgrading with a class 4 or class 6 speed MicroSD for even better performance.
3.once you get the drivers and software downloaded, the unrevoked root process takes probably around 5 minutes, if that.. it seemed really fast to me. the nandroid backup process will be fast if you dont have many apps installed now. should only take a few minutes as well. im guessing it takes me like 10-15 minutes sometimes cuz of apps and such, (sometimes i lose track of time). then after nandroid, the wipes are like instant, then flashing the rom, (like i said im bad with time sometimes) and i believe that takes about 5-10 minutes.

So it seems like after I root my phone, I should boot back into the stock ROM and download Titanium to back-up my apps and app data. Is this correct? I don't want to lose access to the apps I have purchased. Is that the best way?

the purchased apps you can obviously re-download, but yes. titanium backup is really useful for saving app/app-data. however, if needed, you can always nandroid the custom rom, restore your stock backup and pull info from that, then restore back to the custom.

joachim123 said:
the purchased apps you can obviously re-download
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I have found quite a few threads around the internet about people losing their paid apps after rooting and flashing a custom ROM. Wasn't sure if there was some step I needed to take to ensure that I can retrieve my paid apps. There aren't many, I've only had my phone for a few weeks, but still... I'm cheap!

1. You can use titanium to back up your apps, though that isn't 100% necessary because, as previously mentioned, you can re-download your purchased apps.
2. Once you get the ROM installed (if it happens to be cyanogenmod) you need to also install gapps, which includes the market app. If you don't flash the gapps package, obviously, there will be no market.
3. Keep in mind that if you install CM, there will be no more HTC Sync.
4. If you follow the directions in 1, the video i posted for you or 2, any of the threads that explain this process the possibility for you to brick your phone is slim to none. -- as attn1 said "If you manage to brick your phone with this ROM from there, you are a dumb ass of unimaginable proportions, and I absolve myself of any responsibility whatsoever. "
There were a few other things I wanted to mention but I gotta run...

oh haha, well as far as im concerned, the purchases should be saved in the google database as long as you use the same gmail account to log in to the phone. ive been fine every time. even from goin thru the transition of different cell providers and phones. there is an app that im not sure if its allowed to be posted but ill message a link to you. its helped a lot lately even tho i just found it out like two days ago.

zervic said:
There were a few other things I wanted to mention but I gotta run...
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Oh that's just great... reminds me of the teases for "News at 11 - The critical info you need that could save your life"... meanwhile, it's 4pm, what do I do until 11 to stay alive?!?!

Soon to be new android dhd user

Recently sold my iphone 4, and decide that I might give an android phone a go since I am seeing some fantastic development in this community.
One of the most intriguing yet confusing subject is flashing custom rom, with so many different custom rom around, I was wondering how you guys decide which one to use, consider that there seems to be quite a few excellent ones around? Or its just simply a matter of preference like choosing a theme?
I also very keen to see a custom Gingerbread ROM on DHD, since I have read that 2.3 will never be release for this device most likely, can anyone give me any insight of upcoming a practical version of 2.3 base custom ROM?
Sorry abt asking some many question on my first post
Thanks

I can only give you my two cents regarding my your first question.
personally i've tried Android Revolution and LeeDroid
LeeDroid is fast but i didn't like the custom animation and bootloader(i still want a stock looking phone) so i opted to flask AndroidRevolution so far so good it's fast and has excelent battery life!

I see.
Can you give me an idea how the custom improves the battery life practically? may be some facts/statistics as well?
I notice leeDroid and revolution can overclock the phone CPU as well, is that safe?
BTW, I see this terminology "S-OFF" a lot, what is that?
Thanks for your quick reply

s-off stands for "security off". By default your phones rom memory is read only or "security on". Basically s-off will allow you to read/write to the rom memory and install custom roms etc. There are two types of s-off.
The first is radio s-off which will allow you full read/write access to the flash memory and skips the security check when flashing radios to allow you to downgrade as well as upgrade your radio. This type of s-off is also unable to be removed by flashing an official update. Because it cannot be removed except by deliberate action it is considered a must have. Having said that you cannot actually flash a radio without the second type of s-off.
The second type is engineering hboot s-off which replaces the bootloader itself (like the computers bios) with an enginering version. It is often referred to as simply eng hboot, eng s-off etc. This type of s-off does not allow downgrading of the radio and will be wiped out if you flash an official update to your phone. The advantage of this type of s-off is that you will be able to use fastboot commands from the bootloader. Ironically without fastboot you cannot flash radios so in the end it is reccomended to get both types of s-off.
Personally I use the Leedroid rom with his custom kernel 2.06 and its awesome. I don't have the transition animations. I have also heard good things about ARHD but havent used it since the early days.

