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Here is a quick rundown on the LCD quality. I am busy so it may be a few days before I can post more.
The LCD is better than the G-tablet's screen. The Adam does not give me a headache like the gtab did. The viewing angles are still shallow, and in portrait mode you must still tilt the screen to one side. Its perfectly usable, it may not be up there with more costly tablets, but for the price, it is one of the better screens.
Build quality seems pretty solid. Unfortunately, I think the rush to get these things built is causing some issues. I had a lot of dust under the touch screen. So much that it was distracting. I had to take apart the device to get it out... and it wasn't easy. It is a major pain in the ***. That doesn't include the pain to get it apart in the first place. My advice, don't... just don't. After a lot of work, frustration, and two cans of air I did manage to get most of the dust out though.
The software is a little buggy. Nothing major, just random lag, odd behavior, and usability issues that popped up here and there. More annoying than anything. The touchscreen does not want to behave sometimes, and that is the most annoying bit. I put a custom ROM on it, one that is not stock based, and it works much better. Everything is smooth and well behaved.
All this waiting and anticipation, and in the end, I'm over the tablet thing. Nothing on the Adam, its a perfectly capable and fine tablet. It is a modders dream, much like the gtab was, but with official company devs willing to get active in the rooting community. (as evident from one of the custom ROMs created by a Notion Ink dev)
I will continue using it for the weekend, but I may end up selling it. I think I will be better served by a new laptop. One that is a bit more portable than this 17 inch behemoth I have now. I still have my GF's Archos 70 to mess around with in the mean time.
In conclusion, good hardware, passable screen, software needs refined a bit more, and lots of potential.
please do. I am looking forward to seeing how the cheap version performs.
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Anyone know of a review of the LCD version? Have any of those even shipped? Well if not, I should get mine next week, and I will post a review myself.
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Please do. I am interested in the LCD version too.
damn i thought this was a review of the LCD model like i'm getting. it seems everyone has gotten the qi
Very curious about the lcd, as it seems pqi has disappointed thus far.
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well considering that all the pixel qi models were gone first in ordering. Id bet that next to no one in the first batch of deliveries got an lcd model. or maybe the lcd just doesnt have problems like the pixel qi and the owner are to busy playing with their awsome tablet. My lcd wifi model ships the 31st. cant wait
i should get an invite for next preorder and i'd buy an lcd because i use it only at home so doesn't worth to take a qi version...really hope that someone will review this model before i have to place my order.
I read a new review by a e-reader site say that the PQI screen isn't bad at all, it just has its strengths and weaknesses.
I will post a quick review and try to get a video as well. I have a point and shoot, but the video from it is not the greatest quality. I do not think my SLR has video.
finally somone got LCD version....
here's the review
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slehy7p2evg
I got my LCD version yesterday and can do a review if you guys still want one. It is sweet
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@gbishop Please post a review of the LCD version. You seem to be the only one thats had the LCD version deliverd. Im going to order one, but im not sure which screen version i want.
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@gbishop Please post a review of the LCD version. You seem to be the only one thats had the LCD version deliverd. Im going to order one, but im not sure which screen version i want.
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I wrote up a quick one on the site I write for. My brothers came in yesterday. The LCD is great, viewing angles could be a little better but the screen is clear and quite vibrant.
Link to writeup
Thanks a lot for the review. I'm glad the LCD can display colors better than the Pixel Qi Variant. Could you make a video comparing the screen to a Laptop/Desktop screen or your Vibrant?
Hello
I read on notionaddicts forum, that LCD screen is very clear in sunlight.
What is your experience using it outside ? Could you make some photos or videos using it outdoors in sunny day?
Yup still waiting on mine.
Got mine in today. Will update later.
man, I really cant wait, for mine to arrive....please get those reviews out, as many vids and pics as possible please
I just received mine yesterday. Pixel Qi variant. It works well for its intended purpose, but I would probably choose the lcd if I had to do it all over again. I think. I'll miss the color saturation more than I will take it outside. I did have it in the sun today, and it was quite readable.
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Still using it, but still may sell it. Anyone interested, let me know, I would sell it at cost.
I have received my Adam LCD 3g version, we are slowly becoming friends. The LCD viewing angle isn't the greatest and seems to be worse in low light conditions. Of course in direct sunlight it's near impossible to see, but with some shade outside it's OK.
Colours are good and it looks nice, I have one green pixel that is always on, I guess that is acceptable, although with modern LCD's it is a bit unusual to have a dead/always on pixel.
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Can some help me out with how the PixelQi screen compares to E Ink? So far, the reviews I have read have stated that the screen is pretty bad for indoor reading without specifying how bad. Apart from PixelQi, I guess the Xoom is a far better tablet than Adam though obviously more expensive (rumored). If the PixelQi screen is as bad as the reviews state it to be, I guess the wait for the best PDF e-reader continues.
Secondly, I wonder why none of the big companies have taken a liking so far to PixelQi. Hopefully, the Lattice Innoversal will come out soon and provide a second glimpse of PixelQi in action on a tablet.
Someone posted a video of it in action and it looked good to me. It requires light on the screen to reflect back the picture, so it may need more than an ereader.
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As I have a pixelQi enabled adam in my lap right now, I can state that while the pixelQi in the adam is /not/ a perfect replacement to e-ink
(The extra glossy glass layer added to the top of the pixelQi display removes some of it's benefit, sadly, as light has to travel further to hit the actual pixelqi display, so it doesn't diffuse right, if I'm thinking of the right word)
It is, however, pretty awesome if you've got the right lighting. I work in a very well lit office, and actually prefer reading off the kindle app with the pixelQi mode enabled (backlight off) and it works ok. However, under normal lamp light, it's not as good as the kindle is.
