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First of all lets not turn this into a war of the mobile OS's....Everyone has their own oppinions and needs, which is why there will NEVER be a definitive answer to the Question: Which is better, WinMo or Android? So please dont start flamewars or fanboy arguments in this thread.
The purpose of this poll is to determine how many of you will be 'switching' to Android on a pemanent basis, and how many of you will be sticking with Windows Mobile in some capacity.
I ask this because originally when I first tested Android, I envisaged myself sticking with Windows Mobile when a flashable Android ROM was released.
Then as great progress began to be made with the AndroidHD2 development, I began to think that windows was dead to me and I eagerly awaited the NAND version of Android.
Now I am beginning to think that I might stick with a dual boot option even when the NAND version comes. Ideally I would like to have Android as my flashed ROM with a version of WM 6.5.x running from SD as a dual boot option.
So... When the NAND Flashable version of Android for HD2 comes...What will you do?
(I know this should be in the 'General HD2 Android' section but there isn't one...yet. Mods, please move when possible).
I like the widgets and backgrounds, android is just so much easier.
But for tomtom, I'll still be using my winmo. Some stuff just req windows to function.
So, best of both worlds, I guess..
If i can still retain WinMo then sure, why not... but if it's not possible then i'll stick to the Micro SD card. I wouldn't want to give up my ability to dual boot.
The Android builds are fast enough anyways on the card and i'm sure a class 6 Micro SD will be faster than the NAND anyways.
As well as in PCs, having dual boot means you can use both OSes Apps. So I will stick to dual boot.
I plan on buying the next big android phone tmobile and htc come up with (and i have a nexus one), so my hope for the hd2 is flashing wp7. I dont know if you nand flash if you would be able to flash wp7 if there are gonna be wp7 roms.
ANDROID: NAND
WINMO:SD card
Ubuntu: SD card
iOS4: SD card
and I wish having a new bootloader possible to select before splashscreen.
Cheer!
THANHVO31 said:
ANDROID: NAND
WINMO:SD card
Ubuntu: SD card
iOS4: SD card
and I wish having a new bootloader possible to select before splashscreen.
Cheer!
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Now THATS what Im talkin about!
Even the iOS4 might make it onto my card if a version was ever released for HD2...one more app store cant hurt
Here's the thing
If we flash Android to nand, will there be any going back? Will there ever be updates to future versions of android? This is the primary thing to me, if the dev's will continue to upgrade Android for future versions then I might flash, but if it's kind of a one and done, I'd probably stick with dual booting. I'm also hoping that there is eventually a wp7 port for the hd2 as well...
I'm thinking if it's worth investing in a class 6 card to keep dualboot, what do u guys think about the performance difference between NAND and Class 6?
HectiQ said:
I like the widgets and backgrounds, android is just so much easier.
But for tomtom, I'll still be using my winmo. Some stuff just req windows to function.
So, best of both worlds, I guess..
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same for me, the other gps software are.... not as good and easy as tomtom.
I will use Winmo for tomtom only and the rest on android
maybe tomtom release a android version
THANHVO31 said:
ANDROID: NAND
WINMO:SD card
Ubuntu: SD card
iOS4: SD card
and I wish having a new bootloader possible to select before splashscreen.
Cheer!
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Would it ever be possible to have iOS on a hd2? That would be great for all the extra apps.
I am happy with Android on SD card and dual booting.
I prefer the functionality of a dual boot, but in appealability I would much prefer to run Android as a day to day phone when the nand is finally ported. But I wouldn't jump in feet first,I'd hope that it was totally reversible and not flash back & forth,just that winmo could stay as an option to return to. And that the devs can continue to feed us with fresher versions when they become available.
umiss said:
I'm thinking if it's worth investing in a class 6 card to keep dualboot, what do u guys think about the performance difference between NAND and Class 6?
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And I'm thinking there is a different thread on that subject
i prefer winmo over the android , im returning to winmo , its just my openion :!
