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I looked at the supposed two devices for project emerald slated to be released next month the specs are not anything that amazing... the vibrant more than holds it own. However the fact that the devices will be hspda+ or whatever it is called makes me want to return my vibrant amd wait. What do you all think?
The 'G2' (the replacement for the G1) is supposed to be a 'Google Experience' (run stock Android). That's supposedly launching September 9th. So, that's pretty neat. It's said to basically be a Nexus One with a sliding keyboard (the often rumored 'Nexus Two'). The Snapdragon core is rumored to be underclocked to 800MHz (in test hardware), but that would be silly to take to market at this point. The device is also supposed to have a front-facing camera.
I'm interested in such a device, as it will soon be the only stock Android device being sold in the US market (Droid is end-of-life and Nexus One isn't sold to consumers anymore). It will be nice to see frequent updates, and stock 3.0 when it comes out.
One would like to see some beefier specs on such a phone, but what can you do? HTC seems to be building every phone with the same Snapdragon core.
The second phone is basically an HTC Desire HD (4.3") with T-Mo's custom Sense rom ('Genius' button and so forth). I'm not too interested in that heavy customization of Android.
If I had to choose, I'd take the Vibrant with a fixed GPS and Compass. If the issues were never addressed, the G2 would probably be my next phone.
Samsungs hardware trumps anything htc is putting out anytime soon... and im a htc fanboy....
But if i had hspa around here getting 15-20 down, yeah kinda hard to say no to that...
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What exactly is HSDPA +? My phone shows it as the network type already so why is everyone so excited about the two newest phones having it if my vibrant and I'm assuming other peoples does as well?
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HSPA+ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolved_HSPA
Knowing these phones were coming made keeping my Vibrant a tough decision. I figure if I really want one of these phones I'll just sell the Vibrant and buy one at full price. I'd prefer an HTC phone, but the 4.3 in. screen makes me wonder about the battery life. I think the 4 in. on the Vibrant is a pretty good compromise and I've been really happy with how long this thing holds a charge.
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What exactly is HSDPA +? My phone shows it as the network type already so why is everyone so excited about the two newest phones having it if my vibrant and I'm assuming other peoples does as well?
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Your says hsdpa . High speed download package access. Wich is part of hspa . I'm wrong on these numbers but say hspa does 10mbps download a second.. hspa+ will give ya 21mbps...
So hspa+ is faster than our hspa... but I never Max out on hspa to even want +....
believe your's shows, same as mine, HSDPA which is theoretically good for up to 7.2 Mbps download speed - that's theoretical, actual download speed will be less
HSDPA+, iirc, is supposed to be good for theoretically 21 Mbps
i'm in a "moderate" coverage area (per Tmo's map legend) and i've seen as high as 5.6 Mbps, but am usually running 1.1 to 2.6 Mbps when i test at speedtest.net
The new technology is being tested by Canadian Bell and Rogers to double HSDPA+, the race is on, remember the days when the processor speed mattered so much you wanted to have a new one every month...
Hsdpa is theoretically able to go up to 21... but we just dont have a handset that can receive that much info... our phones get up to 7.2 same as any other 3g device...
It the same technology so we can use it just cant process that much data... my phone is already faster than comcast around here... and im just getting 3g flowover from 45 minutes away north and south...
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It will be many months before most of us will be maxing out our 7.2mbps phones.
The screen on this phone makes me think I won't be upgrading for a while.
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I say get the Vibrant. I was waiting for Emerald for a long time and I decided this phone is awesome enough.
I also figure that I could get Project Emerald by selling this phone and buy it off Ebay. Chances are you would not lose any money on that deal.
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At CES T-mobile announce hspa+21 and 42 mbs speeds upcoming for thier new smartphones. Does anyone know if the G2 will be blessed with these speeds?
From my understanding it should be. Our phone connect to hsdpa+
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I hope so. When I'm connected to WIFI, my speed tests give me 20-22mbs down. On network I get 2-3mbs in my area. I hope there is no limitations or locks to these proposed speeds.
The G2's cellular radio is only capable of 14 Mb/s down.
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The phone only supports up to 14.4 mbps over the cell network (but faster over WiFi). This is a limitation of the Snapdragon platform, and all current Snapdragon phones have this limitation. The next generation 1.2 and 1.5 GHz Snapdragons (no phones with these yet) can handle cell data >14.4mbps.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8324116&postcount=11
If I understand correctly, you will be compatible with the network, but capped by at 14.4 mbps.