I wonder how out would work under airplane light. Also, is it only greyscale our is there color with just the pixel qi screen on?
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I am guessing that is one of the reasons why it has not been adopted by any major player...most of them seem more interested in Mirasol. My question was rather related to flights - I wonder how easy it is to read on flights with Adam.
If this is the case, I wonder why there is so much enthusiasm over Adam. It has terrible support if not for XDA folks and the hardware is similar to Xoom. I guess that's what happens when a bunch of engineers try and run a company. I guess I will have a bunch of Solomon Adamites running wild on me for my comments but most of my words come from experience with startups. Adam for the present is just acting as a stop gap solution to the non iPad tablet market. It has potential but they better hire a business guy.
Again, the PixelQi screen is still pretty great, it just seems the glass layer ontop of it from the adam is a bit too thick to use it to its full potential.
Unfortunately, I cannot say as far as airplane light, as my next flight won't be until march. If you mean as in light from the windows, yes, that will be more than bright enough to light it up for great visibility. If you mean the dinky little overhead lamp you push in to turn on when the rest of the plane is dark, I'm not sure.
As far as enthusiasm over the adam, I agree, so far there has been a bunch of missteps from the company, with them having blog posts about finding matte glass, then it ending up as a matte screen protector, a bunch of shipping debacles and misinformation about dates, and other issues. However, I can say the hardware itself is quite solid. If you ignore the eden UI (which, when working is pretty great), the pure android experience is great.
If you consider that the adam has the identical hardware to the xoom (with possibly a different/unique/betterdependingonopinion screen), and the fact the Xoom is currently looking to be launched at $800 after contract, the adam is a /waaay/ better deal for the cash.
I of course can only speak from my experience, but so far I'm really enjoying the adam. Only real complaint I've had is that the GPS is either not working or somehow calibrated wrong, as it thinks I'm in China.
Edit: Sirchuk, to answer your question, depending on the light, there is still some color to be visible. We're talking /slight/ color, as far as I can tell, but it's there. If you don't have enough light you'll really only see white/grey, as far as I can tell.
The original CES video showed that with direct sunlight the screen was full color to the point of almost HD quality. I don't think that is the case anymore.
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I also think one of the reasons NI can afford to price it so less is because they don't have to worry about Service, Support, Marketing, Legal, etc.,
The Matte and Glossy goof up is unforgivable. I was seriously hoping that NI would solve my PDF e-reader problem but I guess I will need to wait
The Xoom and the Adam don't have the same hardware -- they just have the same SoC. While it does make the similar, they are not the same. It's the same comparison with the ViewSonic G-Tab... same SoC != Same Hardware. There's a number of other things to consider...
(Storage, Screen, RAM, GPS, Wifi, Bluetooth, 3G/2G, Materials, Build Quality, Support, etc, etc.)
True, they aren't the same, but should deliver the same/similar functionality. Sure, the Adam doesn't have as high a resolution LCD (close) but it's also about half the price.
$425 shipped for the base model Adam, vs a rumored $800 shipped for the Xoom? I think Verizon will sell it for $700 after a subsidy, but that's still a steep price difference.
Honestly, I was set on a Xoom, until I compared the two and judged that the differences weren't worth almost twice the price.
Yep, I guess even am going in for the Adam mainly for the hardware but the FCC pics did look scary
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True, they aren't the same, but should deliver the same/similar functionality. Sure, the Adam doesn't have as high a resolution LCD (close) but it's also about half the price.
$425 shipped for the base model Adam, vs a rumored $800 shipped for the Xoom? I think Verizon will sell it for $700 after a subsidy, but that's still a steep price difference.
Honestly, I was set on a Xoom, until I compared the two and judged that the differences weren't worth almost twice the price.
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Like joshua.lyon said, the viewsonic g tablet has the "same" (similar) hardware. It is available at your local Kmart or Sears, so no waiting and it's about half the price of the xoom at $399. It already has hacker/developer support, etc..
But then again that "same" (similar), isn't similar enough... IMHO Xoom<Adam just because it's 1 or 2 hardware differences, mainly the option of PQi, lack of USB Host (both rather huge differences)..
Shoot, you want really cheap "similar" hardware, eLocity A7...
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Comparables: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacom...&id5=2577&id6=2747&id7=2290&id8=2291&id9=2609
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Like joshua.lyon said, the viewsonic g tablet has the "same" (similar) hardware. It is available at your local Kmart or Sears, so no waiting and it's about half the price of the xoom at $399. It already has hacker/developer support, etc..
But then again that "same" (similar), isn't similar enough... IMHO Xoom<Adam just because it's 1 or 2 hardware differences, mainly the option of PQi, lack of USB Host (both rather huge differences)..
Shoot, you want really cheap "similar" hardware, eLocity A7...
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Comparables: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacom...&id5=2577&id6=2747&id7=2290&id8=2291&id9=2609
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I don't know, I'm hearing mixed reviews of the PQi display. Granted, USB host is pretty nice. The Xoom does have twice the memory though and higher resolution. I still don't see how they think they can price it at $800 though.
My main concern is the longevity of the Adam. I don't even know if it has a warranty. It's open though, and that counts for something.