Bye bye winmo
The only thing that winmo is doing in my phone right now is to help me to run haret.
sure i would flash it, just to satisfy my curiosity, but i would eventually stick with dual booting winmo and android on SD.
NAND is so close....the Devs are finishing the structure port...them is a question of work to give the polish in all.
today the dev work is located on leds notification.
were is the status thread?
for the poll, I will make what turns more eficient the performance of Android....including the question of baterie life, very important.
pack21 said:
NAND is so close....the Devs are finishing the structure port...them is a question of work to give the polish in all.
today the dev work is located on leds notification.
were is the status thread?
for the poll, I will make what turns more eficient the performance of Android....including the question of baterie life, very important.
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This is great news! i really do start reading the dev channel logs to keep up to date
triple booting
i am sticking with triplebooting android ,ubuntu,winmo.i am using a class 4 card and the speed is great,moving up to class 6 .my hd2 with android scores better than my brothers evo on linpack,and quadrant.
At the moment I will stay on dual boot. Cant wait for a really stable Android for HD2 If we can get TomTom or iGO8 on Android then i will go with it on NAND.
Hi All,
Can we use the System.img released with NAND roms as an SD build?
I see many nice builds released right now for NAND, and a decrease in SD builds. I prefer to use SD based builds -> any solution?
--summoner
summoner said:
Hi All,
Can we use the System.img released with NAND roms as an SD build?
I see many nice builds released right now for NAND, and a decrease in SD builds. I prefer to use SD based builds -> any solution?
--summoner
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There is a decrease because the NAND versions are so darn perfect and solid. I am assuming you want to continue with SD versions to keep WM 6.5 as a dual boot option? If not, then just do a NAND flash and use your SD card for what it was intended for, mass storage! NAND is the way to go, SD card is so last year! Lol!
I've actually been searching for the last couple of days for the complete opposite, converting a sd version to a nand. Already found the wonderful world of nand converting to cwm.
i would like to stick with sd version as i still havent found a fully satisfied version...i am wondering does nand will work way better and stable than sd version? because im keep changing different build to test which one is the best one out of them.
Its a matter of opinion, you have to at least have a base of what your looking for, for example, I like sense builds, not many are out there, but I try them, they all have their pros and cons, its what you can live with and what you cant. Or as many have said, make your own. I got into doing that with WinMo when I didnt like much of the builds out there. Now I may just read up on seeing about making my own build for myself.
But in short, have a base of what your looking for and go from there.
i tried to extract the system.img and put the files into a generated system.ext2, the process was successful, but the system.ext2 wont boot, it kept rebooting.
maybe there's another way to do this
Thanks for all the replies!
1. I like having both Winmo and Android although I do currently use Android more
2. I Am sure NAND builds are super-best-good-times, but I like flashing to have the latest and greatest and find it a big benefit to have WinMo at the backseat
3. Any success with this? are the kernels released for NAND compatible with SD?
It seems that most builds and work is on NAND builds I hope SD and RAM builds (which I think are the best of all worlds) won't be abandoned.
--summoner
I am also interested in this
I am also interested in doing this. I need to still have my WinMo 6.5 so I can sync my work schedule (ANDROID is NOT supported or allowed) and I have notice a significant Lag in the GPS apps I have tried (IGO, and Aura) on a NAND ROM. If any chef has the time to walk me through it I would greatly appreciate it.
I'm using WP7 and duel boot with Android on SD, I will be returning to Android Nand as my main OS, but I will still test Android SD builds booting from Magldr. The SD forum has slowed down, so I would like to convert nand to sd also. Hopefully someone will find a solution soon. Why not have the best of both. When Magdlr 1.13 comes out, there will proberbly be more interest in this area.
i would also like to do this. because there is some nand roms i would like to convert for my personal use. please someone point us in the right direction.
ok im new and a friend of mind had a sd android on my hd2 now i want the realthing in nand how do i do this, sorry but my friend who did this for me in the begining past away so now im trying (rip gary)
phonegod said:
ok im new and a friend of mind had a sd android on my hd2 now i want the realthing in nand how do i do this, sorry but my friend who did this for me in the begining past away so now im trying (rip gary)
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=893948
this helped me
I, too, am interested in such a conversion (NAND ROM to SD ROM).