The mobile network is limited to 14 mbps down. It won't get any better than that. The phone's hardware is limited to that.
They sure do keep you guessing on what they (Tmo) are gonna do next. No matter, their data network will always suck. They don't even have all their hspa+ network up yet and already talking about another.
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mdayjr said:
They sure do keep you guessing on what they (Tmo) are gonna do next. No matter, their data network will always suck. They don't even have all their hspa+ network up yet and already talking about another.
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their data network will always suck? ha just 2 years ago they were still on edge. i think that going from edge to 3g to 4g in a couple years, is pretty damn impressive. sure its not verizon 3g impressive, but verizon has a hell of a lot more money to throw around because of the sheep that want phones that are so locked down its ridiculous. its almost my fifth year anniversary of customizing my phone now.
We don't really get anything higher then 8mbps, so once they raise the the bar maybe we could hit that 14.4
Note that they are only talking about 21, NOT 42. The place the 42 comes from is what is called "dual carrier".... basically, if you have two phones that are each capable of 21, then add them together and you have 42. Now just take the parts out of the two phones and slap then into a single cover. There you go... a phone capable of 42.
The Vision hardware is definitely only capable of SINGLE CARRIER.... which means that it can't possibly get 42.
Note: I wouldn't completely rule out 21. It *is* amazing what software can do... I also wouldn't *expect* it.
And for that matter, I couldn't care less. 14.4 is very fast. I doubt that there is any actual use in going over that.... mainly just bragging rights.
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Note that they are only talking about 21, NOT 42. The place the 42 comes from is what is called "dual carrier".... basically, if you have two phones that are each capable of 21, then add them together and you have 42. Now just take the parts out of the two phones and slap then into a single cover. There you go... a phone capable of 42.
The Vision hardware is definitely only capable of SINGLE CARRIER.... which means that it can't possibly get 42.
Note: I wouldn't completely rule out 21. It *is* amazing what software can do... I also wouldn't *expect* it.
And for that matter, I couldn't care less. 14.4 is very fast. I doubt that there is any actual use in going over that.... mainly just bragging rights.
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What are you talking about? HSPA+ 21 is already deployed. HSPA+ 42 is the same concept.
Its all part of LTHE - did you catch the CES demo they ran of the experimental ZTE data stick they were using that was HSPA+ 42? It was pulling 30Mbps down.
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Well, either way 14.4 is good for me. Thanks for the replies
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They sure do keep you guessing on what they (Tmo) are gonna do next. No matter, their data network will always suck. They don't even have all their hspa+ network up yet and already talking about another.
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Agree... T Mobile data does suck... Theres too many area still on E, or the Slower 3G. Im in a very popular state / city Nashville, TN and we barely have 4G here and the 3G are very slow and unstable, where as the other networks in my area have strong fast connection.
Even Cricket Wireless which to me is a cheap low end cell company has a faster more stable data connection in my area.
This is the Music Capitol of the country and barely got 4G / 3G here LOL...
They need to up it up in houston. It is very spotty. I get 4-5 sometimes but mostly 75% of the time i have 1mb and under. Not cool.
In hawaii I think they only have the hspa tower on honolulu so we all share in one tower, laggy and slow
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I see the internet experts are weighing in with their knowledge of a cell network.
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I agree... they need to work on expanding 3G coverage and phasing out 2G before jumping to beyond HSPA+ 21. More 3G coverage would relieve overcrowded existing 3G towers and therefore increase speed without an upgrade to HSPA+ 42... HSPA+21 is fast enough when towers are equaled out. On a normal 3G tower, I average 7-11Mbps down. Plenty fast, imo.
Do we have to upgrade our phones to a 4g phone if we want hspa+?
I ask, because t-mobile customers seems to have 4g speeds on their n1s.
No, it doesnt have the necessary radio inside it to do hspa +. T-mobile nexus cant do hspa +. You still might see a speed boost though.
I get 5.2mbps on my Nexus One in Canada. This is still 3G.
T-mobile customers have just experienced a placebo effect (or T-Mobile simutaneously updated both HSPA and HSPA+)
That sounds nice... maybe us att users will at least get a speed boost
You will benefit form HSPA+ on a non HSPA+ device because the backend is upgraded as well.
You're limit is your hardware. The radio on the phone can only get up to 7.2, so you'll benefit from HSPA+ all the way to 7.2.