The thing that sealed the deal for me was watching the video of full HDMI output. Phones don't even do that, and it's a feature I will take advantage of.
Hulu, YouTube, Netflix (soon) and anything else online or offline output to my TV? heck yeah...
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I don't know, I'm hearing mixed reviews of the PQi display. Granted, USB host is pretty nice. The Xoom does have twice the memory though and higher resolution. I still don't see how they think they can price it at $800 though.
My main concern is the longevity of the Adam. I don't even know if it has a warranty. It's open though, and that counts for something.
The thing that sealed the deal for me was watching the video of full HDMI output. Phones don't even do that, and it's a feature I will take advantage of.
Hulu, YouTube, Netflix (soon) and anything else online or offline output to my TV? heck yeah...
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+1 DVDs, self made recordings, Anime, HUGE eReader... endless options, heck yeah!
Eujin said:
As I have a pixelQi enabled adam in my lap right now, I can state that while the pixelQi in the adam is /not/ a perfect replacement to e-ink
(The extra glossy glass layer added to the top of the pixelQi display removes some of it's benefit, sadly, as light has to travel further to hit the actual pixelqi display, so it doesn't diffuse right, if I'm thinking of the right word)
It is, however, pretty awesome if you've got the right lighting. I work in a very well lit office, and actually prefer reading off the kindle app with the pixelQi mode enabled (backlight off) and it works ok. However, under normal lamp light, it's not as good as the kindle is.
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I'm interested in the Adam for reading lots of PDF files during the day in an office environment. Can you give some more details on what type of lighting that works well with the backlight off mode of Adam? Do you with normal lamp light mean for example a 60W bulb in a desktop office lamp with the light source positioned about 1 meter from the Adam screen. Would that not be good enough lighting for a good reading experience on Adam?
A second question to anyone with an Adam, since there's also been some talk about HDMI output here. Is there some HDMI to VGA adapter that works with the Adam? Most projectors at my work are still VGA only and I'm very interested in using Adam for powerpoint-like output.
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The Xoom and the Adam don't have the same hardware -- they just have the same SoC. While it does make the similar, they are not the same. It's the same comparison with the ViewSonic G-Tab... same SoC != Same Hardware. There's a number of other things to consider...
(Storage, Screen, RAM, GPS, Wifi, Bluetooth, 3G/2G, Materials, Build Quality, Support, etc, etc.)
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You must also take into consideration the adams abundance of ports, the XOOM only offers one micro usb, one micro hdmi, and a 3.5mm jack. so you have to either get them from Motorola or get some adapters. that mean no thumb drives or normall usb powered devices.
Tomorrow ill make a full review of it in all conditions
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Tomorrow ill make a full review of it in all conditions
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Thanks. The best video of the e-reader capacity of Adam that I have so far found is by the goodereader team (google "Notion Ink Adam vs. Apple iPad and Amazon Kindle" to find it; my user account don't allow posting direct links yet)
That video still has a few problems that I hope some other video review will avoid:
1. doesn't say if the have applied the matte screen sheet or not. And if there are any drawbacks to using the matte screen sheet?
2. does not show what types of background light they have and does not compare different background lights
3. moves around the camera and/or Adam to much to quickly for the viewer. To shoot it with a fixed camera for 10+ seconds at a time and then change zoom mode and/or lighting and repeat the 10+ second shot, making sure to let it focus before counting, would be much more useful.
4. the reviewer hasn't actually done much reading on the device, e.g. tried reading a few book chapters in various use enviroments -- at an office table in sunlit indoors environment, outside, at night with an office table lamp, at night with a bedside lamp. Is it really important to position the lightsource just right to avoid reading-worsening reflection?
5. isn't shot in 720p or 1080p
My Adam has not arrived yet (I am a 5.31% factionalist)
but I use a Pixel Qi screen daily and have for the last six months. I can give you some insight into it's use on a laptop.
All screens reflect strong light to some extent. Your laptop does it. What do you do? You turn it to an angle that does not reflect light or reflects as little light as possible. You will do the same thing with the tablet. Many people are showing videos and photos that show how much light the Adam reflects, not how little light you can get it to reflect by just changing the angle a bit like you do now with your laptop. Your laptop screen is probably more reflective than the Adam screen and you wouldn't send it back because of it.
I am sure the contrast of the Adam Pixel Qi screen is not going to be as dramatic as your dedicated e-reader, but it is perfectly acceptable and has the advantage of being more of a full service device. I use mine to read in full sunlight by the pool for hours at a time frequently. The advantage of being able to watch videos, surf the web, read books, RSS, and emails and use thousands of programs (spelled Angry Birds) over weighs a greater degree of contrast on the screen. The only downside is that the black parts get too hot to hold. Don't even think about touching the touch pad! We need a terricloth Adam case please!
E-ink is probably better if all you are going to do is read books and documents. If you are living in the real world and do not want multiple devices, you need a Pixel Qi tablet or laptop. You can buy a laptop from ebay, and buy and install a Pixel Qi screen for less than a top of the line Adam.
The Pixel Qi screen needs different color correction profiles to enhance it's view-ability. I have three different profiles that change brightness, gama and contrast that can be employed with one click depending on the environment I am in. I hope we will have that capability on the Adam. Usually this would not be a big deal in Android, but with the Pixel Qi it is.
To get a nice white/black screen in reflective mode you need to use one profile. For full saturation in a dark room in transmissive you need another. Transflective mode is variable, and so can use a profile of it's own to your taste. This screen is not the old on/off you are used to. It will take some getting used to, but then you will never look back.