If there is not already an app, there will be. After all, this is XDA.
Actually guys.. you should have used the search box!
Here's a way to do that
Hello xdadevs,
i have a question, is it possible to have win6.5 and win7.0 installed on a HTC HD2?
for example win6.5 on device and win7.0 on SD card?
i tried to find some info in the current threads but didnt find anything
thank you in advance
Hello.
It's not possible yet (maybe in future...?). Those are your posibilities:
- Windows Mobile from NAND (stock).
- WM6.5 in NAND, Android from SD Card.
- Android from NAND (no WM).
- Windows Phone 7 in NAND.
- Windows Phone 7 in NAND, Android from SD Card.
There are also other choices like WM in NAND and Ubuntu from sdcard (via HaRET.exe), but those are most popular.
Cotulla said that he is working on a SD version of WM6.5, so if that gets released, you have have wp7 on NAND and WM65 on SD... but it may be a while before that gets released.
thank u so much ppl, ill be in touch with forum to check cotulla's progress
ps:zarathustrax r we ...somehow related ? hehehe (your nick)
zarras said:
thank u so much ppl, ill be in touch with forum to check cotulla's progress
ps:zarathustrax r we ...somehow related ? hehehe (your nick)
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LOL... yeah, the first 3 letters are the same. I took my nick from Nietszche's book, which I read a lot in my youth... then just added an X. Don't remember exactly why... I think I was going for something like Zarathustra-X, but didn't separate the X or capitalize it. I don't know exactly what I was thinking at the time... it was a few years ago.
As far as progress about WM65 for SD, cotulla probably won't give updates on progress... probably will just release it suddenly when it's done... if it even works out and he finishes it. It's probably not a high priority for him with all the other projects he's working on, especially now that he's working on magldr for the Rhodium, too. Hopefully we'll see it in the next few months though. I look forward to tribooting wp7, android and WM65.
Android + WM on NAND
Hi
is possible to have Android **and** WM on Nand ???
OrsoNerOne said:
Hi
is possible to have Android **and** WM on Nand ???
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No you can only have one OS at a time in NAND. One because of limited space in NAND and to you would have to parition it even if you did have enough space and I do not think you can partition the NAND memory of a device as it is not like a actual hard drive or SD card.
hi all,
what is difference and benefit between RAM, SD, NAND installation ?
please leave your feedback and experience here..
James
Well here is a quick run down. I use a SD build myself.
Ok Andriod from SD card and RAM is kind of one in the same. You have to copy both versions to your SD card and run CLRCAD and HARET to boot them. But the SD builds run strickly from the SD card, were as the RAM versions place certain vitaile parts of the Android system in the RAM of your phone the first time you boot it, there for taking a little less time to boot but to be honest I don't think there is much difference between them as far as speed and usability. They both also have little hiccups with every build, but nothing that can not be lived with though,I mean after all we all have had to tolerate Windows Mobile Also this is the safest method to run Andriod on hour HD2.
Now NAND is a whole nother ball game. A NAND Andriod Rom will wipe Windows Mobile from your phone. This will let it boot straight into Andriod just like it if it would have came on the phone. They say everything works on the NAND builds and that they are super fast. But NAND takes a lot more time to install and to research before installing. You have a process of having to install HSPL 2.08, MAGLDR 1.13, and then flash your Andriod ROM.
A lot of people love NAND and say they will never go back. But others (like myself) like the SD/RAM builds cause it allows you to dual boot wich is awsome. Hope this helps
Just please read the sticky treats. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=931192 and http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905841
Both at the first post in the treats
Just to add that ram is no longer synonimous with SD builds, many nand builds load parts into ram at boot. The benefits being a somewhat improved load time for apps, but as in post 2 that's fairly negligable, but what does help is that the framework is in ram too so you tend to get smoother menus,transitions and such.
ram isn't a build type in the way nand and SD are, you choose SD or nand, then with ramdisk tweaks or without. Some ram builds go all the way and load everything into ram, some just a few key parts.but they all start on SD or nand.