You hit the nail on the head. With T-Mobile in a very strong HSPA+ area and my N1 is getting DL speeds over 6.5MB, my UL speeds are a very solid 1.5MB. I bought the MyTouch 4G and my speeds are on average 9 to 11 MB on DL and the same UL 1.5MB. I still find myself using my N1, with those DL speeds the N1 is a bad ass phone. Nothing feels as good as the N1 in your hand, maybe it's just me.
PS I still want a Tegra powered device, those phones look hot.
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You will benefit form HSPA+ on a non HSPA+ device because the backend is upgraded as well.
You're limit is your hardware. The radio on the phone can only get up to 7.2, so you'll benefit from HSPA+ all the way to 7.2.
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Great info, I learn something everyday on here.
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Basically the g2 and the mytouch 4g has hardware to hit 14mbps.
in this Link They tested the new vibrant 4g capable of 21 mbps. Since they both do not hit their theoretical max yet why are they not on the same level speed wise?
I had this similar situation with my friends hd2 and mytouch3g which both are capable of 7mbps compared to my g2 and i double their speeds 2ish and i had 4-5ish.
Can some one explain that to me?
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Basically the g2 and the mytouch 4g has hardware to hit 14mbps.
in this Link They tested the new vibrant 4g capable of 21 mbps. Since they both do not hit their theoretical max yet why are they not on the same level speed wise?
I had this similar situation with my friends hd2 and mytouch3g which both are capable of 7mbps compared to my g2 and i double their speeds 2ish and i had 4-5ish.
Can some one explain that to me?
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"4G" doesn't actually mean anything. Initially, it was supposed to mean 100Mbps+, but it has been abused by carriers and now literally has no meaning. In fact, 3G is now also 4G as a result of carrier abuse.
The only thing that matters to you are the RAW NUMBERS and the understanding that the "4G" being marketed by tmobile is nothing more than UMTS w/HSPA (aka "3G"). Nothing to get excited about until you start seeing 50+ Mbps LTE.
The G2 and the mytouch 4G have snapdragon cpu's. The maximum cellular data input rate for the snapdragon cpu is 14.4 mbps. The samsung galaxy S phones (which is what the vibrant 4G is) use hummingbird cpus, so I assume they are able to accept data faster than the snapdragon cpus. Thus the vibrant 4G is limited by the current network speed (21 mbps) while the G2 and mytouch 4G are limited by their cpus (14.4 mbps.)
Although the data throughput speeds (for quite a while, anyway) will be much lower, so both phones, even though the vibrant 4G is able to accept data faster, will probably top out at around 8mbps.
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dhkr234 said:
"4G" doesn't actually mean anything. Initially, it was supposed to mean 100Mbps+, but it has been abused by carriers and now literally has no meaning. In fact, 3G is now also 4G as a result of carrier abuse.
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This is actually wrong on your part. The ITU stated that HSPA+ is officially 4G now. Same with LTE and WiMAX. It's not carrier abuse. Yes. T-Mobile made a big push at premature advertisements of HSPA+ being 4G, but it's legit now. It indeed does have a meaning and 4G is not the same as 3G as you stated.
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The G2 and the mytouch 4G have snapdragon cpu's. The maximum cellular data input rate for the snapdragon cpu is 14.4 mbps. The samsung galaxy S phones (which is what the vibrant 4G is) use hummingbird cpus, so I assume they are able to accept data faster than the snapdragon cpus. Thus the vibrant 4G is limited by the current network speed (21 mbps) while the G2 and mytouch 4G are limited by their cpus (14.4 mbps.)
Although the data throughput speeds (for quite a while, anyway) will be much lower, so both phones, even though the vibrant 4G is able to accept data faster, will probably top out at around 8mbps.
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i know its capable of of different speeds but why does the vibrant 4g in the link above reach high speeds than the mytouch 4g even though the speeds are under 14.4mbps? Should the speed difference be after 14.4?
If hummingbird has a 21mbps capability why doesn't the vibrant 3G get 21mbps being the same cpu as the vibrant 4G?
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i know its capable of of different speeds but why does the vibrant 4g in the link above reach high speeds than the mytouch 4g even though the speeds are under 14.4mbps? Should the speed difference be after 14.4?
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No, the Vibrant 4Gs enhanced chipset allows for better throughout, albeit the speeds will vary on location. The area of testing for that article had decent fiber backhaul, but not enough to hit near 21 Mbps.