Hope this helps!
johnboatcat: thanks, very useful feedback.
I plan to read a lot on the device I end the end buy. But mostly PDF files with graphics or text that can't be easily reflowed. I am under the impression that Kindle type devices don't support that very well. I also have need for quickly jumping back and forth between pages while reading the PDF documents and the slowness of Kindle refresh rules it out.
So I am definitely waiting for an Adam-like device with decent e-ink-type screen mode, fast refresh and that also can fits common netbook use cases: emailing, writing shorter texts, browsing and so on.
Adam seems the most promising candidate at present. But the glossy glass above the screen looks worrying to me. From the videos I've seen it looks much more glossy than any laptop I have owned. So I'm awaiting more videos I guess. When you do receive you Adam please post some new feedback on this topic. With your experience with a PQ screen in another device you'll be in a very good position to judge just how much the Adam glass sheet changes the reading experience.
I should also say that I plan to do my reading on it mostly indoors: at an office desk and in bed. So positioning it to avoid distracting light source reflections might be much easier in those situations.
Hello everybody,
I would like know opinions from users about Adam as an e-book reader.
I've seen all the videos in the archive about that, and i've seen that the screen looks pretty poor as an ereader vs a true e-paper, so my question is:
I would use it for academic books in pdf or djvu that i need for my university exams and academic papers.
considering that Adam is a tablet and can do a lot more than an ebook reader, i could be satisfied with a poor e-reading experience,
so i would like to know from whom of u who already owns it if u would suggest it or not for my pourpose.
In other words, if i have to spend about 400 € for good ereader, but i can have an adam for 500 € considering that i would use it for a lot more thing than studying, if the pixel qi technology is quite satisfieing i would chose an adam..
Here is a review from a site that does nothing but talk about and review ereaders, it is a bit long but it probably has the info you are looking for:
hxxp://goodereader.com/blog/tablet-slates/notion-ink-adam-hands-on-review/
Thank u, i've already seen that, but i would like to hear some user opinion since that review doesn't speak in terms of e-reading experiece but more of powersaving possibilities with the pixel qi.
I don't want a tablet, i want an e-reader, but for those prices, since i need it for reading big pdfs of scanned books (and i would need a 9" expensive e-reader for a sporadic use) i would like to understand if Adam could do the trick of giving me a decent e-reading experience.
In that case i would justify the price paid since i would use it for more much things than only studying and reading academic papers.
No one out there does use it for reading manuals and academic books that they can't afford to print?
Thanks
First, I haven't yet ordered an adam, due to the Mastercard issues, but when I finally do, I plan on getting one with the Pixel Qi screen, and one of it's uses will be as an ereader. I don't plan to do all my reading in the Pixel Qi mode, but there are many situations where a standard LCD just won't cut it for me, so I need the option.
Here is my take on it judging by what reviews are out there in reference to the Pixel Qi and the experience viewing documents on my 4" android phone...
Software:
Will the adam work as a good e-reader? Sure, there are many apps available for android that provide for a pleasant reading experience. There are apps to view just about any format you want (many of them free), so you can choose to convert it to the best format, instead of possibly settling for another because of limited support. Combine that with a 10.1" screen, fairly low weight, and ergonomic weight distribution (concentrated on one side as opposed to spread out evenly, which makes it feel lighter) and it will make a great reader.
Hardware:
Is Pixel Qi as good as e-ink? No, not quite. In the 'e-ink' type mode, it is a reflective grey-scale lcd screen, and doesn't have as good of a contrast ratio as you will see on the newest e-ink screens, and therefore not as crisp. Is the Pixel Qi as good as a regular LCD? Again, not quite. It isn't as bright as a normal LCD screen, and again the contrast ratio is also a little lower, but it isn't that bad either. There are people looking into tweaking the display settings (like gamma and such) like you can in Windows, to optimize the experience. Also, while good, and with the software needing further tweaking to make it better, the battery life won't be as good a dedicated e-ink reader.
The pro's of this are that it is still an LCD screen, and while in transmissive/transflective mode, is full color, and can be taken out into the bright sunlight and still be read clearly (although with loss of color). Also, as you said, the adam is a tablet which can do a lot more than a dedicated ebook reader.
I mostly read novels, so these are some comments for a few paper-back sized readers, not for text books, but maybe there's some useful information here anyway.
Kindle3 (6"):
Good for reading outside. Super high resolution. Put it under a microscope and it looks like it was laser printed. Not so good if there is not a lot of ambient light. Expect to need a nice bright light nearby when using it indoors. This is my current book reader of choice for use outside. I pretty much hate the GUI. Anything beyond read, turn page, read, is an exercise in patience and frustration.
Dell Streak (5"):
Good for inside and under most lighting conditions. Nearly ideal size for reading novels. Very sharp text and great contrast. This is my current book reader of choice for anything but outside in direct sunlight. Great battery life you can read forever in airplane mode.
iPhone 4:
Similar experience to Streak. Even sharper text. You have to turn the page a lot. Not really a problem.
iPhone 3Gs:
Similar to iPhone 4, but text is a little blurry in side-by-side comparisons with the others. Still O.K. though. I read on one of these for 5 hours straight NY to LA and liked it, but it did need recharging for some reason.
I haven't used either the iPad or Adam PQi for much reading yet, but i did play with them side by side (my son has the Adam), and think I would prefer all of the above to either for extended reading. In fact a Kindle + Streak combo is still smaller, lighter and more readable than an iPad or Adam.