T-Macgnolia said:
Well here is a quick run down. I use a SD build myself.
But NAND takes a lot more time to install and to research before installing. You have a process of having to install HSPL 2.08, MAGLDR 1.13, and then flash your Andriod ROM.
A lot of people love NAND and say they will never go back. But others (like myself) like the SD/RAM builds cause it allows you to dual boot wich is awsome. Hope this helps
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hi T-Macgnolia,
That is what I worry about... I afraid that i do the wrong thing with NAND and make my htc hd2 became to bricked stone... he he he....
That why i still in SD version, but SD build of htc hd2 alway problem with camera or CamCorder also better also.
Mine is HTC HD Tombile Leo 1024mb running the [18.11.10]|MDJ FroYo Sense Clean v. 2.4 [kernel: MDJ S6.1]
it always problem with battery and camcorder.
James
jame_2d said:
hi T-Macgnolia,
That is what I worry about... I afraid that i do the wrong thing with NAND and make my htc hd2 became to bricked stone... he he he....
That why i still in SD version, but SD build of htc hd2 alway problem with camera or CamCorder also better also.
Mine is HTC HD Tombile Leo 1024mb running the [18.11.10]|MDJ FroYo Sense Clean v. 2.4 [kernel: MDJ S6.1]
it always problem with battery and camcorder.
James
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I understand your fear of bricking your HD2. With the T-Mobile HD2 you have to make sure you do not flash a wrong radio to it. The T-Mobile HD2 is not like the EU HD2 you can not flash just any ole radio to it. A wrong radio flash on a TMOUS HD2 (T-Mobile HD2) will end in a bricked phone everytime. This is a simple way to tell if the radio you want to flash are the radio in a ROM is compatible radio for your TMOUS HD2.
If it has a 50 in the third set of numbers it is a TMOUS radio. Example: 2.15.50.14 notice the 50
If it has a 51 in the third set of numbers it is not a TMOUS radio.
The only exeptions to this rule are radios like this 2.04.50.xx or 2.05.50.xx they will brick your HD2.
Other then that just make sure you have at least 50% battery charge befor you start a flash and that once you start a flash do not so much as touch you HD2 or let the USB cable become disconnected some how as this might result in a bricked phone too.
Hope this helps you out.
jame_2d said:
hi T-Macgnolia,
That is what I worry about... I afraid that i do the wrong thing with NAND and make my htc hd2 became to bricked stone... he he he....
That why i still in SD version, but SD build of htc hd2 alway problem with camera or CamCorder also better also.
Mine is HTC HD Tombile Leo 1024mb running the [18.11.10]|MDJ FroYo Sense Clean v. 2.4 [kernel: MDJ S6.1]
it always problem with battery and camcorder.
James
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That's a pretty old android build you're using, there... that may be why you're having problems with camera. This have progressed quickly with android... newer SD builds work great and have performance and battery life about the same as NAND builds. Try using a newer build... it will probably work a LOT better.
Please
zarathustrax said:
That's a pretty old android build you're using, there... that may be why you're having problems with camera. This have progressed quickly with android... newer SD builds work great and have performance and battery life about the same as NAND builds. Try using a newer build... it will probably work a LOT better.
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hi all friends,
Would you please recommend the good build of SD of T-Mobile HD2 that working
with Real 5MP of camera and Real Camcorder ?
Please feedback me ..
James
Hi guys! I need an advice both from Windows and Android users.
I used to run Gingerbread on my Leo (NexusHD2 by Tytung) with nativeSD, and I didn't update to ICS or JB because I didn't want it to become laggy (I suppose they are heavier than GB).