franklin20uk said:
I see.
Can you give me an idea how the custom improves the battery life practically? may be some facts/statistics as well?
I notice leeDroid and revolution can overclock the phone CPU as well, is that safe?
BTW, I see this terminology "S-OFF" a lot, what is that?
Thanks for your quick reply
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S-off stands for security off, the htc bootloader comes with certain security measures, to make parts of the nand chip read only! By making the device s-off, you can write to these partitions, letting you flash custom roms, custom recoverys and modify the /system partition.
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You beat me to it mox lol
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Personally I would recommend using CyanogenMod ROM's the CM team put a huge amount of effort into stability so the roms tend to be very usable as a day to day ROM without the bling (and attendent cpu loads) of the fancy UI's ala Sense. Cm6.1.3 is the latest stable release whilst if you want to give gingerbread a whirl try cm7.
BTW although what you say about 2.3 is undoutably true do not worry as I am as sure as can be the dhd will see 2.4 and subsequent releases.

AndroHero said:
You beat me to it mox lol
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Yes of course, i was using a keyboard =)
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I'm not happy to see you, that's a Desire HD in my pocket.

I'm making a guide which should be out tomorrow regarding flashing custom roms.
I, for one, opted for revolution and I love it. It's stockish, it's fast, it's way better, excellent battery life

I just rooted my DHD and would also like to know what rom to get. I would want it to be Gingerbread-like because I like changes. But Android Revolution HD seems so popular, fast etc it makes it really hard to choose. Is there a comparison of those two somewhere? Pros and cons? And which rom has the best performance in games for example?

j3yps said:
LeeDroid is fast but i didn't like the custom animation and bootloader(i still want a stock looking phone) so i opted to flask AndroidRevolution so far so good it's fast and has excelent battery life!
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you must to know that you can change the transitions and opening scene... =o)
to be honest, i stick with what most people flash... the rom is more tested, and even if you are a really unlucky guy and got problems with, it's more easy to get support, and find people with same issue.. =oP it's always nice to think about it when you are a noob, like me! =o)
in the case of leedroid and revolution, i tested both... decide between a bad and a good thing is easy, but decide between two great things is pretty hard, the decision is taken about trivial details. i won't say what i got cause it's pointless... you really should try both (and even more if you don't be satisfied neither! =oP

Sorry for throwing my question here, but I'm just a brand new Android user from tha Wii Modding community (...what?)
What are the disadvantages of rooting your phone? Can you still use the official updates and the market?
Thanks!

The no sense-Revolution HD rom seem to be Gingerbread like.
Let me know how much u getting out of ur battery after you installed the Revolution rom

As I care much about performance, do you happen to know the performance difference between the sense and no-sense ARHD?
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I have another question while I am at it. I was doing some digging around on this forum about sim unlocking DHD.
It seems that is it not possible unless buying the IME unlock code from the network or third party website.
Is that still true?

franklin20uk said:
I have another question while I am at it. I was doing some digging around on this forum about sim unlocking DHD.
It seems that is it not possible unless buying the IME unlock code from the network or third party website.
Is that still true?
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Nope, the one-click easy radio S-off tool will also unlock your phone. Handy tool that.
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Diffler said:
Sorry for throwing my question here, but I'm just a brand new Android user from tha Wii Modding community (...what?)
What are the disadvantages of rooting your phone? Can you still use the official updates and the market?
Thanks!
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The only disadvantage of rooting is that your warranty will be void -but that is easily reversed. You shouldn't flash the official OTA (over the air) updates either - as they will disable your root possibly for a long time, but don't worry , as soon as an official update is released: It will be in ROMS within hours.
Market is unaffected - you can find apps that require root on the market!
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If you decided to root you're phone, Look also @ the MIUI rom.
It brings the best features of IOS,Android and Samsung Bada together in a very stable fast Custom rom!

Ey up fellas. I was gonna start my own thread, but this seems to be just what I was after
Coming from a Dell Streak which is an amazing device, mostly due to the work of DJ Steve for his custom ROMS. But I can't deal with the constant resets and sticking touchscreen, which has nothing to do with the software, its happened since day one. So I've decided a Desire HD is on the cards
The missis has a DZ but I havent put any custom ROM's or s-off'd it, so I'm a newbie in the Desire family area! But I've messed around with the Streak a lot and countless other WinMo 6.5 phones so I should be ok.
One question: I'm getting the DHD second hand. Say the guy who had it before me has updated it OTA to the most recent offical ROM, would this mean that I can't S-Off it? Or is there always a way to get custom ROMs on it etc?

vinokirk said:
One question: I'm getting the DHD second hand. Say the guy who had it before me has updated it OTA to the most recent offical ROM, would this mean that I can't S-Off it? Or is there always a way to get custom ROMs on it etc?
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Thanks vinokirk for bringing this up, this is inevitably one of my upcoming question as well, thou I might be aftering a brand new DHD black edition exclusive to Orange in UK, cause thats just sexy! Regardless this will be one of my concern since the black DHD is a recent release.
Thanks

[Q] Any real benefit in rooting your xoom???