Just because something is capable of a max doesn't mean it will ever be realized in a real world scenario.
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androidfeen809 said:
If hummingbird has a 21mbps capability why doesn't the vibrant 3G get 21mbps being the same cpu as the vibrant 4G?
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There is actually speculation that the Vibrant IS capable of 4G speeds and is merely limited by software. So there's that.
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The G2 and the mytouch 4G have snapdragon cpu's. The maximum cellular data input rate for the snapdragon cpu is 14.4 mbps. The samsung galaxy S phones (which is what the vibrant 4G is) use hummingbird cpus, so I assume they are able to accept data faster than the snapdragon cpus. Thus the vibrant 4G is limited by the current network speed (21 mbps) while the G2 and mytouch 4G are limited by their cpus (14.4 mbps.)
Although the data throughput speeds (for quite a while, anyway) will be much lower, so both phones, even though the vibrant 4G is able to accept data faster, will probably top out at around 8mbps.
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Wait a minute...
I've always understood it to be the radio chip that limits the data speeds. If the processor is the limiting factor then a 'dumb' phone shouldn't even be able to hit 3G speeds, let alone any tier of 4G. Yet that's what carriers are pushing for. Also, a USB dongle can hit 4G speeds without a 1GHz processor (yes the computer has one but not the dongle). Lets not forget wifi. My blackberry 8900 could utilize the full speed of my wifi that uses a cable connection (roadrunner). We all know how craptastic blackberry processors are and it did just fine. So I for one, would love to see this "it's the processor" concept elaborated on. Isn't the scorpion processor supposed to be more powerful than the hummingbird anyway? Makes no sense to me...
Since people seem baffled by this concept, lets elaborate:
4G speeds are handled by a combination of the baseband chip and processing factors. The CPU is responsible for converting and crunching raw data, and a higher end CPU is required to process faster HSPA+ speeds.
In some instances software may be a limiting factor in small speed tweaks, but as far as saying the Vibrant HSPA 7.2 is the same capability as the Vibrant HSPA+ 21 is wrong, software has nothing to do with it, in this case, its a newer chipset with an updated baseband. The Hummingbird processor, to my knowledge, is the same, but thats because it could handle the speeds fine already, it was mainly the baseband that needed revision. Keep in mind, when I say Baseband, Im referring to the baseband chip, not the software aspect we see in upgrading ROMs.
Don't confuse the wifi radio with the cellular radio, they're not the same at all. I can't elaborate on wifi aspects because I don't know much of that area.
Lastly, the argument that a USB dongle can handle speeds can be shot out of the water as well - in this case, the baseband chip is updated based on the model, and any processing overhead is handled via the CPU within the PC.
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I wasn't saying that the vibrant 4g just had a massively more powerful CPU. Its just a design limitation for snapdragon cpus that they can't accept cellular data faster than 14.4 mbps. They probably have enough processing power to go faster than that.
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I wasn't saying that the vibrant 4g just had a massively more powerful CPU. Its just a design limitation for snapdragon cpus that they can't accept cellular data faster than 14.4 mbps. They probably have enough processing power to go faster than that.
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I'm sure they do, but like a pc, the device is only as fast as it's slowest component.
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tazz9690 said:
This is actually wrong on your part. The ITU stated that HSPA+ is officially 4G now. Same with LTE and WiMAX. It's not carrier abuse. Yes. T-Mobile made a big push at premature advertisements of HSPA+ being 4G, but it's legit now. It indeed does have a meaning and 4G is not the same as 3G as you stated.
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Awesome...I guess this means the 15k I got on a speed test earlier today, with strong "4G" signal is really what I'm paying for.
Hurray future!
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Awesome...I guess this means the 15k I got on a speed test earlier today, with strong "4G" signal is really what I'm paying for.
Hurray future!
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There's no way you were actually getting that sort of speed. I assume you were using mobilespeedtest.com?
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There's no way you were actually getting that sort of speed. I assume you were using mobilespeedtest.com?
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Reread his post broseph.... 15k is slower than dial up. The guy was being sarcastic.
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TheMan42 said:
Since people seem baffled by this concept, lets elaborate:
4G speeds are handled by a combination of the baseband chip and processing factors. The CPU is responsible for converting and crunching raw data, and a higher end CPU is required to process faster HSPA+ speeds.