Yesterday, my sdcard got broken (actually it became write-protected for no reason on earth, and I couldn't find any way to unlock it or format it, even though I tried with every solution I found on the internet), so I just bought a new one, which will arrive tomorrow; I've read on xda that class4 Sandisk cards are the best ones for smartphones, because they have a higher random speed, whereas class6 and class10 have higher sequential speed but lower random speed. So I bought a 32GB Sandisk class4.
ANDROID PART
1) Now, given that card, do you think I will be able to run smoothly Jellybean (if I find a good stable ROM)? Or do you think it is just too heavy? (If I'm not mistaken ICS, JB, Kitkat are all optimized for multi-core CPUs, and we have a single core with relatively low ram...)
2) If you think I can update to JB without having lags as soon as I install a few apps, would you recommend me a good, stable and fast nativeSD ROM? I'm looking for something very basic, without built-in apps or other crap, I just want the simple, original OS and I will install apps that I need later.
WINDOWS PHONE PART
Since I'll have plenty of space now, with 32GB, I thought to give Windows Phone a shot, since I use Windows 8 on my laptop and I've been told that WP is a very light and not power-demanding OS.
So my idea is a dual boot through nativeSD with Android as favourite OS (since it's the one I'm used to) and WP as second OS, to see if it can fit my needs.
Could you recommend me a good, stable and fast nativeSD ROM? I'm looking for something very basic, without built-in apps or other crap, I just want the simple, original OS and I will install apps that I need later. Besides, is there a stable WP8 for HD2 or just WP7?
Thank you very much for any help. I hope to come to a decision today because tomorrow I'll get the new sdcard and I want to do ll the flashing in one time, without having to repartition the sdcard later
hi
i dual booted my hd2 a while ago.
if u want my opinion, windows phone will not come in use.
but! i still have it on my phone.
i use hd2o as winphone and tytung's nexusHD2 v2.7 (android 4.2.2) as nativeSD android. (i have a 16gb toshiba class 4 microsd card)
there is no winphone 8 available so far, and since DFT and a lot of developers are no longer supporting HD2, i dont think it will be available ever!
A lot of people use pedijamas winphone and say its awesome, but i haven't, and i have no time to switch.
kitkat is still beta, and some features do not work. A few days ago I installed nexusHD2 v3.3 (android 4.3) on my friends phone (nand, CLK sandisk 8gb class 10) and it was great.
but!!!!
my android is not that good. its slow and laggy.
conclusion:
1. Do not install winphone and magldr. instead install CLK and android (nexusHD2 is great, i think v2.7 is still better than v3.3)
2. Install winphone, and android. (i suggest install a few androids and see which one works better, i think 2.3.3 will be better though)
3. Install winphone alone, its fast, and by fast, i mean like FAAAST! but, its not android, so apps and ui will make u sick after a while! :S
hamid_valad said:
hi
i dual booted my hd2 a while ago.
if u want my opinion, windows phone will not come in use.
but! i still have it on my phone.
i use hd2o as winphone and tytung's nexusHD2 v2.7 (android 4.2.2) as nativeSD android. (i have a 16gb toshiba class 4 microsd card)
there is no winphone 8 available so far, and since DFT and a lot of developers are no longer supporting HD2, i dont think it will be available ever!
A lot of people use pedijamas winphone and say its awesome, but i haven't, and i have no time to switch.
kitkat is still beta, and some features do not work. A few days ago I installed nexusHD2 v3.3 (android 4.3) on my friends phone (nand, CLK sandisk 8gb class 10) and it was great.
but!!!!
my android is not that good. its slow and laggy.
conclusion:
1. Do not install winphone and magldr. instead install CLK and android (nexusHD2 is great, i think v2.7 is still better than v3.3)
2. Install winphone, and android. (i suggest install a few androids and see which one works better, i think 2.3.3 will be better though)
3. Install winphone alone, its fast, and by fast, i mean like FAAAST! but, its not android, so apps and ui will make u sick after a while! :S
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Thank you for the reply! A few questions:
1a. In Tytung's v3.3, are the WiFi and 3G/HSPDA traffic indicator arrows in the status bar still not working or did he fix them?