So maybe the take home message is 'Jack of all trades, master of none.'
Additional notes.
iPad:
Hard to hold. Too big and heavy for long reading sessions. If you keep it out of direct light, i.e., in your shadow its just as good as the PQi. Inside it is way better owing to greater contrast and seemingly higher resolution.
Adam PQi:
That rounded handle makes it way easier to hold than in iPad. Not so thrilled with the stability of the software so far. PQi in direct sunlight is better than iPad, but still no fun to read. It's not even close to e-ink for direct sunlight.
Other notes on the PQi:
I think people have been way too kind in describing how much of a compromise the PQi display really is. For somewhat better outdoor performance, you get the poorest LCD display quality I've ever seen.
The text looks more pixelated than I've have noticed on other 10.1" displays or the iPad. I expect this is because every other row of the LCD is dedicated to the reflective elements. I put it under a microscope and every other row of pixels is off in LCD mode, so I think that explains it. It probably also explains the lame contrast. In PQi mode it looks a little sharper, but still pixellated. I have a PQi Adam on the way and kind of wish it was an LCD version.
i don't mind lightness as i won't be using it for reading novels. Actually here in Italy e-books are almost nonexistent. I read novels on paper mostly because of that and also because i don't think reading on 4" backlit display is a good experience (i've a Nexus One)
I would read pdf scans and that is a thing u can't do with a kindle3 because as i've read it is not possible to zoom if i am right...
My concerns are only about studying sessions on backlitted displays, i don't want an exploding headache after 4 hours reading on an LCD.
And no, i don't want to buy a book on the cost of 50€ for using it 2 months of my life for a specific exam. Yes i could lend it from a library and that's the way i go for now, but a lot of texts aren't available, not for speaking of manuals regarding things like digital art or photography, in which i'm involved but that are impossible to get in italian libraries near where i live.
I think th PQi is a good compromise on that since in the transreflective mode on indoor good lightining conditions i could get good non-eye-tiring reading. (Am i right?)
And i don't really mind a sharp display or with intense colors since i would use it for surfing the web, reading news, socials, mails, and leave to my laptop the multimedia things.
Actually i'm almost convinced that it will be a good choice for my pourpose.
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Adam PQi:
That rounded handle makes it way easier to hold than in iPad. Not so thrilled with the stability of the software so far. PQi in direct sunlight is better than iPad, but still no fun to read. It's not even close to e-ink for direct sunlight.
Other notes on the PQi:
I think people have been way too kind in describing how much of a compromise the PQi display really is. For somewhat better outdoor performance, you get the poorest LCD display quality I've ever seen.
The text looks more pixelated than I've have noticed on other 10.1" displays or the iPad. I expect this is because every other row of the LCD is dedicated to the reflective elements. I put it under a microscope and every other row of pixels is off in LCD mode, so I think that explains it. It probably also explains the lame contrast. In PQi mode it looks a little sharper, but still pixellated. I have a PQi Adam on the way and kind of wish it was an LCD version.
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What are you basing this analysis on? You don't have an Adam PQi as of yet, did you get hands on someone else's to make this determination?
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What are you basing this analysis on? You don't have an Adam PQi as of yet, did you get hands on someone else's to make this determination?
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My son got his in the last batch. Mine is on the way. I get to play with it in the few moments when he is not using it.
zanzabros said:
i don't mind lightness as i won't be using it for reading novels. Actually here in Italy e-books are almost nonexistent. I read novels on paper mostly because of that and also because i don't think reading on 4" backlit display is a good experience (i've a Nexus One)
I would read pdf scans and that is a thing u can't do with a kindle3 because as i've read it is not possible to zoom if i am right...
My concerns are only about studying sessions on backlitted displays, i don't want an exploding headache after 4 hours reading on an LCD.
And no, i don't want to buy a book on the cost of 50€ for using it 2 months of my life for a specific exam. Yes i could lend it from a library and that's the way i go for now, but a lot of texts aren't available, not for speaking of manuals regarding things like digital art or photography, in which i'm involved but that are impossible to get in italian libraries near where i live.
I think th PQi is a good compromise on that since in the transreflective mode on indoor good lightining conditions i could get good non-eye-tiring reading. (Am i right?)
And i don't really mind a sharp display or with intense colors since i would use it for surfing the web, reading news, socials, mails, and leave to my laptop the multimedia things.
Actually i'm almost convinced that it will be a good choice for my pourpose.
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I look at an LCD all day long, It doesn't bother me.
The Kindle can zoom on a PDF but it's limited and frustrating. Like I said, turn page, read, turn page, read, that's what it's good for.
I don't think the PQi display is right for me, but it may be for you. I think the only way to really find out is to try it.
zanzabros said:
I would read pdf scans and that is a thing u can't do with a kindle3 because as i've read it is not possible to zoom if i am right...
My concerns are only about studying sessions on backlitted displays, i don't want an exploding headache after 4 hours reading on an LCD.
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If you want to use the device fir a paper replacement while studying, you definitely need a tablet instead of an ereader.
Speed (searching and page turning) and possibility to annotate make a tablet a very good paper replacement.
Transflective display means you can use the tablet under more circumstances (especially in Italy where you DO have sun ;-D).
Re eye strain I tend to agree with tpok. LCD is not too bad on the eyes
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Up Close and Personal With the Pixel Qi Display
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/01/the-pixel-qi-display/
QI looks great the brighter the sun shines
Hi!