In some instances software may be a limiting factor in small speed tweaks, but as far as saying the Vibrant HSPA 7.2 is the same capability as the Vibrant HSPA+ 21 is wrong, software has nothing to do with it, in this case, its a newer chipset with an updated baseband. The Hummingbird processor, to my knowledge, is the same, but thats because it could handle the speeds fine already, it was mainly the baseband that needed revision. Keep in mind, when I say Baseband, Im referring to the baseband chip, not the software aspect we see in upgrading ROMs.
Don't confuse the wifi radio with the cellular radio, they're not the same at all. I can't elaborate on wifi aspects because I don't know much of that area.
Lastly, the argument that a USB dongle can handle speeds can be shot out of the water as well - in this case, the baseband chip is updated based on the model, and any processing overhead is handled via the CPU within the PC.
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Well that makes a lot more sense than what I read earlier. It seemed to state that only the processor was involved in factoring which phones can hit 21.1Mbps or not. Yes the dongle was a stab in the dark. I just threw it in there to show that any device can access 21.1 Mbps which is the duty of the baseband 'radio' chip. The processor is what interprets the data and converts it to something usable. Being that the scorpion (2nd Gen Snapdragon - our processor) is more powerful than the current hummingbird processor - we *can* handle 21.1 but our baseband chip just isn't up to par. Like you said, it's the weakest component.
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Since people seem baffled by this concept, lets elaborate:
4G speeds are handled by a combination of the baseband chip and processing factors. The CPU is responsible for converting and crunching raw data, and a higher end CPU is required to process faster HSPA+ speeds.
In some instances software may be a limiting factor in small speed tweaks, but as far as saying the Vibrant HSPA 7.2 is the same capability as the Vibrant HSPA+ 21 is wrong, software has nothing to do with it, in this case, its a newer chipset with an updated baseband. The Hummingbird processor, to my knowledge, is the same, but thats because it could handle the speeds fine already, it was mainly the baseband that needed revision. Keep in mind, when I say Baseband, Im referring to the baseband chip, not the software aspect we see in upgrading ROMs.
Don't confuse the wifi radio with the cellular radio, they're not the same at all. I can't elaborate on wifi aspects because I don't know much of that area.
Lastly, the argument that a USB dongle can handle speeds can be shot out of the water as well - in this case, the baseband chip is updated based on the model, and any processing overhead is handled via the CPU within the PC.
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LOL I kinda figure the wifi radio is not the same not long ago when my G2 hit the 20 mbps on wifi I was like WTF lol
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LOL I kinda figure the wifi radio is not the same not long ago when my G2 hit the 20 mbps on wifi I was like WTF lol
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Think that only twelve years ago, when I used my first connection to the internet via cellular radio the speed was 9600 bps (about 1KB/s).
Think also that the WIFI classification is not the same as UMTS/HSDPA.
Indeed a nominal 10Mbps WIFI link is actually slower than a 7.2Mbps HSDPA one.
For those of you who do not underdtand Tmobile 4G or HSPA+
its stilL TECHINCALLY 3G, it is still using 3G techology, just optimized better.
To better understand this, think of DSL modems back in the day, what was the fastest when they were introduced? 54k, now look at them now, still DSL
Tmobile and other carriers *****ed alot because the standards for 4G were just too much and could not be meet.
Also, G2 HSPA+ will evenutally go up to 20 if not higher since Tmobile recently announce they would be increasing their speeds.
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For those of you who do not underdtand Tmobile 4G or HSPA+
its stilL TECHINCALLY 3G, it is still using 3G techology, just optimized better.
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Should be more correct call the HSPA+ 3.75G
The same happened in the 2G area
GSM = 2G
GPRS = 2.5G
Edge = 2.75G
Because they are all based on the same F/TDMA thecnology.
Now we have 3G for UMTS, 3.5G for HSDPA, 3.75G for HSPA+
4G should be used for the next level LTE and WIMAX
I did a test with my nexus one and G2, I don't know how but my Nexus still out performed my G2 Am I Glad To Be An Owner Of A Nexus1
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DL-4.46
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DL-3.74
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I live in a suburb of Boston and have great HSPA+ service. My N1 is getting on average during peak hours 4.2 DL and a constant 1.3 UL. I am very happy with those numbers. T-Mobile has a solid Network and blows away AT&T, Sprint and Verizon in my area. I live only 10 miles out of Boston and one mile away from RT 128. Suppose to be strong areas for all the Carriers.