Hey guys I'm just wondering if there is a real benefit to rooting at this point. I'm really pro rooting your devices but I want to see a real benefit to it too.
Am I missing something but as of now I cant really find a real motive to Root my xoom considering also that I will have to do a factory reset and revert to unrooted unlock stock for the LTE upgrade.
Can anyone that has rooted his Xoom give me their feedback on their experience and benefits they found by rooting?
And yes, I know the 1.5 GHz overclock but is that enough?...
Thanks.

Of course, you can play Donkey Kong on it

yankele said:
Hey guys I'm just wondering if there is a real benefit to rooting at this point. I'm really pro rooting your devices but I want to see a real benefit to it too.
Am I missing something but as of now I cant really find a real motive to Root my xoom considering also that I will have to do a factory reset and revert to unrooted unlock stock for the LTE upgrade.
Can anyone that has rooted his Xoom give me their feedback on their experience and benefits they found by rooting?
And yes, I know the 1.5 GHz overclock but is that enough?...
Thanks.
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Motorola has said you do NOT need to unroot your device if you want the 4G upgrade. They said they will still install the modem and try to install the software needed. If the software doesn't work, they will still ship it back to you, but now you have to figure out how get the software to work.
In all likelihood, if you're just rooting so you can install some basic apps. You won't have an issue, but if for some reason you're flashing to different roms, then yes you would have to take a little time to either revert back to stock, or get it back and figure out how to install the modem software yourself.

if your asking this question then must not have done enough research or you shouldnt even bother attempting to root

I have done a lot of research and every day go to xoom android development to keep up to date with whats happening but I wanted to ask people who rooted already what are their experience with it.
As of now there is no custom ROM but there is a kernel and a few boot screens but and the overcloking but I from the outside IDK what are people experiencing on a rooted xoom that makes a lot of difference from my non rooted one.
And I may not have a lot of posts in the forums but even tho I'm no expert I'm not a complete stranger to rooting.

If you are so talented in rooting, you should already be aware of the benefits. If what you see in the development section isn't enough to satisfy you then simply don't do it.
Rooting opens doors to custom system-level themes, custom ROMs, root required apps, custom kernels, and so forth. Obviously you know this much and half of it isn't available on the Xoom at the time. It may just not be worth it.

Eclair~ said:
If you are so talented in rooting, you should already be aware of the benefits. If what you see in the development section isn't enough to satisfy you then simply don't do it.
Rooting opens doors to custom system-level themes, custom ROMs, root required apps, custom kernels, and so forth. Obviously you know this much and half of it isn't available on the Xoom at the time. It may just not be worth it.
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^^^ Exactly what i was trying to imply well put ^^^

Eclair~ said:
If you are so talented in rooting, you should already be aware of the benefits. If what you see in the development section isn't enough to satisfy you then simply don't do it.
Rooting opens doors to custom system-level themes, custom ROMs, root required apps, custom kernels, and so forth. Obviously you know this much and half of it isn't available on the Xoom at the time. It may just not be worth it.
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He didn't say that he was a pro "at" rooting devices, rather he was pro rooting devices (ie. He's generally in support of the idea).
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I'm no rooting expert, or anything close to that title.
Thanks for your response, and yes, I agree with you about the fact that many of the features that we enjoyed in our phones being rooted are still not working for HC.
That's why I was asking if there is anything that I will like and that I'm missing at this point being that I enjoy other devs work but I'm not able to develop on my own.
Anyways I think maybe rooting may not be for me at this point, but I'm really looking forward for something worth rooting my $800 toy!
Thanks

gigglebox said:
He didn't say that he was a pro "at" rooting devices, rather he was pro rooting devices (ie. He's generally in support of the idea).
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That is correct, I missed that part in my previous response.
Thank you!

I finally rooted my evo to freely tether my xoom! But no, I havent seen a compelling reason to root the xoom yet, with so many expected critical software updates coming in the future (4g, flash, sd card) I'll personally wait a bit until at least the sd card update is pushed (fingers crossed)

hi_its_ryan said:
But no, I havent seen a compelling reason to root the xoom yet, with so many expected critical software updates coming in the future (4g, flash, sd card) I'll personally wait a bit until at least the sd card update is pushed (fingers crossed)
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This is my exact feelings. I'm waiting for the Xoom to become the device it's supposed to be before I get too into tinkering with it. Eventually I will go the rooting route, but not quite yet.