With Kindle-reading-mode ADAM's QI display looks very crisp, while you're reading in bright sun.
Compared to the iPad the LCD-Mode inside is not that good, but this is definitely better if you turn off the automatic-light-dimming. I use ADAM at 80% of it's available Backlight-power, then inside, sometimes it's already too bright for me.
QI is way better than iPad for outside-usability!! Also in the shaded areas iPad suffers already any contrast where ADAM looks much more crisp, but already without any regardable colour. In the sun, where I want to use a tablet-PC very often, there is nothing compareable, it's very nice to see and with "Kindle"-Mode books are very good to read, they weight of ADAM is not more than a big paperback and with it's curved edge it's good to hold. I wish the rubberized surface of the batterie-cover would be allover ADAM's backside, this would increase the good handling of ADAM.
I'm waiting for a solution to fix it to my bike, so there will be an readable(!) navigation for exploring "the wilderness" with my bike by using GPS-tracks
With honeycomb I think ADAM's lack of performance in some apps will be history...
best regards, Stefan
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Hi!
I'm waiting for a solution to fix it to my bike, so there will be an readable(!) navigation for exploring "the wilderness" with my bike by using GPS-tracks
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Man that's crazy! and if u fall say goodbye to ur adam!
I use my desire for music and MyTracks for GPS Stats by i put it in a safe place in my backpack
Good e-reader
zanzabros said:
Hello everybody,
I would like know opinions from users about Adam as an e-book reader.
I've seen all the videos in the archive about that, and i've seen that the screen looks pretty poor as an ereader vs a true e-paper, so my question is:
I would use it for academic books in pdf or djvu that i need for my university exams and academic papers.
considering that Adam is a tablet and can do a lot more than an ebook reader, i could be satisfied with a poor e-reading experience,
so i would like to know from whom of u who already owns it if u would suggest it or not for my pourpose.
In other words, if i have to spend about 400 € for good ereader, but i can have an adam for 500 € considering that i would use it for a lot more thing than studying, if the pixel qi technology is quite satisfieing i would chose an adam..
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I'm using the plain LCD model with a Skinomi screen protector (get rid of the matte protector it distorts) with FBReader and like it. My partner likes me reading in bed with night mode. I've used Kindle and Kobo and it isn't straightforward comparing them. Without going into great detail, I buy books from Amazon and get to read books as e-pubs on these devices. The Kobo is light and book-like, but the Adam is different ... I can read while I listen to digital radio (TuneIn) or music (3 by Fillipe Abrantes is a great player) via BT Jabra stereo headset. I need two devices if I try this with a Kobo or Kindle ... My N1 plus Kobo. As I stated earlier, the comparison is not straightforward .... In short, I am happy, and I am hard to please!
How are those Skinomi screen protectors?
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How are those Skinomi screen protectors?
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Wondering about that too, because the original one really sucks :-D Removed it within the first 24 hours of application..
I wanted to bring some pictures I took last night to the forum. As a Xoom owner (now former, just took it back) and in anticipation of the Transformer's release, I scoured the internet over the past few weeks in search of some good comparison pictures between the Xoom's LCD and the Transformer's IPS LCD. At the time, there were not a ton of photos comparing these two specific devices.
I decided to setup my tripod and try to capture the viewing angle differences of these two displays while I still had both devices in my possession. Both devices were at 100% brightness, and I let the camera choose the shutter speed (aperture priority - Nikon D200). Some of the shutter speeds selected made the overall image darker, but it still gives a good idea of the color and contrast differences between the two displays (in addition to viewing angle differences). My goal wasn't to compare brightness - both devices are more or less on par in that area.
If anyone was on the fence regarding the two devices, maybe these images will offer better insight into one of the most important aspects of a tablet - the display. The price gap is big enough, and the screen technology is different enough (all in favor of the Transformer), that someone being on the fence regarding these two devices is hard for me to imagine. You never know though.
You can view the flickr stream here. (25 total images)
The flickr stream description mentions this - but I'll mention it here too: The Xoom is on the LEFT or the TOP, and the Transformer is on the RIGHT or the BOTTOM in the pictures.
I hope someone finds these pictures interesting.
I have attached one of them here.
Wow....look at that difference. Are you able to do the Asus vs the Acer? Or anyone able to?
couple of the pics xoom is better (or you can say brighter), but the most is to Transformer.
I don't like the strong brightness on the xoom specially in the reading part. I like feel it will hurt my eyes after while of reading. On the other hand, smooth colors in the Transformer, and easy on the eye.
Thanks for showing us the differences.
Thank you for taking the time and posting this.
Not as dramatic a difference as I expected (colors wash out, but things are still legible, unlike the gTab), but the Transformer still wins, especially with the price difference.
Thank you for taking your time and posting the pictures.
The xoom looks a little overexposed, but kind of I thought there would be more different. Seeing them side by side I think the xoom, not having a IPS screen, has a very nice one (compared to others I have seen in other tablets).
Regards.
Yeah, good job!
The transformer is a clear winner here.
Thanks for posting it. This should make it little easier to convince a couple of friends who are on the fence (iPADers!).
x2 on the Xoom versus Transformer - that picture is very accurate.
The Xoom also has a bluish tint that bugs me (common TFT issue, I believe). The Transformer IPS screen color balance is better, imo.
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Wow....look at that difference. Are you able to do the Asus vs the Acer? Or anyone able to?