Thank You T-Mobile.
Confused
If the T-mobile or Att network your using has an average of 7.2mbps or less, wont the Nexus One get the exact same download speed as any HSPA+ phone?
The only time an HSPA+ phone would ever "outpace" the N1 in download speed would be if the network is built up past 7.2mbps right? Like if the average speed was 10mbps THEN the HSPA+ would finally kick in but until 7.2mbps the Nexus One will keep up with any HSPA+ phone right?
I didn't know the G2 was LTE enabled
HSDPA+ is 3G btw.
I don't know, my thoughts were G2: better phone, better performance. LOL (Simpled Minded) Huh? It doesn't make sense to buy a 4G phone then! Forget 4G
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LOL at thinking those measly speeds are 4G!
4G speeds are more like 30MB/s down and 15MB/s up.
Look at some of the Verizon LTE (a TRUE 4G network) speed tests.
GldRush98 said:
LOL at thinking those measly speeds are 4G!
4G speeds are more like 30MB/s down and 15MB/s up.
Look at some of the Verizon LTE (a TRUE 4G network) speed tests.
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Well even Verizon's LTE network is still around 7-12 Mbit, not MB/sec... and no where near true "4G."
The ITU's newest standard now allows "evolved 3G technologies" such as HSPA+ to eventually qualify for "4G" nomenclature, but this is still quite some time from now, given that it's roughly 1/10 of the required speed for mobile applications. What's funny, though, is that T-Mobile's HSPA+ is generally faster than Sprint's WiMAX in many areas, despite the fact that under the old classification system WiMAX could eventually become 4G whereas HSPA+ could not.
IMT-Advanced basically became what the old "4G" classification was, including the 100 Mbit mobile and 1 Gbit fixed speed requirements, as well as goodies like VoIP and OFDMA.
Wow Professor Will, So All This Hype About 4G is probably for months or even years to come! I'm not buying another supposedly 4G Phone until its like an guarantee that I see a huge difference in speed!
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wtharden said:
Wow Professor Will, So All This Hype About 4G is probably for months or even years to come! I'm not buying another supposedly 4G Phone until its like an guarantee that I see a huge difference in speed!
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yeah pretty much, i thought it was common knowledge for all of us phone geeks. tmobile's 4g is nothing but 3G HSPA. and unless the towers have enough backhaul to support fast speeds, a 3G phone will perform like a 4G phone until the theoretical limits for each are hit. havent seen that happen anywhere yet in the USA that i can tell. its all gimmic marketing crap.
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yeah pretty much, i thought it was common knowledge for all of us phone geeks. tmobile's 4g is nothing but 3G HSPA. and unless the towers have enough backhaul to support fast speeds, a 3G phone will perform like a 4G phone until the theoretical limits for each are hit. havent seen that happen anywhere yet in the USA that i can tell. its all gimmic marketing crap.
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Call it what you want, I'm very happy with T-Mobile. In my area they are faster then all others. They have the best plans and prices blow all others away. I think if more people gave them a chance they would be very happy. Not to mention they support the Nexus One.
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Call it what you want, I'm very happy with T-Mobile. In my area they are faster then all others. They have the best plans and prices blow all others away. I think if more people gave them a chance they would be very happy. Not to mention they support the Nexus One.
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+1 Also, very satisfied with TMobile in my area!
galaxys said:
+1 Also, very satisfied with TMobile in my area!
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+2 dittos.
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Call it what you want, I'm very happy with T-Mobile. In my area they are faster then all others. They have the best plans and prices blow all others away. I think if more people gave them a chance they would be very happy. Not to mention they support the Nexus One.
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I'm very impressed with t-mobile and give them all the credit in the world for what they've done with their data speeds. ATT is a joke when it comes to being a leader like that. They do nothing but follow the other carriers and react rather than set the standard. But I'm sad t-mobile started this fake 4g thing.
Extremely satisfied with my Nexus One on TMO. I'm roughly 20 miles north west from northeastern Philly and just like the other users have said T-Mobile has the best coverage in my area compared to Verizon and AT&T. My work phone is a Blackberry Tour running on Verizon's network and the network coverage blows compared to T-Mobile's in my area.
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Rogers in canada is crazy fast... It seems my upload is capped at 1mbit up but download speeds have gotten upwards of 4 even 5 mbit down!
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