That is what I needed to hear, from normal people like me that had rooted already.
I guess if would have a data plan with vzw it would make more sense to root now but since I don't, and there is not a custom rom and I'll have to revert to stock if I want the software update when I send my xoom for the LTE upgrade, I'm not gonna be rooting yet all tho I'm dying to root, or maybe I'll root just for the fun of it because anyways I flash a new rom almost every week or twice a week so the reverting to stock may not be any harder to do.
I'll see....
Thanks for your feedback guys!
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hi_its_ryan said:
I finally rooted my evo to freely tether my xoom! But no, I havent seen a compelling reason to root the xoom yet, with so many expected critical software updates coming in the future (4g, flash, sd card) I'll personally wait a bit until at least the sd card update is pushed (fingers crossed)
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You're still able to get those updates even while being rooted. You won't however, once you choose to install a custom rom on it... made possible by rooting.

Can someone just help the Guy/Girl?
come on now. It seems like everyother thread has someone saying "If you know so much blah blah" We all know he doesn't know, which is the point of his thread. To Learn.
You don't need to come in here and try to insult him/her and tell em that if they don't know they don't need to bother rooting, etc.
If you have rooted, What have you done with your device that would make a knowledgeable end user want to root? Thats all he wants to know.
I wish I could help, but this Xoom is my first android device.
I am looking forward to rooting for my first time, and playing with everything, but personally I am just going to wait till after the LTE upgrade just to save myself a headache.
Maybe someone could help me with this question. Since after rooting/flashing ROMs might cause Moto's software for the 4g Radio to work improperly, does that mean if I wait till after the LTE upgrade, rooting/flashing might cause the Radio to not work?
Or is it somehow, once the software is on there, changing the ROMs and Permissions won't affect the Radio?

yankele said:
That is what I needed to hear, from normal people like me that had rooted already.
I guess if would have a data plan with vzw it would make more sense to root now but since I don't, and there is not a custom rom and I'll have to revert to stock if I want the software update when I send my xoom for the LTE upgrade, I'm not gonna be rooting yet all tho I'm dying to root, or maybe I'll root just for the fun of it because anyways I flash a new rom almost every week or twice a week so the reverting to stock may not be any harder to do.
I'll see....
Thanks for your feedback guys!
Sent from my HTC EVO running MYN's WARM Z using the XDA app.
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Did you not read the third post of this thread? It doesn't matter if you root the device or not, You'll get the 4G update. However if you're running a custom rom, they might not be able to install the software for the modem, in which case, you need to do it yourself. If you keep the stock rom and stay rooted, I doubt you would have any problems.

The third post in no way answers his question. Nor do the posts to "research." Don't be a ****, either answer the question or ignore it. The question is a reasonable one and posted in general.
In my opinion right now there is not a need to root right now unless:
-you want to deploy a custom Tom
-you want to overclock
-you want to customize the default rom. .. I.e. remove default applications such as the games, replace system files for turning purposes, etc...
-you want to run an application that requires root.
Until you have a desire or need that requires root there is no need to root the device. If you do root though Motorola seems (as stated in post 3) willing to upgrade the device at a minimum. So fear of ineligibility for the upgrade should not be a deterrent to upgrading.
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JayBeezy802 said:
Did you not read the third post of this thread? It doesn't matter if you root the device or not, You'll get the 4G update. However if you're running a custom rom, they might not be able to install the software for the modem, in which case, you need to do it yourself. If you keep the stock rom and stay rooted, I doubt you would have any problems.
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I did read it but if you read my post I'm acknowledging that my device will get the LTE upgrade no matter what, but I don't want to take the risk to not be able to get the software upgrade just because they see my xoom is unlocked and rooted.
If you read the Motorola moderator in that forum he says more or less that if you are rooted pretty much don't get the software... and you know they could use any kind of excuses to not do it.
But still I might root just for the fun of it and going back to stock just to ne safe and not have to look for the freacking thing myself.
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yankele said:
Hey guys I'm just wondering if there is a real benefit to rooting at this point. I'm really pro rooting your devices but I want to see a real benefit to it too.
Am I missing something but as of now I cant really find a real motive to Root my xoom considering also that I will have to do a factory reset and revert to unrooted unlock stock for the LTE upgrade.
Can anyone that has rooted his Xoom give me their feedback on their experience and benefits they found by rooting?
And yes, I know the 1.5 GHz overclock but is that enough?...
Thanks.
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My main motive is nothing more than having the capability of defying the machine/syztem

I rooted and OC'd with both BidDogs and Koush's kernels.
I had reboot issues with both (not complaining here). Had it OC'd for about 4 days, tried BD update this morning and still did the reboot thing (sometimes several times an hour). MOST peoples OC seems to be wokring well.
Other then that, while rooted I didn't really do much other then poke around as su in the file system.
This morning i flashed back using the SFB file. I will try to root it again and OC if my xoom remains solid for the next day...maybe i did one of the steps wrong somewhere.
So to finally answer your question, I had a awsome time rooting/OC'ing and learned quite a bit doing so!