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Unfortunately, I do not have access to the Acer. Sorry!
Wow, I was debating between a few tablets, by with the support the transformer is getting here on xda, and seeing these pictures, I'm pretty much sold on waiting for the transformer
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Not as dramatic a difference as I expected (colors wash out, but things are still legible, unlike the gTab), but the Transformer still wins, especially with the price difference.
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You are right ... it is not terrible - and to be honest, I probably could have continued to use the Xoom and been perfectly happy. The price difference played a pretty big role and contributed a lot to wanting to switch to the Transformer. I suspect that there would have always been a thought in the back of my mind bugging me about how the Xoom's screen "could have been better."
Overall, I love the difference in the screen though - it has certainly helped me in a number of practical ways where I was previously disappointed with the Xoom's screen performance in regards to viewing angles and color. Specifically while the Xoom was sitting flat on my desk at work - things were hard(er) to read due to the wash out and loss of contrast at the angle I was viewing it at.
There is another Xoom screen artifact to mention here too. If anyone has ever seen a Xoom's screen when portrait mode, then maybe you have noticed. You could see horizontal lines in the actual panel itself for every row of pixels - most noticeably on a white background. I've read other reviews stating the same thing. I have a friend at work who also noticed the same thing on his Xoom. It wasn't noticeable when in landscape orientation. It was easy to overlook though and not a deal breaking issue for me. The Transformer's IPS LCD does NOT do this.
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Wow....look at that difference. Are you able to do the Asus vs the Acer? Or anyone able to?
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I don't have pictures but I compared the Acer to my NC yesterday, also an IPS screen, and I can say with certainty that I saw really comparable results to the Xoom v Asus comparison. Even dead on, Acer had slightly washed colors when compared to an IPS screen and at angles > 45... well it was pretty hopeless for the Acer while the NC was perfectly visible and vibrate.
Regardless to say, Acer went back to BB last night and waiting for my Asus to come in tomorrow.
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I wanted to bring some pictures I took last night to the forum. As a Xoom owner (now former, just took it back) and in anticipation of the Transformer's release, I scoured the internet over the past few weeks in search of some good comparison pictures between the Xoom's LCD and the Transformer's IPS LCD. At the time, there were not a ton of photos comparing these two specific devices.
I decided to setup my tripod and try to capture the viewing angle differences of these two displays while I still had both devices in my possession. Both devices were at 100% brightness, and I let the camera choose the shutter speed (aperture priority - Nikon D200). Some of the shutter speeds selected made the overall image darker, but it still gives a good idea of the color and contrast differences between the two displays (in addition to viewing angle differences). My goal wasn't to compare brightness - both devices are more or less on par in that area.
If anyone was on the fence regarding the two devices, maybe these images will offer better insight into one of the most important aspects of a tablet - the display. The price gap is big enough, and the screen technology is different enough (all in favor of the Transformer), that someone being on the fence regarding these two devices is hard for me to imagine. You never know though.
You can view the flickr stream here. (25 total images)
The flickr stream description mentions this - but I'll mention it here too: The Xoom is on the LEFT or the TOP, and the Transformer is on the RIGHT or the BOTTOM in the pictures.
I hope someone finds these pictures interesting.
I have attached one of them here.
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For anyone interested in reading some more "general thoughts" between the two screens, I have finally published the blog post that I started the night I posted these pictures.
http://dustinwilkins.com/2011/05/03/it-is-all-about-the-screen-transformer-vs-xoom/
thanks alot
dustindw said:
For anyone interested in reading some more "general thoughts" between the two screens, I have finally published the blog post that I started the night I posted these pictures.
http://dustinwilkins.com/2011/05/03/it-is-all-about-the-screen-transformer-vs-xoom/
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Music? Did you say music? Now I must know.... is your ID the same on last.fm, because anyone who listens to Shearwater and The National gets a thumbs up from me!
this post makes me feel so much better about buying the transformer having cancelled the Xoom, as pc world delayed me. I saved 100 pounds too! well 50 including the dock im still waiting on...
I have had my xoom for almost 3 weeks now and have no problem with how my screen looks from any viewing angle cuz the main angle I'm looking at is right in front of me. That's how all these devices are designed to be looked at. Not like a tv from various different angles. so I don't even understand why people complain about how a screen looks from a different angle. If its really that important to u plug it up to your tv via hdmi. Then see if u can still complain. I love my xoom. Yeah the price is a lil steep. But I work with electronics and if there's 1 I've learned in 12 years its you get what you pay for. Wanna cheap price. More then likely you'll have a cheaply made product
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Well, I think you don't truly appreciate viewing angles until you have a tablet that excels at them.
And this is important for those of us with kids that love fingerpainting or playing Angry Birds with you! I love how they are now able to sit next to me comfortably and not have to peer right at the screen to get the viewing angle just right.
I am debating on whether to buy a NST to read manga on but before I do buy it I wanted to know if mangas look good on it. There are a few ways to view them like converting the manga with Calibre or using Mango (PocketManga). I was wondering if the text is legible or do you need to bring the tablet right near your eye to see anything? Please let me know how what manga experience you have on the NST if any at all.
I have several manga with each page in jpg format, and using a free tool I found I was easily able to convert each manga into a single epub file that can be used with the nook WITHOUT even rooting, using the stock reader.