1b. Why not magldr? I thought it would be better since it allows to "unlock" the 576MB RAM in EU HD2s (and I see that Tytung himself uses magldr )
2. Is WinPhone available just in NAND? No nativeSD ROMs?
alfling said:
Thank you for the reply! A few questions:
1a. In Tytung's v3.3, are the WiFi and 3G/HSPDA traffic indicator arrows in the status bar still not working or did he fix them?
1b. Why not magldr? I thought it would be better since it allows to "unlock" the 576MB RAM in EU HD2s (and I see that Tytung himself uses magldr )
2. Is WinPhone available just in NAND? No nativeSD ROMs?
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1a: i'm not sure, since i use nexushd2 v2.7, and it works just fine. (also i don't think its a big deal! i never noticed those arrows!)
1b: i dont know how did you find out that tytung uses magldr!!!! i my self use magldr, its great. but i believe if you just want to use android, CLK is a better option. new roms (4.2.2, 4.3, 4.4) wont fit on nand, so you have to make an ext4 partition and put your data on sd. just your system partition goes to nand, so i think it doesn't make any difference to unlock 576MB RAM. and also i don't know if CLK unlocks it or not! (sorry for my lack of info!)
2: i know this one!!!! )
nope, WinPhone is just available on nand, sadly!
hamid_valad said:
1a: i'm not sure, since i use nexushd2 v2.7, and it works just fine. (also i don't think its a big deal! i never noticed those arrows!)
1b: i dont know how did you find out that tytung uses magldr!!!! i my self use magldr, its great. but i believe if you just want to use android, CLK is a better option. new roms (4.2.2, 4.3, 4.4) wont fit on nand, so you have to make an ext4 partition and put your data on sd. just your system partition goes to nand, so i think it doesn't make any difference to unlock 576MB RAM. and also i don't know if CLK unlocks it or not! (sorry for my lack of info!)
2: i know this one!!!! )
nope, WinPhone is just available on nand, sadly!
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Thanks again! Eventually I asked directly to Tytung and he answered me that it was just an aesthetic thing and the he wouldn't fix it because Google themself removed them in the following versions. I installed the v3.3 and so far it's GREAT (like every Tytung's work)!
I guess he's using MAGLDR from what he writes at the end of his threads, but it's just a guess. Anyway, I'm forced to use nativeSD because some time ago I had continuous crashes even after Task29 and fresh install of Tytung ROMS, so I guess I have some bad blocks in my NAND after 4 years of heavy usage. I hoped to give WP a shot because I've read it's blazing fast, but I'll be happy with my JB 4.3 CM 10.2 :laugh:
alfling said:
Thanks again! Eventually I asked directly to Tytung and he answered me that it was just an aesthetic thing and the he wouldn't fix it because Google themself removed them in the following versions. I installed the v3.3 and so far it's GREAT (like every Tytung's work)!
I guess he's using MAGLDR from what he writes at the end of his threads, but it's just a guess. Anyway, I'm forced to use nativeSD because some time ago I had continuous crashes even after Task29 and fresh install of Tytung ROMS, so I guess I have some bad blocks in my NAND after 4 years of heavy usage. I hoped to give WP a shot because I've read it's blazing fast, but I'll be happy with my JB 4.3 CM 10.2 :laugh:
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see, nexusHD2 is still awesome!
lucky me! i never had any problem with my nand!
if you have to use nativesd, it makes no difference if u use magldr or clk.
if you want to install WP, you have to install MAGLDR, but the problem is that it will wipe your sd and partition it to an unknown partition type. so back up your data before ding so!
have fun.
if i helped, i'm glad!
hamid_valad said:
see, nexusHD2 is still awesome!
lucky me! i never had any problem with my nand!
if you have to use nativesd, it makes no difference if u use magldr or clk.
if you want to install WP, you have to install MAGLDR, but the problem is that it will wipe your sd and partition it to an unknown partition type. so back up your data before ding so!
have fun.
if i helped, i'm glad!
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You've helped me a lot! Thanks!