There is no zooming in the stock reader, but I've found I don't really need it at all. Text is perfectly legible and I don't need to hold it up to my face and squint. Then again I do have excellent vision.
http://mangatoepub.codeplex.com/
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I have several manga with each page in jpg format, and using a free tool I found I was easily able to convert each manga into a single epub file that can be used with the nook WITHOUT even rooting, using the stock reader.
There is no zooming in the stock reader, but I've found I don't really need it at all. Text is perfectly legible and I don't need to hold it up to my face and squint. Then again I do have excellent vision.
http://mangatoepub.codeplex.com/
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Thanks, that is reassuring, I will probably buy it now.
I have PocketManga, the downloading for offline reading and all works like it should. Reading the manga requires you to scroll up and down the page because it doesn't fit the screen which is annoying. And it doesn't look THAT great, but passable.
With the NoRefreshToggle app the scrolling goes better, but then it looks very bad because it has no grayscale then, just "black" and white.
The text is very readable, even if it's small. And you need at least a little night lamp with a 7W compact fluorescent lamp or 30W regular.
Perfect viewer is also very good, you generally don't need to scroll with it
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I have PocketManga, the downloading for offline reading and all works like it should. Reading the manga requires you to scroll up and down the page because it doesn't fit the screen which is annoying. And it doesn't look THAT great, but passable.
With the NoRefreshToggle app the scrolling goes better, but then it looks very bad because it has no grayscale then, just "black" and white.
The text is very readable, even if it's small. And you need at least a little night lamp with a 7W compact fluorescent lamp or 30W regular.
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Doesn't PocketManga let you fit to height?
UnidH4x0r said:
Doesn't PocketManga let you fit to height?
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Doesn't look like it. If anyone knows how, do tell.
AStove said:
With the NoRefreshToggle app the scrolling goes better, but then it looks very bad because it has no grayscale then, just "black" and white.
The text is very readable, even if it's small. And you need at least a little night lamp with a 7W compact fluorescent lamp or 30W regular.
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Hmm norefresh takes away greyscale? That is a deal breaker. I'm sure if we looked around we could easily find an app, or configure an app to scroll with the hardware buttons. The nook's screen is big enough though that you don't really need to fit width; fitting by height is fine anyway.
Oh, and I have the nook simple touch glowlight. If you're going to get a nook, get that one; it's pretty insane that they didn't have a backlight to begin with. Probably a marketing ploy. I mean, I haven't seen a screen without a backlight since the gameboy advanced...
The glowworm does not have a backlight, and neither do any of the e-ink Kindles nor any other e-ink device that's currently being sold, as far as I know.
The glowworm has a bank of lights under the top bezel that shine down, and those are well implemented.
The only prior self-illuminated e-ink screen was in a Sony from a couple of years ago, and people hated it - the illumination was very uneven and the battery drain was apparently fierce.
You actually can't have a backlight on an eink screen, since the screen is opaque. This is part of why Amazon recently bought a company that manufactures ribbon lighting, so the next generation of eink kindles will also have onboard illumination.
The Mirasol technology displays are interesting - they are somewhat like e-ink in that they are highly readable in full light, but they are backlit for indoor reading. The battery life on that technology is better than on LCD screens but not as good as on e-ink, and the first reader using one commercially was released in Korea last year to generally mixed reviews. (These are color displays, but the colors are nowhere near as rich as on an LCD and refresh rate is also not yet up to par.)
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The glowworm does not have a backlight, and neither do any of the e-ink Kindles nor any other e-ink device that's currently being sold, as far as I know.
The glowworm has a bank of lights under the top bezel that shine down, and those are well implemented.
The only prior self-illuminated e-ink screen was in a Sony from a couple of years ago, and people hated it - the illumination was very uneven and the battery drain was apparently fierce.
You actually can't have a backlight on an eink screen, since the screen is opaque. This is part of why Amazon recently bought a company that manufactures ribbon lighting, so the next generation of eink kindles will also have onboard illumination.
The Mirasol technology displays are interesting - they are somewhat like e-ink in that they are highly readable in full light, but they are backlit for indoor reading. The battery life on that technology is better than on LCD screens but not as good as on e-ink, and the first reader using one commercially was released in Korea last year to generally mixed reviews. (These are color displays, but the colors are nowhere near as rich as on an LCD and refresh rate is also not yet up to par.)
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Well that explains why the technology wasn't implemented sooner; nonetheless, I was never really interested enough in an eink display to actually make the purchase until I saw the nook simple touch glowlight.
I've always thought eink was an interesting concept, but I could never justify investing in an electronic device with a screen that could not be seen in the dark (or even just in poor light); but I will say that the 1-2 month battery life was probably my biggest interest in purchasing this.
Does anyone know how to access kissmanga. I can't access it anymore.
carolineparker said:
Does anyone know how to access kissmanga. I can't access it anymore.
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There are two sites with nearly identical names... The one you seem to mean is .org and is unreachable with Opera Mobile. The other one, which has an "s" at the end of the name and is a .com can be reached using Opera Mobile.
Both sites can be reached with Opera Mini although I didn't try to access any material.
As for the first site and Opera Mobile, it uses a Cloudflare certificate for authentication and there is no Cloudflare certificate in our cacerts.bks. The second certificate it uses we do have. But...the last time I tried to add in a Cloudflare certificate it made no difference for the site someone was asking about. It may simply be that the page (which is crowded with stuff) is just too much for Opera Mobile to handle. If you want to try adding in the Cloudflare certificate, see https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/nst-g-how-to-managing-cacerts-bks.4197451/